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Nazifurs GTFO Part 2
8 years ago
"It's a journal from Summercat! And he writes:"
What a lovely bunch of posts. Certainly saw some snowflakes get all up in anger about calling out Nazifurs.
I saw a lot of "Whataboutism" trying to deflect from the issue, I saw some people trying to bring up "Marxist ideology" as a validation while trying to deflect with old lies about Confederate memorials. Also a lot of people tying anyone who is anti-fascist or part of Antifa to Communism - say whut? Antifa is all about opposing Fascism.
Apparently opposing Fascism is too much for some people. They want to say "Both sides are bad", and when that fails - well, I had one person lie in a journal about went down, including calling me out by name.
In response to confirming that I, a Jewishman, should be more tolerant of Nazis: "You support a thing worse than nazism, or something just as worse if you're a commie, they are both murderous gangs that hate freedom, but just soo you know, if comes to that battle, the commies -will- lose."
Notice here the false dilemma - this person assumed I'm a communist, and seems to believe that only communists would oppose fascism and nazisim. That certainly would be news to John McCain or Mitt Romney!
This person later said: "The facists couldn't care less if you're gay or not, they hate the agenda you have likely aligned yourself with because it has been coopted by communists and BLM. The gay agenda that has made it ok to teach kids in school how to sodomize themselves with bananas and shit, and how to have sex f/f, the gay agenda that whines that their videos about how to perform gay sex got age restricted so that anyone under 5 years old can't see them. Hell you have to be pretty gay to be a facist in the first place, or a MGTOW."
Wat.
Y'see folks, it is this simple: If your philosophy require the death or expulsion of a person from their home, based upon their race, gender, orientation, or religion - you don't get a seat of the table, or a welcome. Tolerance does not get extended to intolerance, the ideals of acceptance are mutually exclusive with those of hatred and divisiveness.
So please, keep telling the Jewish man that he should welcome and tolerate those who want him dead.
Please keep telling these Jews that the First Amendment covers threats and intimidation.
Please keep telling me that it's just "Communists" and "Liberals" that think Nazis and White Supremecists are un-American, that both sides are the same.
I mean, how hard is it to say: "Nazis don't belong in polite company" or something similar, without trying to fall back into whatboutism? How hard is it to not go "Well, your side is just as bad!"? How hard is it to not go "Well its just a different opinion" when their opinion is that I should be dead?
For far too many people, it seems pretty hard indeed.
I saw a lot of "Whataboutism" trying to deflect from the issue, I saw some people trying to bring up "Marxist ideology" as a validation while trying to deflect with old lies about Confederate memorials. Also a lot of people tying anyone who is anti-fascist or part of Antifa to Communism - say whut? Antifa is all about opposing Fascism.
Apparently opposing Fascism is too much for some people. They want to say "Both sides are bad", and when that fails - well, I had one person lie in a journal about went down, including calling me out by name.
In response to confirming that I, a Jewishman, should be more tolerant of Nazis: "You support a thing worse than nazism, or something just as worse if you're a commie, they are both murderous gangs that hate freedom, but just soo you know, if comes to that battle, the commies -will- lose."
Notice here the false dilemma - this person assumed I'm a communist, and seems to believe that only communists would oppose fascism and nazisim. That certainly would be news to John McCain or Mitt Romney!
This person later said: "The facists couldn't care less if you're gay or not, they hate the agenda you have likely aligned yourself with because it has been coopted by communists and BLM. The gay agenda that has made it ok to teach kids in school how to sodomize themselves with bananas and shit, and how to have sex f/f, the gay agenda that whines that their videos about how to perform gay sex got age restricted so that anyone under 5 years old can't see them. Hell you have to be pretty gay to be a facist in the first place, or a MGTOW."
Wat.
Y'see folks, it is this simple: If your philosophy require the death or expulsion of a person from their home, based upon their race, gender, orientation, or religion - you don't get a seat of the table, or a welcome. Tolerance does not get extended to intolerance, the ideals of acceptance are mutually exclusive with those of hatred and divisiveness.
So please, keep telling the Jewish man that he should welcome and tolerate those who want him dead.
Please keep telling these Jews that the First Amendment covers threats and intimidation.
Please keep telling me that it's just "Communists" and "Liberals" that think Nazis and White Supremecists are un-American, that both sides are the same.
I mean, how hard is it to say: "Nazis don't belong in polite company" or something similar, without trying to fall back into whatboutism? How hard is it to not go "Well, your side is just as bad!"? How hard is it to not go "Well its just a different opinion" when their opinion is that I should be dead?
For far too many people, it seems pretty hard indeed.
Just scratching my head over this and people who think this is just a difference of opinion.
I mean, I don't think I'd mind living in a government where you are the sole governmental power, but until such time as we live in a Kivocracy, you shutting people down doesn't violate free speech.
With how laws are worded now-a-days, there's so many loopholes that people exploit, (like the westboro baptist church).
and protests now are becoming very violent, and yet the actual peaceful protests are the ones that get punished.
Considering our history with the Nazis, i feel like anyone who shares that ideology or fully lives it should be placed in records and have them arrested if they start to stir up trouble
Unfortunately, until you acknowledge that you may possibly be wrong, there is no basis for argument...
I'll wait for this. Until you actually make an argument, there's no argument to be had.
Couple that with their flag. Do you know what the red and black is? It's the colors for anarcho-communism. They're an anarcho-communist organization (note how they refer to each other by communist lingo such as comrades), which also puts a lot of people off. Are you really backing an organization that has our best interests at heart, or is Lucifer slinking his way through the Garden of Eden? Because I've been following Antifa before they started getting mainstream attention with Charlottesville. They are not a pony to back.
Personally, I like the picture I saw of a Polish demonstration where they had a No-Fascist and No-Communism sign. Now that's woke.
2) You have not shown how Antifa are Fascists. You have shown that they use blackblock tactics.
3) Milo is a member of the Alt Right, which is firmly in the same camp and espouses the same arguments as Nazis.
4) Your attacks based on anarcho-communism falls flat due to no relevance.
So, no. Not buying it. Communism doesn't state that I (or anyone else) has to die for it to work, so it is nowhere near the boogieman that Fascism and Nazism are. Good day to you.
What they're saying is reacting to a group's violent speeches with violence doesn't make you better - and their violent speech doesn't justify your violent actions or wishes for violence. A lot of these foul groups use violence and thuggery to push their agendas forward, and when people see that, they don't like that group. As one person said on Facebook, Jackbooted thuggery is still jackbooted thuggery, it doesn't matter who's doing it and why. For some the ends do not justify the means.
The other issue is the whole Free Speech thing. Some people defend all speech, even the kind they find reprehensible, as they want to make sure those rights are enforced and not cut down on or limited because of the actions of one group. And I'm saying this as a person who despises all forms of bigotry, racism, and so on.
Free Speech doesn't however include killing people. Or calling for the immediate killing of another group (Fighting words doctrine). I'm not saying that you can't peacefully protest, or find other ways of taking them down, it's just that everyone wants to seem to rush to violence - on both sides - and I personally feel it's not going to end so well or be as glorious as people are making it out to be, as if it's WWII: Part II.
Sucks that it misfired, and that's why I'd never encourage it - but it also hit more than it missed.
It allows people to blame someone else for their misfortune when there is nobody to blame but themselves or just the situation they started out in.
It is wholly incompatible with the ideals of the United States of America and the Furry Fandom, but because for too long we were trapped in the logical fallacy that tolerance means we have to tolerate those who are intolerant and hate tolerance, we've let it sit without addressing it.
I dunno, both extreme sides hate me unless I conform to their social agendas 100% so fuck it. I will stick to being a "radical" centrist :V / If you don't want to live in a mostly logical, yet emotionally acknowledging society: you aren't interested in your own best interest! Just my opinion.
P.S. Nazis are still always bad, never met a Hitler lover who was nice.
Please explain this one, I'd love to hear it as it makes zero sense to me.
I just read the journal before this though, and that is when I saw this has nothing to do with antifa, alt-right, etc. Sorry. Since we are STRICTLY talking within furry fandom, I think it makes more sense to say that the Nazi Symbolism in the fandom must be nigh snuffed. Sure, showing off Grand Dad's medals or appreciating some things from Nazi Germany isn't Nazism or bad... However I must stress that glorifying Nazional Socialistich shit isn't good. It promotes ignorance, violence, elitism, hatred etc. Cheers.
I don't buy that Antifa, a decentralized label that applies to many groups, is Fascist in any way shape or form.
But you are correct, this has nothing to do with the fandom - and there's no equivalent antifa Furry group to the AltFurry or Furry Raider groups.
HOWEVER MORE I stand HEAVILY AGAINST THE NEONAZIS! They had a subhuman collection of cells, drive an automotive into MULTIPLE civilians UNPROVOKED, and WITH TOTAL INDIFFERENCE IF THE TARGETS WERE MEN, WOMEN OR CHILDREN.
So regardless of our views on Antifa, I am still on your side. These Nazis need to go, and we need a more organized collective to start shitting on them. I suggest the police are given the right to shit on these nazis, because they are being told to stand down. Trust me, I was raised by 2 cops, I know how the West has been to police lately.
The Nazis were the ones who abandoned the plans agreed to by the Police that would have kept them separate, as per the police. They also had weapon caches all over the city, as per the Governor of Virginia.
You seem to object to their tactics of confrontation. That does not make them Fascist in the least.
A lot of my bigger antifa and nazi issue is both hate me for being white, male and cisgender. I also use politically incorrect terms like fag, cracker, etc. Nazis hate me for being gay and a mental health patient, and antifa hates me for not being different enough.
In the end all I am really trying to say is: where is the middle ground, or the semi-sane people? Did they all die? Are we the silent group who bystands because *music plays* 'fuck this shit I'm out!'? IDFK
I am too tired to keep talking about stuff. I haven't slept, it is 04:15 and my eyes are sagging LOL. I support you regardless for doing this. Heck, I'd support you for speaking against nazi-furs if you weren't a nice guy, and you somehow got me banned or hated idfk. In the end, this fucking nazi shit is a human mistake and is scummy and gross and should have died with Adolf Schitler.
I'ma go to bed, I enjoyed the conversation. Rare that I ever find intelligent people anymore. Dobranoc braciszek!
I think anyone spotted or known to affiliate with white supremacy groups or indeed any supremacy group, you should have to go on a register. You know, like sex offenders. They have to report in and have their movements tracked like sex offenders and have to tell all their neighbours that they're on the list.
I know it's a little extreme but, hell, I still think its a good idea.
Not quite in the same group. The Totalitarian governments of China and Russia cloaked themselves in communism, and their centralized state-owned command economies had major failures, but Communism does not require the death, subjecation, or degredation of groups of people in order to work. In theory.
Whereas Nazism, Fascism, and the Confederacy did.
I also don't like the idea of treating membership in supremacy groups as a public register. That is, I feel, going too far. Certainly put on a membership list for law enforcement - but they already do that.
I mean that's why I personally think socialism is a better route, as instead of just saying to one class that they should chose all the important decisions it says it should be all classes that should work together to make all decisions. Not just the upper class, which is what we have now, which is probably closest to fascism too, not just the working classes, but literally get everyone to think of what is in the best interest of everyone. I think that would work way better. That's my opinion.
That and you seem to misunderstand that Communism seeks the elimination of all classes. But that's okay, lots of people get it wrong due to decades of misinformation and propaganda.
And yes, I prefer Market Socialism. Yet, you saw the replies I got in the prior journal.
Their reasoning was often flawed, and too many came in with no intent except to incite anger or argue in bad faith. Kinda sad.
Thank for this journal, Summercat. For standing up for common sense. Respect.
The critical difference is that I take responsibility for my situation (sometimes even ascribing to my own failure other people's actions), whereas the alt-right seek to blame others.
Sorry for derailing the conversation but "venting my spleen" sounds like one of those weird animal self-defense mechanisms like squirting blood out of the eyes or detaching a limb to escape.
I AM NOT COMMON
I AM AT LEAST AN UNCOMMON, IF NOT RARE OR MYTHIC RARE!
/Magic the Gathering joke
' If your ideology involves the death of persons due to race, gender, creed, orientation, etc then it is wrong and you are not welcome'. There is no argument. There is no excuse. If you believe anyone should be subjugated and murdered for any reason you are wrong and that is final.
Ignoring these people is how we got here.
Confront on Sight, I'll take. Prepared To Throw The Second Punch I'll take as well.
Certainly I'd abuse you by asking you to keep up the rhetoric so that a more moderate viewpoint seems much better in comparison. That's how it worked for MLK - they were willing to work with him because the alternative was the Nation of Islam, Muslim Brotherhood, and the Black Panthers.
My rhetoric is extreme and I openly acknowledge that, which is why I'll never actually act on what I say.
See the thing the nazis and/or nazi-sympathizers (I'm not calling them 'alt-right', they are what they are) keep harping on about is "Freedom of Speech" and "Muh 2nd Amendment".
The FOS amendment gives any American citizen the right to think and say what they want to without fear of governmental reprisal; because the alternative to that is thought policing and nobody wants any of that shit.
HOWEVER.
It does not extend to physical acts.
And it -does- give everyone else the right to call them a fuckmongering cocksplat not worthy of the oxygen they're wasting and deny their attendance at their event/in their city/at their demonstrations/wherever else.
And if they're going to run around telling me I have less right to life than them because of a genetic consequence that makes me more attracted to other men than to women, then believe, "fuckmongering cocksplat" is the least aggressive of the terms I'd use in reply.
But yes this.
"...the right of the people peaceably to assemble..." is also a pretty fuckin big part of it.
When they refer to Antifa (Anti-Fascism) it seems they exclusively refer to the property-destroying Anarcho-communists and Autonomists, not to the group as a whole; that is usually made up cause I think they fail to understand that Antifa isn't entirely one organization but a group of principles which are all dedicated to fight fascist ideologies.
Now, when it comes to Communism v. Nazism; Communism does not call for the deaths of any one, of any group, of any race, and most of the deaths under Communism have been done under figure-heads who have developed their own versions of communism not because the ideology itself calls for the deaths of those people. Compare the Communist Manifesto, the founding document of Communism by Engles & Marx to Mein Kampf, the "Father" document to that of Nazism written by everyone's favorite mustache-thief, Hitler.
The Communist Manifesto never mentions a violent revolution; that is State & Government by Lenin. (A revisionist-marxist ideology). At best it calls for 2nd amendment rights as the right of all workers and people. Mein Kampf on the other hand mentions the Jewry, The communists, the socialists, the trade unionists, everyone that isn't a white-god fearing pure-bred aryan is suppose to be enslaved or killed off.
When you compare the two ideologies at their basic cores you can definitely see that Communism is not inherently violent however Nazism (Fascism) definitely is.
As a Jewish individual anyone who asks me to support Nazis, Fascists, the Klan and their intolerant beliefs should go suck a large over-sized pickle; I will not be on the supporting side of David Duke, of Richard Spencer, of all those racist shitbags as long as I live for those people and their hateful ideology have killed Jews, Whites & Blacks that have aided MLK (KKK), they have concentrated and mass-genocided other people (Nazism), and they have happen to deport Jewish folk when it was comfortable for them to do so rather than fight for those who are prosecuted. (Fascism-Italy/Vichy France).
Heck, whataboutism is the lamest argument I've honestly heard and it's equally bad to a strawman or an anecdotal fallacy.
Frank/Franz Frison, a holocaust survivor writing to the Irish Times said; ""If fascism could be defeated in debate, I assure you that it would never have happened, neither in Germany, nor in Italy, nor anywhere else. Those who recognised its threat at the time and tried to stop it were, I assume, also called “a mob”. Regrettably too many “fair-minded” people didn’t either try, or want to stop it, and, as I witnessed myself during the war, accommodated themselves when it took over ... People who witnessed fascism at its height are dying out, but the ideology is still here, and its apologists are working hard at a comeback. Past experience should teach us that fascism must be stopped before it takes hold again of too many minds, and becomes useful once again to some powerful interests.""
But if you're trying to convince 'em centrists/moderates on the issue who seem to try and equalize both side's then it might? :p
However, Fascism's strong rhetoric and especially strong excuse-making for people's conditions is almost always stronger to those who are in despair for an excuse to rally behind which is why Fascism cannot be defeated in debate - because it's not there to debate in the first place. Most of its points are flawed from the get-go but that's not the point of it; it's to inspire those looking for a way out of some situation, who are poor, or those in despair to reclaim some sort of "Identity" in an effort to build a strong totalitarian movement - which is what eventually leads to the fascistic-rise of Mussolini or Hitler.
So you cannot really debate a Fascist and hope he uses honesty with you, and you have to keep in mind that his dishonesty might win, sadly.
They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
It started something like this
"6m never died. the concentration camp are a sham"
"6m didn't die, it was only like 1m. concentration camps weren't a sham but they didn't exist to kill"
"only the soviets found exclusively-death camps."
"fine maybe 5m died but they probably deserved it"
and then it ended in
"The holocaust never happened." in which point I just face-palmed.
We went over how statistics have proven that around 5.1m to 6.4m people have died as a result of the Holocaust (11m if you consider non-jews), and how Concentration Camps were not a sham put in by any of the World Governments. Then we went over how each Concentration Camp Commander (as written on testimonies before a/ during / after Nuremburg) commanded their camps and what tactics they used which were purposely made for killing. Then we saw that some of them weren't inherently killing so there's no such thing as "death camp" but then I had to point out that Hitler did not want any death-camps in Germany so that's why they're in out of Germany, mostly Poland.
And then just as we were going to crack this mystery he suddenly goes back to step 1, and calls me a filthy zionist history-revisionist.
so at that point I facepalmed my way out. Also he seemed to argue "Neo-Nazis" are a mockery to real "Nazis", so im just going to assume they have in-fighting and if they do; they can just keep fighting each other :)
Welcome to the twilight zone.
You're completely right though....these same people who advocate 'free speech' are up in arms about their charactiersation of "liberals defending extreme Islam, oh you're in bed with an ideology which is incompatible with the tolerant west". They're completely right of course, extreme Islam is pretty much fascist,- completely intolerant of other ideas and other people.....but when it comes to home-grown far right movements who are just as intolerant, "OH SHIT 1ST AMENDMENT!".
The double standards and blinkered thinking from the right are unending and eternal.
Its not a coincidence that Germany, arguable the most intolerant of Nazism, was its source. They have a 'generational, social memory' of what happened and experience with that shit. We can't forget, too, the Italian and Spanish dictators. Franco's Spain was seriously fucked up.
Though the victim in this case was the poor woman killed during that protest. Fuck the nazis though...seriously. There is no room in today's society for this pathetic bullshit.
be it gender identity, religious beliefs, sexuality, race, etc. :) but apparantly these days being so "egalitarian" is bad i guess? (honestly, i see all as equal because i'm a fucking mutt myself. could care less who they are, what they do, etc. as long as they intend to be kind and upholding people like i try for. ya know?)
the unfortunate part is that even if you hold ONE pinch of a similar argument with any side these days, you get labeled as part of that entity entirely. no matter how tame or extreme that perspective is. left labelling anyone on right "racist, xenophobe, transphobe, sexist", etc. kinda bullshit even witohut hearing anything they're saying past a poorly worded statement.
then there's the right overwhelmingly getting stressed by all the extreme left side calling themselves as one group or another and they become the voice of that group as well. BLM now getting dubbed "black supremecist white genocide race warmongers!" as example. antifa "common street thugs and elite rich white kids that think they're doing good, but ruining everyone's livelihood in process."
can't "win" by just trying to do your own thing anywhere in between either sadly. :/
probably missed primary point of your journals here, but hope my exhausted opinion and thoughts help some bud.
Problem is, the labels of "racist" and "Nazi" get thrown around like a game of hot potato nowadays, so it's hard to distinguish anymore unless you see the obvious signs by the person in question. And yes, both sides of the debate have extremist, even borderline terrorist groups in them somewhere, and it doesn't matter if Antifa is MEANT to be anti-fascist, they're not anymore. They themselves push their own agenda through force and hatred. They PRACTICE fascism while claiming to stand against it, or at the very least, the loudest ones carrying the flags do. Hell, BLM was supposed to be a way to bring awareness to the "cops vs unarmed black people" problem. It then turned into riots, looting of businesses, and screaming for dead cops. Honestly, almost every civil rights movement nowadays is getting bastardized, and it's sad. I could stand beside a lot of them if they didn't get out of hand as they have recently.
They're for the glorification of a single race and the denigration and genocide of others? Please explain how Antifa and other anti-fascists are practicing Fascism.
Further, I'm not aiming this at "Right Wing Opinions I DOn't Like". I'm aiming this at people literally espousing Nazi ideology and using Nazi symbology.
So we are talking about "actual Nazi's, KKK, white supremacists, and all that", and "Whataboutism" towards other groups only gives them cover.
Also, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
Yeah, they do that. Oppress those with differing opinions through force, they target white males usually, and feel their agenda, which includes Bernie-style economics and the remove-all-things-that-offend-us social structure, should be enforced by force. Only thing that doesn't fit them in that definition is the "single person dictatorship" part...I think. I have yet to see anyone come forth as a "leader" yet. At no point does the actual dictionary-definition of the term does it mention genocide.
So no, the group is the real deal, and trying to ignore them for what they are and what they do, while pointing fingers solely at the other side's worst extremists gives them cover as well. I outright condemn the KKK and anyone else who participates in actual racist behavior, regardless of the group, or even political party they associate with.
In addition, the "opposing viewpoints" has to be taken in context. I oppose Supply-Side Economics and cuts to welfare programs like Food Stamps. If I wanted to stamp out by violence those ideas, that would make me the bad guy. However, the ideas that Antifa are opposing are things like "Jews and Blacks are Subhuman".
When people are literally having torch marches, changing "Blood and Soil", doing the Nazi salute, flying the flag, espousing rhetoric, planting weapon caches across a city, shouting "There's the synagoge!" as they march down the street while armed men stand across the road from said synagogue while people are in prayer there, that's Nazis.
The Antifa will go back to what they were two years ago once the AltRight and Nazis are gone, and sure, if they start a riot I'll say "Stop that, that's not helping." But the two sides are nowhere near equivalent.
These are Nazis that we are talking about.
Why is it so hard for people to condem Nazis and White Supremecists without deflecting? When both Presidents Bush, John McCain, and nearly every other major elected Republican figure does exactly what I want YOU to do, perhaps you need to think that no, both sides are not bad when the sides are Nazis and those who oppose them.
Which is exactly what that Ultra-Liberal Socialist crypto-Communist Mitt Romney said.
Hell, here's a poll with PROOF of that: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybe.....lence-n2370528
Both sides take the obvious "my party didn't do it" stance, quick to blame the other. BOTH caused this fight. Oh yeah, the Nazi assholes instigated it with their bullshit and racism, but do you think that excuses the events that took place? Even better, Antifa was THERE TO FIGHT. They intended on beating their message into the skulls of their enemies from the beginning, so no, they aren't innocent bystanders that had no choice but to fight, they never are.
I outright condemned the Nazis, I even called them pieces of human shit, what more do you want?
I'll tell you what I want at least. Admit Antifa's going too far with THEIR acts of violence and hatred against anyone they personally deem "fascists," which tends to be anybody against the left. This isn't deflection, it's facts. If anything, I'm the one getting straight to the point here, you refuse o acknowledge the terrible things Antifa and the other leftists extremists have done, for example, the Bernie-supporting shooter who shot that Republican at the baseball field.
"You're quick to blame Nazis and the KKK for all of these issues, totally ignoring the leftist extremists."
Yeah, you GTFO. You're providing cover to Nazis with your bullshit "WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE".
like do you know the history of that site? x3
It's not exactly unbiased.
It doesn't start out with "Kill the Jews", it starts out with dogwhistles and oblique approaches, codewords that the more experienced know the real meaning of, but the mark only sees the surface meaning. How many people have you heard blame free trade and globalism for their poor economic standing? From there it's a short hop to "Shouldn't people follow the rules, all those illegal immigrants shouldn't be doing that", or "The wealthy elites who run the country don't care about you, just their pocketbook" or "Why should those urban people get food stamps when you're just scraping by?" or "Look at this video of these muslim extremists, we shouldn't allow this over here."
From there you get to xenophobic nativism, anti-Semitism ("Globalist" is a codeword for Jew), racism ("Urban" is codeword for Blacks), and plain old xenophobia ("Islam is incompatible with Western Society").
Meanwhile, the person is also being told that he's got a heritage, that he should be proud to be white, being told the lie of the zero-sum-game of rights. He's being made like he's a part of something, which is POWERFUL for someone who feels cut off and adrift from society. Anger, Frustration, and the feeling of Powerlessness is hooked onto by these recruiters, who are also pretty handy with memes and pop-culture.
"Oh, it's just a joke to rile up those SJWs, we don't actually mean it" they say, but they believe, and eventually so does the person who starts to respond to a racist joke with his own.
It is powerful. It is insidious. It is hard to stop, because even "Hey, Nazi uniforms are cool, I hate Nazis but their uniforms are snazzy" is an opening for this evil to get in.
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Centrists don't want a solution. They point out both sides are "bad" and simply provide no other solution other than wanting everyone to shut up.
Still, I don't like it when people link videos to me where it's a random guy doing commentary instead of actually using their own arguements, and I don't want to use it myself.
The Altfurries, and Alt-Right in general, are trying to blend in with mainstream conservatives. We cannot let them fool us. Keep your eyes on prize.