What would you say is the goal of LGBT+

The goal of being Lesbian/Gay/Bi/Trans/etc? To be yourself. I assume you mean the "movement" behind pride though, but I think the answer is the same there!

and you need a movement for that?

Yes, because nowadays people can't be themselves if they're LGBT+ just yet, and this also applies to first world countries. It starts with people being bullied and looked down upon for having a different sexual orientation or identity, and ends with people being murdered over it, and others being fine with that and even encouraging it. Just because you don't see people being murdered in front of your eyes doesn't mean it's not happening. I live in a first world country with a pretty good health care system, and I've still experienced oppression, harassment (both by peers and doctors), misunderstanding, and as a depressed 16-year old, everybody expected ME to be the one to educate them, and when I wouldn't (rather couldn't), it was used against me, and seen as a reason to disregard my feelings. Oh, and I actually just moved very recently, because in our old neighborhood people yelled homophobic slurs at us and a trans friend of ours got beat up. So I literally can't feel safe going outside where I live.

I see you mentioned that you feel like a lot of people like to "overidentify" with being LGBT+ and nothing else. The thing is, if you've been told you're wrong and disgusting, and have suffered for just being the way you were born, it feels good to reclaim that and loudly say "No, I'm normal, being myself is awesome, and I will show it". And considering how it quite literally is a part of my identity, it's something I think about quite a lot, and I worry a lot about other people who are misunderstood and struggle to understand themselves, because the majority of the world refuses to learn about them and help them understand. This is why I go out and educate people about it, and share very personal stories with strangers to help them understand. And it does help them understand. And you wouldn't believe the amount of people who come up to us afterwards, telling us how they finally understood themselves better, how it reaffirmed that their shitty home life didn't mean they were a mistake, how they didn't feel so wrong anymore.

You say LGBT+ want to be seen as normal, yet so obviously single themselves out. The same point as before applies. If you've felt oppressed and wronged for long enough, you won't just go to collectively ignoring it. You want to get loud, and get back at the world. And as chubby-shark said, it's about letting others know. It's showing people, who cannot express themselves in fear of their safety, that there's a movement out there, and that it's getting better. And yes, not every single LGBT+ person has to be a fan of pride and be loud about it. That's totally fine! As much as we don't force them to participate, they can't force us to be quiet. I've thought about just being quiet about it and living """normal""", but I would just pretend, and I can't ignore how shitty the world can still be. I want to let others know where I came from and that the world doesn't have to be like that.

Different does not mean not-normal. It just means different. A different kind of normal. Different from what society has at some point decided to expect to be normal.

Yes, it is important. If you think otherwise you're speaking from a place of privilege. It shows that you do not understand what a good amount of people still go through to this very day, and instead of providing support, you're questioning why other people do and why it's necessary. I wonder why it's an issue to you, and why you say "It's not that many, why care?" If there's even just a small handful of people who suffer for just being, and expressing themselves in a way that hurts nobody, it's already more than worth it.

As long as people are still murdered, mistreated, kicked out, denied treatment, harassed, assaulted, the list goes on, over being different, I refuse to be quiet. And I ask you to think really, really hard, about why you would ask us to be quiet.

Well ther reason is that you have about 3 larger categorys of people

The ones in high or full support
The ones that are neutral
The ones in high or full opposition

Activism, or being overly proud of your existance isnt needed to win over the first, as they are allready supportive. The second one will be asking themselves why they need special anything, whilst asking for equal treatment. Driving them off the supportive side and the third group will be strengthened in their belief that they all just want special things, being even less likely to ever be supportive.

Activism in general is only good in legal cases, where peoples opinions and views are more or less irrelevant, as activism is trying to fight or even force something. The bogus idea, that anyone is more or less than anyone else, is an idea and ideas cant be killed, just gently replaced by another.

Activism also informs. Most people that aren't affected simply don't educate themselves. So for category 2 and 3 it has the effect of educating them about these issues, and possibly getting rid of wrongful information and prejudices. Activism turns category 2 and 3 people into category 1, and it also provides a safe space for people to REVEAL they're category 1 in the first place. Removing activism gives rise to more category 3 people, and makes LGBT+ people believe they're wrong and broken.

"The second one will be asking themselves why they need special anything, whilst asking for equal treatment."
Correction: Privileged people who can't empathize will ask themselves this. Anybody else will be able to fully understand the reasons.

And again, category 1 people have to be loud and apparent, as category 3 people are loud with their hateful actions. There's literally no point in being quiet and gentle about people literally being murdered and hurt. If you believe that being kind to hateful people will magically cure them of their hate and prejudice then I envy your naivety. That kind of stuff has never moved social issues along, but riots, parades, and saying "enough" has. This isn't an elementary school yard where ignoring the bully will make them go away. Ignoring the bully will make them kill you.
Being silent is the same as taking the side of the oppressor.

I also don't need everybody to be of your category 1, by the way. What I need is people to not feel like treating other people horribly over something they have no control over is normal and acceptable. I don't need everybody to go to pride. I need people to stop killing others. I want to eradicate category 3, and if it has to be by suppressing their hateful thoughts loudly and colorfully until everybody with that mindset dies, then so be it.

I also disagree with your categories to begin with. There's a lot more to note. I tried to categorize but there's just too much. You have to consider people who don't feel safe enough to support openly, people who simply haven't been able to realize they're a part of it due to misinformation or a lack of it, people who hate because of internalized homo-/trans-/etc-phobia even though they are it themselves, people who live sheltered lives and don't understand such struggles etc etc etc. There's SO many more layers to it than you're mentioning there. And it just again shows me that you apparently don't want to understand. All your arguments are the same old, run-off-the-mill privileged (I know I say this a lot, but it's just so true) arguments that I've heard a thousand times. You haven't even responded to my points and acknowledged them in any way, you've just flung the next barely thought-through train of thought at me.

Again I ask you, why does it matter to you? Does it hurt you? Does it make you uncomfortable? Have the gays killed your family? Why do you care? Why do you think you know more about this than the people who are actually affected? What is it that you want to achieve? If it is to understand, I want you to look up "empathy". Empathy means being sympathetic to somebody even if you cannot fully understand and relate. It means sometimes taking a step back and taking somebody's word for their experiences, even if you cannot quite get behind it.

So fightfire with fire? Have fun seeing the world burn.

The proper analogy would be pride and activism being who puts out the fire. You're asking us to ignore the fire, "it will disappear by itself". No. It will only keep spreading if we don't put it out. You're the one who wants it to burn.

But it's more than apparent that you don't want to, or maybe simply can't, understand. I'm done trying to help you to.

you used the homophobes etc using bad words so you have to use activism and bad words on them too. hence fire with fire. You cant force bad ideas out of people by force.

Calling a homophobe a moronic bigot isn’t the same as calling someone a f*g or tr*nny JFC dude

On a technical level it is (both are insults), on a scale of insult effectiveness it isnt

Oh my god
Insults are different than slurs

I’m guessing you’re a cishet white man? Btw “cishet” is no where NEAR as insulting or harmful as slurs used towards LGBT+ people.

You’re speaking from a place of privilege; you can’t dictate which words are “worse” or not when they’re not being used against you by people that want you and everyone like you dead.

put your "You’re speaking from a place of privilege" where the sun doesnt shine as its completely selfdefeating

Literally how is it self-defeating lmao

What is the strongest thing you can imagine, where your strength multiplies based on how many people thing you are weak and need help, not being priviledged, especially in the west where you cet an outrage mob as soon as you call oppression, thats near ultimate priviledge. Which means the priviledged ones you called "Priviledged" dont get any of that, thus become the new weaker and oppressed ones and the entire thing flips 180 starting anew.

This literally makes no sense.

You’re refusing to actually engage in any kind of debate; I literally told you earlier that people in my country are murdered for being LGBT+, but you’re sitting here trying to argue that telling someone they’re privileged or a bigot is just as bad.

I’m done.

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What would you say is the goal of posting this comment

because I want to know what the goal of the LGBT+ movement actually is, best from someone who belongs to the demographic as chances are their answer is closest to reality

Dude it’s literally obvious and self-evident. LGBT+ people literally just want to stop being murdered for their sexuality and/or gender and want to be accepted. That’s it

Is that happening in your country?

Yes.

D: darn

And for things like Pride Month etc it's like a communal signal to one another: Hey, you're not alone in this. And to everyone: We're here, we're many and we don't want to be marginalized anymore.

I personally think that just being there and showing yourself (in a place like the internet, where it's so easy to hide) it may one day erode away the so called 'homo/trans/whatever-phobia', because people eventually simply get used to it and get over it.

Technically LGBT arent many, ~8-10% of the worlds population isnt really many. Its a chunk but a bit far off many.

You want to erode 'homo/trans/whatever-phobia" Probably the best way to do it is to "not try",in a way. Dont hide, but dont overemphasize on what, but who you are.

The ones that are neutral or positive to LGBT allready, will be strengthened in their belief. The ones that are not, are either beyond change, or will see with their own eyes that you do exacly like everyone else does and maybe change. If not, their childern will see that early on and their distrust will be weaker.

10% would be 700 million people, that's two times the population of the USA. In my eyes that's dang many people.

> Dont hide, but dont overemphasize on what, but who you are.
I don't know really what you are getting at with this in this context. Is that what you're reading out of Fiuefey's journal?

measured on the world 10% is a small bit.

What I have noticed all over pride month and from the handful of LGBT+ people I more or less closely know. The ones I know are more or less like: Whatever *shrugs* , towards pride month. But a lot of others seem to only be their sexuality and nothing else, making a massive issue out of it, while simultanously wanting to be seen like everyone else. Like heck, do you see others doing that?

Interesting, I've never seen someone making it all about their sexuality. :^S

But of course you don't see "the others" like you say do that, because they are visible everywhere.

Your reply made my laugh, very flawless reaction!

Sometimes you just gotta be passive aggressive lmao
I’m tired of giving people like this the benefit of the doubt before engaging in conversation tbh ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Thank you for this journal, though! Obviously it’s very needed. ❤️

All year long as long as we live, fuck the haters

Pride FOREVER has officially begun and it's literally been overdue

I missed it too, so yeaaah let's extend it :^D

oh heyy, fellow pan, trans-masc/nb, somewhat poly, queer pal! heck yeah!! <3

Nice!!! We're here we're queer yoooooooooooooooooo

I just found your art and I love it! Totally my aesthetic! I love your sentiment on pride here! Even more important to keep pride going throughout the rest of the year, when it's not all corporatized! We're just gonna keep being us, even if we only have a few specific times of recognition.