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Getting Kinda Sick of it (Re-post)
8 years ago
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(Apparently making indirect rhymes also counts as naming users, so eh. Would've been easier if they just cut that line out, but ah well. Still find it to be rather stupid rule to disallow exposing fraud in a very "let the banks police themselves." but, ain't my site, so can't make the rules. Just roll my eyes at them.)
You know, had you told me ~10+ years ago when I first joined the fandom, that I would inadvertently cause dozens of top tier or "the elite" artists in the different fandoms to create a, basically; cabal against me, with the sole purpose to lie, slander, discredit, gaslight or in other ways generally just spread mistrust. I would have actively laughed in your face. As, seriously: I'm one person. The fuck could I possibly do alone against some of the biggest names in a fandom? That'd basically be like some nobody toppling a corporation.
Yet, around ~10 years later, here I stand. Having had it confirmed by Zone themselves that "they warned me about you.". Very much moving things into a "are you shitting me?" territory.
I mean, yeah. Zone might not be the most credibly source. But the fact they knew exactly who I was... or well, had heard of the caricature version, that's made dozens of elite artist figuratively "run away crying", is just... wow. I honestly don't know what to say. I feel like giving a slow clap.
It didn't bother me as much. I used to be of a "Eh, let them have their little fanclub.", as,I honestly used to be waaaay idealistic and naive. Thinking that people would favour facts. That was a "du'h" position. Like, if I saw someone caught red handed, with no alibi, and EVERY single proof pointing towards them. That sounds pretty much like a slam dunk case.
But, like I've had to learn the hard way over the years: People don't give a flying fuck about evidence. They go with whatever hurts their feelings the least, or what doesn't offend them. Like: Your favourite singer turns out to be a serial sexual abuser? Nope! Fake news! People with literally nothing to gain and everything to lose are coming out against them. They're clearly doing this for... reasons... because you still enjoy their music, and want to be able to like them.
I've had several people scared shitless off me. Not just the hack artists I've exposed. Heck, even had people new to the site have me pre-blocked. As there's apparently a list of "difficult people" to add to your list when joining the site. Who and what made it, they don't want to reveal though. As, "they don't wana be a tattle tale", they know what happens to whistle blowers...
More than once I've talked to someone new. To suddenly have them go "Wait, you're THE Satch/Kattlarv?!" and have them immediately get cold feet.
Slowly backing away as they didn't want me to demolish them, out them, "go on a witch hunt" or get swarmed by the "hater squad" I apparently have that goes around and shits on anything I'm involved with.
And when I ask if they've EVER seen me do any of those things. The answer has always been "No... but I've heard people say it!". Except one time when someone did link to when I exposed someone lying out their ass. And I asked "Well, WERE they lying?" and got a "Well, yes... but you were kinda mean to them over the fact they were lying..." response.
It does piss me off how big influence fame has when it comes to what people will believe.
When it comes to folio's and artists I've exposed, I have a 100 % credibility rating so far. I have not been wrong ONCE.
Heck, even most of my wild accusations has turned out to be true. Not all of those has come true. But when I have over 80 % accuracy on just guessing...
What does tick me off even further is the justifications people give though.
With artists that have been proven to be pathological liars, that just spews shit non-stop. Their gullible fans trust them wholeheartedly as "They're famous, why would they lie?", "Well, they MIGHT not be lying this time" and/or "Why would they lie about incriminating evidence that makes them look like a complete ass? What do they have to gain from that?"
And then turn around to me, point at my flawless record and go "Oh yeah? Well, you COULD be lying, THIS TIME! Using all your built up credibility over the years, JUST to make this next artist you expose look bad." Since yeah... I'd TOTALLY toil away for years with nothing to gain except selflessly helping others, simply to build up to a moment where I, one time, can throw someone under the bus. In a manner that could be debunked in minutes, as: unlike EVERY. OTHER. CASE; I wouldn't have the evidence and facts to back it up. And would have to resort to what my opposition does: lie about it, and hope people will believe it on hearsay, and NOT investigate.
So, yeah. It DOES grind my gears that famous people gets a free pass on that. Having their fans be immediately sceptical and rejecting any evidence provided, not even bothering to look at it. As their dear leader told them not to. And how it's just "fake news". And mind you: This was way before that term was even a thing. I mean jebus fuck: People brazenly lie out in the open, then brags about it right after! They are that used to getting away with it.
Especially to have people come up and question me about "What's so bad about blindly following orders without thinking for myself? It's very convenient!"
But yeah... bit extra bitchy edition rant today xP
I do get a bit personally insulted when people decline a commission, trying new things, or even simply just: improving as an artist. As they are afraid of backlash from the status quo. Or that I would yell at them. Based on nothing more than hearing people "tell them about it."
But seriously, the 18+ fandom? YOU created this. You're just gonna have to deal with it.
I know very well that most people are complacent, have no standard when it comes to female genitalia or the like. Along with the blatant hypocrisy and discrimination towards female characters. (Seriously, any fandom where someone can say something like "Yeah, I don't draw ex: black women, cuz I only draw normal, attractive women." and everyone nods and agrees at that being a "totally legit/reasonable." excuse.) or have people claim that "nobody cares", to the next second throw a tantrum over that exact thing. (like: claim that "nobody cares" what genitals you put on your MLP. To then flip their shit when someone tried to put a human penis on one.)
I have seen SOME progress though. The "Wait a minute..." ordeals are starting to creep up slowly. Which is really nice.
Some are finally starting to wise to things like "Wait, if I pay the same for female as male, why am I only getting 2/3'rd of the service?".
Then again, we still have people bragging about essentially throwing money into the lake... like with one of the recent hack animators: Someone LITERALLY gloated about how the artist over-charges money, and "how they made over 500 $ on this animation" to excuse the fact that the animator cannot draw proper females, and actively discriminates against them. ATOP admitting taking money from the ones that purchase females, and put ~30 % of it into the males. (The number is just a rough estimate.) Like... are you shitting me? You're proud over paying extra, just to get less, and be banned from having your female character both climax, and be allowed to chose genitalia for them?
->
That's like bragging about being to a restaurant that refused to serve you desert, but still insisted of charging you for it, so that they could give your desert to some other customer and force you to watch them eat it. Atop not letting you order, just going "You'll eat what the chef decides to give you!" and then go on talking about how much money you paid for the dinner. And when told that the chef behind your back said they'd NEVER eat at their own restaurant. You just gloat and go "Yeah... I bet they wouldn't~" as if that's a good thing.
You know, had you told me ~10+ years ago when I first joined the fandom, that I would inadvertently cause dozens of top tier or "the elite" artists in the different fandoms to create a, basically; cabal against me, with the sole purpose to lie, slander, discredit, gaslight or in other ways generally just spread mistrust. I would have actively laughed in your face. As, seriously: I'm one person. The fuck could I possibly do alone against some of the biggest names in a fandom? That'd basically be like some nobody toppling a corporation.
Yet, around ~10 years later, here I stand. Having had it confirmed by Zone themselves that "they warned me about you.". Very much moving things into a "are you shitting me?" territory.
I mean, yeah. Zone might not be the most credibly source. But the fact they knew exactly who I was... or well, had heard of the caricature version, that's made dozens of elite artist figuratively "run away crying", is just... wow. I honestly don't know what to say. I feel like giving a slow clap.
It didn't bother me as much. I used to be of a "Eh, let them have their little fanclub.", as,I honestly used to be waaaay idealistic and naive. Thinking that people would favour facts. That was a "du'h" position. Like, if I saw someone caught red handed, with no alibi, and EVERY single proof pointing towards them. That sounds pretty much like a slam dunk case.
But, like I've had to learn the hard way over the years: People don't give a flying fuck about evidence. They go with whatever hurts their feelings the least, or what doesn't offend them. Like: Your favourite singer turns out to be a serial sexual abuser? Nope! Fake news! People with literally nothing to gain and everything to lose are coming out against them. They're clearly doing this for... reasons... because you still enjoy their music, and want to be able to like them.
I've had several people scared shitless off me. Not just the hack artists I've exposed. Heck, even had people new to the site have me pre-blocked. As there's apparently a list of "difficult people" to add to your list when joining the site. Who and what made it, they don't want to reveal though. As, "they don't wana be a tattle tale", they know what happens to whistle blowers...
More than once I've talked to someone new. To suddenly have them go "Wait, you're THE Satch/Kattlarv?!" and have them immediately get cold feet.
Slowly backing away as they didn't want me to demolish them, out them, "go on a witch hunt" or get swarmed by the "hater squad" I apparently have that goes around and shits on anything I'm involved with.
And when I ask if they've EVER seen me do any of those things. The answer has always been "No... but I've heard people say it!". Except one time when someone did link to when I exposed someone lying out their ass. And I asked "Well, WERE they lying?" and got a "Well, yes... but you were kinda mean to them over the fact they were lying..." response.
It does piss me off how big influence fame has when it comes to what people will believe.
When it comes to folio's and artists I've exposed, I have a 100 % credibility rating so far. I have not been wrong ONCE.
Heck, even most of my wild accusations has turned out to be true. Not all of those has come true. But when I have over 80 % accuracy on just guessing...
What does tick me off even further is the justifications people give though.
With artists that have been proven to be pathological liars, that just spews shit non-stop. Their gullible fans trust them wholeheartedly as "They're famous, why would they lie?", "Well, they MIGHT not be lying this time" and/or "Why would they lie about incriminating evidence that makes them look like a complete ass? What do they have to gain from that?"
And then turn around to me, point at my flawless record and go "Oh yeah? Well, you COULD be lying, THIS TIME! Using all your built up credibility over the years, JUST to make this next artist you expose look bad." Since yeah... I'd TOTALLY toil away for years with nothing to gain except selflessly helping others, simply to build up to a moment where I, one time, can throw someone under the bus. In a manner that could be debunked in minutes, as: unlike EVERY. OTHER. CASE; I wouldn't have the evidence and facts to back it up. And would have to resort to what my opposition does: lie about it, and hope people will believe it on hearsay, and NOT investigate.
So, yeah. It DOES grind my gears that famous people gets a free pass on that. Having their fans be immediately sceptical and rejecting any evidence provided, not even bothering to look at it. As their dear leader told them not to. And how it's just "fake news". And mind you: This was way before that term was even a thing. I mean jebus fuck: People brazenly lie out in the open, then brags about it right after! They are that used to getting away with it.
Especially to have people come up and question me about "What's so bad about blindly following orders without thinking for myself? It's very convenient!"
But yeah... bit extra bitchy edition rant today xP
I do get a bit personally insulted when people decline a commission, trying new things, or even simply just: improving as an artist. As they are afraid of backlash from the status quo. Or that I would yell at them. Based on nothing more than hearing people "tell them about it."
But seriously, the 18+ fandom? YOU created this. You're just gonna have to deal with it.
I know very well that most people are complacent, have no standard when it comes to female genitalia or the like. Along with the blatant hypocrisy and discrimination towards female characters. (Seriously, any fandom where someone can say something like "Yeah, I don't draw ex: black women, cuz I only draw normal, attractive women." and everyone nods and agrees at that being a "totally legit/reasonable." excuse.) or have people claim that "nobody cares", to the next second throw a tantrum over that exact thing. (like: claim that "nobody cares" what genitals you put on your MLP. To then flip their shit when someone tried to put a human penis on one.)
I have seen SOME progress though. The "Wait a minute..." ordeals are starting to creep up slowly. Which is really nice.
Some are finally starting to wise to things like "Wait, if I pay the same for female as male, why am I only getting 2/3'rd of the service?".
Then again, we still have people bragging about essentially throwing money into the lake... like with one of the recent hack animators: Someone LITERALLY gloated about how the artist over-charges money, and "how they made over 500 $ on this animation" to excuse the fact that the animator cannot draw proper females, and actively discriminates against them. ATOP admitting taking money from the ones that purchase females, and put ~30 % of it into the males. (The number is just a rough estimate.) Like... are you shitting me? You're proud over paying extra, just to get less, and be banned from having your female character both climax, and be allowed to chose genitalia for them?
->
That's like bragging about being to a restaurant that refused to serve you desert, but still insisted of charging you for it, so that they could give your desert to some other customer and force you to watch them eat it. Atop not letting you order, just going "You'll eat what the chef decides to give you!" and then go on talking about how much money you paid for the dinner. And when told that the chef behind your back said they'd NEVER eat at their own restaurant. You just gloat and go "Yeah... I bet they wouldn't~" as if that's a good thing.
