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To all the bondage peep (THICK RANT)
6 years ago
This little comic is being torn by down-votes. A guy explains possible reasons in one of the comments. Do you think the basic rules of BDSM needs to be applied to fiction? I don't. It doesn't deserve this.
https://e621.net/post/show/1807984/.....und-canid-cani
WARNING: LONG, LONG RANT AHEAD! IT CAME OUT AFTER WATCHING THE SITUATION WITH THIS PICTURE. The situation there is'nt exaggerated, but as you'll read you'll find that yes, it happens often enough for the thought to come to mind even when reading of such a simpler and more vague case.
I up-voted, of course. People need to understand that in comics/books/whatever things don't need to be like they are in real life and that, if someone likes being violent in narration (and it isn't happening here) it doesn't mean he/she will be such outside of it as well.
Among the things that separates a sane mind from one prone to violence is the ability to distinguish imagination from facts. Something someone that claims these story shouldn't be written/illustrated due to them happening in our world doesn't seem to be very capable of.
Another thing that separates an ill mind from an healthy one is empathy: the ability to feel other people's pain and suffering. Putting someone down because he/she is attracted to something you don't condone doesn't describe such behavior.
You like flogging people? You imagine yourself living as a slave? Maybe you imagine yourself as the slaver. Hell, maybe you like knife-play? Stomping entire cities under your feet. As long as you don't ->ACTUALLY HURT ANYONE<- and you only watch/create FICTIONAL CONTENT-->
---> go crazy. Keep in mind: your rights end where someone else's begin and if you're going around ruining people just because they like reading a book with horses fucking each other but one of them is saying no then YOU'RE the one stepping on their rights, not them on yours.
Saying that they're rapists because of it equates to calling Sean S. Cunningham a murderer because he made Friday The 13th. And concealing EVERY ABUSE SCENE IN NARRATION isn't going to discourage NOR incentive actual abuses!
Do you also think murders would disappear if thriller movies were gone? NO THEY WOULDN'T, rapists don't give a shit, nor do murderers. We're free to write whatever we want, to depict whatever we want, as long as the INTENT behind it is NOT divulging violence.
If you don't agree stop watching everything. Because anything at any moment can spark the behavior you're so terribly afraid of. And by acting this way you're not fighting it. You're just being an abuser yourself. Often towards people who DON'T deserve it.
UNNNNH sorry I needed it.
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https://e621.net/post/show/1807984/.....und-canid-cani
WARNING: LONG, LONG RANT AHEAD! IT CAME OUT AFTER WATCHING THE SITUATION WITH THIS PICTURE. The situation there is'nt exaggerated, but as you'll read you'll find that yes, it happens often enough for the thought to come to mind even when reading of such a simpler and more vague case.
I up-voted, of course. People need to understand that in comics/books/whatever things don't need to be like they are in real life and that, if someone likes being violent in narration (and it isn't happening here) it doesn't mean he/she will be such outside of it as well.
Among the things that separates a sane mind from one prone to violence is the ability to distinguish imagination from facts. Something someone that claims these story shouldn't be written/illustrated due to them happening in our world doesn't seem to be very capable of.
Another thing that separates an ill mind from an healthy one is empathy: the ability to feel other people's pain and suffering. Putting someone down because he/she is attracted to something you don't condone doesn't describe such behavior.
You like flogging people? You imagine yourself living as a slave? Maybe you imagine yourself as the slaver. Hell, maybe you like knife-play? Stomping entire cities under your feet. As long as you don't ->ACTUALLY HURT ANYONE<- and you only watch/create FICTIONAL CONTENT-->
---> go crazy. Keep in mind: your rights end where someone else's begin and if you're going around ruining people just because they like reading a book with horses fucking each other but one of them is saying no then YOU'RE the one stepping on their rights, not them on yours.
Saying that they're rapists because of it equates to calling Sean S. Cunningham a murderer because he made Friday The 13th. And concealing EVERY ABUSE SCENE IN NARRATION isn't going to discourage NOR incentive actual abuses!
Do you also think murders would disappear if thriller movies were gone? NO THEY WOULDN'T, rapists don't give a shit, nor do murderers. We're free to write whatever we want, to depict whatever we want, as long as the INTENT behind it is NOT divulging violence.
If you don't agree stop watching everything. Because anything at any moment can spark the behavior you're so terribly afraid of. And by acting this way you're not fighting it. You're just being an abuser yourself. Often towards people who DON'T deserve it.
UNNNNH sorry I needed it.
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In any case I can't imagine that comic under-performing on FA if that makes you feel better.
And I agree. It would be rather troublesome.
I did read that comment you referenced as well and... yeah it makes no sense. Like if this comic really attacks someone's perception of the character (Nick in this example) then they really need to lay off. That would be like if the entire MLP community got into an uproar because some artists like to depict the main characters in bondage/peril. I suppose seeing this though makes me glad that FA doesn't have a downvote system otherwise there would probably be a lot of this kind of stuff happening. Also makes me hesitant about using e621 in general because if posting stuff there that involves licensed characters in bondage incites such response then I could imagine it being very discouraging for artists.
Yeah, like, obviously personalities are going to be a bit re-arranged here and there to fit the fetish and the specific fantasy and setting in every picture/story or whatever it is. Of course that doesn't mean everyone have to like it. But one should be able to keep on living even when something they don't like exist, especially if it's something SO SILLY!
And I might be a little bit of a dick, but whenever it's put that way I can't help but think there's a kid behind the keyboard.
Naturally if someone safewords in real life or gives a safety signal, yes, drop everything and make sure they're okay, but as far as I see, this could be a consentual non-con scene, and lord knows from my SL days I've had enough people ruining my fun by 'saving me'.
If I wrote a bdsm scene, and had the dom breaking some rules, I would tag it with bad domming and a disclaimer saying I don't support this. Mostly because it is an important point, and without it we end up with things like 50 shades and Gor. And it's why in some of my non-con works I make explicit mention of the fact the sub didn't have a safeword, and that the dom sits there and listen to make sure it's fine.
"I've had enough people ruining my fun by 'saving me'."
Your pain is SO felt.
If you're down-voting stuff, or leaving nasty comments on porn you don't like, you're not that different from the pearl clutching old ladys, and politicans trying to ban violent videogames for causing rl violence.
It's a little convolluted, I wish I could word it better but I'm Italian and struggling with english in complicated conversations X°D
Everything is a scene where negotiations are made before things ever begin, no matter how tame things are.
Expectations are made, and there will be end goals.
Yes bad things can happen, and then after care is provided, but this is a fantasy.
Even in this situation there are actions that are so out of place that sign that might be the way to signal. Say hum happy birthday or a random song.
Added on top this is indeed fiction, the point of fiction is to do some desires that any healthy mind would be kind of a roleplay if they're not "consensual 100%" a lot of Bdsm has to do with pretending and pre-planning.
Once again this is fiction which has a slightly wider line. And mostly portrayed with a consent undertone; anyone with a right mind gets its freaking fiction and to to be repeated.
BTW quite surprising this is coming from the same sate which still has a "young" tag to this day..
If you tag something with “BDSM”, you might run afoul of that group.
2. If being duct taped would get rid of their freedom to stop any activity from harm using a safe word, why are gags in BDSM a thing in the first place? Also, safety signals, hello?
3. Ever heard of implication? That maybe there was a chance that they roleplayed this out? >_> Because as much as non-consent is easy to believe, that DOES happen.
4. """"the drawing is not that good"""" why was this even here XD
5. Lastly the idea that this was even up for discussion in Belmont's head is completely stupid. Can't imagine someone having all these long arguments fighting for the rights of a fictional character.,
Yes things such as that happen in real life too. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be depicted. Even in fetish. I would add "they help such people venting too" but that would add to the convinction that people who would do this things for real wouldn't do it whether these product existed or not, which is absolutely false. When someone has as an objective to act on certain ideas there's absolutely nothing a fantasy product can do. They won't influence him to step forward nor to step back. They'll just do it. Which is why eradicating everything involving said behaviour in their narrations is absolutely useless. After all such things existed much before art was even a thing.
Even if there are bacground details about a character's life, it's up to the artist to make it like s/he wanted it or not.
Judging by the pic, he looks okay with it, he essentially made sure she gave him trust about the bondage, why people got salty anyway is a mystery..