Nazis are not welcome in my fandom.
8 years ago
>>If this kind of talk stresses you out, don't worry. My FA will remain an escape from real-life stresses. I assume you have enough of your own. I just felt I would be a coward if I didn't say something here.<<
If you support white supremacy...
If you play dress-up in the uniforms of genocide...
If you mock people who just want the same rights you enjoy...
...you don't belong here. Not in my fandom. Not in my country. Not in my world. You cannot possibly play the victim enough for me to consider your murderous opinions valid. So cry all you want, but we'll be here in the furry fandom having fun without you.
To the real furries: I try not to get "political" here. I consider FA a place for healthy escapism. But I'm making an exception here because of those people we've been excusing in our fandom, who post comics crying about how black people want equality, who whine that Nazi uniforms are "just a fetish." No. They are committing real-life terror attacks, literally murdering people on the street in the name of Trump. We would not allow open supporters of ISIS here—we cannot allow neo-Nazis and KKK types here.
So talk to your friends. Tell them you can't believe this bullshit. If they make shitty racist jokes, remind them who they're associating themselves with.
Write to your favorite furry conventions. Tell them to ban white supremacist gear from cons. Don't let them shut down any more of our cons.
Then sign on with your local Indivisible group if you live in the US—there are now at least 2 in each US congressional district (see Twitter and Facebook). If you live in another country: vote, protest, and stop this hatred in your country. Get organized.
We are past the point where you can be "not into politics." Every furry in every nation is responsible for who we are as a fandom. Stand up. Either you oppose white supremacy in the fandom or you're fine with it.
It's not "just online drama" when real-life people are being murdered.
>>If this kind of talk stresses you out, don't worry. My FA will remain an escape from real-life stresses. I assume you have enough of your own. I just felt I would be a coward if I didn't say something here.<<
If you support white supremacy...
If you play dress-up in the uniforms of genocide...
If you mock people who just want the same rights you enjoy...
...you don't belong here. Not in my fandom. Not in my country. Not in my world. You cannot possibly play the victim enough for me to consider your murderous opinions valid. So cry all you want, but we'll be here in the furry fandom having fun without you.
To the real furries: I try not to get "political" here. I consider FA a place for healthy escapism. But I'm making an exception here because of those people we've been excusing in our fandom, who post comics crying about how black people want equality, who whine that Nazi uniforms are "just a fetish." No. They are committing real-life terror attacks, literally murdering people on the street in the name of Trump. We would not allow open supporters of ISIS here—we cannot allow neo-Nazis and KKK types here.
So talk to your friends. Tell them you can't believe this bullshit. If they make shitty racist jokes, remind them who they're associating themselves with.
Write to your favorite furry conventions. Tell them to ban white supremacist gear from cons. Don't let them shut down any more of our cons.
Then sign on with your local Indivisible group if you live in the US—there are now at least 2 in each US congressional district (see Twitter and Facebook). If you live in another country: vote, protest, and stop this hatred in your country. Get organized.
We are past the point where you can be "not into politics." Every furry in every nation is responsible for who we are as a fandom. Stand up. Either you oppose white supremacy in the fandom or you're fine with it.
It's not "just online drama" when real-life people are being murdered.
>>If this kind of talk stresses you out, don't worry. My FA will remain an escape from real-life stresses. I assume you have enough of your own. I just felt I would be a coward if I didn't say something here.<<
Especially since I'm a scruffy cowboy IRL and dress the part. X)
Resist them in the streets and parks—with bravery, with organization, with solidarity.
Resist them in your daily life—with compassion, with tolerance, with humor.
Resist them in your heart—with beauty, with love, with self-care.
You rock, and I'm in this with you. If you want a daily dose of Liberal Cowboy Activist Tempo, please see my Twitter: https://twitter.com/tempowrites
We must all stand up against hate. I get tired too, but resistance is quite energizing.
Glad you found someone nicer to talk to...
Well stated. Thank you for this journal. Respect.
Suspect Civil War vets wouldn't have been too keen either.
This is getting way out of hand. Yes: freedom of speech, but this is a hate group.
I have said this to friends: if you like the outfit ok. But take off the fucking nazi perfinalia! But otherwise gtfo!
This should be a wake-up call to any furry who thought this was harmless make-believe. Anybody who sticks with Nazifurs now is showing you their true character.
And since this is our fandom, a place on the Internet that's nobody's but ours, it's a great place to start cleaning house. Don't give money to artists who celebrate this BS. Block users who spread hate. Confront these losers wherever they dare to show their faces.
So, I agree completely. We can't have different rights for white and non-white people. Organize. Kick out Nazifurs. Vote out the GOP.
After all, if we remember history, we keep ourselves from repeating it again.
But having this shit in the furry fandom, or just in general, is a MASSIVE no-no. My grandmother's brother died fighting those bastards, and by supporting them, these groups are insulting his memory and what he fought for.
The Nazi party died in WWII. It needs to fucking stay dead.
But my grandparents escaped Germany just before WWII. They were as proud of their German ancestry as anyone you'd ever meet. But they hated Nazis and other white supremacists—because they saw how it worked first hand. And they were white, straight, blue-eyed Christians!
My other grandfather fought the Nazis in WWII. He was of German descent too. Seeing idiots waving Nazi flags while claiming to be Americans made him so angry he'd visibly shake.
Anyone who parades those flags around betrays, not just this country, but all of human civilization. They have no right to come in and ruin our furry fun with their hate.
Those who actually believe nazi ideals = please die. Discord and many other sites and businesses have taken a stand. FA should be no different, at least I'd hope.
Letting Nazis display swastikas here tells the world that the furry fandom is pro-Nazi.
You have an ISIS fetish? Good for you. But you don't get to post it here. Having a kink doesn't excuse you from anything.
What's changed that we should now happily accept nazis? Were there laws changed since then that now says, "Nazis are okay!" Because I'd like to bring that up with my local politician.
US Congress switchboard: 202-224-3121
The fandom now has an auto-updating blocklist for Twitter too, if you're on there. https://twitter.com/AltFurryBlocker.....37854764244992
In the end, both 3 deserve to die. Coolest part about it is that these groups conflict and should verry well kill each other — wouldn't it be grand ?
The ONLY trouble I ever got in the Furry fandom so far is rare episodes of conflict with this... "category" of folk who include a mix of nazism, extreme right-wing views and so on.
Personally I found their "membership" to the furry fandom something as deeply hypocritical, concerning how their ideological views clash with the main theme of tollerance and inclusion of different genders and Lgtb, different ethnics and so on... (I could adds to the mix of themes that one big element that the furry fandom should try to recognize more is importance of wildlife and the risk all the world animal species are facing due human action).
Having said this, I would stress how (as someone pointed out) there is a quite big difference between Nazists, KKK and ISIS: and each of them needs to be faced and understood for their differences to be defeated for good.
I could also adds I am from EU, where Anti-fascism as a long history of battles to prevent the attempt of Neo-Nazi and Neo-fascists to regain power (directly or in more subtle forms) and I am quite satisfied to have been part of this struggle since I was in high-school...
For that reason, I am so proud to have furry conventions all over the world, especially where fascists are trying to make a comeback. Furries are the antidote to hate-groups and terrorism—the fandom is a place where anybody can feel like they belong, not because they reject others but because they embrace them. That is a very new concept. It a very powerful one. Furries are helping to save the world.
Agreed. I didn't say those groups are the same thing. But our tolerance of them should be the same: zero. Mock them. Denounce them. Report them. Ban them from every convention and every site in the fandom, starting with your personal account.
I welcomed in the past dialogues, but this resulted mostly in pointless talks with nazi/right-wing extremists moving to insults when they could not catch up with a talk.
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- Wear the uniforms of those who gassed 6,000,000 civilians of various races?
- Have a history of lynching tens of thousands of innocent US citizens?
- Whine about losing a war that meant they could no longer own other human beings?
- Crush people to death with their cars on the streets of Virginia?
- Wear fursuits to conventions incorporating the symbols of the above atrocities?
- Shut down our conventions with death threats, doxxing, and promised terrorist attacks?
Are Asian supremacists doing those things? Black supremacists? Native American supremacists? Pacific Islander supremacists? Hispanic supremacists? Where can I find these groups in the fandom?
I know you're just trying to be fair. I am too. That's what this is all about. However, Nazifurs are a real danger to the lives and livelihoods of furries who are non-white, non-Christian, non-fascist, LGBT, or even just female. Right now. You may not be targeted yet, but we shouldn't wait quietly for them to get around to you. Because, by then, the furry fandom will be forever known as a haven for Nazis. I have too many friends in this fandom that white supremacism demands be murdered.
Blocked.
Since their terrorist attack in Virginia, the fandom has kicked into high gear on this. If we all join together, we can give these losers the boot. : ) They think they speak for the majority and once you shatter that, they'll wither way. Public pressure works.
Bernie is also the establishment. He's been in Congress forever. And he's far too right-wing for me. Clinton was too. But I'm willing to work with people like him because I want to win before Pence can start "hanging all the gays" like Trump explicitly promised the other day.
I grew up in North Dakota, so I've been a socialist all my life. It's in the cultural DNA here, ever since the socialists took over the state 100 years ago. We have a state-run bank, agricultural processing centers, colleges, even brands of flour. Walmart can't even run pharmacies here because they're required by law to be co-ops.
Socialism is the answer.
It works.
But we don't get there if we don't crush the GOP and Nazis. They will not play nice. They will literally kill us all if we continue to fight among ourselves.
The kind of people who would vote for a Dem even if he were a pedophile are far fewer then Reps who would. Though I know for a fact they exist. But unwavering party loyalty to the Democrats is far less common than unwavering party loyalty to the Republicans.
The real issue is: how do we impeach Trump before he finishes the process of dismantling our election system? Before thousands more purges minorities through intentional neglect like in he did in Puerto Rico? Before he shuts down the investigations into how the GOP sold us out to Putin to win? The only way I can think of is to vote out the GOP and impeach him, then prosecute him.
How do I get that to happen while every other white male liberal I talk to says something along the lines of "I won't vote for Dems because they're not progressive enough"?
The left breaking into tiny factions is not what we need now. DSA is all well and good, but we need to unite. We need to act as one and vote out this illegitimate regime. We don't have the luxury of in-fighting. Our democracy is under assault by a foreign power with the aid of the entire GOP/Fox News machine. If someone agrees with 80% of what I want and isn't a sexual predator or something, we need them. I don't care if they're a moderate Dem or a flaming socialist or the last Republican who has a shred of honor. We need them.
So you want to federalize the internet? I do too. But right now, one party is trying to kill the internet and one party is trying to save it. We need to win these battles now. We need to unite. We need to be a solid blue wave that sweeps away the GOP and puts fear in the heart of every pathetic little bigot in this country, so nothing like this ever happens again.
So yeah, I'll work with Indivisible. I'll work with DSA. I'll work with Dems. I'll work with religious groups. I'll work with anybody who still gives a damn about democracy, about civil rights, about people over profits. We can rebuild America later. For now, we need to keep Putin and the GOP from burning it to the ground. Sanders and Clinton and Dems and independents and socialists aren't our enemy. The GOP is. The GOP is a death cult and they're eager to take us down with them.
I've seen what we can do in Virgina and now in Alabama. When we work together, and work hard, we can do the impossible. We outnumber them. They have the bloated weight of greed on their side, but we have the righteous fury of human decency burning on ours. I wouldn't trade our position for theirs, not for all the money in the Koch brothers' bank accounts. If you stand with us, if we face this as one, we can win. We can beat back the darkness and usher in an age ruled by our generation, a generation raised on tolerance and equality, learned the hard way through years toiling in this economy for the profit of the rich. The age of the powerful few can end. We can save the world.
We the many.
We the furries, the gamers, the millennials. We who are written off and degraded and mocked.
We the people.