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Soft Vore Conundrum
16 years ago
If you like to roleplay the act of swallowing other creatures whole, without any consequences of any kind, justifying this behavior with magical resurrection or what have you, and eroticize this, and you eat burgers made from ground dead animal, and you condemn others killing certain specific animals, also for food....
....then what's wrong with you?
1) Why do you condemn people who point out the inherent sickness of removing consequence from a death-causing act?
2) On what moral principal can you condemn someone who is sexually attracted to those nasty consequences of the act, when you, yourself, are forced to whitewash the reality of the act to justify it?
3) Given that humans are animals too, that they are in fact higher-order, social primates, how can you, without hypocrisy, tar and feather those who slaughter animals like horses and whales for food, when you, in fact, are complicit in the murder of untold piles of "unimportant" animals to feed your triple-burger Wendy's habit?
For my part? I can understand soft vore as a "willing suspension of disbelief" act, and just eroticizing parts of the act. That makes sense to me.
If you do that, and also throw rocks at other people for their preferences and call them sick or twisted, then it appears to me that you're being pretty inherently immoral. If you have to take all of the reality out of the act in order to obtain sexual gratification from it, why not walk your talk about the importance of morality, and give up hurting other creatures, or at least, laying off people who're making animals into food, where an absolutely moral justification can be made for that behavior.
Think: Equine slaughterhouses.
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Discuss.
....then what's wrong with you?
1) Why do you condemn people who point out the inherent sickness of removing consequence from a death-causing act?
2) On what moral principal can you condemn someone who is sexually attracted to those nasty consequences of the act, when you, yourself, are forced to whitewash the reality of the act to justify it?
3) Given that humans are animals too, that they are in fact higher-order, social primates, how can you, without hypocrisy, tar and feather those who slaughter animals like horses and whales for food, when you, in fact, are complicit in the murder of untold piles of "unimportant" animals to feed your triple-burger Wendy's habit?
For my part? I can understand soft vore as a "willing suspension of disbelief" act, and just eroticizing parts of the act. That makes sense to me.
If you do that, and also throw rocks at other people for their preferences and call them sick or twisted, then it appears to me that you're being pretty inherently immoral. If you have to take all of the reality out of the act in order to obtain sexual gratification from it, why not walk your talk about the importance of morality, and give up hurting other creatures, or at least, laying off people who're making animals into food, where an absolutely moral justification can be made for that behavior.
Think: Equine slaughterhouses.
....
Discuss.
Awww, I was hoping this would be a discussion about vore, not a 'don't throw stones, lest glass shards rain down on ye' lecture... :(
If you use the same criterion for evaluation of both behaviors in a virtual context, they have an equal justification using that method.
I figured I'd just go ahead and point out the flaw in the inevitable, "but it isn't real, so it's okay", argument that always comes up...
Doing it, if you feel you want to do it: Fine. But how can you justify condemning someone else who's using the same logic that you're using, and furthermore, how can you justify very real predatory behavior, in reality, where creatures -do- get hurt, if the practice is so reprehensible as to be unapproachable in a fictional, pretend context.
(but then, my memory has more holes than a sieve, so I'm not a reliable source)
I'm perfectly aware that this fetish is pretty fucked up, yet it still turns me on.
And thus I have no leg to stand on when criticizing someone else for having an unusual interest.
This may not be a lecture, but the tone you put forth is a bit... aggressive for a discussion topic.
I apologize.
i see now that you were defending your beloved from thoughtless attacks, and for that, your approach was entirely understandable.
No harm, no foul, about the whole thing. :) I appreciate that you came to take a peek, and more so that we were able to come around to a friendly understanding.
I don't produce drippingly awesome cockporn, so socialization of any kind is awesome. I just hope I didn't put a dent in a good day for you!
so it was a pleasure to converse with you, and i'm very pleased that a simple misunderstanding did not devolve into an internet shouting match.
The moment something happens in THE REAL WORLD where someone gets hurt or abused, THAT is when people can start getting judgmental.
Especially when nine times out of ten, the poster of the journal did NOT mean you specifically, but you >may< have been one of the many people doing this sort of silliness that got him to the point of needing to vent about it.
If you have non-mundane interests, then suck them up, and leave other people with different ones alone. Leave different folks to their different strokes.
ok. I get a few 'please start writing some normal sex again' requests. But nicely.
I've yet to get a 'why do you hate dragons. What do you have against my kin!' tirade.
Though if I did I'd probably just laugh.
1). Actually haven't hit many. For some I've talked to, death is squicky. Buried in a tight tummy = hawt. *shrug* kinks are silly and illogical. One furs suick is another furs fap.
2. I dont think there would be any. Just good ol' hypocrisy. Don't worry, thing A I do is cool. But doing A+B (hard instead of soft, for example). Now you're a freak. Man I'm glad I'm not like those freaks. Now eat me bitch. But no digesting. That's nasty. =P
3. Whales, horses, cats and dogs are cute. Ugly smelly cows aren't. Actually.
Most probably don't think of where that Wendy burger came from. It just magically appears. Precooked in extra grease. I'm not keen on hunting, but I can't see a moral justification against it (as long as ecology is maintained). Though hunting amuses me. Look at this beautiful nature son. See that proud buck. Try to blow his lungs out so he dies slower so the meat is tastier. o.O
But vegetarian vore fans make me giggle. It's kinda absurd. Of course, I'm pondering going more vegetarian. But for economic reasons. Tofulopes are just cheaper to hunt =D
Thank you for a really insightful two cents. :) You put a smile on my face!
WRT kink-openness: I'm weird in that even things that I'm very much not into, I do like aspects of the mental puzzle that exists behind it. I sometimes don't like where those things -take- me, mind you, but the journey is always interesting.
WRT NC things- particular NC in combination with harder, nastier, bloody things- there's much in the human artistic and cultural tradition that puts such wicked bloodthirstiness at the core of the whole continuum of art.
Theologians whose stock in trade is original sin are right about the fallenness of "man", but for the wrong reason. What they perceive as a mystically-created taint, isn't anything more than the animal we have living inside us all. I'm one of the less violent people that I know: I get angry when people do violence to inanimate objects in anger, and when I get angry enough to throw something, I'm aghast at myself for that failing... but the subconscious gruesomeness that's in our minds? I never get tired of learning more about it, and of exploring it.. but because of the sorts of people who're perfectly happy to pantomime predation and in the same breath condemn things I write as leery and indicative of a broken mind? I censor myself.
I think, deep down, that's where the core of my frustration with this behavior in my cohorts lies.
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And now it's time for burritos. :)
Just have frozen pizza here at work.
Good luck on finding why people act so silly. But my one word response is hypocrisy. Same reason we can find anti-gay think of the children politicians soliciting sex in public restrooms.
Which is gross if you think about it. Those places never get cleaned well. About the most unsexy place to be.
...
I should write a story with some public restroom banging sometime =D
I'm also suspecting that public restrooms didn't use to be quite as foul as they are these days. When Larry Craig rocked his stall, it got me to wondering about the culture of the adult-bookstore/tearoom hookup, because I did some things I probably shouldn't when I was way younger, too, and wondered: How did this come to be?
I highly recommend Laud Humphries' "Tearoom Trade". He wrote it as a thesis in 1970, so it's dated, but in that it's dated, is where the interest in it comes from for me. It's inherently flawed: he masqueraded as a voyeur and didn't get consent from his research subjects.. but it's a very clinical picture that analyzes a lot, and provides confirmation of, a lot of the interesting suspicions people have about places like that. Stuff like: More than 50% of the guys who go to places like that are straight. :)
h...hey! I'm not gay!
It's ok, we can't all be perfect *unf!*
"being top of the food chain means: Your cute fluffy cat would eat you if it only could" :P
Dead crazy cat ladies = delicious, tasty food.