you havent completely done so tho

tl;dr the fandom isn't tolerant toward Nazis and their sympathizers.
Good.

That....wasnt even mentioned. But alright

>Foxler
>Crusader Cat
>Furry Raiders
I dunno if you're naive or willfully disingenuous but I'm gonna say both.

You can say whatever you wish. It's not like I dont already get accused of such

I mean your persona is a cop. Your purpose is to protect Nazis and ensure that those who fight them and prevent them from gaining power are violently suppressed. So I don't blame you for licking Nazi boots. It's your occupation. It's what your fursona is paid to do. I don't think you yourself are a Nazi but I'm pretty damn sure you'd rather have Nazis gain power and start another Holocaust than have Antifa defeat them. It's pretty clear you see Nazis as the lesser evil than their opponents.

So, you're an anarchist? I would protect people be they nazi or commie and those who oppose them from violence because I am not the damn thought police.

I've already exhaustively explained my reasoning in my antifa pic. Have a browse. If you care enough,

No, I'm not an anarchist. I think anarchism is naive. You need hierarchy. But I'm saying about the specific video, not you specifically. Though I do know that your politics are generally toward the right end of the spectrum which is common for police. So to an extent, if police officer is your actual real-life occupation, I don't blame you for being politically right-wing.

I do agree with you on the anarchism bit. See, thats the thing, Im not really all that right winged at all.

I'm socially liberal and really only economically conservative. I care a lot about individual freedom, and it seems like these days not many people care much about it as they only seem to think of people as groups. Their race, sex, orientation, nationality. None of that really matters to me. It's your actions that do.

amen to that dude too much identity politics bullshit and guilt by associations and throwing out buzzwords to feel smart

I find I don't like the weaponization of IdPol for the purpose of deflecting attention from serious problems. As if somehow Hitler would be less oppressive if he were a woman of color and that if he hired more female and PoC concentration camp guards they'd be more humane. Bullshit!

I never made that claim, you did.

Wait, I thought we were agreeing about how IdPol can be a problem. I dunno. I'll just say that a lot of lefties IRL talk shit about SJWs. We have our own problems with them.

We were agreeing, i was just saying i never made the claim that if hitler was a female black lady that his actions would be forgiven you did even if you made the claim sarcastically

Eeyup. Never said you did. But there's a funny sketch of Hitler as a proud woman of color. But I can only find this gif.
https://i.imgur.com/fPLgGR9.gif

lol <3

dont know if you are familiar with stirner and egotist fucks but here is a good meme for ya

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme.....yE8BPrlx-A.png

Stirner memes are very popular among leftists. Stirner's basically the /leftypol/ equivalent to Pepe.

Also when i say identity politics bullshit, i mean whether you are far right conservative, far left liberal, neo liberal, national socialist, national Bolshevik etc

Yeah, the so-called alt-right is basically an IdPol movement. I call them Social Injustice Warriors.

Also keep in mind you are talking to a slightly leaning on the right libertarian here, liberal on most social issues, conservative on some economic issues etc.

I agree, the Alt-Right is basically another identity movement and you cant fight SJWs with SJWs.

I could agree with you on that. Like I follow a right-libertarian on DA called BlameThe1st whom I find agreeing with a lot of the time. He argues that Libertarians and Greens would probably agree with the majority of issues in the end.

Unlike others I do talk to right-wingers. My roommate is probably more right-wing than you though we actually find we agree on a lot. Especially when it comes to talking shit about liberals and Hillary Clinton and Dubya.

One of them got me into the idea of Agorism, which reminds me of the concepts of Dual Power and Mutual Aid.

Licking Nazi boots sounds hot.

*Slow Round of Applause*

Way to prove a point.

Your post is even dumber than your avatar.

Boy oh boy this comment section got political!

eh heheh, See thats exactly my point. Its why people leave the fandom, It's always so polarized. I didnt even intend to it to be political

Guess you just proved the video right, only by posting it here on FA

"Comprised of mainly overgrown spoiled brats who are judgemental as hell and are never happy unless they're showering their derision on somebody." *Slow Clap.*

The only tolerance that can and should be asked for, is the tolerance of differing opinions. Somehow people nowadays get the idea that just because people have an opinion or idea that they personally don't like, that they need to attack them for having the idea instead of the idea itself, should they be that opposed to it. It's easier to go after specific people and bully them off the stage, and when you have people in charge who clearly lean so far to one side that they can't even call out both sides of the whatever current dispute as bad in their own ways.

Politics and Drama are going to take place in every community, there will always be infighting and disputes, the problem with the Furry Community is that they have a tendency to be underhanded and unfair in the "furry court," As it were. And it's for those reasons why the arguments can't stop. In addition, you'll still have people that flat out refuse to learn from history, and even if an idea is logically beaten to the ground to the point where it practically READS as trouble, they'll still rally behind it.

So yeah, this all comes down to the truth that the Furry Community simply isn't as tolerant as they let on because people on both sides will still treat the other side as sub-human and justify all manner of acts that ultimately make them and their cause look worse. I can't say this will cause me to leave the Furry Community, as I truly don't invest myself into any large-scale community, and do everything for my own satisfaction, this can cause a lot of people to leave. The only issue with that is the same degenerates will consider every leaver a 'Victory.' It's gotten to the point where shooting your entire community in the foot is the best way to make a point, a point that may or may not be valid because instead of subjecting it to fair scrutiny, people choose to force the point down our collective throats.

Great read, I agree with you entirely.

I wouldnt suggest anyone leave the fandom if they wish to see it improve. People need to stick around and try and make it better.

Of course, you can only make a garden shine if you take the weeds out, not move the flowers someplace else.

excellent example

politic ruin everything

yeah...

im not sure if im going to say anything(since i dont care for all the bs in the fandom) and everything has a point made by Wick. The Fandom is great and all, but some need to grow up

well there really isnt much else TO say.

aii true, so i'll sit back and must try to have fun here, have a goood day or night, im tired as hell

Talking politics just makes everyone upset with everyone. Agree to disagree, leave it at that and just walk away.

If only it were so easy. I think everyone gets caught up in it once in a while. It's hard to resist

It is easy, just don't talk about it. Don't need to surround oneself with those kinds.

The only sure fire way to avoid that is to avoid everyone.

Without risk there is no reward. Choose your path wisely.

Don't I always? :P

I don't know, have you?

I would like to think so. I haven never backed away form any choices Ive made.

It was meant as a question of self-refection.

Yeah, I got that. and I said. I like to think I do.

That's what happens at half past 3am. The brain is sleeping, the body is not. This bear needs to hibernate.

come hibernate in my bed ;3

I'm in the furry community because I believe one is lying to hisself if he thinks having a plethora of animal characters that he identifies with does not make him a furry.
My non-tolerance would be with me even if I wasn't a furry, maybe even worse than non-tolerance if I weren't a furry, haha

reminds me of a comic.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images.....29/891/358.jpg

I welcome the hate. I've been here for 14 fucking years. I've made a reputation. Come at me Xxydek.

And i have loved seeing you all 14 of those years~

<3

Kinda why I (usually) ignore all the bullshit and just go about my own business when it comes to this fandom.

Bringing in religion and politics is just asking for trouble... let alone arguing it, because no one is going change someone else's mind. So it's just pointless bickering for the sake of bickering.

But thats what furries are good at. Bickering

Yes.. yes I know.
It gets old after a few weeks, let alone 20 or so years.

I just want my cartoons, video games and porn!

Honestly, I just try to avoid it altogether unless we're shittalking/cracking jokes or I'm reading some interesting articles. But I'm not gonna lie and say I've never gotten into any heated political debates with anyone, as you could probably tell by now.

That being said, here are my thoughts on the whole thing. In terms of Nazis, I won't punch one, mainly because it's too much energy to punch someone, but I wish that they'd come to learn to believe that everyone is equal and stop being Nazis and go around to consider every race equal and seek making things right with everyone. Though sadly, some people will just remain hateful. And while I understand why people don't want Nazi's to grow, I'd just talk to the people they're trying to recruit and warn them and let them know that they don't have to join the group to feel validated as an individual. I don't know too much about Antifa, still, and at this point I don't bother to care much anymore. As for BLM, I still follow the principle that black lives do matter and that I wish the extremists that gave the group such a bad name would notice the shit they do and stop it and if they refuse to, then they should leave the group, not the people who want to make the statement it originally was created for. I believe in "The best way to defeat an enemy is by making him your friend", but if it gets pushed too far, I'm not afraid of the principle of "Momma said knock you out". Basically, I just hope the person learns to be a good person, and I'll either be cool with them or just be chill and keep my distance, until they put their hands on me. After that, it's fair game and spoiler alert: you'll be needing a Wal-Mart bag to pick up your teeth from the ground.

But in terms of drama, here is also my take on it: I just ignore/mute/block and keep it moving. Unless someone I care about gets hurt and/or someone puts their hands on me, I'm just gonna keep that shit off of my feed. However, I also believe that for anyone that's a hateful person, takes pride in it and refuses to learn, I am heartbroken and I feel absolutely sorry for you. I hate hate. I don't get it. it's too much effort to be hateful and the main reason why is not only because they're full of hate, but it can affect the people I love. For people like child molesters, terrorists (or lone wolfs, mass murderers, w/e people wanna call them now), active racists and crooked people, I understand and I have mixed feelings of broken heart in that they could have been a better person, and lack of sympathy in hoping they are buried and quickly forgotten about with no one to miss them.

So ultimately, what do I do in terms of stuff like drama? I just ignore it. I like to be positive, so I avoid talking about the things I hate and start talking about the things I love and enjoy. That way, people can look at the stuff they love and not at the things they hate. The things they hate will get lack of attention and die off, and people are much happier in the world. Appreciate the people you love and enjoy being around. Unless you call me out of my name or go out of your way to insult or test my waters, I won't have an issue with you.

Think of it like back in the days of gaming when we had online passes, where you had to pay a small fee just to play online, that could have been on top of paying for online itself if you had Xbox Live at the time. We stopped fucking with that and supported games that didn't have it. While it deals with more monetary value, the concept is very similar. The games nowadays are still in a somewhat bind, but imagine if everyone didn't let online passes out and it was still going. Then you'd have to pay for online, pay for the game and then pay for an online pass just to play a game you might not have liked.

That's my take on the matter.

P.S. Love ya a bunchies, Zacky. A friend I'm glad to have.

I've always tried to view the furry fandom as a form of escapism, sadly due to the recent climate I don't think it's possible anymore. Trust me I think a lot of people in the fandom are nice, talented and funny. However, due to the push of a more hive minded attitude be it left or right politically it's become more of a disappointment. My attitude as I've grown older is simply don't be a dick but now I'm being pushed to say I am group with X or I'll be put on a list.

Individuality is what made the fandom, to me anyway, on a personal level more interesting and if we didn't agree with each other we just continued with life as normal to an extent. I've seen people leave for a multitude of reasons, freedom of thought just seems to be added to the list now.

To be fair, I feel that a lot of the expectations mentioned are a very naive view of a fandom of individuals.
I've never heard of any fandom that actually has this perfect "big happy family" thing going for them and since he doesn't really give any examples and simply states that there are, it makes me skeptical and again makes me think of the individual having a naive view of things.

As for the whole "If you are not with us, you are against us" groups labeling people, they have a very narrow world view if not a very toxic one at that. I will not involve myself with any one person wanting to push these ideologies as I find them inherently flawed and often hypocritical. I personally try to ignore rumors and reputations, as hard as that may be. I'd rather make my own judgments about a person, and not blindly follow what I've been told about them.

I don't know what side you fall on in all this or what your views are on the whole notice besides the hard truth, but you seem like you got your head on right as far as I can tell owo-b

PS: I don't know who started the whole "We are the most accepting community out there" rumor nor who keeps perpetuating it, but as with any fandom there are the good and there are the bad. And in my personal experience, I've had more of the good then the bad, so I guess I can call myself lucky in this case.

I'm not so sure who started it either. But I dont think its naive to feel like thats how the fandom presents itself. I also found out that apparently only 4% of the fandom thinks its about porn. Wen evidence shows that is more like 4% dont think its about porn. Cause its everywhere.

I think the fandom as a whole keeps trying to present itself as something it just isnt. I dont think we can blame specific individuals for this.

I do get that, yeah. I'd still personally see taking the whole "most accepting fandom" at face value is a bit naive by the writer of the notice, but I probably saw it with those naive eyes once when I first joined myself. It is hard to say for sure and that is simply my current view on it as I realize that the whole fandom consists of individuals, so it is impossible to have the whole picture perfect fandom who is all accepting of everything.

I genuinely have heard so many conflicting stories about the whole percentage of the community is about porn deal. Like I know many of the mainstream interviews with furries spin that whole "only a small minority of the fandom is about porn" and I've never seen clear proof one way or another to be honest. Like on FA I surround myself with porn, so it is the majority of what I see. But if that is just me or the fandom in general I can't tell. However, personally I think it isn't a black and white issue, but more of a gray area, a healthy mix of porn stuff and non porn stuff xD

You might very well be right about that, I do see that view with that in mind. I do think the fandom is presenting itself as something it isn't for sure. Hmm... You are right, it would be impossible to blame the individuals for the whole presentation as it is. I just think it is important to keep in mind that any fandom consists of individuals, so there will always be a mixed bag no matter what presentation the fandom promotes. Or so I think.

Sorry, I didn't mean to make this into a super heavy discussion, but I am glad to hear your reply!
Keep being an awesome bun, Zack!

i enjoy discussion so it was really no trouble at all :3

It is a good way of understanding different perspectives after all x3
All I can really say is thank you for the civil discussion <3

"why people abandon the furry fandom"

There are furries in it, that's why