With artist's consent i think it's very helpful!

Of course with consent. Moreover, at the request of the artist himself))

Critique and feedback are an important part of learning in any subject.

Yeeees definitely! I think it can help alot!

seems like step-by-step and video processes are more popular

Hmmmyea well. If I watch speedpaints or step-by-steps I want to see how the artist does certain things - Like I want to know how their style works
but redlines are more of an anatomy thing, and I'm sure alot of people would like help with that :) So yea... Redlines are more "difficult" to do, since you work with someone elses illustrations and criticise it to make it better :) and they're a lot more personal since it requires communication between the pupil and the "mentor" - if you want to see it like that ^-^
While speedpaints are just recordings of your drawing process (which is awesome as well haha)

I would like to add in I really appreciate Lilith pointing out my errors in my art so far :)
i haven't drawn much since to try and get better but that's just me working too much.

ooh it definitely can help ! it's always nice to have some critique from another artist :)

Of course it can be helpful! :3

i guess

You don't have to ask first, but people usually respond better to advice when they want it, and only when they want it. I try to do it for people who want to learn and care about getting better, redlining random strangers' work is just a waste of time.

Oh no, I'm not going to bother people with suggestions to make a redline or giving them uninvited advices, no :D

Videos and step-by-steps are more popular because they're more general and anyone can learn from them. Redlines are more personalised and usually help just the artist who is being redlined. Other people might learn from the redline, yeah, but the mistakes that are being corrected might be something unique to the artist who is being corrected. That said, redlines will help the individual artist a lot more than a step-by-step. It's like a personalised mentorship versus a teacher teaching 100+ students.

Oh, I see!
But for the time that I consulted my Russian pupils, I was convinced - a set of mistakes is allways the same :)

I have to agree. In art, I see people make the same mistakes over and over. It's only when people start getting some skill that they create their own, unique, interesting screw-ups. But things like bad anatomy, wrong perspective, confusing lighting, kissing edges, etc, everybody has to learn to see those.

True! And it does not depend on artist's style, for whatever style the basic knowledges are useful, I think

I like step-by-steps as long as the artist shows their tools and explains why they're making the decisions they are. Otherwise, it's not as helpful as it could be.
Redlines are definitely great!

Agree! Step-by-steps are more helpfull for experienced artists who want to see the new technique
But for beginers it is useless because it does not provide understanding of the fundamentals

Be careful. Some artists say they want a critique, but cannot handle it if it is bad, despite your best intentions.

As I said before, I'm NOT going to criticize anyone, who doesn't ask me personally about it! It is useless
Besides, I differentiate criticism and advice. Critique is when you say that everything is bad. And advice is when you say where is the problem and how to fix it

In English, there's a difference between criticism and critique. As you say, criticism is usually negative, but critique, ideally, is supposed to be instructive, pointing out specific things that are bad (also pointing out things that are good). It doesn't necessarily include advice for correcting mistakes, but it can. In America, "critique" is similar to "review" (and in England, what they call "review" we call "studying." English is a mess, I know).

What Keefur was referring to is that some people ask for help and advice, but what they really want is to be told that they're doing everything right, and everybody is just crazy for not liking their work. Those people don't have the emotional framework to improve themselves and will be emotional black holes. Kindly but firmly remind them that you are an artist and teacher, not a therapist.

ooh, thank you very much for explanation! We use the word "critique" more in negative way, and "criticism" is more like analysis

And I agree, this often happens! Maybe it can be solved by some money investment

This is correct. Thanks for explaining it. I ended up working all day on Easter or I would have answered this sooner. I had two funeral programs to work on when I thought I was going to have some time off.

Ooh, redline as a feedback is tremendously helpful for those who doesn't know how to fix their mistakes, desperately trying to find what's wrong. Well, I'd surely love to get some of it, hehe.

Anyone who does not accept criticism or feedback has no business being an artist. If something is posted publicly, anyone has the right to say what they want, even if it's hostile. If they can't handle it, they are in the wrong field because it will happen lol.

Say what you want, if it's here and there's a post box, it can be said. They don't have to like it, but as a target audience, comments can and will as well as should be made. I don't come here expecting to see something mind blowing every time, I come here for variety under a wide spectrum of skill levels and artistic styles.

Eh, I dunno. It really depends on the artist and their goals.

I do agree that people have a right to say what they want, but it isn't always called for. For example, if I see a 7 year old making their first digital piece (or first art piece ever!) then I'm not going to critique it. Why? Because critiques will only discourage them at that point. If they're going to improve, the best way to do that is to encourage them to create more artwork. Pointing out how they messed up the anatomy or the shading will probably just overwhelm them and make art too "hard" for them.

There are also hobbyist artists who don't care about improvement. They're doing art for the enjoyment of it, aren't making money off of it, and just want to have fun with it. Critiquing them is like telling a casual gamer to Git Gud - if someone is just gaming to blow off steam after work, they probably don't care about minmaxing their stats or their DPS.

I 100% agree with you if we're talking about professional artists or art students, though. If they want to make a living off of their artwork in any way, then they need to take it seriously and focus on their improvement. If they're going to get butthurt everytime someone critiques their ~precious babies~ then they're not going to get far.

I've gotten some crap, snarky hatred from left field, before, under the self-described guise of "helpful suggestions." In furry circles, you can get beat up just for drawing the "wrong" animals. You've got to consider the source and be able to evaluate the validity of the criticism. I suppose that might be what you meant by "handle it."

Pretty much. People are going to criticize art in one way or another, there's a lot of angsty people on the internet who are stuck in their own little bubble about it all. An artist (especially online) should be able to let the passion of what they do over ride negativity. If they let some comment like " This is garbage " over ride the passion of the art piece itself, then they can either evaluate why that opinion was made, ignore it, or go sulk about it for a week and give up. It's a critical field because it's all subjective, and subjective views are wide open for opinions that may or may not matter to the artist.

As a hobbyist I've always been thrilled to get feedback from artists that are making their living within the field of work, heck I've even tipped a few for their time in the past since its given me so many insights. Particularly small tips on how to use the anatomy itself here and there as a cheatsheet to help line out the proportions better, how to make simple images more visually interesting and how to avoid stiffness in poses.

I think this could be very helpful, but a little frightening as well. I already know that my work is a collection of mistakes and compromises (and laziness in trying to get a piece completed, rather than making it a life's career). But it might be helpful to at least see some of the mistakes that I didn't already spot.

I used to do this for others, in the forums of Yerf. It was called "redlines" or "redlining" and I was usually correcting anatomy or perspective errors. It's a very powerful tool. In school, my instructor would do this on my work. It helps a lot.

Скажу из личного опыта - если ты предлагаешь подобный "контент", то это должно быть регулярным, и, конечно, видео-процесс гораздо лучше соответствует как запросам критикуемого, так и твоим - не надо раписывать, ставить стрелочки, выделять и т.п. Просто записываешь процесс, вырезаешь лишнее и вуа-ля. Я делала такое как-то, хотя сейчас в моем пабле больше пользуются популярностью оверы работ :)

Подумываю предложить, да. Смотрю, что народ тут об этом думает)
Это не то чтобы контент, скорее индивидуальный мини урок. И мне лично вот такой формат гораздо ближе процессов. В паблике таким интересуются, а тут - не знаю, я вся в сомнениях пока что)

Я больше скажу, тут я даже пару студентов брала на индивид. уроки по скайпу XD
Зайдет все, если будет регулярным)

дааа? так, я пошла к тебе в ноутсы обсудить))

I'm not sure if that's exactly what you mean, but having someone else take something I painted and improve it sounds to me like it might be the most useful thing I could get to learn how to paint better. Something like red-lines are pretty common. The thing where you get another artist to paint in the anatomy of your character to point out where it went wrong. Getting the same with the other aspects of art sounds even better!

Personally I think explanations don't matter much there, because I already have my work methods and would try to figure out how to get there my own way, instead of trying to copy your methods. I imagine that would be just like doing photo studies where you try to copy a photo by painting it and afterwards compare your copy with the original to see where you need to improve. (:

That's true, I agree with you
Well, I was thinking of that type of critics, which does not touch working methods (cause they are very individual), but helps to figure out general mistakes, like volume, light etc. Such a common thing - artist can be very good in detalisation, but at the same time he may have problems with tone and depth of space in art (hope it make sense)
I'm very against copying methods only

That does make sense! I like your ideas and hope you can turn them into something great! :D

I enjoy this method of constructive critique/advice a lot. I think it'd quite helpful. I'll even mark up my own sketches with things I intend to change later so I don't lose the thoughts