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thoughts on listing 'male only/female only' in YCH's
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JOURNAL STARTS HERE so some thoughts on NSFW YCH's in regards to how they're advertised/the info on them;
I've run into this a lot since I've recently started looking at buying some YCH's. SO many just write 'male only' or 'female only' but when i ask if trans male with a vagina is ok I get told that they basically meant flat chested characters with a dick. Which is fine!! it's OK to just wanna draw a dick!
and i know it's not something people really tend to think about. This is certainly something I've done myself and never noticed until it was me looking to buy.
It's just frustrating that people say 'male only' but my character is male and excluded cause he doesn't have a dick. it feels like writing 'male only' is reinforcing the idea that male = penis and penis = male (and the same with writing female only meaning boobs+vagina).
I figure a fix for this would be to instead write what parts are ok for the pose? eg 'flat chested characters with a penis'
and I know I can't tell people what to write, and my intent definitely isn't to say 'if you say male you should be willing to draw males with all types of genitals', I don't want to dictate what people draw, I just want clearer information on if a YCH is right for my character. At this point i look at YCH's and just resign myself to not bothering because I dont want to go through asking 'hey is my trans guy character who has a vagina ok for this?' and risk the rejection for not being the kind of male they had in mind.
I brought this up on twitter and a few people said they hadn't thought of that before and will be changing what they write from now on which was good! I just hope maybe some more of us can take a few seconds longer when writing out YCH info to write what parts they'll draw for it instead of just saying 'male here' or 'female here' (cause the list of parts is a far shorter list than the minefield of writing what genders since gender doesn't specify parts.)
anyway, what're you thoughts?
I've run into this a lot since I've recently started looking at buying some YCH's. SO many just write 'male only' or 'female only' but when i ask if trans male with a vagina is ok I get told that they basically meant flat chested characters with a dick. Which is fine!! it's OK to just wanna draw a dick!
and i know it's not something people really tend to think about. This is certainly something I've done myself and never noticed until it was me looking to buy.
It's just frustrating that people say 'male only' but my character is male and excluded cause he doesn't have a dick. it feels like writing 'male only' is reinforcing the idea that male = penis and penis = male (and the same with writing female only meaning boobs+vagina).
I figure a fix for this would be to instead write what parts are ok for the pose? eg 'flat chested characters with a penis'
and I know I can't tell people what to write, and my intent definitely isn't to say 'if you say male you should be willing to draw males with all types of genitals', I don't want to dictate what people draw, I just want clearer information on if a YCH is right for my character. At this point i look at YCH's and just resign myself to not bothering because I dont want to go through asking 'hey is my trans guy character who has a vagina ok for this?' and risk the rejection for not being the kind of male they had in mind.
I brought this up on twitter and a few people said they hadn't thought of that before and will be changing what they write from now on which was good! I just hope maybe some more of us can take a few seconds longer when writing out YCH info to write what parts they'll draw for it instead of just saying 'male here' or 'female here' (cause the list of parts is a far shorter list than the minefield of writing what genders since gender doesn't specify parts.)
anyway, what're you thoughts?
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That being said, specificity would help to avoid confusion like that.
I'd like to think that people would know that any transgender characters or characters presenting a little differently to the "norm" (though what really is normal anyway?) are welcome (especially where I note that all genders are accepted and to just ask if unsure) but I'll be sure to add an extra line noting that going forward.
I know some artists have a bit of a language barrier so they tend not to have very good info on ychs, communicating info like that may be difficult, but it's easy enough to just ask if a certain character is okay. I find that gets the job done
Thankfully a lot I come across personally are open to whatever or specifically state character must have "X" or fit similar to how drawn
Plus if they ARE ok with putting a character in there who may be 'flat chested with a vagina', but don't specify that, and the YCH ends up being won by one person who is expecting the other slot their character is paired with to be 'flat chested with a dick' but they actually get their character paired with 'flat chested with a vagina' when they hadn't expected that.
I think specifying body parts would be more inclusive and gives everyone more information on what could be involved, than saying a gender and unintentionally excluding part of that group, or unintentionally putting a character with a trans character with parts that the other person isn't into. (and just to say in relation to that, i think it's 100% ok and not in any way transphobic to have a genital preference! I'd never blame someone for being upset that they got paired with a character with parts they're not interested in, when it wasn't specified publicly that it was an option)