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~( ´(00)`) ✨ No longer drawing Macro content
4 years ago
I'm not sure where to start off this journal, but I guess I can start by saying that I have been thinking lots about honing in what content I do. Ideally I want to focus on what resonates with me best, what I am most confident and comfortable with drawing, and what I actually enjoy drawing the most. Most artists end up doing this further along their journey as they can afford to not draw anything and everything to pay bills and I finally am feeling like I can be at that point too.
As you all know I'm okay with drawing most content that's popular in the fandom and have drawn pretty much everything, but of course not everything I draw is something I particularly love drawing. So, I plan on phasing out subject matters that I don't vibe with.
First thing I'm adding to the "Will Not Draw" list is macro content.
I will consider doing it for people I know personally and know have a decent reputation, but I'm going to be honest. In all my years of doing furry commissions, 9/10 people who have given me trouble or been proven to be very problematic in general have been into macrophilia. And honestly it just really bothers me, so ontop of it being very tedious and time consuming to draw, and not a personal interest of mine, I am making the choice to avoid it entirely from this point forward. I don't want to lump everyone together who is into macrophilia of course, but recently learning ugly truths about some people I have worked for in the past and in recent times has for sure put a bad taste in my mouth.
It's a fine line keeping true to my own moral beliefs and caring about what my commissioners' political views are for sure... And I can't always really know where everyone stands on every social issue. But working for people who are blatantly and publicly known for being and believing in things that I find to be offensive and harmful is something I am definitely not doing, have never done knowingly and never will do. It feels like endorsement working for said people, and many people take it that way too.
It is 100% peoples' personal business what their stance is on political and social issues, and yes, it has very little to actually do with getting furry art. But I have every right to ban people who I feel are perpetuating harmful beliefs from commissioning me too, as free as you all are to have your beliefs, I am free to conduct business under my own beliefs and what makes me feel most comfortable as well. If you're a scumbag or otherwise harmful; if you're a predator, white supremacist, racist, transphobic, pedophilic, non-fantasy zoophilic, you can find another artist who's okay with that, because I am not and don't appreciate being deceived by people who are secretly in any of these categories.
This stuff matters to me.
This may piss people off that want social & political matters to be left entirely separate from the escapism I provide via my art, and I understand, I really do. I only post about this kind of stuff when it's absolutely necessary and most of the time it's not relevant. Most of you guys are already fantastic, intelligent people that I absolutely love working for who can fully ignore this post! But I felt like I should share these explanations so everyone knows my plan and stance going forward.
Thanks for reading & your understanding.
As you all know I'm okay with drawing most content that's popular in the fandom and have drawn pretty much everything, but of course not everything I draw is something I particularly love drawing. So, I plan on phasing out subject matters that I don't vibe with.
First thing I'm adding to the "Will Not Draw" list is macro content.
I will consider doing it for people I know personally and know have a decent reputation, but I'm going to be honest. In all my years of doing furry commissions, 9/10 people who have given me trouble or been proven to be very problematic in general have been into macrophilia. And honestly it just really bothers me, so ontop of it being very tedious and time consuming to draw, and not a personal interest of mine, I am making the choice to avoid it entirely from this point forward. I don't want to lump everyone together who is into macrophilia of course, but recently learning ugly truths about some people I have worked for in the past and in recent times has for sure put a bad taste in my mouth.
It's a fine line keeping true to my own moral beliefs and caring about what my commissioners' political views are for sure... And I can't always really know where everyone stands on every social issue. But working for people who are blatantly and publicly known for being and believing in things that I find to be offensive and harmful is something I am definitely not doing, have never done knowingly and never will do. It feels like endorsement working for said people, and many people take it that way too.
It is 100% peoples' personal business what their stance is on political and social issues, and yes, it has very little to actually do with getting furry art. But I have every right to ban people who I feel are perpetuating harmful beliefs from commissioning me too, as free as you all are to have your beliefs, I am free to conduct business under my own beliefs and what makes me feel most comfortable as well. If you're a scumbag or otherwise harmful; if you're a predator, white supremacist, racist, transphobic, pedophilic, non-fantasy zoophilic, you can find another artist who's okay with that, because I am not and don't appreciate being deceived by people who are secretly in any of these categories.
This stuff matters to me.
This may piss people off that want social & political matters to be left entirely separate from the escapism I provide via my art, and I understand, I really do. I only post about this kind of stuff when it's absolutely necessary and most of the time it's not relevant. Most of you guys are already fantastic, intelligent people that I absolutely love working for who can fully ignore this post! But I felt like I should share these explanations so everyone knows my plan and stance going forward.
Thanks for reading & your understanding.
I hope that in the future, all situation involved will be from good will !
(I will miss Ying, though, she was one of the few one-of-a-kind characters around.)
Aw I haven't had anyone send a message about her in so long! ^^
If you don't mind my asking, is there anything else in particular that you've been thinking of phasing out along with Macro?
Good question!- The subjects I enjoy drawing the least right now and I may very well remove include: vore, paw/foot fetish (I've drawn so little of this anyway), and maybe diaper/nonsexual babyfur too since I'm never asked of it anyway.
That applies to those who can do nothing to them as well. It's why I have *never* liked macro content, and have always felt very suspicious of people who are into it. It genuinely takes me quite a while to actually trust people who are into it. Not talking about the characters, I'm talking about the people themselves, the ones behind the character.
You can be as sweet as sugar, and kind as Mary Poppins IRL. But at the end of the day, your character is still squashing people, eating them, causing destruction. There's always going to be that shadow over my perception of you.
And also makes me feel bad for the macrophiles I know who are the sweetest people ever in the fandom, being lumped in with the toxic ones. Because they are out there! That's why I mentioned the intention to work with people I actually know & trust, because I didn't want to exclude them for something they have no part of.
I've seen macro art that is really cute and hilarious, such as getting zapped, drinking the wrong potion, what have you. And that doesn't really bother me.
I think it's when I see someone bigger and stronger taking advantage of, or harming, someone who's smaller, weaker or otherwise at a disadvantage. Things only get worse for me when the larger character is malicious about it, such as stomp or crush.
Then you have the people who see this, who without knowing the person writing the book, the artist moving the brush (or stylus), or the actor playing the role, most would assume they are of that mindset in the real world without separating fiction from person or in this case kink from person. I think the same can be said here. Someone in to say...BDSM and playing the role of the dominant, might be the kindest person on the planet outside of their kinks.
And with most things involving media, it takes all kinds. horrible people, good people. Shy people who're kinktastic behind the screen etc. so it is a bit unfair to judge em until you've spoken to them or gotten a feel for them through actions and community
But just like Pig, I've had similar experiences with such people, and even met them in person, face to face. And with very few exceptions, every one of them tripped my alarms. Sometimes even before I knew they had those dark fantasies.
From that point on, it becomes a risk-vs-reward kind of thing. If there's little risk to me, then fine; go for it, do as you like. If there is risk, is it worth the reward? And if there's no reward at all, then why engage the risk? Yet even if there's no risk, and big reward, I still have that alarm, ringing in the back of my mind.
And I never ignore it, nor do I ever forget it.
More times than not I've found my fellow macrophiles very abrasive, self-obsessed and more than a bit on the sociopathic side. It's the downside of being into a more destructive fetish, much like vore. I'd assume rape fetish and BDSM might have a similar issue, but I don't have experience there. And while it might just be a pure fantasy, some can get carried away with said fantasy and forget that the person they are talking to/playing with is a real person, not just text on a screen.
Either way, you might want to list out what exactly you consider macro. And I hope I wasn't one of those bad customers either...
Sizeplay is fun, and I guess it's kind of arbitrary what could be called macro or not while I'm still ok with doing sizeplay.
But, taking it off of my "will draw" list mostly applies to pieces in which the main theme is destruction. Also you're totally fine :)
All the love and support. Look forward to seeing (and hopefully buying) plenty of your work in the future!
Thank you so much :) I really do appreciate that! I hope to work with you lots more too!
Since I like drawing it myself I'll just keep doing it and probably have to start knocking heads when the assholes find me.
Definitely don't keep drawing something you don't enjoy, your work energy is too precious~
Thank you for the support I really appreciate that
Yeah you're totally right, and with pieces I actually really enjoy doing I feel they turn out so much better than other pieces I might not enjoy drawing so much, so it is a win-win for everyone in the end of it all. I really don't mind doing pieces that I don't personally absolutely love every single time either though, it keeps things interesting keeping my range wide!
*Leaves.*
Honestly no, no other fetish communities jump out at me; *maybe* hyper content, I can think of a couple of people into that kink that have been unpleasant. But that's kind of in the same vein as macro, making your character really big and powerful in one way or another seems to sometimes attract certain more toxic personality types.
I hope I am not one of the bad commissioners, and if so, just leave a nod so I won‘t bother you anymore :O
I think it's pretty telling when someone wants to run around stomping on people like a child stomping on anthills with total impunity. And a lot of them don't seem to have a strong line between fantasy and reality. It's sad that macro is such a haven for total jerks.
Yeah, for years I wasn't bothered by it and just chalked it up to escapism... But then the more you see & experience the people in that crowd, it surprisingly often can become clear that it's got a lot more to do with their own very real ideals and personality attributes/detriments than you first thought :/
I think they get angry that you're rejecting what they like, because they turn vitriolic fast when you firmly put down the 'my characters do not rampage and stomp stuff' response to the umpteenth time they tried to steer a conversation there. And if it's not that, it's the ones who want to 'out size' other giants. It's a mess, right up there with the vore community. Makes me glad I mostly keep to myself and don't get too deep in the communities for my interests.
It also means I can get more general art of more characters, instead of a plethora of lewd of just a few.
do you mind if i note you to share my thoughts? not to like, get closer and junk but i try not to shoot myself in the foot when it comes to these things (most of my viewer base is macro/micro).
Would never look for names...but I am curious what these 'problems' are in general (sans political). I've just never had much in the way of an explanation in journals on this topic. I'm only really curious now since macro is totally my territory.
Anger translation: Dafuq are my people doing to annoy good artists who don't deserve it?
So by working for these people, for me, knowing what they support in terms of political views or social issues (i.e. racist behaviour), it feels like I'm endorsing them as a person who deserves to be treated normally within my social circle online, when their views actively harm and threaten what I believe to be morally decent. So that is definitely problematic!
To go off on a bit of a tangent to explain my thought process and experiences with said people better; A lot of people who are proudly racist enjoy the false fabricated position of power and superiority it provides them. If you think about what a lot of macro art (but not all obviously) is aiming to achieve, it's a very similar fantasy of being all-powerful and superior. So this kink people have with macro content seems to sometimes bleed together with certain individuals' pre-existing prejudices regarding all kinds of things really based on fear and the desire to feel superior to others. Just sort of comes along naturally when you already have an everyday belief system that is based on that kind of desire of feeling superior.
It's a correlation that I find quite disturbing, common, and at this point I see it as a huge red flag and honestly I do regret working for so many people who have commissioned me for macro art as a huge percentage of them turned out to be awful toxic people years later, even people I considered to be friends. Always wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they were harmless and it was just escapism but they've successfully proven me wrong!
Hell of a psychoanalysis. Is it correct? Maybe. Don't know enough macrophiles intimately to make that call.
But you do you, booboo.
It's the same thing with exaggerated macro & other fetishes. Do you think that people who like violent cosmic macro would actually want to destroy Earth/other planets? [I mean destroy them in the way the Death Star does it, not nukes or runaway climate change]. or that people who like fatal vore secretly want to be painfully digested in something's gut IRL? That's a horrible way to die & I'm sure every vore fan that isn't literally depressed & suicidal would agree with me. If you think those thing sound bonkers, That's what your viewpoint & anyone echoing it sounds like to me.
I'm saying this as someone who prefers harmless macro/micro & vore at all size scales, so I'm not trying to defend my own preferences here.
TL:DR It's an impossible fantasy that has nothing to do with real world race, correlation does not equal causation & what you are saying is offensive to all macrophiles.
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Why do you talk about political stuff with your commissioners? Oh... I suppose you use Twitter. The best way to avoid "problematic" people is to leave "problematic" websites.:-P
Twitter attracts the worst kind of furs and narcissistic/shameless individuals from other communities of the internet in general. The whole site is about passive-aggressive oneliner brainfarts. What do you expect to find there? The greatest paragons of mankind?:-P
I may have seen one no name author, but I'm not even sure about that. I have never seen macros killing micros on the basis of real world [human] race, which is something I'd expect to see if it was correlated with racism & a desire for mass murder [which would need to be proven anyway].
No macrophile would actually want to do that in real life, I don't mind violent macros & vastly prefer scenarios where nobody gets hurt, but I understand how horrible it'd be if they actually existed.
The only people who think they're their fursonas are otherkin, everyone else Is just playing a character, some people just really get into it.
The person who made that Journal post clams to not be generalizing, but then goes onto say that most macrophiles that commissioned them have political position they disagree with.
Besides, If macro/micro fetishes were actually indicative of real murderous/genocidal desires, then we'd all be classified as having a mental illness & possibly be locked up for being a danger to society. It's a fantasy, a pie in the sky impossible fantasy, nothing more. To claim otherwise is to endorse Orwellian thoughtcrime or at the very least equivalent to the rubbish "video games cause violence" argument.
If someone does endorse violence like that IRL, it's because they're a psychopath, not because they have a fetish. most macro/micro fans aren't like that, to claim otherwise is getting one's logic backwards.
Even though the poster of this journal doesn't know me personally of course, I have many people who know me outside of just my art, who can attest that I'm not anywhere close to being one of those supremacist, hateful, racist macrophiles. I'm definitely not afraid of having a discussion about the topic in a respectful manner.
As someone who also enjoys violent macro art from time to time, here is my reasoning on that. I DON'T like to imagine the ones in the path of destruction being ordinary citizens, as if I think about that too deeply, it definitely DOES upset me. Again, I can forgive movies and games for such scenarios, as it's all fantasy, anyway. Going with the game theme, it is also helpful for me to imagine them as just that- NPCs in a game, because it HURTS ME to think about them as realistic, thinking, feeling characters because I can all to imagine those characters as myself, my friends, family, and those I love so deeply. I can pretty confidently say I'm the total opposite to these macros you've encountered, and many people like to call me "too sensitive", even.
Another way is that I think of them as only being people who committed the most atrocious, vile, despicable acts in the world. People / characters whom I'd have no sympathy for and who "get what they deserve".
I guess all in all it makes me sad, as I love Pig's art, and I still think about this journal from time to time and feel like, I shouldn't ever post any macro content as people will believe me to be some abhorrent individual. It's hard for me to explain WHY I like it so damn much, but reading stuff like this makes me feel ashamed, and like I shouldn't enjoy it. Yet, I do, and it's impossible for me to change myself, as I've loved giant stuff very early on in my life.
Yeah I've been into macrophillia since was but a tot. Like I'm fairly sure I didn't have any understanding of political issues back when I was 5. :P It was always just this weird thing I would find myself enjoying, which I never grew out of for some reason. You and the macrophiles I know are all super progressive, so I'm shocked that there are such horrible macrophiles out there, as I have never met any like that. The only correlation I've seen with macrophiles is that they are almost always on the autistic spectrum, except for you and me, as far as I know. Maybe most neurotypicals simply grow out of it, and I just didn't for some reason. But yeah, macrophilia simply means "big fondness," and I've always loved the idea of being small while watching the giants do their thing. Or have the roles being reversed, with people being ant sized. Although I'm more well known for realistic size-difference content.
Again, I debated commenting on this as I don't want to appear as though I'm trying to force Pig and other artists to draw macro/micro content if they're absolutely uncomfortable with it, as that's a futile gesture. I merely want to prove that not all macros, *or even the majority of macro /microphiles that we've personally encountered* are automatically bad people....because that could not be farther from the truth.
I'm not saying that you think badly about everyone into the kink, but you're pushing a insulting stereotype about macro/micro. Fantasy doesn't equal reality & correlation doesn't equal causation. We're not psychos & I have never seen a racist macrophile in all the years I've been lurking here & on DA.
But you also seemed to be egging people on to say more hurtful things down below. And I think you should have handled this more professionally. Everything up to and including this quote was fine, "So, I plan on phasing out subject matters that I don't vibe with." It's the rest of the post where things went wrong.
Yeah, the argument that video games cause violence is definitely rubbish. Such people with psychopathy and sociopathy may be drawn to said games, but doesn't mean that everyone who likes them wants to commit violence in real life. Same can be said for macrophiles who enjoy violent content.