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Jigsaw Drama?:
5 years ago
Quick mention beforehand:
My artist buddy was dragged into this nonsense at the beginning of this year even though they had absolutely nothing to do with it and I only just heard all of this new info about two weeks ago.
They were an artist on FA that I did a trade with at one point but I am not going to mention their name, I know they don’t want any attention brought to them and I know they are not planning on coming back. I would ask that if you know who it was to please not mention their name in the comments out of respect for their privacy, they have since removed all of their art and removed their account from FA.
I do know the Jigsaw drama deals with some serious subject matter that by simply talking about it even in a negative light can get you infractions and suspensions on FA. If you know about what happened or have information please don’t mention anything related to it in the comments and please don’t ask for information about the topic to avoid risk of a suspension. Also there are probably people who DON’T want to know about it or wouldn’t want to know about it, from what I hear is some dark and not OK stuff.Also if you don’t know anything about this I would recommend avoiding it, it’s just not great and not worth it.
Information:
I had an artist buddy on here that was chased off FA for stuff they had no involvement in, the stuff that happened was two years prior to them even being on FA. Someone contacted me two weeks ago asking about the situation but I was not aware of the full scope of the situation, I was only aware that my buddy was chased off the internet by people that didn’t like the particular themes of their art. From what I was told there was a group going after unsavory individuals that were doing not great things within the furry community and this Jigsaw fellow was one of the people they were going after.
From what I was told the reason they went after my buddy was due to the fact that the art they drew and Jigsaw’s content were thematically similar, the difference was one being fantasy and illustration while the other was being done in real life. I was told my buddy’s art never referenced anything Jigsaw made so I am assuming it was just a vigilante witch hunt for anything even remotely related to it… But like my buddy’s account didn’t even exist until two years after what happened tho??? Idk frig I’m just really irritated that it even happened they didn’t deserve to get mobbed and their art was great, friggin anyways.
I’m trying to figure out everything that happened right now and my buddy is just kinda gone from the internet, their art was friggin great and it’s a shame people were crappy about it. Right now I’m looking for any information or content related to Jigsaw, if anyone has any info please send me a note about it so we can chat elsewhere. FA rules will infract even negative discussion about these kinds of topics with suspension and other punishments so please refrain from mentioning anything serious even in note format! I tried asking around and sent a few notes to people a few weeks ago but nothing came up so if you know anything or have any related content please get back to me it would be super helpful! :0
Thank you for your time I know this was a bit of a long journal to read.
I will mention AGAIN!
-Please don’t ask who the artist was they want to be left alone. If you know who it was please don’t mention their account name in the comments.
-Please don’t openly discuss anything about Jigsaw because I know it’s the type of stuff that can get you in trouble with FA.
-Please don’t ask me about this Jigsaw drama, not only do I not know much about it but I’ve already mentioned everything I can say that I know about it and further discussion about it on FA can get both you and I in trouble.
-Again, I’m trying to figure everything out that happened with my buddy so if you have anything related to this Jigsaw individual please send me a note and you can let me know elsewhere outside FA!
UPDATE:
This was a comment that became long and it’s basically an update on what I’ve learned for anyone reading!
I have added this to the bottom of the journal for those reading after the fact.
Correct I am trying to piece together what happened! And yea the journal is kind of a mess, there was a lot to go over my bad if it’s confusing. XI
As for “information and content”, since making this post I have already found a ton of information about Jigsaw and the group that went after them/others as well as exactly why they pointlessly went after my buddy. I got a whole timeline of what happened now which is great but I guess it doesn’t really solve the fact that it happened in the first place lol. I just really wanted answers and was irritated after hearing about what actually happened, I couldn’t find anything helpful and no one I asked/sent notes to seemed to know anything helpful. Like their art was friggin great and the whole situation is garbage and everything surrounding the situation and what went down was garbage.
Actually just venting real quick, anywhoo.
All the information I knew was second hand told to me two weeks ago and it wasn’t very clear, but since then I have been shown the full conversations of the group that went after my buddy and what happened with Jigsaw/all the other deplorable individuals so I more or less got my answers now. As far as I know there were arrests and people were sentenced. However with my buddy it was literally just “I don’t like their art because it’s violent and thematically similar, and even tho it’s all fictional and fantasy based we should still go after them to send a message” kind of deal. They didn’t get in any actual trouble but they harassed and scared them off and I’m super pissed about it. All the chat logs were infuriating to read.
My artist buddy was dragged into this nonsense at the beginning of this year even though they had absolutely nothing to do with it and I only just heard all of this new info about two weeks ago.
They were an artist on FA that I did a trade with at one point but I am not going to mention their name, I know they don’t want any attention brought to them and I know they are not planning on coming back. I would ask that if you know who it was to please not mention their name in the comments out of respect for their privacy, they have since removed all of their art and removed their account from FA.
I do know the Jigsaw drama deals with some serious subject matter that by simply talking about it even in a negative light can get you infractions and suspensions on FA. If you know about what happened or have information please don’t mention anything related to it in the comments and please don’t ask for information about the topic to avoid risk of a suspension. Also there are probably people who DON’T want to know about it or wouldn’t want to know about it, from what I hear is some dark and not OK stuff.Also if you don’t know anything about this I would recommend avoiding it, it’s just not great and not worth it.
Information:
I had an artist buddy on here that was chased off FA for stuff they had no involvement in, the stuff that happened was two years prior to them even being on FA. Someone contacted me two weeks ago asking about the situation but I was not aware of the full scope of the situation, I was only aware that my buddy was chased off the internet by people that didn’t like the particular themes of their art. From what I was told there was a group going after unsavory individuals that were doing not great things within the furry community and this Jigsaw fellow was one of the people they were going after.
From what I was told the reason they went after my buddy was due to the fact that the art they drew and Jigsaw’s content were thematically similar, the difference was one being fantasy and illustration while the other was being done in real life. I was told my buddy’s art never referenced anything Jigsaw made so I am assuming it was just a vigilante witch hunt for anything even remotely related to it… But like my buddy’s account didn’t even exist until two years after what happened tho??? Idk frig I’m just really irritated that it even happened they didn’t deserve to get mobbed and their art was great, friggin anyways.
I’m trying to figure out everything that happened right now and my buddy is just kinda gone from the internet, their art was friggin great and it’s a shame people were crappy about it. Right now I’m looking for any information or content related to Jigsaw, if anyone has any info please send me a note about it so we can chat elsewhere. FA rules will infract even negative discussion about these kinds of topics with suspension and other punishments so please refrain from mentioning anything serious even in note format! I tried asking around and sent a few notes to people a few weeks ago but nothing came up so if you know anything or have any related content please get back to me it would be super helpful! :0
Thank you for your time I know this was a bit of a long journal to read.
I will mention AGAIN!
-Please don’t ask who the artist was they want to be left alone. If you know who it was please don’t mention their account name in the comments.
-Please don’t openly discuss anything about Jigsaw because I know it’s the type of stuff that can get you in trouble with FA.
-Please don’t ask me about this Jigsaw drama, not only do I not know much about it but I’ve already mentioned everything I can say that I know about it and further discussion about it on FA can get both you and I in trouble.
-Again, I’m trying to figure everything out that happened with my buddy so if you have anything related to this Jigsaw individual please send me a note and you can let me know elsewhere outside FA!
UPDATE:
This was a comment that became long and it’s basically an update on what I’ve learned for anyone reading!
I have added this to the bottom of the journal for those reading after the fact.
Correct I am trying to piece together what happened! And yea the journal is kind of a mess, there was a lot to go over my bad if it’s confusing. XI
As for “information and content”, since making this post I have already found a ton of information about Jigsaw and the group that went after them/others as well as exactly why they pointlessly went after my buddy. I got a whole timeline of what happened now which is great but I guess it doesn’t really solve the fact that it happened in the first place lol. I just really wanted answers and was irritated after hearing about what actually happened, I couldn’t find anything helpful and no one I asked/sent notes to seemed to know anything helpful. Like their art was friggin great and the whole situation is garbage and everything surrounding the situation and what went down was garbage.
Actually just venting real quick, anywhoo.
All the information I knew was second hand told to me two weeks ago and it wasn’t very clear, but since then I have been shown the full conversations of the group that went after my buddy and what happened with Jigsaw/all the other deplorable individuals so I more or less got my answers now. As far as I know there were arrests and people were sentenced. However with my buddy it was literally just “I don’t like their art because it’s violent and thematically similar, and even tho it’s all fictional and fantasy based we should still go after them to send a message” kind of deal. They didn’t get in any actual trouble but they harassed and scared them off and I’m super pissed about it. All the chat logs were infuriating to read.
In general it's not responsible to be throwing around random names of individuals since it's a serious topic that can cause problems for people.
I simply asked for information and assistance and you have off loaded your personal gripes and problems, you went out of your way to leave a snarky comment and have been less than helpful.
-The first sentence was to make my issues seem insignificant.
-The second one dismisses my search for answers about my buddy as "some furry drama" that no one cares about. I do and it involves someone I know.
-The third sentence is spiteful and dismissive, you come off as upset that no one cared about your problems and gripes and are now offloading it on to me. Quote "I had some drama myself back in February but guess what now no one cares and people move on."
-Last sentence is textbook "Get over it" when paired with the rest of what you wrote.
I shouldn't have responded and just removed the comment to begin with but I was in a mood. I made myself look like a dingus but it would be childish to remove these comments. I am going to leave this conversation here since I've already broken down why your initial comment sounded antagonistic. If it wasn't meant to be then you need to be more careful with how you word things online and make sure it doesn't come off in a negative connotation.
I apologize I really shouldn't have responded in the first place it was very unprofessional and childish.
I'm not sure what your overall goal is because this whole post isn't particularly structured, but from what I understand, you're trying to figure out what went down that lead to your buddy disappearing from the internet. Then why are you looking for content from that other person who you already explained has nothing to do with your buddy?
This comment became long and it’s basically an update on what I’ve learned for anyone reading!
I will add this to the bottom of the Journal.
Correct I am trying to piece together what happened! And yea the journal is kind of a mess, there was a lot to go over my bad if it’s confusing. XI
As for “information and content”, since making this post I have already found a ton of information about Jigsaw and the group that went after them/others as well as exactly why they pointlessly went after my buddy. I got a whole timeline of what happened now which is great but I guess it doesn’t really solve the fact that it happened in the first place lol. I just really wanted answers and was irritated after hearing about what actually happened, I couldn’t find anything helpful and no one I asked/sent notes to seemed to know anything helpful. Like their art was friggin great and the whole situation is garbage and everything surrounding the situation and what went down was garbage.
Actually just venting real quick, anywhoo.
All the information I knew was second hand told to me two weeks ago and it wasn’t very clear, but since then I have been shown the full conversations of the group that went after my buddy and what happened with Jigsaw/all the other deplorable individuals so I more or less got my answers now. As far as I know there were arrests and people were sentenced. However with my buddy it was literally just “I don’t like their art because it’s violent and thematically similar, and even tho it’s all fictional and fantasy based we should still go after them to send a message” kind of deal. They didn’t get in any actual trouble but they harassed and scared them off and I’m super pissed about it. All the chat logs were infuriating to read.
Also side note that I need to clear up, I said I was looking for information and content RELATED to Jigsaw. “Why are you looking for content from that other person” is what you said. I was looking for receipts and discussions about the situation and where to find them and I did, my whole dialogue in that journal made it pretty clear. You also said “you already explained has nothing to do with your buddy”, it does since this is a problem that affected them regardless of whether or not they were involved with the situation directly. I just wanted to check if you were intentionally making accusatory statements or if you were just asking a general question?
The journal was indeed hard to parse, mostly in terms of what its point was. When I first saw it, I skimmed it and missed that one sentence I later quoted in my initial comment, the sentence asking people to get in touch with what they know/have. It's the second sentence in the fourth paragraph of the whole thing, don't blame me. XD So I initially thought it was one of those "I don't want to be involved in this drama, but for some reason I'm writing a whole journal entry about said drama with vague hints as to what's going on, which only serves to make more people aware of the drama and get them speculating" kind of posts. But then I re-read it properly and caught the "looking for information/content" part.
As for the intent of my question, it was basically between the two options you lay out. The reason why it was very unclear to me how the "content" part fit in was that I didn't understand the distinction between "information" and "content" when both are apparently meant to refer to informational content related to that person / those people. Reading the journal the third time now, I think the distinction is between first-hand knowledge and third-party sources...? I'm honestly a bit taken aback by how you say something is "pretty clear" while, directly before that, referring to "my whole dialogue in that journal", which leaves me baffled as to what you mean by "dialogue" in a post written exclusively by you in the first person. Do you mean the comments? Basically, I don't know you, and I think you're communicating significantly less clearly to people who have never read anything by you than you think you do.
Regardless it was a messy journal I made and didn't really prepare and I should have made it more cohesive, that one was my fault.
I'm just glad I got the information on my buddy that I was looking for even if it was garbage news.