What have they done ?

Nothing that justifies the insane amount of hate it's getting. Most people can't even see the difference until it's put side by side... And even then most can't tell which is supposed to be the "ugly" version.

All that's really wrong with it that they charge more for it than they do the mobile version... Which the Steam version is just a port of. Just like the Steam version of every other Square SNES RPG, which makes me wonder why anyone expected anything different here.

It's not that it's ugly. It's that it's literally a port of the mobile version, no more and no less, not optimized for the PC in the least bit. It was the laziest possible way to do a port. And that's what people are so salty about.

Like I said, that's how all of the Square SNES RPGs have been ported. Why would you expect anything less.

The majority of the hate has centered on it being ugly, not simply that it's just a port of the mobile version. I have played it, and while it's not ideal, there is nothing wrong with it as it was released. Or to be more accurate, nothing is wrong with it that justifies the amount of hate it's getting.

I guess we just think that one of the greatest games Square has ever made deserves more than a token effort.

Contrary to what those of us who love those old games want to believe, the interest in retro gaming is a very niche market. It is difficult to justify putting major effort into them as the expected income is extremely small. That is why the efforts put into it are so small.

Now, it's worth noting that all this complaining MIGHT lead to something better - the game's original director is using the complaints, plus his clout with Square, as a springboard to push for an actual remaster to be made. But don't get your hopes up for it - such a project will have the same niche market as this release did, so it's highly unlikely it will happen.

i tihnk the uglyness comes from it has these gigant stupid buttons on screen that may made sens on android or tutch device but has no home on pc verson with should be more to the console version

Actually, it's mostly down to the graphical filters when it comes to alleged "ugliness."

that can be a aspect to as most those retro filters on older games are horrible
as instance as all uses scanlines when a blur effect would done the job much better and represent the game better as most crt tvs dint have those lines (worked on it but dint display it) so images was softer looking due to it

some of the new high rez ports i seen of games actually ruins some old 3d titels as they look with super crisp grafics more barren and sterile as the low rezolution in a game like shadow of colossus caused a artefakt to be created in grass making it look more alive, then ps3 port its to crisp and looks bad due to it.

"They're all crap, why expect better"

Is that really the argument you want to go with? It's getting hate because it's one of the best and most well loved JRPGs in gaming history and it deserved better for its PC release than a limited time cheap port from the mobile version where you use your mouse to "tap" the screen. It deserved better than the forced and non-removable awful filter put on top. It deserved better than the utter lack of resolution options or just options in general.

When a pirated ROM of the game running on ZSNES gives the gamer a better experience than the paid-for version, you've screwed up completely.

Whine whine whine.

Just because it's not what you wanted doesn't mean it deserves to be shat all over like this. There is, quite simply, not enough money in the retro gaming market to justify what you wanted out of it(Nintendo cheaped out BIG TIME in the NES and SNES Classics to make sure they'd still make money). CT is my all-time favorite JRPG but I'm not gonna get all butthurt because Square didn't want to spend money there was a slim chance of making back.

The game is it is tickles my nostalgia bone more than sufficiently. Just plug in a gamepad and enjoy the memories.

Who's shitting all over it? I'm pointing out all the things that are wrong with the port and explaining that it's not just the way it looks that people have a problem with, which is the narrative you're peddling.

And I very much doubt Chrono Trigger of all things wouldn't make enough money by porting the original properly onto Steam. Hell, if they'd just bundled the ROM with an emulator and charged £5-10 for it it would have been a better product.

I'm not referring to you specifically, I'm referring to the overall situation.

No, Chrono Trigger is not any more likely than anything else to make money with a "proper" port. IF it was, they'd have done it.

The thing with retro gaming is that the people who could really make that niche of the market rain money...don't want to. They insist the only way to play is on the original system - no emulators, no rereleases, not even a NES or SNES Classic. The classic gaming niche is EXTREMELY tiny, and only about half of it is actually willing to buy the games no matter what sort of effort is put into the port

Mobile ports get made because the "nothing can beat a tablet or smartphone" idiots see something like that and shit their pants in amazement over such "interesting and innovative" games. The result is a version of the game that can be easily ported to the PC, so they do it to make a few extra bucks. It's the only reason this stuff happens at all.

You don't really have much to say except for sweeping generalisations without any actual numbers or proof to back them up, huh.

IT's a simple reality of business. If there was big money to be made in the market, they'd be tapping it big time. But they don't. Do the math.

Maths*
Also, it doesn't need to be big money, just needs to make a profit. And considering they were charging £15 for a 20 year old game, I think they'd come out alright.

If it doesn't turn a big profit, it's not worth it to a big company. Even at that price, they have to sell a LOT to make a big profit.

Also, it doesn't need to be big money, just needs to make a profit.

That's a common misconception. It doesn't simply need to make money, it needs to make enough money that it's worth more than doing something else. Heck, it needs to make enough that it's worth more than doing 'nothing' with the money you would have spent and just leaving it in a relatively liquid investment¹.

Any time you start something in business to make money, you have to consider the opportunity cost of not being able to do something else.


1: And not just edge that out either, low-risk liquid investments give you a good amount of value in being flexible.

What did you expect from Modern Square Enix?

If you think that's bad you should see what they did to the classic pre 7 final fantasies.

Let's not forget that they never actually delivered that HD Final Fantasy 7 they promised for PS3.

I kinda don't think that was ever a thing if your talking about that recreation of ff7's intro, it was basically a tech demo.
However it did spark interest in whatever their doing with ff7 now.

They never promised that. They made a tech demo for the PS3, nothing more. People just assumed that was confirmation of a FF7 remake when it was never anything of the sort.

In fact until the remake was announced their stance was "We're not doing it because it's an unwinnable situation", something I fully agreed with them on. But then they went and did it anyway

what did they make a poorly built remake?

poorly build is an understatement.

Its a port of the mobile version, and its a mess.

That's kind of surprising. I'd think that porting the ps1 version would have been more reasonable, but I guess they wanted to go for clickability.

reason one does that is purely due to android engein code can be fast ported true port programs, often with added features as random crashing, and you dont have to spend much money either

I'll buy it once it's on sale for about the same price as the actual mobile version... Because there isn't actually anything truly wrong with it aside from the price. People need to chill.

From what I'm seeing in screenshots, the UI looks kind of ugly by comparison, but everything else looks the same. Is there an option to use the old style for that?

Not my knowledge. My hands-on experience with my coworker's copy was a bit short-lived, and the UI is the only real complaint I have. But it's notwhere near as bad as people claim - just takes a little adjustment period and I was rolling along happily reliving childhood memories.

No, the game's not any kind of ideal port(thus why I'll wait until it's prices comparatively to the mobile release before buying), but the hate is extremely overblown.

Good luck, it's only on Steam for a couple of months.

Well i will stick to my DS version

Same

I think the saddest part of this all is that one person in this thread who is all like, 'Meh, what did you expect?'

It's people like this who made EA into such a huge company, because 'Eh, who cares, right? Just gimme games; I don't care HOW you give them to me!'

Just taking everything that gaming companies thrw at you, then throwing them money in return tells them you don't really care what they throw at you... as as you react that way, they stop even trying to make a good port ot remaster or new game. Instead you get bad ot horrible ports like this, or TONS of remasters (because gods forbid spending money on something new! That rewuires thinking and work!) or super shitty game concepts like the lootbox heavy game design behind Battlefield 2.

I appreciate that the business model says games have to turn a profit. But why do people buy games in the first place? To be dissappointed? To grumble and feel stress and annoyance, then never play the game again? To feed their paychecks into some game devs pockets? No. They play games to have an experience. To have fun. To feel challenged in a good way. To be transported from their shitty lives into another persona for a short while, and explore a world full of amazing sights, loveable characters, and wonderous powers. No one WANTS to have to talk about all this bullshit dealing with appearances and ports and the desecration of beloved games of the past. All they want is something new and enjoyable, like that recent Zelda game, or the new Monster Hunter, or the one with the robotic wildlife.

Every time someone takes the stance that it's perfectly normal and expected for devs and gaming companies to release crap games, those companies lower the bar a bit more, and wait for people to think THAT is all you can expect from them... and then they lower it a bit more. Sure sometimes they go too far, but they fall back *just* enough to make people think they've learned their lesson, then go right back to trying for the bare bones of what even qualifies as a game and still charge you full price for it AND put in things you need to buy, like the new Metal Gear Survive game, which takes a franchise (Metal Gear) smushes it together with a game play type (survival horror with zombies) and then CHARGES YOU $10 JUST TO HAVE A SECOND SAVE SLOT. This is NOT ok, and no one should see stuff like this happening and just shurg and say 'What else can you expect?'. That's what they WANT you to do, so they can try cutting things back even more next time.

I remember the original Chrono Trigger. It was one of my favorite games of all time, and if they were going to port it to the PC, it should have gotten the treatment that it deserves. If they instead ported a fuckin CELL PNONE GAME to a PC platform and are only keeping it up for a short time, guess what? They're testing the waters to see if they can do that again and make money. Anyone who is buying that game on Steam is telling them 'Why yes... I DO want to play games no more sophisticated than a cell phone game on my PC! Here, take my money!'. They're also encouraging the game companies to not even try harder, since.... why bother? We can get money from the stupid masses for anything. Look at them eatin it up!

For anyone feeling like arguing the fact, lets put this in a different perspective for a moment. You go to a corner store and order a sandwich. It's perfect; just the right amount of meat, bread, mayo, mustard, whatever it is makes a great sandwich for you. You happily pay for it and leave. You buy several from the various stores in your area, and they're all good; some of them are great.

Then one day, you go to that first store and they don't put one of the ingredients on the sandwich, but they charge you the same. And then a few weeks later, another one is missing, but the price stays the same. You ask what's going on and they tell you those things don't come on the sandwich anymore... but you cn pay extra if you want them. It's only a little more money. Soon everyone is doing it.

Then you go a few months later and the meat on the sandwich is all wrong. Either it's a tad rancid, or it's not even the meat you asked for. By this time, all the toppings for the sandwich have separate charges... you only get the bread and meat for the price (which is still the same as the full deal was long ago), and now the meat is wrong. Do you complain? ...or do you take that shity sandwich, shrug and say 'Well, what can you expect?' and keep coming back for more?

Well said.

I'd rather play the SNES game in it's ORIGINAL FORMAT than get it on STEAM.

Even if it means searching at Game Stops or pawn shops... or online with ebay.

but this might resurge its popularity :(

also the recent patches (more to come) are making it quite bearable.

I have heard about the patches and I am carefully optimistic they can repair the damagage that has been done.

I too wish a resurgence im populairity for a game that, as I tried to illustrate in this journal, is like a old friend to me that has a very special place in my heart.

This really should have been the definitive ultimate edition of Chrono Trigger and I hope that one day it will be.

Then it wil get its place in my steam library.

Well I recently beat the main game and I have to say aside from some missing options it's not that bad. Everything controls all right. There may be one or two new features which don't really detract from the game that much except for highs resolution mode which frankly still looks ugly. I also could not find an option to turn off the anime cutscenes. Not that I mind them understand, but they cause programs like obs to crash if you try to stream or record the game.

Like I said it doesn't really offer anything especially new that the DS version didn't but I think it has surpassed the mobile Port that is based on

If nothing elae, a resurge in popularity might resultvin more cosplay too.

I cosplay Magus currently so that'd be nice