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We need to talk about "nazifurs"
6 years ago
So last night I had made a twitter thread about this meme the furry community has with so-called “nazifurs”. It was a thread written in the dead of night by a weary and poorly soul who couldn’t get off to sleep because the coughing fits would always wake him up. So I took it as an opportunity to get something else off of my chest as well as the phlegm.
If you’re just here for the art of the goat and bunny and you don’t care for my meta-analysis of the communities involved in this little shit show, then don’t let this journal entry bother you in the slightest. But we do need to have a talk about this whole “nazifurs” business, because for the last five years, I’ve seen many people on here obsess and rave about a problem that isn’t even that big to begin with. And with the way they’re behaving it’s akin to putting out a chip pan fire with water – it makes the problem worse.
MUCH worse.
So where to begin? Let’s start by analyzing the kind of people I believe better defines what you furs are getting bothered about, only more accurately. I’m talking about the people who frequent 4chan, the reason I’m focusing on them is because I believe most negativity in the wider online community could be attributed to them. Where it is a place that has originated a lot of memes and hilarity, there’s nowhere else you’d be able to engage conversation while breaking as many social taboos (n-word this, LGBT-bash that, Nazi this, blackface that) as possible. It is a characteristic unique of 4chan; because there’s no consequence for what you say, there are theoretically no boundaries that can be pushed. That’s why a lot of the things that get put on there are illegal, offensive, and just outright allude to promised actions of violence on their own local communities.
But this isn’t all that gets on there. Behind the boards that get the most traction like /b/ or /pol/ or what have you, you have another subdomain called /r9k/. For those that aren’t aware, this is they would send personal anecdotes, small slices of life into what it is like to be them. Originally, it was a board with a unique script that would filter reposts of earlier content, so memetic content was discouraged. Without this veil of post-ironic humour the posters would then (in theory) develop it’s own subculture.
Why is this important?
Because it reveals the true nature of the people who post there, and the vast majority of them are nihilistic, withdrawn, socially awkward people who are unemployed, not in education and completely divorced from agency in and of themselves. All you have to do to come to the same conclusion is read some of the stuff they put on that board, then it’s pretty clear why they revel in the sort of humour that goes on in the other parts of the site.
It’s because they’re not invested in the societies they’re a part of. These are people who act like a nihilistic, self-absorbed cult.
And that pretty much explains a whole lot at once:
Why do they hate furry art when the stuff they like is objectively worse, or even illegal? It’s because they haven’t got the correct mental faculties to differentiate between subjective or objective value. If nothing in their life matters except what matters to them, then everything else that doesn’t fit within their purview will offend them.
Why do they post gore and n-words repeatedly and still think it’s funny in current year? It’s because they’re disconnected from the norms society dictates and they’re too far down the rabbit hole to care.
This is important to remember because at the start of this I was talking about “nazifurs”, and because I do not believe there are even that many Nazis in the world, let alone ones in this community. That’s why I keep putting that term in inverted commas, because none of what I said has anything to do with ethnonationalism or its philosophy. To them it’s just another ironic throwaway joke meant to offend others who read it.
I want to make the last point perfectly clear:
There are no Nazis in your community. Just a group of sad degenerates who have such a chip on their shoulder they can never be rid of it.
So now I’ve said that, I’ll now double down on what I’ve said on my twitter thread: this is how you ensure you minimize and mitigate the impact these people will have on you: Either talk to them or ignore them.
If you’re acquainted with one of someone you suspect is posting on that hellhole of a forum, and they’re acting in the way you might associate with a “Nazifur” then why don’t you try talking to them? Maybe convince them there’s a whole world outside for them to take advantage of and they would be far better off by pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and doing something. Don’t believe me? I used to be one of those people and now I have a full-time job. It’s not the most glamorous thing I could be doing, but it’s something! And I’m happy with it! I'm now at peace with the kind of person I am, I don't have to pretend it's degeneracy when my peers would engage in far more degenerate endeavors. My life is so much better now I'm not listening to them and I'm being honest.
If you don’t want to do that, I suggest you just ignore them. That’s not the best thing to do, but it is a way better option than acting hysterical on your timelines, your journals, your walls and your whatever. Because every time you do that, you are encouraging the people who follow you to react the same way. Furthermore, it gives the person you’re doing it do a shot of dopamine, and the people they decided to call friends a lot of satisfaction.
Is that vicious cycle something you want to keep contributing to? Don’t you think it’s time we drew a line in the sand and said “okay, this is getting both of us nowhere.”
And before you ask: no, I'm not a nazi or a racist. I've never believed ethnonationalism is a good system, I don't believe in a superior race, I don't think my country (the UK) should be ethnically cleansed to preserve the future of our indigenous people. These are not my virtues. If you’re going to post something to accuse me of something like this, then just go away. You’re not the person I want to entertain. I want to talk to people who have their eyes connected to their brains, who can read more than ten words without jumping to a conclusion of what they think someone believes before they’ve even finished explaining. In fact, I will just censor your ignorant comments to prevent you from lying about me until the only option you have is to just block me. Whine about me on facebook or twitter or go WAH WAH WAH to your admins because you’re a child in the body of an adult and you’ve not been listening to a word I’ve said.
Do the right thing here guys, it’s not even that hard and it requires even less effort.
And we can all just go back to enjoy our fucking porn.
If you’re just here for the art of the goat and bunny and you don’t care for my meta-analysis of the communities involved in this little shit show, then don’t let this journal entry bother you in the slightest. But we do need to have a talk about this whole “nazifurs” business, because for the last five years, I’ve seen many people on here obsess and rave about a problem that isn’t even that big to begin with. And with the way they’re behaving it’s akin to putting out a chip pan fire with water – it makes the problem worse.
MUCH worse.
So where to begin? Let’s start by analyzing the kind of people I believe better defines what you furs are getting bothered about, only more accurately. I’m talking about the people who frequent 4chan, the reason I’m focusing on them is because I believe most negativity in the wider online community could be attributed to them. Where it is a place that has originated a lot of memes and hilarity, there’s nowhere else you’d be able to engage conversation while breaking as many social taboos (n-word this, LGBT-bash that, Nazi this, blackface that) as possible. It is a characteristic unique of 4chan; because there’s no consequence for what you say, there are theoretically no boundaries that can be pushed. That’s why a lot of the things that get put on there are illegal, offensive, and just outright allude to promised actions of violence on their own local communities.
But this isn’t all that gets on there. Behind the boards that get the most traction like /b/ or /pol/ or what have you, you have another subdomain called /r9k/. For those that aren’t aware, this is they would send personal anecdotes, small slices of life into what it is like to be them. Originally, it was a board with a unique script that would filter reposts of earlier content, so memetic content was discouraged. Without this veil of post-ironic humour the posters would then (in theory) develop it’s own subculture.
Why is this important?
Because it reveals the true nature of the people who post there, and the vast majority of them are nihilistic, withdrawn, socially awkward people who are unemployed, not in education and completely divorced from agency in and of themselves. All you have to do to come to the same conclusion is read some of the stuff they put on that board, then it’s pretty clear why they revel in the sort of humour that goes on in the other parts of the site.
It’s because they’re not invested in the societies they’re a part of. These are people who act like a nihilistic, self-absorbed cult.
And that pretty much explains a whole lot at once:
Why do they hate furry art when the stuff they like is objectively worse, or even illegal? It’s because they haven’t got the correct mental faculties to differentiate between subjective or objective value. If nothing in their life matters except what matters to them, then everything else that doesn’t fit within their purview will offend them.
Why do they post gore and n-words repeatedly and still think it’s funny in current year? It’s because they’re disconnected from the norms society dictates and they’re too far down the rabbit hole to care.
This is important to remember because at the start of this I was talking about “nazifurs”, and because I do not believe there are even that many Nazis in the world, let alone ones in this community. That’s why I keep putting that term in inverted commas, because none of what I said has anything to do with ethnonationalism or its philosophy. To them it’s just another ironic throwaway joke meant to offend others who read it.
I want to make the last point perfectly clear:
There are no Nazis in your community. Just a group of sad degenerates who have such a chip on their shoulder they can never be rid of it.
So now I’ve said that, I’ll now double down on what I’ve said on my twitter thread: this is how you ensure you minimize and mitigate the impact these people will have on you: Either talk to them or ignore them.
If you’re acquainted with one of someone you suspect is posting on that hellhole of a forum, and they’re acting in the way you might associate with a “Nazifur” then why don’t you try talking to them? Maybe convince them there’s a whole world outside for them to take advantage of and they would be far better off by pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and doing something. Don’t believe me? I used to be one of those people and now I have a full-time job. It’s not the most glamorous thing I could be doing, but it’s something! And I’m happy with it! I'm now at peace with the kind of person I am, I don't have to pretend it's degeneracy when my peers would engage in far more degenerate endeavors. My life is so much better now I'm not listening to them and I'm being honest.
If you don’t want to do that, I suggest you just ignore them. That’s not the best thing to do, but it is a way better option than acting hysterical on your timelines, your journals, your walls and your whatever. Because every time you do that, you are encouraging the people who follow you to react the same way. Furthermore, it gives the person you’re doing it do a shot of dopamine, and the people they decided to call friends a lot of satisfaction.
Is that vicious cycle something you want to keep contributing to? Don’t you think it’s time we drew a line in the sand and said “okay, this is getting both of us nowhere.”
And before you ask: no, I'm not a nazi or a racist. I've never believed ethnonationalism is a good system, I don't believe in a superior race, I don't think my country (the UK) should be ethnically cleansed to preserve the future of our indigenous people. These are not my virtues. If you’re going to post something to accuse me of something like this, then just go away. You’re not the person I want to entertain. I want to talk to people who have their eyes connected to their brains, who can read more than ten words without jumping to a conclusion of what they think someone believes before they’ve even finished explaining. In fact, I will just censor your ignorant comments to prevent you from lying about me until the only option you have is to just block me. Whine about me on facebook or twitter or go WAH WAH WAH to your admins because you’re a child in the body of an adult and you’ve not been listening to a word I’ve said.
Do the right thing here guys, it’s not even that hard and it requires even less effort.
And we can all just go back to enjoy our fucking porn.
