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Just letting out exasperation after witnessing a PR debacle.

ctrl-z?

What.

no you shuush

This certain "undo" has good content, its a shame his views are... well... well say radical for lack of a word i can think of

I find him extremely hypocritical yet I relate to him immensely. When you look at the things he does and how different they are from the things he says... It's sad. When I first started as Cuisine, I was a kid and I was within the same misconceptions. It does sadden me to see he's still riddled with these pointless ideas, yet he provides the most amazing thing for those he claims to be lesser than himself.

He's very talented and now swfchan is using these shortcomings as ammunition to shit on the guy.

i gotta agree fully, hes super talented, hate to see him go down such a dark path

Hmmm... I'm sorry, and I know this is gonna come off as completely like some rando asshole stepping in and playing amateur mentalist here, talking out my ass about stuff I don't know anything about, and it's not really my place, or my business, but I kinda feel like I gotta say it. From an outsider's POV, I think you're the one in the wrong here.

You seem like a very considerate and kind person, I should say right away, cuz I don't mean to offend you... but I know people like you, with similarly kind personalities IRL, who unfortunately, have the best of intentions, but actually make things 10x worse when they try to help. Now, I don't know you, and I don't know Ctrl-Z... but you two seemed like friends, and this is coming from the view of an outsider, who saw you two as friends, but maybe you weren't, and if that's the case, this whole thing will be based on something that wasn't true, so you can ignore it lol.

Nobody seems to be thinking of this from Ctrl-Z's POV, because they're too busy being offended over his really rather innocuous comment in the game... I mentioned down below, but think of how it would feel, if you poured your effort into something, a passion project, for 6 months, on your own time, for free, and you finally, with excitement, post it up... only to suddenly be absolutely RAINED on with insults, and personal attacks on yourself, and your work, because of a really rather MILDLY rude insinuation in your disclaimer, that you probably didn't even think twice about. And on top of that, for the game to not really get much excitement after you post it, even receiving some negative criticism that actually seems thought out... and then, not even *2 days* later, it gets taken down, and your account is suspended.

Ctrl-Z seems to have an aloof and kinda volatile personality already, so being attacked like this, being called some pretty horrible names, being told to kill yourself (he even mentioned, dunno if it was sarcasm or not, having taken medication to get over suicidal thoughts, making the suicide comment especially disgusting), and having your work insulted, really, is not gonna garner a good reaction at all... and I'm sure, he was extremely emotionally vulnerable at that point, having his 6 month passion project shit on, and having himself be attacked for one bad comment. The people attacking him, ironically enough, ARE proving to be degenerates, not because they're gay, or trans, but because I don't know what kind of person tells another to kill themselves over one rude comment.

So, being in this hurt, and angry, and extremely vulnerable state, lashing out at people who are calling him faggot, because they know he is adamant about being straight, and are purposely trying to infuriate him, is having nobody come to his aid... and then you, his friend (again, my complete assumption; I don't know either of you, this is just the impression I get when it comes to you two, and I'm fully capable of being wrong about you two being friends), comes along to the comments... and instead of having his back, against the complete disgusting behavior of the attackers, you do the EXACT wrong thing.

You tell him to control himself (he was defending himself, not attacking, every bad thing he said in this case, was in response to someone else's complete malice), then, on top of that, you imply that the reason he made those games, is because he himself might be closeted trans or gay, and tell him to 'regain' his sense of 'self-honesty', and that 'we' would be happy to pay you for his games, but to be HONEST in what he likes DOING and SEEING.

In one fell swoop, you did 3 things, from his perspective. One, you reacted to his defensive insults, and not the disgusting malevolence being hurled at him. By doing this, you, in his mind, just aligned yourself, with the same group of people calling for his suicide, and hurling insults at him. Two, you heavily imply that you think he's a closeted gay or transsexual, and that's the 'real' reason he kept making his games... Ctrl-Z seems very confident in his sexuality, at least to me, so having you, his friend, telling him that he's gay or trans and just isn't being honest with himself, was, to him, from his perspective, like sticking a knife in his back, AND incredibly condescending on top of that, like you know him better than he knows himself. Again, lots of the people hurling insults at him, were implying the same thing to him, that you just implied to him, further putting you, in his mind, on the 'bad guy' side.

Three, further with the condescending tone (maybe you weren't trying to be, but it very much came across that way), you imply that he isn't being honest with himself, even telling him to REGAIN his sense of self honesty. You basically just told him, he's a liar. And that he lies to himself. About being gay or trans... when he seems pretty damn secure in his straightness, and further tell him to be honest in what he likes doing and seeing. I don't know what you mean by 'doing' but it seems to further imply that you think he likes doing gay things...? And watching gay things? I don't think he does, and what you just did by acting like you, and by extension, the people insulting him, KNOW that he's a closeted gay or transsexual, when he thinks it's very clear he isn't, just showed that his supposed 'friend' doesn't actually know him at ALL.

Put all three of those together, and I'll paint a picture of what you look like from his perspective; You, someone who is a friend, not only didn't defend him when he needed someone on his side, but you actively put yourself on the side of the people flooding him with malevolence. Then, in a very condescending way, you implied you think he's gay or trans, and not being truthful to himself about his own games. And then you take his name off your page, off your journal header, and even pettily remove his works from your favorites, and I can only assume unwatched him too. From his emotionally vulnerable perspective, you not only didn't come to his defense or support him in any way, you stabbed him in the back in the worst way, and by your comments, showed him that you really didn't know him well at all, and the coup de grace, you wipe him from your page, like he wasn't anything.

Now, again, I do not know you, or him, or how close you really were, but from an outsider's view, I always thought you two were buddies... and again, I reiterate, you seem like a very kind hearted and understanding person, very friendly, and I think you're pretty cool! However, in this case, I think, in your attempt to help him, you inadvertently made things way worse, and didn't even realize it. If he raged at you in private, I'm sure it was in response to that comment you made on swfchan, and that if that's the reason you've 'erased him', then I think you should try to see it from his perspective instead of taking what he says in his state of anger and emotional pain personally. I think you meant well, but didn't execute your intentions well.

Of course, this is me making gigantic assumptions, and if you two actually weren't buddies, then everything I wrote above is completely garbage, and should be disregarded, and I apologize for making such grand assumptions about you two. I just feel really bad for him, and seeing that you've apparently abandoned him kind of rubbed me the wrong way. No offense to you.

First of all I appreciate all of this. I can definitely see your intentions of genuine criticism. This is very well thought out, and you've gone out of your way to come off completely respectable with that very descriptive disclaimer. Thank you for informing me of your outsider's POV. That being said, I think both of us end up overlooking some details to make our cases here.

I am not offended in any way whatsoever, and I find myself to be more resistant than that. I've been in Ctrl's shoes at one point when I uploaded Sonic XX (at a time where we weren't so used to see female Sonic on the internet) and watch the reactions unfold. In Sonic XX, I also had a line of text that could be interpreted as defamatory: Something about Sonic turning into a girl meaning it's obvious that she cannot fight anymore. Although my intention was never to insult women (but, still, I was really young and it IS hard to rewind my brain to get into the mindset again, so it is possible that I saw women as frailer and weaker), I accepted my wrongdoing. I've been low-key faced about it a couple times, and I immediately recognized it as my fault for badly wording what I really wanted to interpret. You cannot find any drama about it on the internet now because... well... I owned up to the notion that we can say bad things even if we aren't initially aware of that we did.

Of course I am aware that the situations aren't one to one. I did have Sonic XX taken off of another website, but it wasn't about one line of text. I still don't believe I would throw this kind of a hissy-fit if that situation paralleled this one better. Like you yourself said, it's 6 months worth of work and it was taken out for one line of text. One line of text: That he could just change on a whim anyway. And he did, but to be further petty about the whole thing where a simple "Sorry" would negate any and all of this backlash. Sure, the whole "weird degenerations" thing might all probably be a joke and not an accurate portrayal of what he really thinks of transgenders. It didn't make anyone laugh, thus, it did not have any place on the cover of a content, which is chockful of bimbofied and otherwise male characters. The primary demography for this kind of thing attracts those he ultimately chose to insult, in the best case, as a pointless joke.

The criticism and backlash will always plague what Ctrl+Z and I do. I always go out and hunt for comments that react to my stuff outside the FA circle to see the worst of the worst. That's one of my hobbies, we have to be a little thick-skinned about this. And honestly, I find it easy to be thick-skinned, because I know a lot of people in fact LOVE the stuff I'm doing. Even "kys" comments made to me has little weight due to this because I can see that I am missed whenever I end up taking an unexpected hiatus. That is the case for him too, although...

We haven't been close friends, and that's really my fault. I don't have any close friends from FurAffinity (save for a couple) and it's because simply I don't want my art career to converge with my smut life (at least until I know it won't affect my real life anymore, because otherwise I really don't think I have to be shameful doing any of these). If I have been more close friends with him, where our private conversations would've extended to anything beyond a couple notes, I would definitely take all this privately. I also was in this dead end where I wasn't sure if I should've taken a more private approach or openly say all these -- and honestly, from what I've observed, the effect of either one varies from person to person. I COULD carry all these to private notes between him and me, but they could very well take it even more dictating, condescending, and insulting. Not everyone takes interventions well. Even if I ended up standing on the other end of this whole drama, you should be aware that my point never is to shun him or paint him as the bad guy. I want him to do better. And, well, I sure as shit cannot be quiet about this, because...

I've learned it a long time ago here that having talent and a drive to do a specific kind of thing comes with its own set responsibilities. I am not one to be excused by any critics or observers, just because I put effort in what I'm doing and they aren't while critiquing it. Sure, from an outsider's point of view, all I've been doing might be drawing tits and ass. Not to hold myself on a pedestal or anything but, I believe fetishes and sexual concepts are beyond "just smut". When you're doing something as specific as what I'm doing, you should really be observant about what people say about it. It's different, it's specific, and when newcomers come to put their two cents about how "they never expected to like this sort of thing" but they ended up really liking it -- This comment has a weight to it. It shows that in our straight-mandated culture, the straightest people can end up liking anything beyond the far edge of this sexual spectrum. It makes people realize that we all are, in some way, fluid; even if we are still straight. And before anyone tells me that I say this all to be self-important -- I don't assume it my duty to reawaken the sexualities of people by drawing Sonic with boobs. I draw what I like, I like this shit for a reason that I still am not 100% sure why, and I am happy to see that I am not the only one. I'm fairly sure this is exactly the case for Ctrl+Z.

And this is why I implied that he's anything else but far straight like he claimed to be on swfchan. I didn't mean he was gay, I didn't mean he was transsexual. But if you're willingly doing all these for 3 straight games and share so many different artworks of it; lovingly crafting the most sensual scenery applicable to make otherwise male characters be as OUTRIGHT womanly as possible: You should really be honest to yourself about the fact that your sexuality is FLUID and VAGUE at the very least. The labels they use on swfchan just to bracket-insult one another are meaningless, because sexuality labels are in a way meaningless. Just because you like pussies and not cocks, it doesn't mean you have any queer tendencies -- and even if you have queer tendencies, that doesn't carry you to the other end of this spectrum. All in all, Ctrl+Z's continuous comments regarding that he sits above all others because he's still straight, is just completely dishonest and hypocritical. I don't mean to say I know his sexuality better than himself, but even the most clueless person could point out that he's contradicting himself just to allow himself to shit on people who aren't that different to himself in the first place.

I took Ctrl+Z out of my list of artists to promote because I was disappointed, because simply he's a content creator. It is hard for me to promote someone who can't take criticism about being defamatory about a group of people riddled with disgusting double-standards every day. Like I said previously, even providing "just smut" comes with responsibilities and that means I expect some standards from some people. Do take it condescending if you may, but I am aware that by my own I am in no place of power to begin with. All my views are still personal. My comment on swfchan was made to be as appreciative as possible. The three-hit combo you refer to, are not insulting to me: They're my signs of utmost sincerity. You rise above the defamatory comments by prioritizing the people that tell you that you're on the right track, and take their more relevant criticism to make yourself better. You rise above insulting people of LGBT communities by simply being aware of the fact that you yourself are lovingly crafting pieces of art that interest them more than anyone else. You rise above that an artist that you happen to like ends up openly confronting you, by seeing that they do it out of good will.

I don't want to erase him out of anything: his work is tremendous and I want him to do more. It inspires me and I wanna do something better: not out of jealousy or contempt, but out of pure love, inspiration and appreciation. At this rate he's going, I simply don't want to promote him. He accuses LGBT communities for being sensitive and he believes that gives him ammunition to demean them, and that doesn't sit well with me. The reason for that is that LGBT communities ARE and JUSTIFIED to be sensitive. A lot of people of LGBT realize their situation when they're young, and this fact enables others to exploit or abuse them. They are hectic, they are "crybabies" but it's because they experience family, peer, authority abuse from any place they go to. They come to our content to be more in tune with themselves when the rest of the world do not allow them too, and the last thing they should read on that content is a piece of shit text that says they are degenerates. I was willing to take that comment as an off-color edgy sarcasm, but his last lashing out and him pulling the "freedom of speech" card spells out a different case.

I care this much and type this much because I want him to do better and understand all this better. Not because I'm trying to fight him.

EDIT: Only yesterday I realized that he had suicidal tendencies, while reading that very comment on swfchan. My heart is always with him. I will not go out my way to say that I have any solutions to those-- but by saying all these, I only mean to help.

I don't know whats happening but :/ but good people sure go to a sad path

I hate his personality but love his content. The problem is that he thinks that his work is the best that have ever existed and even goes as far as deleting comments containing criticism. And his view on futa/herm really annoys me.
Could you explain what happend?

Gotta contradict ya there, I've never seen him erase legit criticism. I left a gigantic review, that was mostly negative, and he kept it up on his submission, before it was taken down from FA, and even seemed surprised that someone left an in-depth review of it, instead of calling him a 'fag' or 'transphobic'. I can even understand his problem with people coming to him to pester him to make gay stuff after he's expressed that he doesn't like it lol... dunno if you've seen, but other artists have been slammed hard by the gay community on FA for not liking gay stuff lol, and some people don't handle getting mobbed very well.

And I don't think he thinks his work was the 'best' but really, he pretty much has a monopoly on that particular kind of flash game. In fact, the ONLY other person I've seen make a female Sonic flash game was Cuisine actually lmao XD So when there are only a minuscule amount of people putting out this niche content, I think it was a point of pride in his work that he's made the most popular version of a R63 Sonic game, and not so much mega arrogance on his part.

I've never seen any other artist act like he does, a lot of replies from him involves him being arrogant or rude to normal comments.
Using his logic it isn't degenerative to make them sluts, but giving them a dick is and that annoys me. If he's getting attacked by gay people he could had handled it much better.

I've seen other artists act like he does before, aloof and kind of rude or blunt, one of them being a VERY popular artist who was big in the Sonic fandom, and also seemed to be a bit of a homophobe/transphobe, and got mildly attacked for it (won't name names). They dealt with it much better, because they had a bunch of supporters and friends.

Again, I can see where he's coming from though, and it seems like nobody tries to see things from his side. You seem particularly annoyed at his stance on futas and herms... futas and herms are a sexual orientation fetish thing, whereas bimbo-ification is not. Ctrl-Z is very adamant that he's straight, so yeah, adding dicks to females and putting vaginas on males, would be something I'd imagine a straight guy would be repulsed by, to the point of calling it degenerative. Yes, he was crass about it, but as we've established, he's already got a blunt, rougher personality, so that's not really OOC for him... and plus, I imagine if you're constantly getting hit up by people to add something into your work, that you are repulsed by personally, and nobody seems to get the message, you'd kind of be too irritated to be polite... and even if he WAS polite, he would STILL be getting hit up by people to do herm/futa, and gay stuff.

Also, about 'handling an attack better'... I've seen people telling him to kill himself on sfwchan... over a fucking PORN GAME. A game btw, that he worked on for half a year, for FREE, by HIMSELF, probably was constantly getting notes about 'when will it be done, when will it be done', or 'put herms, futas, and use the direct term trans' into his game, and then he finally gets it done, he's excited, he's finally delivering the finished work to his fans.... annnnnd, then he gets called, among other things, a 'Trump supporter' (THAT was hilarious and ironic in more ways than one), a faggot (including implications that he's closeted gay himself, or transsexual, by someone who is supposedly a friend), He's a loser because he works on Sonic porn, told his work was trash, called 'an unprofessional cunt' when he ISN'T a professional and shouldn't be held to a professional standard on something he's doing FOR FREE, called autistic, and the cherry on top, gets called 'Hitler' lmao... just to give you some perspective on the kind of stuff he should be 'handling better'.

I'm actually surprising myself with the amount of sympathy I feel for this guy...

Wasn't aware that he was called all those things, I tend to stay away from any website ending with "chan" because there's mostly only cancer there. (Atleast when I've been there).
I kinda wish that he wouldn't had deleted the comments, I can image that a lot of people would defend him.
Now I just feel bad :(
(Thanks for the super long answer by the way)

Im at a loss here

Who're we talking 'bout? Link please?

For those in the dark, Ctrl-Z had recently released a new Sonic Transformed Rule 63 game under the title Shadow Transformed, which has since been taken down on account of severe backlash for a variety of reasons, the main which that he did not and has expressed strong opinions against including herm/dickgirl and/or male versions of characters. The match that lit the kindling was probably the line "In spite of the title, this animation does not contain transexuals, herms, futa or any other weird type of sexually confused degeneration." which was included in the initial "Click here if you're over +18" disclaimer.

I do not know further details, as I've only been able to infer these from comments I've read on this journal and the e621 posting of the game.

You can currently still play it here on e621 as of this comment: https://e621.net/post/show/1280221/.....-anal-animated

Thank you for the explanation, I was very confused by the above posts.

Personally I find that disclaimer text to be not so much offensive as it is depressingly lacking in self-awareness. I hope the person who wrote it will gain the realisation that the derogatory categorisation could very easily be applied to his own personal interests by someone else, and therefore maybe they should be cool about it and not disrespect anyone's interests or sexual identification as long as it doesn't harm anyone. But that's a very long sentence, so I doubt it.

I agree with both sides in that I don't think he meant it in a serious manner, but could've laid the sarcasm on a little thicker so as to make the message more clear.

Ah, like the classic scenario where a celebrity makes a joke on twitter that gets percieved as a serious statement because golly gee gosh sarcasm really doesn't convey well in plain text on a public forum.

Good ol' Poe's Law.