I swear.. the AFB looks and sounds like a scam and some stupid self-righteous group.. read the article and that's what it came out to me. Just feels like they're shittalking and blocking people who don't agree with their opinions ex. "If you like this people then you're a bigot, nazi, homophobe, etc."

This kind of shit really shouldn't be in the fandom..

I had never heard of this before, though to be fair I don't really use much of the social website stuff. It was an interesting read, thank you.

sorry, not interested. not interested in fascist crap either.
the whole people having problems with each other thing doesn't interest me.
neither does big effing deals about anything.

i don't know about you, but i don't live in a universe that was created to be a backdrop for human society.

we do live on a planet we can screw up and screw ourselves by doing so,
but to the rest of the universe, it is just another grain of sand.

imagination interests me. little people sized trains, quirky little houses, and forested mountains that go on forever.
but all this other crap, vengence begets vengence and there is no honor in any of it.

The same moment I ever heard of this blocklist, a long time ago, I've seen from my own eyes somebody who wanted to be added to that blocklist just because he saw that was a farce. The admin of that blocklist immediatly granted him his wish, just for that reason.
So for those who are still questioning the truth of all this, yes, this blocklist is an immense farce with absolutely NO objective point of view - typical of actual internet kids who never learnt what it means to think and check facts before typing, and/or are seeking immediate fame with whatever subject they will find, the most shocking being the better.
It's very ironical that authoritarian powers (like nazism) began exactly with this kind of ideas and people.

Looks like libel to me: maliciously or negligently publishing defamatory material which has caused damage.

Do you see? This is why I don't use most (anti-) social media. I haven't found one that isn't a cesspit of one type or another. I don't care about #blocklists because I don't deal with that sort of internet charnel house. I hope I am blocked, proactively, because it doesn't matter.

Yes, I hate social media. Why? I have a User Page for that: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/perfesser-bear/

ah there you are...

Haha, been added to a few of em myself at one point or another, despite hating the alt right. Blocklists are for cowards.

So they added you back to the blacklist again ?

First off, there is an important thing missing from the discussion in this write up, and that's the notion of freedom of association. The core of which is you both have the right to associate with those you wish to, and not to associate those you don't wish to. When it comes to social media, this right still generally exists though is contingent on tools being available to make it functional as part of the mechanisms of the website. So in the general derision of this particular tool for association vs non-association, it is important to remember that such a tool existing in general, a grand unified block list for what ever purpose you so like, is not inherently a terrible thing. Like anything of the sort, it is a tool, and it is up to us how it is used. Though this write up didn't explicitly call such a list in general a bad thing it does insinuate such by the lack of establishing this grounding. Hence why one of the other commenters here has already shouted libel. There's clearly an encouragement of a misunderstanding regarding block lists in general in order to target this specific one.

Second, this write up makes three general charges against the block list, its operator(s), and its users: That it is a poorly constructed list that includes people who should not be on the list, that the appeals process is in some fashion unfair, and that the operator(s) and some fraction of the users are terrible people for various reasons. To a certain degree all of these items have interlinked elements of self-fullfilling prophecy, a lot of the twitter evidence involves blacked out user names making verification of the presented evidence difficult, and miss the fact that one does not need to an actual nazi to be kind of a crappy person that might cause enough trouble to get on a block list or who may want to use a block list because they don't like somebody or a bunch of somebodys. But I feel compelled to point out a couple specific items in all this tangle. First up, if the view is that the operator(s) of the list are just that terrible, as are some or even most of the list's users are just that awful of people (either for explicit instances of bad behavior or because they used a block list at all), then why would you want to interact with them? If that's not the case, then why must they be required to interact with you, when they may feel that you are not someone they should be compelled to interact with? Again, there's a freedom of association thing here that's kind of being glossed over. But I digress. There is apparent in all this a misunderstanding perhaps of the why of people being added to the list. Yes, some of it is black box, because as a privately operated list that is their prerogative. But over time I've noticed several attempts to either make assumptions about that standard or to suggest that there simply isn't one that's consistent or sensible (like as presented in the linked item). Doxi cites the phrase “This machine blocks fascists”. But does the block list only block fascists? Perhaps the block list blocks alt-right adjacent people. Perhaps it blocks people who have engaged in harassment of others. And sure, perhaps it blocks people who annoyed the original list creator at some point and thus got blocked. Those that use it however have come to trust the maintainer(s) enough to trust their judgement. And if the general goal of the list is to increase quality of life of the users and to reduce harassment, then as long as it is doing that, then is that not good enough as far as meeting its goals? An imperfect tool to save people time and stress on their mental health, and to, you know, cut down on the harassment campaigns, seems better than no tool.

Third, in all of this there is being lost a super obvious solution to all the snipping. Assuming one is okay with the general concept of a block list at least. (And you have not established a clear position on that in this writeup.) If you don't like how this list is maintained, who maintains it, or anything else about this list, there is something you can do right now: make your own block list. Be up front and clear about what its for, how people get on the list, who maintains it, what the appeals process is, ect ect. Basically all the things you have derided here, make a list where they are not issues. And make it the direct competition to the alt-furry block list. If you want it to only block actual nazis, there you go. Make that the mission statement. Just make sure you spell out what criteria you use to determine who is and is not a nazi, so your alternative block list is not similarly dinged for being too vague, and so you don't add anyone who is merely a white nationalist, but who doesn't self identify as a nazi. Don't want your list to take into consideration off twitter activities? Then spell that out as well, so people know that the guy posting all the anti-semetic memes on reddit might not get caught by your list if he keeps his twitter clean of that garbage. You can even make the appeals process to be removed from the block list super straightforward. After all, if someone comes to you and says they did nothing wrong and they are simply a centrist without a hateful bone in their body, and all those white power memes were posted ironically and those constant comments about a women's place being in the kitchen are just him having fun and not a sign of a deeper want to control women as property, then why not remove them from the list. See, you have the power to create a tool to compete with the AFB. You can even advertise all over and get tons of people signing up for it super quick. I'm sure of it. After all, if you got all the answers to why the AFB is just the worst, why not come up with an actual better solution for the needs of the people who feel safer using such a tool? This is your chance to supplant your enemies at the center of the defense of the downtrodden. And I'm sure, given that's kind of what what you wrote up is trying to do I guess, that seems like something you'd want to do.

Holy shit what is this wall of text. Do you know how paragraphs work?

The BIG problem is the divisiveness.

I found out about this whole absurdity by TRYING to follow a fairly talented artist. and found I was prematurely blocked.

So I don't get the chance to ask HOW I could have possibly offended.

This is insanity.

What if the criminals of the antifanazi hate group (their behavior is a DIRECT copy of the nazis.) decide to come after me in real life?

Does this silly "tool" dox people?

They are an OBVIOUS terrorist group.

If these idiots block themselves of from communications, then how will we ever reach consensus and peace.

I think I can identify why people may have blocked you. By declaring anti fascists as the same as fascists. Making spurious claims about a block list being a doxxing tool. Declaring everybody who dares block you a terrorist. And deciding that people not wanting to put up with your nonsense is just the worst thing ever.

Now you know why people don't want to talk to you. Hope that helps!

Sigh...

pull your head out and reread that.

1) the antifanazis ARE ACTING like regular nazis

2) nothing spurious about the possibility of doxxing. which would put people in danger from the terrorist group of antifanazis.

3) I was PREEMPTIVELY blocked. you obviously don't read you moron.

4) ANY one who doesn't listen to REASONABLE LOGICAL convo is NOT human. PERIOD.

5) I'm OBVIOUSLY a good guy and you are quite clearly an enemy of humanity so nothing I say is "nonsense".

1. I'm really curious how you feel those fighting fascists are plotting the extermination of the various targets of the nazis (such as jews, romani, homosexuals, the disabled, ect), installing one party rule in the name of nationalism and racial superiority, and seeking to restore a mythological version of the past to replace the decadent present. Because that seems like none of the things they're up to. But if you have more up to date information, I'm all ears.

2. You have no idea how a block list works, do you?

3. Maybe someone who knows you realized you were insufferable and insisted on comparing everyone you didn't like to nazis? Did you think of that?

4. Interesting. Of course if you were making much of a point at all using that logic you like, you might have a point.

5. You have assumed you are a good guy. Which is safe psychologically to prevent the death of one's self esteem. But I'm going to need a bit more proof that you're not a random internet crazy person who comments on a person's comment almost a year after they comment. I mean, it sounds a bit wacky and makes me doubt your stability and good intentions. But I might be wrong, and this horrible first impression is indeed disconnected from the reality of you. But... I don't got any evidence of this so far that you're more than this terrible first impression. So what am I supposed to do?

Sigh...

grow up.

Ah yes, mister logic who couldn't even provide thing 1 to support any of his claims is now frustrated that someone didn't just roll over and agree to his unfounded assertions sans evidence. Its almost like you not only have no clue what a block list is but you also don't know what a logical argument is. And yet you have the gall to claim you're the one with 'reasonable logic' around here.

Again, this kind of stuff might be why people don't want to talk to you or interact with you in any way. I hope you take this in and learn that your reflexive hostility really turns people off.

Meh I don't argue with idiots.

Go pull your head outta your ass and do some research and educate yourself then when you've gained some logic and honesty then you can talk to me.

Ah yes, research. Like all that research you did on block lists. Or antifa. Or what evidence is.

Like dude, I'm super having fun with this, but I have no clue what you're trying to get out of this at this point.

I mean, you keep replying and I keep snarking. Like, is everything okay at home?

sigh you still don't get it. I was concise and correct. you are just being a brat. I'm just waiting on you to grow up/educated/evolved enough to be a human...

if you can...

lemme know if you ever do...

meh...

Concise, sure. Correct? Hardly. Again, simply asserting things to be true doesn't make them true. I don't know how else to explain how you're failing to make a case about anything. I know its frustrating to face the reality of your disconnect, but if you ever hope to learn to connect with others as that human being, you're going to need to face the reality that your self assurance about what the world is all about does not make the world actually like that. That your ego has gotten in the way of being able to see the truth of what is, has gotten in the way of letting you learn independently, has gotten in the way of your ability to even make a coherent argument based on evidence.

As I've told students before, show your work to prove your case, don't just claim an answer is the correct answer.

I've already showed my work. if YOU can't accept proof...

Hahaha, that's a good one.

...

Oh wait you're being serious. You actually think anything you've said has involved presenting a collection of actual evidence interlaced with an argument in support of some point. And isn't just you claiming stuff is true and then getting angry when I call you out on it.

The internet came forth into the world and ye, with it, infinite communication. But alas, infinite communication was not without consequence. The wagging tongues of the masses could not be contained, and they did start arguing and bickering, even unto the creation of Godwin's Law! And ye, to end the endless arguments, every political view became unto "that which the Nazis stood for" for everyone. No one was excluded from being called a Nazi. Even you. And you. And you. Except them, they didn't like politics, they were just being passive while these Communist Nazi Terrorists were plotting to destroy America. For that was the age when the internet WAS America and only America. It still believes it's only America. For it is the internet and that is law. Other nations must lack our good taste in porn - even though they draw most of it. But the dark magic of the meme continued and brought forth a new darkness in the age to come. Picking up on the rhetoric, the media brought forth actual supposed Nazis. ZOMBIE NAZIS they told us. They had Tiki Torches and a really really weird fetish for a (Germanically speaking) obscure conflict fought on a completely different continent and strangely having nothing to do with Alsace-Lorraine. And so, being the numbed brains they were (that's why you go on the internet), the internet concluded they were wrong. It wasn't that the other people, you know, the ones that disagreed with them, supported ideas that they attributed to Nazis (factual or not) but they WERE ACTUAL nazis. Nazis. Nazis EVERYWHERE. They always kind of suspected this. And of course, these people were also terrorists. And communists. And every other pejorative they learned back in grade school and that one clever one from high school. They started attacking each other, but they perceived and remembered that all their tongue wagging was futile. No one was convinced. So they did the only thing left they could do. They jammed their fingers in their ears and acted like being deaf meant the other person would stop arguing against them. Kind of how a toddler believes you disappear when you cover your eyes. And if you stop arguing on the internet, you must have agreed that the other person won! That's right! That IS how it works after all. Last person in the argument always wins - especially if they can ban the other person from the chat or forum. On the bright side, this does get rid of having to listen to things they didn't like and their tongues did wag less. They could REALLY use a break for their tongue wagging after decades of fruitless argument. But - it does not actually eliminate the other person, it only insulates them into their own world where everyone wagged their tongues the same and all were in agreement, for they decided to act like no one else was there. Each believes they are the majority and strangely has a wet dream to win a civil war against the other like some kind of red dawn but with Newt Gingrich biting the arm of Hillary Clinton. Alsace-Lorraine is also, strangely, still outside of the scope of the prize. Only America. And in the end, there was sadly either joy, for they wagged their tongues together until they caused the meme to create new universes for each to live in... or their was misery, for their fingers in their ears did not make the others go away - it only empowered them act without being open to opposition from without so that they could agree that reality was theirs for the taking... that the other, or most of the other had always just been a figment of their imagination to begin with. Or maybe just misery as one universe tried to devour the others. Or maybe we're lucky and we all grew too fat and enjoyed cat memes and soda pop to really do anything and it was all just pointless tongue wagging to satisfy the desires of the great interweb. For in the end, time shall tell, you vial zeta reticulon nazi supporter of Castro's beard!

Me? I'm just gonna play over here while the rest of you burn the world down. >_> ... <_< ... Try not to burn down my sand castle. Please? @_@ It will look all melty and gross and no one likes glass on a beach!

Meanwhile any of these lists are circumvented with smurf accounts.

This lol
You're probably accepting evil nazi blood money and don't even know it.

You are becoming the furry Tim Pool.