You lost a follower. I am no Trump supporter, but I am definitely not a fan of ANTIFA. It doesn't matter what you link me here, I could link you video proof of ANTIFA members assaulting innocent bystanders, instigating violence, and general terrorist acts. I'm so sorry that your ignorance & your Trump Derangement Syndrome is so aggregious that you fail to acknowledge or understand that both Trump AND ANTIFA are stupid pieces of shit. Get bent you wacko.

Everytime ya’ll say “Antifa attacks people too” yet ive never seen proof

Its been literally studied that all attacks throughout the years have been white supremists and the like, not antifa, same goes for these lootings, its been caught on camera it’s mainly police

Antifa has absolutely attacked people. They don't have a body count in the US, but punching and hitting people, kicking people, yeah that's all stuff they have done.

"all attacks throughout the years" needs clarification. if you mean deaths, that's true, if you mean violence as in street fights, property damage, absolutely not as Antifa types have definitely instigated that kind of violence.

same goes for these lootings, its been caught on camera it’s mainly police

This is demonstrably untrue.

Antifa as a movent has existed since the 1920s and only engages in acts of violence with the interest of self defense and protectors others from the violence of right wingers. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news.....-many-faculty/

"In February, 150 antifa members smashed windows and set fires on campus at the University of California in Berkeley in protest of a speech by right-wing media personality Milo Yiannopoulos. Earlier in the summer, antifa members violently clashed with demonstrators attending a pro-Trump “free speech” rally in Portland.

And in Charlottesville, they fought with white supremacists and neo-Nazis, and formed human barriers to protect counterprotesters. As Slate reported, some clergy members at the rally said antifa members saved their lives from men waving swastika flags and giving Nazi salutes."

As for the George Floyd protests, there is no evidence linking them to the riots or looters. https://time.com/5849592/antifa-far.....mp-protesters/

"Of those charged with such offenses as curfew violations, rioting and failure to obey law enforcement, only a handful appeared to have any affiliation with organized groups.

Those charged with more serious offenses related to looting and property destruction – such as arson, burglary and theft – often had past criminal records. But they, too, were overwhelmingly local residents taking advantage of the chaos.

Social media posts indicate only a few of those arrested are left-leaning activists, including a self-described anarchist. But others had indications of being on the political right, including some Trump supporters.

The president has tried to portray the protesters and looters with a broad brush as “radical-left, bad people,” ominously invoking the name “antifa,” an umbrella term for leftist militants bound more by belief than organizational structure. Trump tweeted last Sunday that he planned to designate antifa as a terrorist organization."

Antifa was not just a defensive group, they very much attacked people first, including people who were not actively attacking them.

Just because the people they are attacking are bad does not absolve them of it. I mean there are instances like antifa beating up a conservative journalist: https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/4.....n-brain-injury

Or attacking tucker Carlson's house, a Fox News journalist: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news.....st/1927868002/

Or theft wing Bernie sanders voter who was protesting an alt-right group, waving an american flag, only to be beaten up by antifa: https://www.newsweek.com/antifa-vio.....-video-1082072

And there are others, including the infamous bike lock guy.

For the present violence, I agree Antifa is not out in force. There may be some of them but I am not blaming the riots and looting on Antifa. its mostly locals taking advantage of the chaos. I am also skeptical of the claims its all white supremacists and cops doing the looting and rioting though as well, since I see links to bail funds a lot lately from left leaning furs I know, and I strongly doubt they'd be bailing out cops or white supremacists.

I'm doing research into each incident. Starting with Andy Ngo, he's not a journalist but a right wing provocateur infamous for trolling left wingers, including doxxing antifa members. He was 'attacked' by Antifa while attending a Proud Boys rally and many sources claim he covered them in a positive light in exchange for protection. They didn't 'beat him up' either, he got a milkshake tossed in his face (no, it didn't have cement in it, that was debunked) and he was sprayed with silly string. There are reports that he was punched as well, but he didn't seem to sustain any truly serious injuries.

https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur.....antifa-877914/

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli.....ngo-proud-boys

Reports of the 'attack' on Tucker Carlson's home seem to be greatly exaggerated. The protestors spray-painted the anarchy symbol in his driveway, that much is fact. Carlson claims they cracked his door, but MPD reports claim to have not found any damage to the door. https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/16/medi.....oor/index.html

The report on the Sanders voter who was assaulted, Paul Welch, does appear to be accurate. However, I've only been able to find two sources in total, Newsweek and a local news intitution in Portland, so I'll be taking this one with a grain of salt. I don't condone violence except in the interest of self defense, which is what many Antifa activists claim to use it for. The masked thugs often described as being Antifa could be extremist outliers, or right wingers trying to make Antifa look bad and lend credence to Trump's scapegoating. It's hard to say.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/18/us/u.....eft/index.html

The issue with a lot of the violence is that it happens at rallies/riots. Both sides claim the other threw the first punch, or throw things, or shoved them, etc. Having watched videos, I can see some where the Antifa people instigate, and some where the other side (be they trump supporters, alt-right/white nationalist or whatever) instigate it.

Most instances of clear cut aggression are individuals, when its not a group of people marching in black bloc.

Andy Neo, I didn't look too much into. Tucker Carlson, it was more of an intimidation thing , though one guy did try to break his door down, he didn't actually manage to do it, and the other is possibly mistaken identity. The only other cases where an Antifa person has been known to have committed violence has been:

Tacoma ICE attack:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news.....gration-centre

Berkeley bike-lock guy:
https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur.....-ranks-630213/

The others are speculative, like Richard Spencer being punched in the face during an interview (the one punching him was in black bloc attire, but its unsure if he was antifa or not). but most of that was the last few years.

There is no evidence of mass antifa involvement in the present looting and rioting. There might be some, but its vastly overshadowed by locals taking advantage of things.

Back in WW2, those who fought against Nazis were antifa, since it stands for ANTI-FAscist. If you are against antifa, you are FOR fascism and Nazis. If you don't like it, too fucking bad, reality only cares about facts, not about your nonsense or insanity.

There is anti-fascist as in being against fascism, and Antifa, as in the left wing extremist group that views capitalism as fascism and believes being communist is the only way to be anti-fascist.

That would be news to most of those WW2 soldiers fighting the nazis that also hated communism.

You can be against fascism without being a communist.

Ridiculous.

If only people could understand that “people within an organization are shit” and “an organization is shit” are phrases with very distinct meanings.

Alas, most people are ignorant of the massive importance such distinction holds. Supporting a cuase does not mean supporting shit people if one knows the difference.

The commenter above me does not know the difference.

Ignorance is bliss.

Huh, I thought conservatives were all about free speech?

"I'll use muh second 'mendment rahts to defend your rahts to have your opinyuns, unless ah disuhgree with yer opinyuns then git tha hell outta mah sight 'fore ah shoot yew fer tresspassin'! Libard cuck!"

Marvelous impression!

America gives me the biggest headache. 🤕

Be thankful you don't live here mate. The headache turns into a migrane then.

You are more then welcome to leave if you hate freedom. Bet you don't want to move to countries with heavy socialism like Venezuela or communist countries like China, but you will riot and loot to change a Constitutional Republic into a communist shit hole because your alt leftist fascists from antifa told you so. Seriously, you are more then welcome to leave if the most free country in the world gives you a migraine. Hell, I'll buy you a ticket to any socialist or communist hell hole since the land of the free gives you a migraine.

Fuck socialists!
Fuck communists!
Fuck the alt left!
Fuck the far left!
Fuck fascists like antifa!
Fuck pedophiles and those that vote for pedophiles like biden!
Fuck black supremacists!
Fuck black LIES matter!

Oh sweetie, I'd happily move to Norway for the universal healthcare, but travel to literally almost every country in the world from the US has been banned because Dear Leader failed to respond accordingly to COVID-19. Oops! Just as well, if you don't like the fact I have the right to criticize Dear Leader for being a lying, corrupt, racist, unChristian, narcissistic, greedy, psychopathic despot, feel free to move to a country where that kind of thing is illegal. He's good friends with Putin and Kim Jong Un, they'd happily accept you I'm sure. I'd offer to buy you a ticket but Trump is threatening to cut Food Stamps and Social Security (Both of which are socialist concepts), and the pandemic is hurting us financially. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

By the way, Antifa stands for anti-fascist and is a movement, not an organization. You calling them fascists is extremely unsubtle projection. Accusing Biden of pedophilia is also a hilarious lack of self-awareness, given Trump has been on record saying he'd date Ivanka if she wasn't his own daughter (which he said when she was 13). Excellent double standard. Thanks for outing yourself as a racist too, by the way!

Couldn't ask for a better snapshot of everything wrong with the right. (And the entire GOP.)

#BidenHarris2020

Alright, let's talk about Antifa.I've been against Antifa long before this present violence started, and it had nothing to do with Trump. I don't think many in the fandom understand how extreme Antifa actually is.
Antifa was started by the Communist Party of Germany:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(Germany)

The first organization known as Antifa, Antifaschistische Aktion, was established by the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) based on the principle of a Communist front.

The KPD did not view "fascism" as a specific political movement, but primarily as the final stage of capitalism, and "anti-fascism" was therefore synonymous with anti-capitalism.

The Antifa movement in Germany is composed of multiple far-left, autonomous, militant groups and individuals who describe themselves as anti-fascist. According to the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution and the Federal Agency for Civic Education the use of the epithet fascist against opponents and the understanding of capitalism as a form of fascism are central to the movement.

The field of 'anti-fascism' has for years been a central element of the political activity of far-left extremists, especially violent ones. [...] Far-left extremists within this tradition only superficially claim to fight far-right activities. In reality the focus is the struggle against the liberal democratic basic order, which is smeared as a 'capitalist system' with 'fascist' roots. — Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution

In Germany the same organization that keeps tabs on Neo-nazis and far right groups also keeps tabs on Antifa and affiliated far-left groups. Both are considered to be threats to the government of Germany.

Antifa in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)

Individuals involved in the movement tend to hold anti-authoritarian, anti-capitalist and anti-government views, subscribing to a range of left-wing ideologies such as anarchism, communism, Marxism, social democracy and socialism. Both the name antifa and the logo with two flags representing anarchism and communism are derived from the German Antifa movement.

A majority of adherents are anarchists, communists and other socialists who describe themselves as revolutionaries, although some social democrats and other leftists adhere to the antifa movement.

The movement is pan-leftist and non-hierarchical, being united by opposition to right-wing extremism and white supremacy as well as opposition to a centralized state. Antifa activists reject anti-fascist conservatives as well as liberals. The movement eschews mainstream liberal democracy and electoral politics in favor of direct action.

So lets summarize that:
If you are in favor of capitalism you can't be Antifa.
If you don't see capitalism as a form of fascism you can't be Antifa.
If you are against socialism, communism or anarchism you can't be Antifa.
If you are a conservative, even if you oppose fascism, you can't be Antifa.
If you are liberal, you can't be Antifa.
If you support a centralized state (a government) you can't be Antifa.
If you are pro-government, you can't be Antifa.

Most Americans would actively oppose Antifa's ideology. The fact that they reject liberals and anti-fascist conservatives should clue you in that it's not JUST anti-fascism.

I oppose fascism, it's a hateful, violent, murderous totalitarian ideology that murdered millions and wanted to murder millions more. I don't want that in my country. So would I be anti-fascist? Not according to Antifa, because I oppose communism and socialism (which are also violent murderous totalitarian ideologies) and I am pro-capitalism (even if I do think we need reforms to curb its excesses),and tend to favor talking over punching people I disagree with.

So if you are anti-fascist in the sense that you are opposed to fascism, great! That is the only moral opinion to have. Opposition to white supremacists and the alt-right is also great and morally just. But one can be opposed to these things and not have to go all the way over to the other extreme of politics.

God forbid you present facts to Jon here who proclaims he is a Christian. Why did you hide my comment Jon? Suppressing my free speech so no one sees how ridiculous you are Jon? You gunna respond to Codark here or is that a bunch of "right wing propaganda"?

I haven't seen any comments hidden yet, unless its somewhere else.

darkwraith

1. You blocked me after giving me shit for my point of view. (Funny how you accuse me of surpressing free speech when you've literally made it impossible for me to reply to you.) In fact I didn't hide any of your comments, unlike right wing chud Gothic Skunk who hid my comment to prevent the spread of 'misinformation,' something right wingers love to do given how Trump and Fox News are about as credible as a book of popup fables written by a twelve year old. You'll note several people have replied to your first comment in disagreement. The only other two comments here give nothing of value to the discussion.

2. I replied to CodArk's reply to me above. With sources, you're free to read that if you want but you've already stated that it doesn't matter what I link here that your point of view wouldn't change on the subject. Which just happens to be a very conservative and evangelical mindset.

In reasearching Antifa's history of violence everything I've seen has either been exaggerated to make it seems worse than it actually was, a straight up lie or there were too few accounts to form a solid judgement from. Trump is blaming the riots ad looting on Antifa when there is no evidence to suggest they're involved.

Antifa also still hasn't murdered anyone, but if I sat here listing off all the right wing white men responsible for mass shootings like the Vegas massacre we'd be here for two decades. So far the most prominent stories of Antifa violence I've looked into involved tossing a milkshake in Andy Ngo's face and spraying him with silly string, spraying the Anarchy symbol in Tucker Carlson's driveway and beating up a Bernie voter for carrying an American flag. Though that last instance only has two sources and whether or not the Antifa movement was actualy responsible is questionable. Not that I would, but I could just as easily just on a mask and a MAGA hat and run out to start attacking people to make MAGA look bad. (Not that they need any help with that.)

Meanwhile growing up gay in a red state I was physically assaulted multiple times in school, bruised and beaten all the while homphobic conservative teens called me an abomination and told me to burn in Hell. So yeah, you're goddamn right I'm anti-fascist, anti homophobe, anti transphobe, anti TERF and anti every other fucking bigoted piece of shit that exists. When Antifa starts murdering LGBT and colored people, then I'll label them as domestic terrorists.

The FBI has warned that white supremacists and right wingers are likely to be taking advantage of the chaos, and they also put out a warning after learning that white supremacist groups are purposefully spreading COVID19. https://abcnews.go.com/US/white-sup.....ry?id=69737522

A race war has broken out, and I'd rather be rooting for the fascists' scapegoat boogeymen.

I dunno what the "hidden comments " thing is either, since I see his comments just fine.

I think he means the post where I lay out Antifa's origins and ideology. Being against fascism is good, but Antifa uses the name "anti-fascist" while having a different meaning of the term than the average person, specifically anti-fascism is viewed as anti capitalism and opposition to centralized government which is not what I think most people intend to convey. Most people I see calling themselves Antifa are meaning so in the " I am just against fascism" sense, not the anarcho-communist sense. I agree with the "against fascism" people, but don't like the anarcho-communist ones.

Anyone who even remotely cares about America, about its borders being under reasonable moderation, about less government overreach, is labeled a "racist white supremacist nationalist blah blah blah."

I will not sit here and let you tell me what ANTIFA has or has not done. Their own website proclaims they want America to be completely restructured and burned to the ground. They stated if Bernie didn't get elected this year, that they would violently riot. Trump should label them a terrorist group but he should gtfo Twitter because its embarrassing. I am a libertarian, but you my friend, are stuck in a perpetual propaganda loop. Also, I didn't vote for him so don't demonize me.

If you were in fact Christian, you would pray for God to touch the hearts of these violent extremists & give Trump the ability to deal with this unprecedented tragic situation with grace & dignity.

I love how anyone who has been assaulted by ANTIFA who wasn't "significantly hurt" is discarded. Shame on you if you are LGBT. What about the guy at the college campus? The old man struck in the face in his car by ANTIFA in Washington state?

Sorry, I'd rather condemn all violence, regardless if one side "believes they are morally correct".

Most non-racists don't want to waste taxpayer money on an ineffective border fence that can be cut through with a saw or scaled with a ladder. Trump wants to erect a wall as a monument to his racism, ignoring the fact that most illegals are here on an expired visa.

Antifa is a movement, not an organization. Because there is no unifying body for antifa, it is impossible to know how many “members” are currently active. Different localities have antifa populations of different strengths, but antifa are also sometimes willing to travel hundreds of miles to oppose a white supremacist event. They don't have a website, or a headquarters or even a leader. They're just protestors (with a few anarchists and extremists sprinkled in) unified in their hatred of fascism. Y'know who I'd rather be declared terriorist organizations? The KKK, the Proud Boys and the Boogaloos. Unlike antifa, they all have body counts, in addition to being racist, sexist, misogynist and homobphic. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new.....ntifa-n1070166

The Proud Boys, who self-identify as “western chauvinists,” have been designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Former Proud Boys member Jason Kessler helped organize the 2017 white nationalist “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where a rallygoer slammed his car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing anti-racist activist Heather Heyer.

I have prayed for Trump. Speaker Pelosi has gone on record saying she prays for him frequently. But any Christian knows prayer is useless without action to back it up. Trump's an evil man corrupted my greed and lust, a sex fiend who has been quoted as wanting to sleep with his own daughter when she was only 13. As a matter of fact I agree with others that he fits the profile of the Antichrist. He embodies all 7 cardinal sins, speaks as a Christian to corrupt other Christians to his way of thinking. As long as he's in power, he is a danger to every citizen of this country, as evidenced by the 110k dead from his mishandling of the COVID crisis.

You'll have to be more specific with your examples, or provide sources. I ran a search for antifa violence in Washington, but the first thing I saw was an article about a multiracial family out camping who was harassed by locals after they were mistaken for antifa protestors. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie.....als-accused-of

Even if antifa does regularly engage in violence, this is very easily a 'lesser of two evils' situation for me. The alt-right engages in violence against innocent people because of their skin color or sexual orientation. Antifa counter-protestors used their own bodies to try and shield people from violent neo-nazis in Charlottesville and many claim that their presence there saved lives. https://slate.com/news-and-politics.....ttesville.html

Sorry, I don't find appeals to emotion or guilt by association to be credible arguments. The evidence is consistent, neo-nazis demonize and kill innocent people and antifa opposes those neo-nazis. Nazis are muderers and fascists, they want to kill me and my friends for hanging out with me just because I'm gay. They want to burn people of color at the stake and/or hang them. I am intolerant of their intolerance, and I sincerely believe that is justified in the name of peace and justice.

If you truly are Libertarian, surely you must be aware of Karl Poppers' Paradox of Tolerance?
https://www.libertarianism.org/colu.....adox-tolerance

ANTIFA is FAR FAR more organized than a handful of middle aged Proud Boys who have no leader, or centralized meeting place. So now the SPLC is the deciding authority of who is and is not a terrorist group? Not the FBI/Homeland Security? ANTIFA have state to state chapters with actual organized meeting places, train to fight, and frequently support violence regardless of who they are. They have attacked Prayer Groups, Anti-Abortion groups, Peaceful Conservative movements. They will proclaim these events are for "White Supremacists" in order to justify silencing & committing violence against them. They shut down Conservative College campus speakers, notably Ben Shapiro, a orthodox Jew. How ironic the "anti-fascists" wish to silence a Jewish man. Why? Because of political differences. My mind is a steel trap, most of their terrorist behavior began in 2015-2016. Perhaps you weren't engaged in politics as I have been.

lol big oof dude.

Honest and hard working people are DONE with the propaganda and violence that is the hallmark of socialists/antifa/marxists. BLM is engaging in the same violent behavior and they too, are a collective of self-described "trained Marxists" with whom Antifa is purposefully aligning themselves.
https://youtu.be/rdpIIiBe7Wc?t=75
https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-c.....ained-marxist/

Honestly, I don't care what socialists want to label themselves. I can see them all for who they are. They are horrible people who exist to be miserable and they do their best to drag others down with them. They have no place in America. If you count yourself among their number, you are unhappy with the reality that America was built upon a free market foundation, and you wish to undermine what remains of our liberty, then move to a different country where you can be a happy. Antifa members are terrorists. Plain and simple. https://banned.video/watch?id=5f246.....370e02f2a7f64e

America was built on genocide

Every country was built on genocide. The only difference is socialists and communists know how to commit genocide the best.

Funny, never heard of the Norwegians trying to commit genocide. Isn't it funny though how all the genocidal communist dictators in recent memory have all been straight white men? (Typically with conservative views and opinions.)

Just wanted to post to say thank you for speaking truth to power, and showing solidarity where it counts.

Even if I'm *super* out of date in doing so. X_X

'Preciate ya!

Lowkey was actually a bit nervous it was gonna be another right-wing chud dropping by to tell me how I'm wrong to defend propagandists and bootlickers.

Ooof. Sorry, didn't mean to trigger any anxiety.

No worries, not like you triggered a full-blown panic attack or anything. I just get nervous checking new comments on political stuff since 50/50 it's either gonna be fellow liberals cheering me on, or Trumpers spewing hate and propaganda.

I understand exactly how that feels.