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[UPDATE] - Concerning future streams (please read)
7 years ago
Hello all !
Hope you are doing fine o/ I am writing this journal as a follow-up to the notice I added to the stream journal yesterday. I am aware that very few people actually read over the stream journal every time one is posted. However, I would suggest that you keep an eye out at the top of the stream journal as I tend to write important messages and updates regarding streams ! It also lets you all know if anything special is supposed to happen during streams as well (like start time, break periods, and the occasionnal address to some of the rules in place).
Anyways, that is a suggestion seeing as very important news will be discussed in a separate journal normal, like this one, but wnated to point out that I do use the stream journal to talk to you guys and not always just post it as template ;v;
Speaking of important information, I have two major changes coming up starting tomorow (shoudl be), of which you guys can give me your input on wether you find them to be reasonable or not ! I take every input seriously since I can't possibly think about everything by myself.
The first change I want to make is up the prices of wing-it commissions in stream. Instead of 15$US, they would be 20$US. Know that extra characters are and will always be half the base price as extra (so 20 base + 10 extra). It is an augmentation I believe to be fair, given the quality of the wing-it being equal to regular colored sketches.
The second element I want to tackle also has to do with wing-its. Basically, I have become too lenient I think with inputs on wing-its. So much so that sometimes it is hard for me to say wether they are a wing-it (a drawing to which I am free to draw what I want to draw) and a colored sketch. It should be clear cut, but I've struggled a few times in the past couples of week enough to make me question it. As such, I don't want to be too strict, but I have to set a clear limit and indication for wing-its.
Basically, from now on, when asking for a wing-it, I will only accept ONE or TWO WORDED THEMES as direction. Nothing else. An example would be :
- Character ref sheet
- Theme : Sunny day
And that is all. I will not look at any extra fluff text that may pertain to the desired image if what is asked is a wing-it. Things like :
« My character has no shame, and she would definitely be the type to dress in a skippy bikini, drinking some soda. It's a wing-it, so you decide. Oh and also, she can be teasing and mischievious. » are a no-no. I know I accepted personnality traits before, but this enters the realm of colored sketches.
The reason behind this reasoning is that, even if it can be considered a wing-it even with this type of description, it already puts precise context and imagery in my mind, to which I feel like I am not as free as it should be. In this scenario, I would probably end up drawing the character in a skimpy bikini, drinking soda with a smirk on her face or some sort. It takes mroe mental prowess to not include elements being proposed, than it seems. THUS why it can be hard for me to figure out if it is a proper wing-it or a colored sketch and has me perplexed.
I do hope you guys understand my stance and my point of view on this and won't take it too harshly ;;;
In short, Wing-it should only be your character(s) reference(s) and maybe a one or two word theme. If I ask you for the characters personnality, you give me a couple bullet points (ex: teasing, conniving, brash, etc). Nothing more.
Do let me know if you guys think that is alright or if I'm being too much x.x ! I know it is not you guys fault, but my own initially for not making things clearer from the start. Any input will be greatly appreciated !
Love you guys ~
Hope you are doing fine o/ I am writing this journal as a follow-up to the notice I added to the stream journal yesterday. I am aware that very few people actually read over the stream journal every time one is posted. However, I would suggest that you keep an eye out at the top of the stream journal as I tend to write important messages and updates regarding streams ! It also lets you all know if anything special is supposed to happen during streams as well (like start time, break periods, and the occasionnal address to some of the rules in place).
Anyways, that is a suggestion seeing as very important news will be discussed in a separate journal normal, like this one, but wnated to point out that I do use the stream journal to talk to you guys and not always just post it as template ;v;
Speaking of important information, I have two major changes coming up starting tomorow (shoudl be), of which you guys can give me your input on wether you find them to be reasonable or not ! I take every input seriously since I can't possibly think about everything by myself.
The first change I want to make is up the prices of wing-it commissions in stream. Instead of 15$US, they would be 20$US. Know that extra characters are and will always be half the base price as extra (so 20 base + 10 extra). It is an augmentation I believe to be fair, given the quality of the wing-it being equal to regular colored sketches.
The second element I want to tackle also has to do with wing-its. Basically, I have become too lenient I think with inputs on wing-its. So much so that sometimes it is hard for me to say wether they are a wing-it (a drawing to which I am free to draw what I want to draw) and a colored sketch. It should be clear cut, but I've struggled a few times in the past couples of week enough to make me question it. As such, I don't want to be too strict, but I have to set a clear limit and indication for wing-its.
Basically, from now on, when asking for a wing-it, I will only accept ONE or TWO WORDED THEMES as direction. Nothing else. An example would be :
- Character ref sheet
- Theme : Sunny day
And that is all. I will not look at any extra fluff text that may pertain to the desired image if what is asked is a wing-it. Things like :
« My character has no shame, and she would definitely be the type to dress in a skippy bikini, drinking some soda. It's a wing-it, so you decide. Oh and also, she can be teasing and mischievious. » are a no-no. I know I accepted personnality traits before, but this enters the realm of colored sketches.
The reason behind this reasoning is that, even if it can be considered a wing-it even with this type of description, it already puts precise context and imagery in my mind, to which I feel like I am not as free as it should be. In this scenario, I would probably end up drawing the character in a skimpy bikini, drinking soda with a smirk on her face or some sort. It takes mroe mental prowess to not include elements being proposed, than it seems. THUS why it can be hard for me to figure out if it is a proper wing-it or a colored sketch and has me perplexed.
I do hope you guys understand my stance and my point of view on this and won't take it too harshly ;;;
In short, Wing-it should only be your character(s) reference(s) and maybe a one or two word theme. If I ask you for the characters personnality, you give me a couple bullet points (ex: teasing, conniving, brash, etc). Nothing more.
Do let me know if you guys think that is alright or if I'm being too much x.x ! I know it is not you guys fault, but my own initially for not making things clearer from the start. Any input will be greatly appreciated !
Love you guys ~
We spoke already, but $20USD is more than reasonable for the effort you put into your sketches. You could definitely stand to charge more, but it's your call to make!
Limiting the wing it's to only a couple keywords is a good idea as well. Helps to preserve the whole idea of artistic freedom behind it while leaving enough of a guiding element for the commissioner.
Sooo, the proposition was the following : instead of 2, make 3 "tiers" of coms, that would be the following.
- Wing it (with a max of 2 words to "give a hint", nothing more) for 20$. You have most if not all of the artistic freedom fairly intact.
- "semi" wing-it for 30$ : instead of a 2 words description, it's rather a 2-3 sentences description that would give a mood, indications on a character, maybe a precise event, BUT you chose how to represent it, the composition, positions ect. (pretty much what some of the recent wings-it were)
- And com', for 40$ instead of 35, with the ability for the customer to come up with a specific pose, composition, lighting, and all that kind of very "pictorial" details that many of us don't really bother imagining that much. (I guess it doesn't changes that much from what it currently is, it's just to underline the differences)
I know I'm not "objective" in this story, as I agree on the fact that I ordered a lot of "borderline" wing-it here and there, but I think it'd be a better solution than just restraining the way the wing-it are currently done.
I say that because the current system had some flaws that won't be solved with this change : for example, I know that some pictures were ordered as wing-it, but not really "satisfying" for the customer because they couldn't really feel like it was corresponding to their character.
And on the other hand, sometimes the description was "too heavy" for a wing it, but then the customer ended up with a commission for which they didn't provided a real "description", just fairly blur ideas they wanted illustrated. And they couldn't really change their mind once they realized they didn't really enjoyed the picture because of how much time was already spent on it, yet it wasn't really possible for them to figure that out with just the rough initial sketch. Sooo, the job is done, but it's not really a good scenario :/
That's why I propose this solution : a sort of wing it that still keeps clear inputs from the client of what they'd want their character to do (while not really precising how the picture *should be*) could be the best possible option for some people, while the two other options would still be available.
(Plus, you'd give the streamed com' a raise, which would be nice, since unlike "regular" com', they are delivered fairly quickly and with a free background, which kinda unbalances things for clients that can't attend to streams or such.)
Sorry for the long post o/