The Issues With The Current FA Policy
8 years ago
General
So, this was again brought up to my attention: The current system primarily benefits dishonest people. Anywhere from simply a hack or scam artist. All the way up to people such as art thieves and impersonators.
As, we can start with the more obvious one: To make an example; Say I'm an art thief. I steal someone's work, and re-upload it here. And/or re-sell it.
If the original artist, or anyone else tries to put up a warning off "This is not me! Don't trust this account!" I would have complete right in having that journal taken down for harassment against me. And giving the artist a strike on their account. Because they are making claims about my account, that I did not give explicit permission for. If they are true or not are irrelevant. If I don't approve of what is being said, I have a right to have it taken down.
Same goes for if I am notorious on another site for accepting commissions and never deliver on them. If you try to warn someone to not purchase from me. I will hit you with a takedown and win. As the rules are on my side.
For both of these, and similar. The only thing you are allowed to do: Is file a complaint to an admin. Which, can take anywhere from 2 days to 2+ weeks.
And speaking from experience: I'm sure most of you can tell that you can get A LOT done during that time.
And if we step back from illegal activity. We can look at things that are just in the "dick move" category, so to speak.
Like: Say I offer 20 $ pin-ups or crotch shots. Advertising them with a fully colored, fully shaded picture.
I am fully within my right to then only give out sketches for that price. And/or refuse to draw the genitalia you are asking for.
As long as I slap a "No refunds" on there, and use vague language. As you as you don't ask for it. I don't have to enclose any information.
You have no right to complain if it's a sketch, as you never asked if it was gonna be in color. Or: When linking your character ref, you never said I HAD to draw that specific animal genitalia. Likewise, if I have a "Any species. Any gender" separated, I am permitted to discriminate based on combination of those two. Since I never said I drew any gender OF any species.
And then, if you get upset and want to tell other users about this, then: Tough shit. It's your fault for not asking the correct specific questions. You have no right to express displeasure with your purchase, because that might harm my future sales.
This is basically letting the banks self-regulate. Since you know, they obviously have the customers best self-interest in mind.
But heck, this goes both ways. In case I'd "purchase" art and not pay, or do that "withdrawal" thing. You're likewise not allowed to speak up. Because then you would be harassing me.
I think the idea behind this is a good one, but it's kinda f*d in how it's being implemented.
I've seen dozens of artists advertise for sale of art, while openly discriminating against certain people (like that they "Only draw normal, attractive women." and thus, won't draw black women.) Or have hidden fee's or ToS, that they don't disclose in their commission info, as that makes them look bad. So instead, they opt for only saying those things if directly asked about. Usually only in private.
I would suggest that we remove this being a 0 tolerance thing. As it's currently only being exploited.
As said, the idea is good. But it needs some moderation. Just like with ex: youtube algorithms. You need a common sense to differentiate certain things. (Though, as Deadpool puts it: "So rare it's a god damn superpower"xD) Context IS important.
Admins are already being forced to read through journals and comments. Wouldn't be much to instead ask for them to differentiate between slander, "harassment", hate speech and etc. And actual critique, negative reviews and "head's up"'s.
As, we can start with the more obvious one: To make an example; Say I'm an art thief. I steal someone's work, and re-upload it here. And/or re-sell it.
If the original artist, or anyone else tries to put up a warning off "This is not me! Don't trust this account!" I would have complete right in having that journal taken down for harassment against me. And giving the artist a strike on their account. Because they are making claims about my account, that I did not give explicit permission for. If they are true or not are irrelevant. If I don't approve of what is being said, I have a right to have it taken down.
Same goes for if I am notorious on another site for accepting commissions and never deliver on them. If you try to warn someone to not purchase from me. I will hit you with a takedown and win. As the rules are on my side.
For both of these, and similar. The only thing you are allowed to do: Is file a complaint to an admin. Which, can take anywhere from 2 days to 2+ weeks.
And speaking from experience: I'm sure most of you can tell that you can get A LOT done during that time.
And if we step back from illegal activity. We can look at things that are just in the "dick move" category, so to speak.
Like: Say I offer 20 $ pin-ups or crotch shots. Advertising them with a fully colored, fully shaded picture.
I am fully within my right to then only give out sketches for that price. And/or refuse to draw the genitalia you are asking for.
As long as I slap a "No refunds" on there, and use vague language. As you as you don't ask for it. I don't have to enclose any information.
You have no right to complain if it's a sketch, as you never asked if it was gonna be in color. Or: When linking your character ref, you never said I HAD to draw that specific animal genitalia. Likewise, if I have a "Any species. Any gender" separated, I am permitted to discriminate based on combination of those two. Since I never said I drew any gender OF any species.
And then, if you get upset and want to tell other users about this, then: Tough shit. It's your fault for not asking the correct specific questions. You have no right to express displeasure with your purchase, because that might harm my future sales.
This is basically letting the banks self-regulate. Since you know, they obviously have the customers best self-interest in mind.
But heck, this goes both ways. In case I'd "purchase" art and not pay, or do that "withdrawal" thing. You're likewise not allowed to speak up. Because then you would be harassing me.
I think the idea behind this is a good one, but it's kinda f*d in how it's being implemented.
I've seen dozens of artists advertise for sale of art, while openly discriminating against certain people (like that they "Only draw normal, attractive women." and thus, won't draw black women.) Or have hidden fee's or ToS, that they don't disclose in their commission info, as that makes them look bad. So instead, they opt for only saying those things if directly asked about. Usually only in private.
I would suggest that we remove this being a 0 tolerance thing. As it's currently only being exploited.
As said, the idea is good. But it needs some moderation. Just like with ex: youtube algorithms. You need a common sense to differentiate certain things. (Though, as Deadpool puts it: "So rare it's a god damn superpower"xD) Context IS important.
Admins are already being forced to read through journals and comments. Wouldn't be much to instead ask for them to differentiate between slander, "harassment", hate speech and etc. And actual critique, negative reviews and "head's up"'s.
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Artists don't get the 101 of business and customer support. They're good at drawing, not so much running a business.
Especially when it comes to their you know what hehe.
Admins already have to go through any mentioned journal. Doesn't take much extra to sprinkle in some human judgement in there.