I actually agree with your insight.

well, while we are at it, i am fine with transgenders, but i feel if you change, lets say male to female, you are indeed female, but yeah no, opinions are opinions, im not going to lie and say there are not some things i don't want people to believe, im no lair after all, but yeah, agree to disagree

I have a preference in some cases to the biology, and heck, if somebody's got boobs I'm going to think of them as a female, no matter how much they insist they're a guy. Being polite and calling them by such just becomes harder at that point, at least until (or unless) they get reduction surgery and depending on how long that takes, it just becomes harder to change.

The people I've personally met that are trans, though, are those of androgynous appearance, and I'm not about to start yanking down pants to see what their biology is so it's simple enough to just call them what they claim.

yeah, that's one thing with me as well, and sorry to say im a little harsher with it, but if i see boobs, then your a girl, and sorry im not arguing it ( not directed at you just voicing my view on it )

Unfortunately, "agree to disagree" gets spit upon and people more often resort to "No, I'm right and you're wrong, you hater" comments, thinking they've won the argument by saying that, like they're declaring themselves king of the castle. It's the same thing no matter what the topic is.

You don't get to agree to disagree with science and human rights though. If people "agreed to disagree" on the civil rights movement, or the gay rights movement, we wouldn't make any progress. "Agree to disagree" is a mantra that is flown by people who are ignorant of the facts who don't want their incorrect information to be challenged.

Your information is wrong, and you're conflating two words. Sex and gender. Sex is your biology, gender is your identity in society. Your comments are labeled "transphobic" because people espousing these beliefs are privileged enough to not have to research basic concepts that have huge implications on people's lives. I mean, there's even a simple Wikipedia article on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_a.....er_distinction

The fact that you are intrinsically tying someone's gender identity to biology is a wrong and harmful belief. Having a penis or a vagina has no bearing on someone's identity and their place in society. If someone aligns closer to a guy or a woman in their identity, that makes them a man or woman. Saying otherwise is frankly transphobic. And no matter what, other people's biology is frankly none of your business. You don't have any right to it.

Also, biology is a lot more complicated than I think you realize. If you value science as you say, read this: https://twitter.com/ScienceVet2/sta.....46030500061184

But this is all to say, your views are transphobic. You're allowed to be transphobic, I can't stop you, but you can't state transphobic talking points and expect people to not call you what you are. You can't say, "I don't think whites and blacks should go to the same school, agree to disagree but I'm not a racist". That makes you a racist. Similarly, you can't ignore basic concepts about gender and sex, espouse generally harmful and transphobic beliefs, then say "agree to disagree". It doesn't work that way.

If you actually care, there's a lot of things you can read including literature from the American Psychiatric Association. It's out there, and psychology is science which you claim to be a fan of. Science agrees with me and the rest of the trans community, not your beliefs. Science isn't about agreeing to disagree, it's about finding the truth and the scientific truth is that trans people are valid.

If you want to support the transgender and the minorities, consider stopping the use of ad hominem attacks. You want discussion, not good guys and bad guys, and we want people to view the transgender community as one that needs to be cared for with a little extra sensitivity, not a cold and belittling community ready to snap at anyone "transphobic".

The word "transphobic" is the worst thing to happen to the transgender community, it actively harms it.
Consider this: Attacking anyone with the word "transphobic" and belittling people by saying that things are "none of their business" has two major consequences:
1. They'll stop listening to you. Let's be realistic, people aren't going to listen when they perceive that you don't at least respect their point of view. Will you ever listen to someone who dismisses you as a "trans shill" and mocks you?
2. Worse still, they'll stop discussing their opinions if they get scared of being the bad guy - which means they'll never, ever change their mind because they'll just stop discussing it. Worse still, they'll start discussing it only with people who agree with them, creating an echo chamber that breeds more extreme views. All because of the word "transphobic".

So agree to disagree; that'll keep discussion more open, because you've respected their point of view. Heck, then you'll be able to maybe influence them a bit!

That being said, I agree with there being a distinction between sex and gender identity; one does not "disprove" the other and that 9-puzzle could reasonably adopt that distinction. And in my eyes, it's perfectly OK to identify as the opposite gender; it doesn't biologically change you (not possible.. yet), but they can identify as whatever they want.

The REAL transphobic people are the people who would be going around treating trans as lesser people or actively hurting them, or judging individuals - not just disagreeing over whether identity equals biological sex or not.

Also, yes, there's no "agreeing to disagree" when it comes to facts - but gender identity is NOT an objective matter, because we choose what gender identity means. For all we know, in another culture there could be three genders, and that people choose a gender based on their profession. Does that mean they're wrong? No, it just means they have a different subjective opinion that is alien to us.

You can sit there and accuse me of "attacking" someone, but the centrist ideals that you're espousing is literally the reason why we're here. Transphobic is a term for people who actively say things that disparage trans people. Guess what? That's what the journal does. The journal is written from a place of ignorance and it's written by someone who is privileged enough to not have to do basic research. Their opinion is already set. By actively saying that these beliefs are worthy of discussion, you're causing a lot more damage than I am. If this journal was written from a place of "I don't understand this, please explain" you'd have a point. But the journal is written from the standpoint that "I believe in science, and trans people don't hold up against science". The medical and scientific community have already accepted trans people, so why is the original journal worth discussing? Sorry, I don't have to sit here and sugarcoat things to people who have already determined that my identity is invalid. And "the real transphobes" you described? You literally just described the journal. So I'm not sure what your point is there. Telling someone that their entire identity is invalid is actively harmful, and implying it isn't is the height of privilege.

In my opinion, you're the one causing real harm by actively pandering to these statements.

PS: I'm non-binary which no one here has even demonstrated a basic understanding of so why even bother.

I see that point of view showing up a lot and have yet to see it happen consistently. I've seen a few isolated cases, yes, but they're too infrequent for someone to act like they apply to all trans people. I believe you're using something between a slippery slope and an appeal to tradition, with a pinch of fearmongering for seasoning.

Also, I've never understood what makes the boy scouts a specifically male institution. Both the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts are primarily about teaching kids to be model citizens, and the biggest difference is in the areas that they teach.
Oh right and one of them sells popcorn, while the other sells cookies.

Biology and science support the existence of trans people, and MRI readings show that most of the time their brain structures are more similar to their gender than their assigned sex. The argument that science says sex and gender are the same thing is biologically and psychologically untrue


Agree to disagree is fine, but when your disagreement is over whether or not a group of people should have the right to exist, agreeing to disagree is not enough.

I would talk about the fact that 'agreeing to disagree' falls apart when it comes to matters of civil rights, but people above have already done so better.

But to be honest, it's pretty easy to want to 'agree to disagree' when it's not your identity being discussed, yeah?

Bravo for coming out to discuss such a dangerous topic, risking your reputation for it! Agreeing to disagree is pretty important (in most cases, especially subjective ones like these), because it shows that that a discussion could be kept civil.

That being said, I say it's good to separate biological sex from gender identity; one doesn't really "disprove" the other. Someone may be biologically male, but if they don't want to be (i.e. identify as female), you're 100% correct in saying that their sex is Male; but they just don't identify as it, and want to be treated like a female.

Whether you want to humor them is really your decision (nobody should force it, it's like forcing someone to roleplay), but I always keep in mind that people who are trans tend to be in a great deal of emotional pain; it's quite hurtful to really want to be something but not be able to, and until a TRUE sex change can exist, it's never really quite the same, you know? That's why I at least humor them by calling them male, female, whatever they want.

Just remember that!

My implications here were indeed based on the physical genitalia. So in my opinion [penis = male,] [vagina = female.] (I know herms are a thing, but I am keeping things simple.)

I mean I do have a trans M to F friend, they have asked me to call them female pronouns and I do indeed respect that. Hence why I say I don't have massive issues with trans people. On occasion I do slip and call them by their original male fursona name, but man she just had to choose my mother's name of all names for herself. ;^^

Yeah, I do indeed get that gender dysphoria is a very real thing and it's not like I am giving these people the finger. The main issue is whether or not a particular trans person actually has gender dysphoria. One fact is that the number of gender dysphoria cases have increased dramatically over the last decade. Why that is is for others to conclude.

I suggest really taking to heart Taullo's post and maybe doing more research and examining those beliefs if you really are sincere. In particular, that bit about the number of cases rising; the fact that its actually a properly recognized thing now is the reason why. Autism and a whole slew of other psychological and mental afflictions and outlooks are similar in that before the modern era words or terms of understanding of what those even were just wasn't a thing. Your son who isn't like other children and acts like their weird uncle who themselves doesnt know how to act around people didn't have Autism in the 50's because 'Autism' wasn't a known thing, returning soldiers weren't diagnosed with PTSD after WWI not because they didn't have it, but because the word just wasn't something that existed yet. (Hell, the term 'Shell Shock' was literally what they first decided to actually call it when actually examining those reactions became a thing.)

There is also the whole slew of problems in our society (That have steadily gotten both worse and better) about coming out that way too--ask your trans friend some time about what usually happens to those who come out, whether it be conversion 'therapy' or kicked out of their homes or killed or told that they don't even exist, that their feelings aren't real, by people who wouldn't even be really inconvenienced even if those feelings really weren't real.

I'm sorry but saying to "Humor them" honestly is insanely... problematic? Like this makes it that you are not respecting trans persons but instead just dealing with them. It's like "LOL I don't wanna get into an argument, so MAY AS WELL JUST PLAY ALONG."
It's disrespectful, and the fact you make it seem like something to just play along with rather than just, respect is part of the problem here. No trans person wants to force their lifestyle on you [if they do, theyre just an asshole]. They just want to live their life, and be respected for such. But thoughts like "Agree to disagree" and "its biology so stop playing around" and also "humoring them" is part of why a lot of trans people feel insanely disrespected and even hurt by the world around them. Hell just this week some "stubborn individual" on twitter said "Trans don't lack rights, they are just crying about 'oh my fee fees'."

I think there's a bit of misconstruing of what I said. Let's get things straight here; one, that I sympathize with the trans community. And that two - playing along with something is respecting them. If I didn't respect someone or a community, I wouldn't respect that they feel that way about their identity. So no, this isn't a matter of passively not wanting to get into an argument, because there are things that I actually can't respect, and the trans community isn't one of them.

I agree that a trans person isn't interested in "converting" people into being trans, as you say, they don't want to force their lifestyle - but it's also quite aggressive to EXPECT other people to agree with them, at an emotional gunpoint that if they don't, that they'll disrespect the other person for having an opinion (you can't deny that a lot of personal attacks occur when people disagree).

Heck, I disagree with older bro on certain topics but we're good brothers. Okay, fine, you might say that disagreeing on "identity" is disrespectful because it "dismisses the existence of the identity", but no, you're respecting that they have that opinion on identity, even though you disagree with it, you see where they come from and do something to accommodate them within reason.

And don't believe it when they say that trans lack rights in Western civilization! The law has already been changed to make life easier for them. It's possible to change the gender on your ID Card in many places now. Like, I encourage you, read more about it and you'll find that things are less dire than they seem to be. But - are they "crying about oh my fee fees"?, no, I don't think they're just whining pointlessly, they're dealing with a serious problem that needs to be taken very seriously. Being trans is emotionally damaging and they tend to have a high suicide rate, so it's a very serious issue.

Rosa Parks should have agreed to disagree with that bus driver. Just because he didn't like black people doesn't mean he was a racist. That was really unfair of her. /s

That's kind of false equivalency. I'm not saying that "transphobia doesn't exist!" but the circumstances surrounding transgenderism and the civil rights movement are so different from each other that you can't exactly use that argument.

You can't just say, "That's a false equivalency" and vaguely handwave away my point. The equivalency comes from the fact that you don't affect real change by sitting idly by and tolerating people's beliefs when their beliefs are morally wrong. I fail to see how the comparison doesn't work for you.

Thanks for explaining your position, it really helped me understand your argument. I definitely agree that you have to take action to affect real change.

Though if you think about it, "sitting idly by" is sort of what Rosa Parks did, even if she might not have tolerated the other people's beliefs.

There was nothing idle about the way Rosa Parks sat. ;~;

Calm down it was just a joke.

Ah yes, I forgot that ;~; denotes outrage.

My mistake. XD

While this is true on some levels, some people really do have atrocious ideas and they ought to be told. Certainly we can disagree on the value of some media, how we like to spend our time, or where we want to go with our lives, but if somebody tells me that a trans person is worth nothing then I'm gonna go over and suplex them right through the fucking earth.

I'm certainly not implying that trans people are worthless. As I said to someone else I fully understand that gender dysphoria is a very real thing.

I know you're not, which i appreciate. I just feel "agree to disagree," while a valuable notion, can only go so far. Now-a-days, people are getting heavily polarized thanks to the intense political climate and the internet connecting people together.

What I am kind of implying here is more like if you are speaking one on one with someone. Like if a single trans person says they are female, I will only partially agree and between just the two of us the "agree to disagree" notion does somewhat apply. But if you one person trying to speak against an entire group of persons "agree to disagree" may not be apt.

 I found the wording of "I will only partially agree and between just the two of us the "agree to disagree" notion does somewhat apply." Really interesting and telling by the way, because it implies that you think you have a say in it, as harsh as that sounds. You aren't that other person, even if the decision and belief isn't honest or sincere on their part, you still are not the person actually making the decision or holding that belief. It implies a level of thinking that the other person is lesser or not being as worthy of your respect. I don't think you actually mean it, or that you do it maliciously, mind you, but you do it nonetheless. Imagine if the reverse was done to you (Possibly by that friend you mentioned, because I know I definitely couldn't be friends with someone who thought, no matter how unintentional or subconsciously, that I wasn't an equal to take seriously), or not even about gender--that I just 'agree to disagree' that you aren't REALLY a Christian or an American or whatever you'd like to substitute in there--and that I thought you were inherently disengenious in thinking you were those things, even though none of those are things I actually get to decide you are beyond my own mental hookups--only you get to decide that for yourself, and its erasing other people's being to think otherwise-'yes, even the people who really need mental help because they believe they are the reincarnation of George Washington, or those who hallucinate things that aren't there because of Schizophrenia.

Because even if it isn't 'real' to you, its still definitely real to them.

I see it more as the old saying "I don't agree with what you're saying, but I will defend your right to say it" if someone wants to be transgender fine, I'm just telling you at the end of the day, I don't care about your sexuality or gender identity. You do and that's fine, but don't expect me to care on your level. To many people, gender identity is a non-issue.

I guess, the phrase specifically seems more dismissive and condescending to me in this context. Trans people don't want you to 'care about their sexuality and gender identity' to the level they do, just to take them as seriously as you would anyone else and not dehumanize them about it, especially if its actually a non-issue to you and you don't care about whatever they are. I feel like it should be even less of an issue or problem if you don't actually care or are accepting of it, in which case, why are you even talking about it, just be respectful, you know? You don't have to be super into it or anything (In fact, trans fetishists are creepy), but you DO still have to acknowledge that is what they are, and that its a part of their identity, even if it isn't a big deal to you or yours (Which is incredibly fortunate, honestly. Not having to worry about that kind of thing is a blessing), just as a respect and decency thing. Dehumanizing people just isn't cool, whether its intentional and malicious, or just done out of ignorance or whatever, especially when it really shouldn't be a big deal and you're doing it to people you say you consider a friend/family. (Not that its better when done to strangers, but still, I think you get what I mean.)

Let’s just call a ♠️ a ♠️ . Transgenderism is no more than a social construct; a desire by progressives to be different. Whether a person believes they should’ve been the opposite sex, nothing will ever change the one you were born as. It used to be less than one percent of the US population identified as transgender. But since Obama helped enabled it, our current generation of kids are wrongfully being taught that it’s okay to claim you’re the opposite sex; that it’s trendy.

Bottom line, there has been and always will be only two genders: Male and female

Anyone claiming otherwise ignores that thing called a birth defect and instead try to glorify it. And frankly, forget agreeing to disagree with me; anyone who feels triggered by my words can kiss my ass! Because I am way beyond done tiptoeing around people’s feelings. Fuck your feelings! Cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it because not everyone subscribes to forced progressivism for the sake of progressivism. Some things cannot be progressed. Biology is one of them.

Transgenderism is just a social construct but gender itself isn't? What a hilarious hot take.

Exactly a great and valid point. =3

Though one thing I will say is if a transgender person has actual gender dysphoria then THEY would have my support, but unfortunately a large percentage of transgenders are the ones that suddenly decided one day they were trans...

Honestly, I could care less how a person chooses to live. If they want to live as the opposite sex, then have at it. But when such a lifestyle compromises things like (mens or womens) sports, especially men playing in women's sports, it gives them an unfair advantage because like it or not, men are typically stronger than women. But progressives keep trying to distort the line between women and men because it's "progressive". Same thing goes for one sex institutions like the Boy Scouts. Thanks to liberals, it's no longer the boys only institution it was always known as. Now they just call it Scouts. So then what's the point in the Girl Scouts anymore? What's the point in having a boys and girls locker room at school or gender stats across America?

Leftists claim there are apparently now more genders than Ben & Jerry ice cream flavors. It feels like I live in the Twilight Zone now. By their logic, I could waltz up to a women's restroom, claim I'm a woman and walk right in. And if they question it, I can shriek they're "transphobic". If a person is plagued with suicidal thoughts and tendancies, you would naturally get them help to overcome those thoughts and tendancies. You don't just give them a gun. It's the same thing with trannies. But because I believe that transgenderism is a mental disorder, I'm automatically labeled the bad guy or "transphobic" as many would say. Thing is, that word makes no sense because I'm not afraid of transfolk, so how could I be transphobic? I just don't like people lying about what science unequivocally proves otherwise: Male and female. That's it! You may have an androgynous appearance, but you're still ultimately male or female. Your chromosomes are either XY or XX.

I believe in live and let live. But when you open up a debate about something like this, expect opinions that may run counter to what you want to hear. And no, 9-Puzzle, I'm not saying this specifically to you. I'm saying it in general. I think what actually pisses me off is that in some countries, especially in Europe, you can now be prosecuted just for referring to a tranny as the wrong pronoun. That's just messed up. Everything has become so needlessly complicated.

I think what this boils down to is people creating new ways to make themselves more unique; to give themselves more of a specific identity fewer other's share. If you're a girl growing up, yet you don't quite look beautiful as one, you may decide you're just non-binary and embrace that instead. Okay, fine. Whatever floats your boat. Just don't try and force ME to echo YOUR opinion. I'm entitled to my own opinion. If you don't like my opinion, then feel free to disagree with it. But if you start attacking me over my opinion, then simply piss off. Keep it up and I'll fight back even harder. That's the state of things these days. Two sides can no longer seem to have a healthy debate anymore. Instead it's, to quote Anakin Skywalker, "If you're not with me, then you are my enemy!"

Trust me, I have been recently watching a lot of Ben Shaprio related stuff on YouTube so I know all about things like that. I think he even mentioned how girls can have all girls club but the all boys clubs are demonized. Kind of like how some schools teach and treat boys like they are defective girls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LquIQisaZFU Even if half true that is all scary. No wonder some boys grow up to be "toxic" and cause school shootings, they are treated like crap. >_> It explains so much...

I too disagree with the what is it 56 genders? At MOST there are 3, female, male and herm. Since yes, there are people with male AND female reproductive organs and that can count as a third. But 53 other ones? WUT?

Yeah, that's pretty bad and I won't argue that, that is literally censorship. We're not talking about yelling falsely yelling "fire" in a crowded building, were talking about what is nothing more than the "incorrect" usage of an adjective.

Yep, and I agree with this as well. That NPC meme sure fits the one side for sure. =P

PragerU and Ben Shapiro as a whole get a really big yikes from me, I highly suggest whatever you read or hear from them, you investigate and look at another source to confirm as a fact, this article https://ramblingsoapbox.com/2018/03.....ersity-review/ explains a lot more about why exactly PragerU specifically should be looked at skeptically. Just looking at one source/side of an issue isn't research, its just looking for things you already agree with and falling down a rabbit hole of craziness, especially when they're presented by people with a history of being disingenuous who distort the truth.

The 'gender laws' specifically are a great example: No, you aren't being censored for nothing more than an 'incorrect' usage of an adjective, those kinds of laws add gender identity and sexual expression to the list of protected classes, worthy of human rights, in the same way race or religion is. They're laws that make it so that you can't choose not to give a loan to someone because they're black, or harass and discriminate against someone just for being a Muslim. You aren't going to go to jail for misgendering someone, you're going to go to jail if you harass and discriminate against them repeatedly (Which includes purposefully misgendering them, yes, for the same reason purposefully calling someone a Nigger or a Chink on a regular basis when they don't welcome that is also harassment) because they're trans, AKA being a really shitty person.

You mention elsewhere you were never aware of the sex/gender difference, which is fine, but a part of that difference is that they aren't the same thing, which is where the "There are more than two genders" things come from (Personally, I'm not going to say I actually properly understand a non-binary person's gender because I don't.) But again: Why does it matter to you, specifically, when you aren't the person who is that?

I agree about the NPC thing by the way https://imgur.com/a/cJ2aao4

(Being serious, never assume that its just 'one side' who does that kind of thing. That in particular is a really great way to be trapped in an echo chamber and lack the self awareness to realize that you are the 'one side')

Those sorts of attacks are what caused me to become somewhat disenchanted with the right. By shutting down all potential alternate viewpoints before you can even hear them, you're simply refusing to even possibly believe you were wrong because of "science."

Here's a little fact for you:
Science isn't some all-knowing monolithic entity that is constantly right. As our understanding of concepts have evolved and changed, so have our theories as to how the world works. We once believed that things were flammable due to a substance called Phlogiston because that was what made the most sense based on what we knew at the time. We obviously know better now, but in the 18th century, Phlogiston was the most logical idea.

Another thing: I still identify as mostly leaning to the right, and by shutting out all opposing views, you act a lot like the "progressives" and "liberals" you demonize. I know this because I used to do the same, and it took something like the post I'm writing now to snap mee out of it.

And since my mother also uses that "less than one percent" statistic, I have to mention that people can lie to the census about these things. In addition, the idea of transgender identification increasing under the Obama administration is similar to the idea of an "increase in autism" during the 1990s and early 2000's. While it's not impossible that the prevalence of autism actually increased, the much more likely scenario is that the changes in medical and diagnostic practices simply led to an increase in diagnosed cases of autism. Ergo, it was likely always there, but it's simply easier to identify now.

From what I understand, Biology determines sex, but Gender is not about sex, rather it's about identity psychology and sociology.

If you are born male, then your sex is male, if you identify as female then your gender is female.

On agree to disagree, I agree! I do believe exceptions exist, but primarily when it comes to big decisions with a significant impact. But beyond that, what ultimately defines a person is what they're own intentions are, and who they define themselves as.

Well before posting this journal I wasn't aware that the words "sex" and "gender" had become so literally defined and used. My whole 30 year life these words appeared to be interchangeable and no one seemed to bat an eye when you used one over the other. I guess a byproduct of not hanging out on any social media is that I didn't receive the memo about "sex" and "gender's" true definitions. >_>

If I had known that I wouldn't have used "sex" as opposed to "gender."

As said in other comments I don't take major issue to those with gender dysphoria, I understand that people with gender dysphoria are indeed physically one sex (male or female genitalia and reproductive organs) and in their mind they are another gender. (male, female, other.)

I understand that there are also some people that may have some kind of emotional issues, for example those who suffered abuse, were bullied and so on that caused a transgender shift. Though not being born with gender dysphoria the is a possibility that they developed something akin to it. These people I don't have major issue with either, but these personal life issues could be talked about with friends, family, and if the money were available meeting with a psychiatrist, psychologist or therapist depending on what is needed. I list all three as I know each are different.

What I take issue with however are the ones that likely do not have either of the two aforementioned things. The ones that "flipped a switch" and just decided to be transgender for whatever reason. At least from what I have seen this seems to be what a large number of transgender people are. There's a reason why some have coined the joke "I sexual identify as an attack helicopter." I get the logic behind it, if a person can flip a switch and decide to be another gender then the same can be said of that exaggerated phrase. Obviously I am not speaking terrible ill of these people, but if they can simply choose to be another gender then equally so I can choose to not 100% agree with that choice, so agree to disagree is very apt there.

Also thank you for commenting in a civil fashion, I appreciate that. >_>

"The ones that "flipped a switch" and just decided to be transgender for whatever reason. At least from what I have seen this seems to be what a large number of transgender people are." How do you know that? Why would it even matter to you, one way or the other, beyond some weird busybody compulsion? Have you ever considered that the attack helicopter meme still makes fun of the 'actually' trans people you say you don't have a problem with, especially since its specifically comparing them to a thing, not a person?

I strongly suggest you disregard your preconceptions and assumptions about whats 'Science and biology' and whatever and really do actual research. Like others have said here, science and biology supports the existence of trans people, and assuming others are being dishonest with no real reason (Im going to assume the trans people that you've actually met, like your friend, you don't think are dishonest about it,.), that clouds your judgement over all of them as a whole is dishonest in of itself. Correct me if Im wrong, but Im going to assume you believe this because of internet drama outbreaks or whatever you want to call them? A really vocal, publicised minority shouldn't define an entire group for you, or else you wouldn't be able to take anybody at their word because you can 'curate' that as much as you'd like. In this thread alone we have a guy who is absolutely transphobic ranting about Obama enabling pedophiles to creep into bathrooms or whatever. I could just as easily treat you as if you were exactly like that kind of wingnut (Look, you even agree with one of his points!!!) even though by your own admission, you are not and do not hold those beliefs. You can see why that would be intellectually dishonest, right?

While I agree that 9-puzzle should really stop digging the hole he's in, one agreed point doesn't necessarily mean that he's equal to that individual. He might not even mean what he's saying in the same way. I agree, it's hard to tell what someone really believes in this climate, but I'm pretty sure 9-puzzle isn't speaking from malice like some other people might be. He may be misinformed, yes, but the reason he made this journal was likely an attempt to help everyone calm down and realize we're all people here.

Even if that attempt may have miserably crashed, burned, and disintegrated upon atmospheric re-entry.

Thats kind of the point I was making: I don't think he's equal to that individual at all, but I can just as easily assume they are and say that, since they're on the 'same side' and I can cite puzzle specifically agreeing with one of his points to treat and assume he is just as insane by association, if I were to use that same logic/method. Sorry if I wasn't as clear as I'd have liked to be on that.

Yeah, I agree there. Its a big yikes from me.

"The ones that "flipped a switch" and just decided to be transgender for whatever reason. At least from what I have seen this seems to be what a large number of transgender people are."

No, just no.

I agree with what you said, and feel it's brave that you touched upon it. This recent movement is really sickening.

I used to have trans friends, but now I feel scared of talking to such people, because I might say something that goes against their religious dogma, and I'll get destroyed.

Again, this wasn't always the case, but...... guess modern millennials hate the idea of being strong and able to withstand views which are only 90% supportive of them, or to have to provide argumentation for their stance.

What movement? The fact that people want to be respected for their life choices? The fact that people want to not have their rights erased by uninformed persons in government?

And how is wanting to be the gender they truly feel they are a "religious" thing? Your comment is so baffling it's hard to handle.