Wow, I mean wow. Hmm weird it seems as much as our "advanced" society tries to make things better for us in reality it's kind of doing the opposite. To a degree I'm surprised and yet not so much.

I don't know if I believe that. A group of people all with perfect teeth? You don't find that anywhere in the world, even in places like America, and India which is currently the world leader on dentistry. I'll tell you why I don't believe this...we all know someone who has lost a tooth, not from decay, or from poor eating, but because they were hit the wrong way, or ran into something accidentally. There are BOUND to be missing teeth somewhere in that population, probably more than was reported. Secondly, I was born with a tooth that is pushed back from the others (not hardly noticable). Everyone in my family has had this trait. It's written in our DNA. How is it that a People can all genetically have it written in their DNA to have perfect teeth? I smell something fishy about this study.

It was from an isolated village... Isolated, which would mean having pretty uniform genetics throughout, and thus the dentistry is likely to be basically uniform, as well as a small population. That's not a good sample for a study supposedly representing society at large.

On other words... Yeah, it's flawed.

Only what's depicted in this short teaser. He actually went all over the world and studied hundreds of separate populations comprising thousands of people. It's pretty thorough. His conclusions might be a bit off but there's no contradicting evidence to say that that's the case.

Are you really going to make a complete judgement call based on nothing more than a 3 minute video?

It's not complete... It's a reactionary judgement based on information presented, in the same way you might look at a movie trailer and say 'That looks terrible.'

I suppose your right though, I should work logically when it comes to studies and not rely on reactionism.

...But on the other hand, I'm really apathetic to this particular information. It just doesn't interest me the way say... A comprehensive history of animation, how Norse settlers effected the development of North America, or the evolution of the dolphin, would.

At least you're honest about it. :)

I'd dare say, though, that out of all the topics you listed, the one you're least interested in has the most impact on your life. The old saying "If you don't have your health, you don't have anything" is so true.

I became interested in nutrition when my grandparents started passing away. Of the 4 I had, only 1 is left, and she's not well. I said to myself "Well, this is the genetic hand I've been dealt. The only way to increase my odds of a healthy life when I get older is to start now." I tried several diet ideas before I found Weston Price. It's the only diet that just made sense to me. Everything about it seems so logical. Eat food as close to the way nature provides it.

i really didnt need a goddamn link like that. my life is shit enough as it is. my teeth are very crooked. thanks for a horrible link on a horrible day. -watch

Little butthurt, boss?

not from that. just very depressed today. and gotten plenty of bad news in a short amount of time.

We've all got days like that. Try not to take that negative energy and use it to lash out at others, it just makes things worse and more complicated in the end.

im sorry. but yea lets just say my crooked teeth keep me from ever getting anywhere with anyone. and well things cant get much worse. literally.

You could be on fire, that'd make things worse. As for the teeth, honestly, I think you're using them as an excuse to be antisocial. Granted, I know next to nothing about you, so this is just culled off of observations of similar cases.

Also, this isn't the most appropriate venue to talk of this, so if you'd care to continue, contact me otherwise please.

i know. but im sorry about flaming here okay. im shutting up now. *zips*

I have pretty bad teeth too. I know for a fact it was because both of my parents had oral diseases... My mother has bad teeth, and my dad has bad gums.

So I get a receding gum line, crooked teeth, and cavities, despite spending the first 20 years of my life brushing and flossing daily. :/

I see this reasoning a lot. If you read the book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, you'll see it's not nearly as genetic as you might think. One of the comparisons is even a set of sisters. One sister stayed at home where she got quality food. The other went to "the big city" and ate a lot of nutritionally devoid food. The difference in their teeth was amazing.

As for being depressed, I'm not sure why this video would depress anyone. I would think it'd give you hope. There's hope for overcoming your illnesses... WITHOUT doctors.

As I said down below, I've been following WAPF advice for nearly 10 years. I've found that I'm generally happier. I don't fly off the handle like I used to. Bad news is easier to deal with.

I also participate in message boards that discuss nutrition based on WAPF advice, and have talked to dozens of people who have gotten rid of depression completely through diet. Once you fully understand the links between diet and depression, it gives you power over it. Then once you start making the dietary changes, it gets rid of it.

Very empowering.

Yeah, I'm calling BS on this study too. Unless this village is a physical case study on eugenics, there's something very wrong going on or the study is a crock.

Look into the research more thoroughly. There's a lot more than can be shown in a 2 minute teaser and it doesn't cover 1 village but thousands of people all over the world.

Yeah, anyone that claims EVERYONE is supposed to have perfect teeth has something wrong with them.

why?

Just because something is common doesn't mean it's normal. Heck acne didn't exist in japan until the 1970's but we're supposed to accept that it's a normal part of growing up :P

My but there sure are a lot of people here who are quick to judge. I would have thought a crowd on a furry based site would be more open to new ideas.

I'm seeing a lot of glib statements. Don't give up mifmaf. The truth is a powerful thing.

I don't think the issue is sugar so much as our consumption of acidic sweetened drinks like cola. Acid dissolves and washes minerals out of our bodies.

I am calling BS on this myself ....The research is prolly valid, but I dont support the perfectionist ideals that can be taken away and distilled from this type of talk.

What next...a "study" saying all males should be a size 20 waist?
A "report" suggesting blue eyed blonds are Better then others ?
A "paper" telling us that whites are genetically better then blacks ?

Just examples of where the obsessions with Perfection have brought about Oppression and Harm

The premise behind this is that we're all genetically programmed to grow up to an ideal shape and health provided we have the materials to do so. If our diets are lacking our bodies try to accommodate that, and as a result we do not achieve what our bodies naturally want to grow into.

I understand that . But the bias in this study is saying that people that have such "deformities " are lesser people , less perfect. Besides that there is a great many things that can effect a persons health beyond genetic programming ...such as radiation, abuse, stress, UHV and UHF, class status , access to care.

My point is , this study seems to promote the idea that people that lack the Genetically pre programmed facial structure and teeth are of lesser value , and maybe even harmful to the gene pool.

Your point however isn't relevant to this research since it's actually saying the opposite. We all have this genetic programming and our "deformities" are signs of poor nutrition. This isn't a eugenic movement it's about maintaining access to healthy food.

You really should look into this more if you're getting such a distorted view of what it's about. Maybe my video selection was poor.

Yes I think the video you decided to put up was a poor choice to represent the viewpoint you are trying to get across. And furthermore access to Healthy food is a limitation for many people in this country ...when its cheaper to eat at a taco bell or wendys then it is to buy vegatables and organic foods that the companies that are SO nice to bring us at jacked up rates ....what would you suggest to the person with 3 bucks in his pocket and hunger pains ?

Oh as for the milk is better statement....ever hear of lactose intolerance?

Yes i agree that overly processed food is bad for us as a people , but on the other hand I eat it cause due to things I am trying to change...its all i can afford. And You have to remember that most kids are going to tell Mommy and Daddy what they will and will not eat.

There are people who are truly lactose intolerant, but it's far less common than most people think. The problem is that most people who can't eat dairy just assume they're lactose intolerant and never get tested. For most who think they're lactose intolerant, slowly introducing raw dairy back in to their diet proves no problem.

The problem is actually with pasteurized dairy, which is structurally different than raw dairy. Protein structure changes when heated in the presence of sugar molecules. Nutrient makeup changes. Enzymes are lost. Beneficial bacteria are killed.

Then there's homogenization. The process breaks open fat globules and cholesterol, which exposes the molecules to the air, setting up rapid oxidation, thought to be a cause of atherosclerosis from free radical damage.

Let's also not forget that raw milk from properly feds animals (meaning green grass for cows, NOT grains) is safer for consumption. The Organic Pastures dairy in California regularly tests their milk for vitality. What they find is that not only is it containment free. but when pathogens are purposefully introduced into the milk, the milk kills the pathogens. Listeria, e-coli 0157 and other pathogens are regular subjected to their milk, and the milk regularly kills the pathogen within 24 hours. The same can not be said for pasteurized milk or even raw milk from improperly fed cows.

I would enjoy discussing the topic more if you'd like to.

Very Valid points , But raw foods such as organic unpasteurized milk is A: Hard to find B: Expensive . Cost is the big issue for me , and sorry for coming off as overly defensive , but I do have several issues that I have ti deal with a daily basis , and when people start saying "You should Do this and You need to Do that" I cant help but to feel blamed for what I deal with...when in fact I grew up poor and didnt have a choice in what i was fed .

We're in the same boat. Growing up, I ate a lot of hamburger helper because that's what we could afford. I know exactly what you mean. I'm not sure about you, but I have a mouth full of crooked teeth because my parents couldn't afford braces.

I'm trying to do what I can now, though. Yes, raw milk is hard to find; harder in some states than others, but Congressman Ron Paul is trying to change that. He believes if people want raw milk, it's not the government's place to say they can't have it. The cost of raw milk in my area is about the same as buying organic pasteurized milk from the store. in some places in the country (like Cali) it's up to $12 a gallon. I understand that's cost prohibitive.

What most don't consider, though, is that much of the savings on food is simply an expense shift from food to health care. Sure they're saving money on food, but they're spending more at the doctor's office. Since I've been following WAPF, I've been to the doctor twice... once from severe food poisoning after eating out. Eating a healthy diet is like the best health insurance money can buy. Not only do you not get sick, but a lot of those other pesky things like depression go away, too.

It's a complete life-style change. No one understands how hard that is more than me... but it's a change I've never regretted.

I cant afford this healthy food OR health care so .....I just had to have my medical bills in excess of 5k be payed by the hospital as a write off so.....

I'm imagining this taken to silly extremes, with surgeons using milk in the operating room, cheese curing cancer, and grandma eating yogurt to help with her glaucoma.

Really though, I didn't know about this, and that's cool.

If only your extreme could ever become a reality. The sad truth is, medicine has gone in the complete opposite direction. 100 years ago, a 1 month raw milk diet successfully cure dozens of diseases. Check out this article:
http://www.realmilk.com/milkcure.html

With a little digging, you soon begin to realize that modern medical science is as corrupt as any government entity you can imagine. Here in the USA, medicine has successfully made it a crime to claim that a food can prevent or cure a disease. Doctors can have their licenses revoked. Businesses can be fined and/or shut down. Since healthy food is the #1 competition to medicine and surgery, the medical establishment knew they had to get rid of it. Studies saying saturated fat is disease causing are all flawed beyond belief. Studies touting the benefits of many popular drugs (like Lipitor) are also skewed to represent the drugs as being far more beneficial than they really are.

Jeez, I really need to get off my soap box. Sorry for the rant. :)

I agree with mifmaf. I don't think you took away from the video the intended message. The message is that proper nutrition can reduce or eliminate problems that most of the modern population have accepted as genetic. Perhaps you should watch it again, or seek out more information.

https://www.westonaprice.org

Good luck in your search.

I've been following the Weston Price Foundation's dietary advice for nearly a decade. It's great to see the information being passed around like this.

I don't think the idea is that we're all supposed to be exactly the same, but rather we've come to think of things as normal that just are NOT normal. Crooked teeth, for example. If you read Dr. Weston Price's book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, you'll see tooth comparisons of groups of people who eat a traditional, nutrient dense diet and those who eat a more modern diet. The difference in the straightness of the teeth and lack of tooth decay in the traditional diet group is remarkable.

You'll also notice in the traditional food group a lack of modern disease such as cancer, heart disease, (despite eating HUGE quantities of saturated fat.... well, actually it's BECAUSE of said fat) arthritis, stroke and many others.

I've seen great changes in my own health and the health of those around me by following the WAPF recommendations. The great thing is, once you study it, nutrition just makes sense. No more memorizing what you can and can't eat. What's good for you and what's not. You instinctively just KNOW what to eat.

Sure it takes a bit more prep time in the kitchen, but once you make the adjustment, it's really not bad at all. I make my own flour, render my own lard, (from free range pork) and make most of our meals from scratch. When the food hits your tongue, it's all worth it. Everything we eat is full of REAL flavor, not processed, sugar coated, nutrient devoid junk taste.

Keep spreading the word.

Thanks for chiming in. I feel like this message is being lost on people and I'm glad someone who actually follows the dietary principles mentioned has come forward.

is all in how we eat :P

now excuse I think I chipped one of my teeth

While what we eat is a major portion of the issue, it is not the sum of the scope. There are genetic differences and defects. There is the theory of perfect teeth but not that many have them. And to worry about what is perfect has led to wars, ill-conceived models, improper advertising etc.

But you shouldn't let those things get in the way of trying to achieve a proper diet. Your post sounds as though you're saying "Perfection can't be achieved, so why try?" If no one ever tried to achieve perfection at anything, I believe the world would be a miserable place. I LOVE trying to achieve perfection in the music I play. I'll never achieve it, but it's a whole lot of fun trying.

Also, not many people have perfect teeth because not many people eat a perfect diet. If you read the book in topic, I think you'd find yourself believing that there'd be a lot fewer dental problems in the world if we didn't have refined, nutrient devoid food to deal with. That doesn't even begin to touch on the countless degenerative diseases that go along with those foods.

No where in post did i discount that either. I said it was a major player.

And there is no "perfection" there is ideal and healthy. If you want to try for the look of some stupid mag, then have a miserable time doing so. I won't. I'll try and work on a healthy weight (and i'm 6'1" 170lbs)

I think too many people put too much emphasis on weight. Not saying that you are doing so, I just want to express this thought. When I started eating the diet I eat now, I actually GAINED weight... and that's exactly what my body needed to do. I was 26 years old, 5' 10" and 135 lbs. I had been trying for years to gain weight with high complex carb diets and weight gain formulas for post workouts. I could eat 4000 calories a day and not gain a pound. Within 6 months of eating according to WAPF advice, I was up to 150 lbs, evenly distributed throughout my body. These days I hover are 155. Still a bit skinny for my frame, but I wouldn't want to be much bigger.

The idea is that if we eat what we're meant to eat, our bodies will find their naturally ideal weight all by themselves, whether that's by gaining or losing weight.

Aye, you were under weight and theoretically i'm just a bit under for my height. I use to be 145-150. After my surgery, i gained some of the 170. But their is some flab around the midsection that i don't care for.

What the hell, why are so many people claiming this study is bullshit? It should be common knowledge that bad eating habits are most likely to lead to tooth decay than lack of hygiene as we're not even supposed to brush our teeth in nature to begin with! I haven't had cavities since the age of seven and never had any issues with crooked teeth or wisdom teeth, and I brush only once a day. I'm just being careful about what I eat. It seems to work well to me!

Besides, she stated that "less than 1%" of the population of that village had actual tooth issues, that's still considering not everyone has healthy teeth, even though it's a very large proportion.

Don't give up MifMaf, someday people shall see the light! Meanwhile, I'm still glad I found you, it makes me regain some faith in humanity =P

I am not saying the study is BS...its BS that not many people can afford this diet

Anyone can afford this diet, the people profiled are often the poorest, often times they're still hunter/gatherers and subsist on no income at all.

tell me how one can afford it when organic food and "raw" food costs 1.5-2 times the cost of normal foods ?

bulk :P

maybe when i get work

then start eating termites :P

imma wolf not a ant-eater

Not really compelling. I still prefer modern luxuries.

I believe it's possible. A study of neanderthal skulls also showed that tooth decay was quite rare. By comparison, there's evidence that hundreds of years ago, people used to sand their teeth to try to remove discoloration associated with poor oral hygiene, which itself sometimes resulted in severe illness and even death.

Both my mother and father have pretty awful teeth, but mine are quite good, save for my canines being out of alignment.

It's an interesting observation, hard for me to fully get behind but an interesting theory. Unfortunately I also would be willing to believe that there will be people who will exploit this information for their own gain.

It's a tough one to exploit given the fact that they can't sell more than just a book :P

Fair enough although greed is an interesting mother of innovation.

This way of eating is far more difficult to exploit than, say, low fat or low carb. You can't make products like low carb bread or low fat ice cream and it still fit in with the theory. Neither of those things are natural.

The ideal behind the Weston Price Foundation naturally lend themselves to proper capitalism. People learn what they should be eating and give their money to providers of properly grown whole foods. We also give our money to book authors and lecturers, but we don't HAVE to. I liken the culture to that of true computer geeks. Most computer geek would gladly give of their time to help others. They also love to share knowledge. The WAPF crowd is a lot like that.

Okay then, fair point.

Something I forgot to mention... you're absolutely right greed can create some interesting forms of exploitation. For example, the grass fed beef movement has been gaining steam. More and more people are understanding that "corn fed" is actually a bad thing. When the big beef corporations figured that out, rather than trying to change their processes to cater to public demand, they simply tried to change the legal definition of the word "grass" to include the food they were already giving their cattle.

It's the same as what the FDA did when they started mandating labeling of trans fats. The public outcry for the labeling had been growing for over 10 years. Rather than do the right thing, the FDA simply catered to big business and said "OK, as long as your product contains less than .5 grams of trans fats "per serving" you can label it "0 grams trans fats." For the hand full of products that didn't meet that already, the manufacturers just adjusted their serving size. Not many real food changes occurred.