Rambling Thoughts
8 years ago
General
So how many of my followers are female/identify as female? Of those, how many of you see the ever present comments/jokes/memes etc with the term "Ewww Boobs" or "Ewww Vagina" (telegram, skype, wherever). Now of those, does it bother you? Are you so used to seeing it you don't care? Do you think its funny? If your a male or identify as a male, what are your thoughts on this? I ask because I am very much curious.
Now what brought this up? One of the telegram groups I'm in had this come up. And the backlash both ways was very very strong. Now so for myself, I am female, I identify as female. I do NOT consider myself feminine though. I am a tom-boy through and through. I am also pansexual, so gender doesn't play a role in who I'm attracted to. So not that I got that all laid out, my thoughts on this subject. Now there is nothing changing the fact that I have lady bits. I have boobs, shocker. I don't want to change that part about me. These are things that are attached to me. Same goes for the lower lady bits. I have them. It's there.
Here is where I have my issue with the phrase/meme/statement/ what the hell ever, "Ewww *insert body part here*" with or without a disgusted furry attached to it. When I hear this, you are calling me disgusting. When it implies to me is that I am someone defective to whoever is making this statement. That I am some sort of weird thing that they would rather not deal with. And I do not accept the excuse of, "Oh well I'm gay." That's fine, more power to you! I get it, you are a dude that likes other dudes, fantastic for you. That already tells me your not interested in lady bits. Also fine! I'm not saying you need to like them. BUT I still do expect some level of respect. If I respect your choices and lifestyle, then same should go the other way around. If you do not like seeing that type of deal in furry porn and such, you can do one of two things, ignore it and scroll past, or if you are THAT uncomfortable with it, leave that chat. There are a ton of em at this point. And a lot that are exclusively gay/lesbian FOR the reason of people feeling not welcome/uncomfortable with one subject or another.
When you're in a mix 18+ chat, I don't think its appropriate to post things of that nature. Because yes, it does make females uncomfortable at times. With me, I'm so used to seeing it I don't respond. I roll my eyes and ignore it. But last night I saw, well, that not everyone is. And I'm kinda happy for that.
The backlash though for simply saying, "hey, that's offensive to women." was astounding. Not all mind you. But the amount calling the few bringing it up, "Oversensitive" "It's just a joke, get over it." etc was kinda...disheartening? Though I also feel that way when I see comments of the like on straight or lesbian porn, when people make those comments on just female characters in general. I understand not everyone likes chicks, that's fine, but do you really have to shove it at us every turn? I see it so much that I'm jaded to it. Hell I get that comment from friends and while I still cringe, I don't fight it because I don't want to fight people on it because I'm tired of that fight.
Someone made the comparison, "Well have you ever played CAH?" Here is where we talk about a few issues with that. When you play a game like CAH with friends, you KNOW what you're getting into. You are with friends. You know their intentions, hopefully. The jokes on the cards are not directed at you. Versus having someone you don't know in a chat or online, spewing this, what are you suppose to think? You don't know their intention. You don't know them. All you see is someone calling a body part that you have gross/disgusting. And you see a whole bunch of people laughing and agreeing with it. Yes it hurts/annoys/bothers you. At least for me it does. I'm self conscious as it is, that doesn't help at all.
Then came the lovely, "Oh we got some SJW's over here. And man haters to boot"
First off, as soon as you make that statement you lose ALL validity to me. Second off, how is asking someone to not make rude comments man hating? I didn't know the gender of who posted the damn thing, nor did anyone attack "men" as a whole. No one said, "Well your a man and your dick is weird and gross. You're only saying this cause your compensating for something..." or anything like that! And if someone had, I would have said the exact same thing to them!
And I'm fine with jokes. I fine with stupid memes. I'm fine with all that. And the others who were hurt by this, I joke with them all the time! But making someone uncomfortable. That's not a joke. Calling someone over sensitive for giving a logical argument? Not a joke. Does this mean you can't joke around? No. But consider the who, what, and where your saying this. BE FUCKING CONSIDERATE!
In summary, I can be a "horrid" person. But I know when to be like that. I know who I can make "sketchy jokes" around. And if they don't like something I say, I encourage people to TELL ME so I know why and to make sure I correct it. Online, you don't know how someone has been hurt. How they think. What they feel. There's no reason to take away their validity. And just because you may not agree, doesn't mean you should keep doing the thing your doing. Put yourself in the other persons place. Put yourself in a place where you were called disgusting, where a part of you was called gross for...no reason. Just keep that in mind. Both sides, male and female. Granted it's been rare where I've seen it the other way around, but yes. If your not interested/don't wanna look? Look away or find another chat.
Just rambling dragon thoughts, I wanted to spew this out somewhere just cause mostly.
Now what brought this up? One of the telegram groups I'm in had this come up. And the backlash both ways was very very strong. Now so for myself, I am female, I identify as female. I do NOT consider myself feminine though. I am a tom-boy through and through. I am also pansexual, so gender doesn't play a role in who I'm attracted to. So not that I got that all laid out, my thoughts on this subject. Now there is nothing changing the fact that I have lady bits. I have boobs, shocker. I don't want to change that part about me. These are things that are attached to me. Same goes for the lower lady bits. I have them. It's there.
Here is where I have my issue with the phrase/meme/statement/ what the hell ever, "Ewww *insert body part here*" with or without a disgusted furry attached to it. When I hear this, you are calling me disgusting. When it implies to me is that I am someone defective to whoever is making this statement. That I am some sort of weird thing that they would rather not deal with. And I do not accept the excuse of, "Oh well I'm gay." That's fine, more power to you! I get it, you are a dude that likes other dudes, fantastic for you. That already tells me your not interested in lady bits. Also fine! I'm not saying you need to like them. BUT I still do expect some level of respect. If I respect your choices and lifestyle, then same should go the other way around. If you do not like seeing that type of deal in furry porn and such, you can do one of two things, ignore it and scroll past, or if you are THAT uncomfortable with it, leave that chat. There are a ton of em at this point. And a lot that are exclusively gay/lesbian FOR the reason of people feeling not welcome/uncomfortable with one subject or another.
When you're in a mix 18+ chat, I don't think its appropriate to post things of that nature. Because yes, it does make females uncomfortable at times. With me, I'm so used to seeing it I don't respond. I roll my eyes and ignore it. But last night I saw, well, that not everyone is. And I'm kinda happy for that.
The backlash though for simply saying, "hey, that's offensive to women." was astounding. Not all mind you. But the amount calling the few bringing it up, "Oversensitive" "It's just a joke, get over it." etc was kinda...disheartening? Though I also feel that way when I see comments of the like on straight or lesbian porn, when people make those comments on just female characters in general. I understand not everyone likes chicks, that's fine, but do you really have to shove it at us every turn? I see it so much that I'm jaded to it. Hell I get that comment from friends and while I still cringe, I don't fight it because I don't want to fight people on it because I'm tired of that fight.
Someone made the comparison, "Well have you ever played CAH?" Here is where we talk about a few issues with that. When you play a game like CAH with friends, you KNOW what you're getting into. You are with friends. You know their intentions, hopefully. The jokes on the cards are not directed at you. Versus having someone you don't know in a chat or online, spewing this, what are you suppose to think? You don't know their intention. You don't know them. All you see is someone calling a body part that you have gross/disgusting. And you see a whole bunch of people laughing and agreeing with it. Yes it hurts/annoys/bothers you. At least for me it does. I'm self conscious as it is, that doesn't help at all.
Then came the lovely, "Oh we got some SJW's over here. And man haters to boot"
First off, as soon as you make that statement you lose ALL validity to me. Second off, how is asking someone to not make rude comments man hating? I didn't know the gender of who posted the damn thing, nor did anyone attack "men" as a whole. No one said, "Well your a man and your dick is weird and gross. You're only saying this cause your compensating for something..." or anything like that! And if someone had, I would have said the exact same thing to them!
And I'm fine with jokes. I fine with stupid memes. I'm fine with all that. And the others who were hurt by this, I joke with them all the time! But making someone uncomfortable. That's not a joke. Calling someone over sensitive for giving a logical argument? Not a joke. Does this mean you can't joke around? No. But consider the who, what, and where your saying this. BE FUCKING CONSIDERATE!
In summary, I can be a "horrid" person. But I know when to be like that. I know who I can make "sketchy jokes" around. And if they don't like something I say, I encourage people to TELL ME so I know why and to make sure I correct it. Online, you don't know how someone has been hurt. How they think. What they feel. There's no reason to take away their validity. And just because you may not agree, doesn't mean you should keep doing the thing your doing. Put yourself in the other persons place. Put yourself in a place where you were called disgusting, where a part of you was called gross for...no reason. Just keep that in mind. Both sides, male and female. Granted it's been rare where I've seen it the other way around, but yes. If your not interested/don't wanna look? Look away or find another chat.
Just rambling dragon thoughts, I wanted to spew this out somewhere just cause mostly.
Gintasa
~gintasa
Hear hear. >.> Caring what other people think isn't being an SJW. It's BEING A DECENT HUMAN BEING.
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