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I do not support Trusted-Artists anymore.
6 years ago
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First of all DON'T go bother them or any of the people managing that group, they still do a useful service and they work pretty hard on it.
The reason I don't support that group anymore is because they have taken a stance against humour once it poked at an artist they like. People are memeing about how ridiculously high some art is being sold for, and they disapprove of that type of humour, they started telling the artists to stop making fun of each other because that's not what the group represents, mixing the trustworthyness of their bussiness along with their personal opinions, jokes and criticisms of one another.
I'm happy for artists who make it that far and can earn a lot of money with little work, makes me hopeful that maybe one day I can make it too.
But that doesn't make the memes and jokes any less funny. We need the comedy, we need the jokes, even if they are at the expense of someone we know... or ourselves.
The line is when it becomes harrassment, which has not happened, and if it does then FA has rules for it and the offenders get punished. But until then it's just people having a little bit of fun, they just want a laugh, and we all need a laugh.
I suggested the group to keep their personal opinions personal, and share them in their personal galleries instead of making their TA group take a stance on people making fun of each other, they refused, they want the group to stand for a set of opinions now instead of just being a list of artists you can trust in that they will give you what you paid for.
So, yeah, their badge now represents a set of "values" that I can't associate with. I like comedy to be free and explore near the line, I like when nobody is exempt from criticism, I like when each of us can share our opinions and criticism in our personal corners of the internet specially when it's done as comedy, satire... when it's funny. It brightens my day.
I will keep drawing stick figures with a huge realistic dong, and Nick and Judy with huge dong and boobs, making fun of other artists and myself in the process. They don't like that now, and I don't like them for that.
The group was nice while it was just about listing artists you can trust in that they will give you what you paid for. But now they are taking stances about the personal opinions of their artists... now it's political, and I don't associate with their opinion, they don't represent my opinion.
The reason I don't support that group anymore is because they have taken a stance against humour once it poked at an artist they like. People are memeing about how ridiculously high some art is being sold for, and they disapprove of that type of humour, they started telling the artists to stop making fun of each other because that's not what the group represents, mixing the trustworthyness of their bussiness along with their personal opinions, jokes and criticisms of one another.
I'm happy for artists who make it that far and can earn a lot of money with little work, makes me hopeful that maybe one day I can make it too.
But that doesn't make the memes and jokes any less funny. We need the comedy, we need the jokes, even if they are at the expense of someone we know... or ourselves.
The line is when it becomes harrassment, which has not happened, and if it does then FA has rules for it and the offenders get punished. But until then it's just people having a little bit of fun, they just want a laugh, and we all need a laugh.
I suggested the group to keep their personal opinions personal, and share them in their personal galleries instead of making their TA group take a stance on people making fun of each other, they refused, they want the group to stand for a set of opinions now instead of just being a list of artists you can trust in that they will give you what you paid for.
So, yeah, their badge now represents a set of "values" that I can't associate with. I like comedy to be free and explore near the line, I like when nobody is exempt from criticism, I like when each of us can share our opinions and criticism in our personal corners of the internet specially when it's done as comedy, satire... when it's funny. It brightens my day.
I will keep drawing stick figures with a huge realistic dong, and Nick and Judy with huge dong and boobs, making fun of other artists and myself in the process. They don't like that now, and I don't like them for that.
The group was nice while it was just about listing artists you can trust in that they will give you what you paid for. But now they are taking stances about the personal opinions of their artists... now it's political, and I don't associate with their opinion, they don't represent my opinion.
The group not representing every individual member's personal opinions in their own personal galleries comes without saying. If they don't want to deal with SJW notes, that's lazyness, they could have chosen to have a premade response for that "We are only a list of artists you can trust in a paid transaction, we do not represent their personal opinions in any way" But instead of dealing with it, they chose to take a stance and give the group itself personal values in the form of "we don't approve of artists making fun of each other" ... that is political, and it does not represent my opinion, so I chose to not wear their badge anymore.
If it was only "Remember to be nice to each other. Have a nice day" nobody would have a problem with it. The problem started when they, in the name of the group, decided to voice an opinion on a specific artist's meme of the high price situation. The group was about artists who are professional in their transactions until that.
I'm too old for you to successfully get under my skin with your personal provocations. Here we can agree to disagree and end the argument. If you insist on taking it personal against me, then I'll block you. This journal was to explain why I decided to not support that group, that's all.
Will also point out that the founder is a miles fan so not surprised he took it personally and involved ta like it's their problem.
Censorship is if I attempt to prevent you from saying whatever you want in your space. You're totally free to share your mind in your gallery, including all your personal opinions about me, and I'll fight for your right to do so if anyone tries to stop you as long as you don't turn it into an harrassment campaign.
Why I said you're close to that admin? Because it's true and that information saved Bloodceles from wasting their time with you like I did until I found out that fact.
I was wearing their badge for a neutral reason: A list of artists who are reliable on their business. Now that they are taking a stance on the discussion they become a group about ideals, and wheter I agree or disagree with those ideals I want my opinion to be only my own, so I chose to dettach.
Are you Vision, born yesterday?
Or are you unable to understand the difference between personal and private?
In spite of what you say, you seem disinterested in either discussion or alternate opinions. I'm going to just assume that you're virtue signalling and drop the matter there.
For other people reading this: What I suggested these people is to keep their opinions personal, as in share them as themselves, not in the name of the TA group (which is why I don't support them anymore), and this person seems to be thinking I was suggesting them to keep their opinions private, as in... not sharing them at all.
I like everyone to be able to voice their opinion on anything, even if I don't like their opinion. This is why I support memes and mockery of what other artists do, it's criticism, opinions, satire. The line is when it turns into harrassment, I do not encourage that at all. And I'm personally happy for artists making a ton of money for their work, good on them.
Out of respect, we ask you now if you like us to keep or remove you from our approved list and watch list. You don't have to wear our badge (this has always been optional). After all, you are still a good artist who is by all accounts trustworthy.
We won't just remove an artist over a quarrel with the group. If you could please advise where you would like us to take this in relation to your name on our list, we will act accordingly.
Regards
Gem-Wolf
TA Administrator
I don't think it's fair to still keep me in the trusted list if I'm not gonna support the group in return anymore. I'd prefer to be removed from the list.