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General | Posted 17 years agohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KW8DRSvEoQ
Cleaning out old links I spotted this while I had some internet going and it hit me how many different analogies this could count for. One of them being this fandom (Pretty much any fandom, I admit.)
Such as the big fatcat and his cigar and moneybags... representing the artgods of the fandom. The money blowing around could represent the money they make hand over fist, but I prefer to think the money would be too heavy to blow around because of all the jizz stuck to it. It could be all the yiff pics blowing around, I can think of some folks who could unleash a flutterblast at a furrycon and pinups and sketchbook commissions would be blowin' in the breeze. (Actually, I could probably do that, reminds me of the Brass Armadillo incident.) Instead of missiles it would be the animal dildos. The kind people stick on the end of jackhammers.
The difference is no matter how you look at it be it corporate corruption or government crapola you'd never see a scene like that in furry fandom. There are those who would rise up, break the chains and wage war against the rather sick shit that goes on. However in furry, and to a more limited level, Anime he'd be marching alone because everyone else would be at home too busy fappin'.
"There's too many men and too many people causing too many problems. And not much love to go around..."
After all, who needs LOVE when all they need is a bottle of Jergins and the latest Artica pic or at least a thousand other characters out there.
I always loved this video, I loved the tune long before Disturbed ever got to redoing it. The dude in the Disturbed one, though, reminds me of a character of mine.
Ripped Dragoneer a new one. Think I'm going to be raising some hell with some folks. Dragoneer won't help 'em, he hasn't started to yet.
Cleaning out old links I spotted this while I had some internet going and it hit me how many different analogies this could count for. One of them being this fandom (Pretty much any fandom, I admit.)
Such as the big fatcat and his cigar and moneybags... representing the artgods of the fandom. The money blowing around could represent the money they make hand over fist, but I prefer to think the money would be too heavy to blow around because of all the jizz stuck to it. It could be all the yiff pics blowing around, I can think of some folks who could unleash a flutterblast at a furrycon and pinups and sketchbook commissions would be blowin' in the breeze. (Actually, I could probably do that, reminds me of the Brass Armadillo incident.) Instead of missiles it would be the animal dildos. The kind people stick on the end of jackhammers.
The difference is no matter how you look at it be it corporate corruption or government crapola you'd never see a scene like that in furry fandom. There are those who would rise up, break the chains and wage war against the rather sick shit that goes on. However in furry, and to a more limited level, Anime he'd be marching alone because everyone else would be at home too busy fappin'.
"There's too many men and too many people causing too many problems. And not much love to go around..."
After all, who needs LOVE when all they need is a bottle of Jergins and the latest Artica pic or at least a thousand other characters out there.
I always loved this video, I loved the tune long before Disturbed ever got to redoing it. The dude in the Disturbed one, though, reminds me of a character of mine.
Ripped Dragoneer a new one. Think I'm going to be raising some hell with some folks. Dragoneer won't help 'em, he hasn't started to yet.
You want it all but you can't have it
General | Posted 17 years agoIt's in your reach but you can't grab it...
Well, I got my point across as best I could. There isn't anything more that I could do to try and help give the women in the sport of boxing a bit more respect. I've picked on one hit wonders, anime boxing gurus, more traditional foxy boxing fans, and so on. There isn't anything else I can do. I knew it was a fight I would never win, the perverts always will win over the logical. At least I did my paart, not enough by any stretch, if it were up to me I'd have every foxy boxer plastered on every church news paper, regular newspaper, political paper, and so on.
So, dat be it.
"I'm sick of all these people talkin' out their heads. I never understood a damn thing that they said. From words to actions never knowing what they're about. I guess I'll have to chew 'em up and spit them out. I say... I walked for miles inside this pit of danger. I've swallowed down a thousand years of anger. The weight of the world is fallin' on my shoulders. A place where no one follows me, I walk alone."
Well, I got my point across as best I could. There isn't anything more that I could do to try and help give the women in the sport of boxing a bit more respect. I've picked on one hit wonders, anime boxing gurus, more traditional foxy boxing fans, and so on. There isn't anything else I can do. I knew it was a fight I would never win, the perverts always will win over the logical. At least I did my paart, not enough by any stretch, if it were up to me I'd have every foxy boxer plastered on every church news paper, regular newspaper, political paper, and so on.
So, dat be it.
"I'm sick of all these people talkin' out their heads. I never understood a damn thing that they said. From words to actions never knowing what they're about. I guess I'll have to chew 'em up and spit them out. I say... I walked for miles inside this pit of danger. I've swallowed down a thousand years of anger. The weight of the world is fallin' on my shoulders. A place where no one follows me, I walk alone."
Geek Falacies, we all have them.
General | Posted 17 years agoIn an article I read written by Michael Suileabhain-Wilson I thought OH HOW FUGGIN' TRUE
I want to note that I'm not trying to say that every geek subscribes to every one of the fallacies I outline here; every individual subscribes to a different set of ideas, and adheres to any given idea with a different amount of zeal.
In any event, here are five geek social fallacies I've identified. There are likely more.
Geek Social Fallacy #1: Ostracizers Are Evil *AKA ME! The Bigevilogre. I am so EVIL it's SCARY, so I'm told.)
GSF1 is one of the most common fallacies, and one of the most deeply held. Many geeks have had horrible, humiliating, and formative experiences with ostracism, and the notion of being on the other side of the transaction is repugnant to them.
In its non-pathological form, GSF1 is benign, and even commendable: it is long past time we all grew up and stopped with the junior high popularity games. However, in its pathological form, GSF1 prevents its carrier from participating in -- or tolerating -- the exclusion of anyone from anything, be it a party, a comic book store, or a web forum, and no matter how obnoxious, offensive, or aromatic the prospective excludee may be.
As a result, nearly every geek social group of significant size has at least one member that 80% of the members hate, and the remaining 20% merely tolerate. If GSF1 exists in sufficient concentration -- and it usually does -- it is impossible to expel a person who actively detracts from every social event. GSF1 protocol permits you not to invite someone you don't like to a given event, but if someone spills the beans and our hypothetical Cat Piss Man invites himself, there is no recourse. You must put up with him, or you will be an Evil Ostracizer and might as well go out for the football team.
This phenomenon has a number of unpleasant consequences. For one thing, it actively hinders the wider acceptance of geek-related activities: I don't know that RPGs and comics would be more popular if there were fewer trolls who smell of cheese hassling the new blood, but I'm sure it couldn't hurt. For another, when nothing smacking of social selectiveness can be discussed in public, people inevitably begin to organize activities in secret. These conspiracies often lead to more problems down the line, and the end result is as juvenile as anything a seventh-grader ever dreamed of.
Geek Social Fallacy #2: Friends Accept Me As I Am
The origins of GSF2 are closely allied to the origins of GSF1. After being victimized by social exclusion, many geeks experience their "tribe" as a non-judgmental haven where they can take refuge from the cruel world outside.
This seems straightforward and reasonable. It's important for people to have a space where they feel safe and accepted. Ideally, everyone's social group would be a safe haven. When people who rely too heavily upon that refuge feel insecure in that haven, however, a commendable ideal mutates into its pathological form, GSF2.
Carriers of GSF2 believe that since a friend accepts them as they are, anyone who criticizes them is not their friend. Thus, they can't take criticism from friends -- criticism is experienced as a treacherous betrayal of the friendship, no matter how inappropriate the criticized behavior may be.
Conversely, most carriers will never criticize a friend under any circumstances; the duty to be supportive trumps any impulse to point out unacceptable behavior.
GSF2 has extensive consequences within a group. Its presence in substantial quantity within a social group vastly increases the group's conflict-averseness. People spend hours debating how to deal with conflicts, because they know (or sometimes merely fear) that the other person involved is a GSF2 carrier, and any attempt to confront them directly will only make things worse. As a result, people let grudges brew much longer than is healthy, and they spend absurd amounts of time deconstructing their interpersonal dramas in search of a back way out of a dilemma.
Ironically, GSF2 carriers often take criticism from coworkers, supervisors, and mentors quite well; those individuals aren't friends, and aren't expected to accept the carrier unconditionally.
Geek Social Fallacy #3: Friendship Before All
Valuing friendships is a fine and worthy thing. When taken to an unhealthy extreme, however, GSF3 can manifest itself.
Like GSF2, GSF3 is a "friendship test" fallacy: in this case, the carrier believes that any failure by a friend to put the interests of the friendship above all else means that they aren't really a friend at all. It should be obvious that there are a million ways that this can be a problem for the carrier's friends, but the most common one is a situation where friends' interests conflict -- if, for example, one friend asks you to keep a secret from another friend. If both friends are GSF3 carriers, you're screwed -- the first one will feel betrayed if you reveal the secret, and the other will feel betrayed if you don't. Your only hope is to keep the second friend from finding out, which is difficult if the secret in question was a party that a lot of people went to.
GSF3 can be costly for the carrier as well. They often sacrifice work, family, and romantic obligations at the altar of friendship. In the end, the carrier has a great circle of friends, but not a lot else to show for their life. This is one reason why so many geek circles include people whose sole redeeming quality is loyalty: it's hard not to honor someone who goes to such lengths to be there for a friend, however destructive they may be in other respects.
Individual carriers sometimes have exceptions to GSF3, which allow friends to place a certain protected class of people or things above friendship in a pinch: "significant others" is a common protected class, as is "work".
Geek Social Fallacy #4: Friendship Is Transitive
Every carrier of GSF4 has, at some point, said:
"Wouldn't it be great to get all my groups of friends into one place for one big happy party?!"
If you groaned at that last paragraph, you may be a recovering GSF4 carrier.
GSF4 is the belief that any two of your friends ought to be friends with each other, and if they're not, something is Very Wrong.
The milder form of GSF4 merely prevents the carrier from perceiving evidence to contradict it; a carrier will refuse to comprehend that two of their friends (or two groups of friends) don't much care for each other, and will continue to try to bring them together at social events. They may even maintain that a full-scale vendetta is just a misunderstanding between friends that could easily be resolved if the principals would just sit down to talk it out.
A more serious form of GSF4 becomes another "friendship test" fallacy: if you have a friend A, and a friend B, but A & B are not friends, then one of them must not really be your friend at all. It is surprisingly common for a carrier, when faced with two friends who don't get along, to simply drop one of them.
On the other side of the equation, a carrier who doesn't like a friend of a friend will often get very passive-aggressive and covertly hostile to the friend of a friend, while vigorously maintaining that we're one big happy family and everyone is friends.
GSF4 can also lead carriers to make inappropriate requests of people they barely know -- asking a friend's roommate's ex if they can crash on their couch, asking a college acquaintance from eight years ago for a letter of recommendation at their workplace, and so on. If something is appropriate to ask of a friend, it's appropriate to ask of a friend of a friend.
Arguably, Friendster was designed by a GSF4 carrier.
Geek Social Fallacy #5: Friends Do Everything Together
GSF5, put simply, maintains that every friend in a circle should be included in every activity to the full extent possible. This is subtly different from GSF1; GSF1 requires that no one, friend or not, be excluded, while GSF5 requires that every friend be invited. This means that to a GSF5 carrier, not being invited to something is intrinsically a snub, and will be responded to as such.
This is perhaps the least destructive of the five, being at worst inconvenient. In a small circle, this is incestuous but basically harmless. In larger groups, it can make certain social events very difficult: parties which are way too large for their spaces and restaurant expeditions that include twenty people and no reservation are far from unusual.
When everyone in a group is a GSF5 carrier, this isn't really a problem. If, however, there are members who aren't carriers, they may want occasionally to have smaller outings, and these can be hard to arrange without causing hurt feelings and social drama. It's hard to explain to a GSF5 carrier that just because you only wanted to have dinner with five other people tonight, it doesn't mean that your friendship is in terrible danger.
For some reason, many GSF5 carriers are willing to make an exception for gender-segregated events. I don't know why.
Interactions
Each fallacy has its own set of unfortunate consequences, but frequently they become worse in interaction. GSF4 often develops into its more extreme form when paired with GSF5; if everyone does everything together, it's much harder to maintain two friends who don't get along. One will usually fall by the wayside.
Similarly, GSF1 and GSF5 can combine regrettably: when a failure to invite someone is equivalent to excluding them, you can't even get away with not inviting Captain Halitosis along on the road trip. GSF3 can combine disastrously with the other "friendship test" fallacies; carriers may insist that their friends join them in snubbing someone who fails the test, which occasionally leads to a chain reaction which causes the carrier to eventually reject all of their friends. This is not healthy; fortunately, severe versions of GSF3 are rare.
Consequences
Dealing with the effects of social fallacies is an essential part of managing one's social life among geeks, and this is much easier when one is aware of them and can identify which of your friends carry which fallacies. In the absence of this kind of awareness, three situations tend to arise when people come into contact with fallacies they don't hold themselves.
Most common is simple conflict and hurt feelings. It's hard for people to talk through these conflicts because they usually stem from fairly primal value clashes; a GSF3 carrier may not even be able to articulate why it was such a big deal that their non-carrier friend blew off their movie night.
Alternately, people often take on fallacies that are dominant in their social circle. If you join a group of GSF5 carriers, doing everything together is going to become a habit; if you spend enough time around GSF1 carriers, putting up with trolls is going to seem normal.
Less commonly, people form a sort of counter-fallacy which I call "Your Feelings, Your Problem". YFYP carriers deal with other people's fallacies by ignoring them entirely, in the process acquiring a reputation for being charmingly tactless. Carriers tend to receive a sort of exemption from the usual standards: "that's just Dana", and so on. YFYP has its own problems, but if you would rather be an asshole than angstful, it may be the way to go. It's also remarkably easy to pull off in a GSF1-rich environment.
What Can I Do?
As I've said, I think that the best way to deal with social fallacies is to be aware of them, in yourself and in others. In yourself, you can try to deal with them; in others, understanding their behavior usually makes it less aggravating.
Social fallacies don't make someone a bad person; on the contrary, they usually spring from the purest motives. But I believe they are worth deconstructing; in the long run, social fallacies cost a lot of stress and drama, to no real benefit. You can be tolerant without being indiscriminate, and you can be loyal to friends without being compulsive about it.
Hey, Are You Talking About Me?
If I know you, yeah, probably I am. It doesn't mean I don't love you; most of us carry a few fallacies. Myself, I struggle with GSF 1 and 2, and I used to have a bad case of 4 until a series of disastrous parties dispelled it.
I haven't used any examples that refer to specific situations, if it has you worried. Any resemblances to geeks living or dead are coincidental.
"I'm sick of all these people talkin' out their heads. I never understood a damn thing that they said. From words to actions never knowing what they're about. I guess I'll have to chew 'em up and spit them out. I say... I walked for miles inside this pit of danger. I've swallowed down a thousand years of anger. The weight of the world is fallin' on my shoulders. A place where no one follows me, I walk alone."
I want to note that I'm not trying to say that every geek subscribes to every one of the fallacies I outline here; every individual subscribes to a different set of ideas, and adheres to any given idea with a different amount of zeal.
In any event, here are five geek social fallacies I've identified. There are likely more.
Geek Social Fallacy #1: Ostracizers Are Evil *AKA ME! The Bigevilogre. I am so EVIL it's SCARY, so I'm told.)
GSF1 is one of the most common fallacies, and one of the most deeply held. Many geeks have had horrible, humiliating, and formative experiences with ostracism, and the notion of being on the other side of the transaction is repugnant to them.
In its non-pathological form, GSF1 is benign, and even commendable: it is long past time we all grew up and stopped with the junior high popularity games. However, in its pathological form, GSF1 prevents its carrier from participating in -- or tolerating -- the exclusion of anyone from anything, be it a party, a comic book store, or a web forum, and no matter how obnoxious, offensive, or aromatic the prospective excludee may be.
As a result, nearly every geek social group of significant size has at least one member that 80% of the members hate, and the remaining 20% merely tolerate. If GSF1 exists in sufficient concentration -- and it usually does -- it is impossible to expel a person who actively detracts from every social event. GSF1 protocol permits you not to invite someone you don't like to a given event, but if someone spills the beans and our hypothetical Cat Piss Man invites himself, there is no recourse. You must put up with him, or you will be an Evil Ostracizer and might as well go out for the football team.
This phenomenon has a number of unpleasant consequences. For one thing, it actively hinders the wider acceptance of geek-related activities: I don't know that RPGs and comics would be more popular if there were fewer trolls who smell of cheese hassling the new blood, but I'm sure it couldn't hurt. For another, when nothing smacking of social selectiveness can be discussed in public, people inevitably begin to organize activities in secret. These conspiracies often lead to more problems down the line, and the end result is as juvenile as anything a seventh-grader ever dreamed of.
Geek Social Fallacy #2: Friends Accept Me As I Am
The origins of GSF2 are closely allied to the origins of GSF1. After being victimized by social exclusion, many geeks experience their "tribe" as a non-judgmental haven where they can take refuge from the cruel world outside.
This seems straightforward and reasonable. It's important for people to have a space where they feel safe and accepted. Ideally, everyone's social group would be a safe haven. When people who rely too heavily upon that refuge feel insecure in that haven, however, a commendable ideal mutates into its pathological form, GSF2.
Carriers of GSF2 believe that since a friend accepts them as they are, anyone who criticizes them is not their friend. Thus, they can't take criticism from friends -- criticism is experienced as a treacherous betrayal of the friendship, no matter how inappropriate the criticized behavior may be.
Conversely, most carriers will never criticize a friend under any circumstances; the duty to be supportive trumps any impulse to point out unacceptable behavior.
GSF2 has extensive consequences within a group. Its presence in substantial quantity within a social group vastly increases the group's conflict-averseness. People spend hours debating how to deal with conflicts, because they know (or sometimes merely fear) that the other person involved is a GSF2 carrier, and any attempt to confront them directly will only make things worse. As a result, people let grudges brew much longer than is healthy, and they spend absurd amounts of time deconstructing their interpersonal dramas in search of a back way out of a dilemma.
Ironically, GSF2 carriers often take criticism from coworkers, supervisors, and mentors quite well; those individuals aren't friends, and aren't expected to accept the carrier unconditionally.
Geek Social Fallacy #3: Friendship Before All
Valuing friendships is a fine and worthy thing. When taken to an unhealthy extreme, however, GSF3 can manifest itself.
Like GSF2, GSF3 is a "friendship test" fallacy: in this case, the carrier believes that any failure by a friend to put the interests of the friendship above all else means that they aren't really a friend at all. It should be obvious that there are a million ways that this can be a problem for the carrier's friends, but the most common one is a situation where friends' interests conflict -- if, for example, one friend asks you to keep a secret from another friend. If both friends are GSF3 carriers, you're screwed -- the first one will feel betrayed if you reveal the secret, and the other will feel betrayed if you don't. Your only hope is to keep the second friend from finding out, which is difficult if the secret in question was a party that a lot of people went to.
GSF3 can be costly for the carrier as well. They often sacrifice work, family, and romantic obligations at the altar of friendship. In the end, the carrier has a great circle of friends, but not a lot else to show for their life. This is one reason why so many geek circles include people whose sole redeeming quality is loyalty: it's hard not to honor someone who goes to such lengths to be there for a friend, however destructive they may be in other respects.
Individual carriers sometimes have exceptions to GSF3, which allow friends to place a certain protected class of people or things above friendship in a pinch: "significant others" is a common protected class, as is "work".
Geek Social Fallacy #4: Friendship Is Transitive
Every carrier of GSF4 has, at some point, said:
"Wouldn't it be great to get all my groups of friends into one place for one big happy party?!"
If you groaned at that last paragraph, you may be a recovering GSF4 carrier.
GSF4 is the belief that any two of your friends ought to be friends with each other, and if they're not, something is Very Wrong.
The milder form of GSF4 merely prevents the carrier from perceiving evidence to contradict it; a carrier will refuse to comprehend that two of their friends (or two groups of friends) don't much care for each other, and will continue to try to bring them together at social events. They may even maintain that a full-scale vendetta is just a misunderstanding between friends that could easily be resolved if the principals would just sit down to talk it out.
A more serious form of GSF4 becomes another "friendship test" fallacy: if you have a friend A, and a friend B, but A & B are not friends, then one of them must not really be your friend at all. It is surprisingly common for a carrier, when faced with two friends who don't get along, to simply drop one of them.
On the other side of the equation, a carrier who doesn't like a friend of a friend will often get very passive-aggressive and covertly hostile to the friend of a friend, while vigorously maintaining that we're one big happy family and everyone is friends.
GSF4 can also lead carriers to make inappropriate requests of people they barely know -- asking a friend's roommate's ex if they can crash on their couch, asking a college acquaintance from eight years ago for a letter of recommendation at their workplace, and so on. If something is appropriate to ask of a friend, it's appropriate to ask of a friend of a friend.
Arguably, Friendster was designed by a GSF4 carrier.
Geek Social Fallacy #5: Friends Do Everything Together
GSF5, put simply, maintains that every friend in a circle should be included in every activity to the full extent possible. This is subtly different from GSF1; GSF1 requires that no one, friend or not, be excluded, while GSF5 requires that every friend be invited. This means that to a GSF5 carrier, not being invited to something is intrinsically a snub, and will be responded to as such.
This is perhaps the least destructive of the five, being at worst inconvenient. In a small circle, this is incestuous but basically harmless. In larger groups, it can make certain social events very difficult: parties which are way too large for their spaces and restaurant expeditions that include twenty people and no reservation are far from unusual.
When everyone in a group is a GSF5 carrier, this isn't really a problem. If, however, there are members who aren't carriers, they may want occasionally to have smaller outings, and these can be hard to arrange without causing hurt feelings and social drama. It's hard to explain to a GSF5 carrier that just because you only wanted to have dinner with five other people tonight, it doesn't mean that your friendship is in terrible danger.
For some reason, many GSF5 carriers are willing to make an exception for gender-segregated events. I don't know why.
Interactions
Each fallacy has its own set of unfortunate consequences, but frequently they become worse in interaction. GSF4 often develops into its more extreme form when paired with GSF5; if everyone does everything together, it's much harder to maintain two friends who don't get along. One will usually fall by the wayside.
Similarly, GSF1 and GSF5 can combine regrettably: when a failure to invite someone is equivalent to excluding them, you can't even get away with not inviting Captain Halitosis along on the road trip. GSF3 can combine disastrously with the other "friendship test" fallacies; carriers may insist that their friends join them in snubbing someone who fails the test, which occasionally leads to a chain reaction which causes the carrier to eventually reject all of their friends. This is not healthy; fortunately, severe versions of GSF3 are rare.
Consequences
Dealing with the effects of social fallacies is an essential part of managing one's social life among geeks, and this is much easier when one is aware of them and can identify which of your friends carry which fallacies. In the absence of this kind of awareness, three situations tend to arise when people come into contact with fallacies they don't hold themselves.
Most common is simple conflict and hurt feelings. It's hard for people to talk through these conflicts because they usually stem from fairly primal value clashes; a GSF3 carrier may not even be able to articulate why it was such a big deal that their non-carrier friend blew off their movie night.
Alternately, people often take on fallacies that are dominant in their social circle. If you join a group of GSF5 carriers, doing everything together is going to become a habit; if you spend enough time around GSF1 carriers, putting up with trolls is going to seem normal.
Less commonly, people form a sort of counter-fallacy which I call "Your Feelings, Your Problem". YFYP carriers deal with other people's fallacies by ignoring them entirely, in the process acquiring a reputation for being charmingly tactless. Carriers tend to receive a sort of exemption from the usual standards: "that's just Dana", and so on. YFYP has its own problems, but if you would rather be an asshole than angstful, it may be the way to go. It's also remarkably easy to pull off in a GSF1-rich environment.
What Can I Do?
As I've said, I think that the best way to deal with social fallacies is to be aware of them, in yourself and in others. In yourself, you can try to deal with them; in others, understanding their behavior usually makes it less aggravating.
Social fallacies don't make someone a bad person; on the contrary, they usually spring from the purest motives. But I believe they are worth deconstructing; in the long run, social fallacies cost a lot of stress and drama, to no real benefit. You can be tolerant without being indiscriminate, and you can be loyal to friends without being compulsive about it.
Hey, Are You Talking About Me?
If I know you, yeah, probably I am. It doesn't mean I don't love you; most of us carry a few fallacies. Myself, I struggle with GSF 1 and 2, and I used to have a bad case of 4 until a series of disastrous parties dispelled it.
I haven't used any examples that refer to specific situations, if it has you worried. Any resemblances to geeks living or dead are coincidental.
"I'm sick of all these people talkin' out their heads. I never understood a damn thing that they said. From words to actions never knowing what they're about. I guess I'll have to chew 'em up and spit them out. I say... I walked for miles inside this pit of danger. I've swallowed down a thousand years of anger. The weight of the world is fallin' on my shoulders. A place where no one follows me, I walk alone."
Let's make sense people
General | Posted 17 years agoThere's been some hubub about clean vs porn lately. I agree, these three struck me most.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/461655/
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/461945/
And this one had me even thinking about MY OWN way.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/462145/
I've always tried to say I'm not saying porn is bad. I HAVE always tried to say that the fandom relies WAYYYYYY TOO MUCH ON IT. These three folks have taken a stand, saying what's on their minds.
Fact of the matter, many agree with me. They're just too afraid to rock the boat. "If I say something against porn people will be MAD AT MEEEEEEE. So I have to either stay quiet, or better yet, SUPPORT their meth... I mean... porn habit."
I always thought a world that remained quiet was harder on the ears than standing between a few top fuel dragsters. If the people don't stand and say "This is NOT approprirate!" then guess what? Sooner or later someone could draw a picture of a soldier being tortured into raping a child and everyone will chant in time "That is so hawt" while they THINK "I wanna puke. But I don't wanna ROCK THE BOAT!" Silence can harm a world as much as loud mouth assholes like me. At least MY heart is somewhat in the right place.
The thing is, a lot of my stand isn't even the quantity of porn. It is the subject matter. Some things are not GOOD to be turned on by. Like me and how I think boxing porn is slime. Injuring another person isn't "cute" it isn't "sexy" it isn't "Sweet". Sure, a cute little pinup I'll pass by, admire how good it is, and move on. When two females are punching each other in the twat until they bleed, then give/get oral... that in my opinion goes beyond fetish and into "Someone needs some time in an I-love-me coat in a padded cell."
Rough sex type porn, okay. Taking a sport/pass time/situation/tragedy is not okay.
These folks, who are all people in the fandom I respect who made these journals, go one further and say "HEY! There's more than wanking off and fucking stuffed toys to life!"
They may not like how I put things, or my motives or whatever. I am an angry vengeful person. My anger has poisoned my soul and I have come to terms with that.
I just don't have their hope. There are what, four people wanting to slap some sense into the fandom? We're outnumber what, 2 million to one? Once upon a time I'd take those odds.
The question is:
Will the fandom itself rise to a higher standard and be all the cool things that are buried undernieth it? Or will the rest of society sink to the level of sickness the fandom is seen as by the "normies"?
One way or the other, society will accept furries. I'm just betting on the latter.
Don't give up porn. Just stop being a fucking slave to it, furries. How many artists I have known who started out being these fantastic artists who wanted to show a world from their minds to the rest of us, so they honed their skills, worked their minds, slaved over paper, created these awesome works... and they now...
just draw porn. How sad is that?
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/461655/
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/461945/
And this one had me even thinking about MY OWN way.
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/462145/
I've always tried to say I'm not saying porn is bad. I HAVE always tried to say that the fandom relies WAYYYYYY TOO MUCH ON IT. These three folks have taken a stand, saying what's on their minds.
Fact of the matter, many agree with me. They're just too afraid to rock the boat. "If I say something against porn people will be MAD AT MEEEEEEE. So I have to either stay quiet, or better yet, SUPPORT their meth... I mean... porn habit."
I always thought a world that remained quiet was harder on the ears than standing between a few top fuel dragsters. If the people don't stand and say "This is NOT approprirate!" then guess what? Sooner or later someone could draw a picture of a soldier being tortured into raping a child and everyone will chant in time "That is so hawt" while they THINK "I wanna puke. But I don't wanna ROCK THE BOAT!" Silence can harm a world as much as loud mouth assholes like me. At least MY heart is somewhat in the right place.
The thing is, a lot of my stand isn't even the quantity of porn. It is the subject matter. Some things are not GOOD to be turned on by. Like me and how I think boxing porn is slime. Injuring another person isn't "cute" it isn't "sexy" it isn't "Sweet". Sure, a cute little pinup I'll pass by, admire how good it is, and move on. When two females are punching each other in the twat until they bleed, then give/get oral... that in my opinion goes beyond fetish and into "Someone needs some time in an I-love-me coat in a padded cell."
Rough sex type porn, okay. Taking a sport/pass time/situation/tragedy is not okay.
These folks, who are all people in the fandom I respect who made these journals, go one further and say "HEY! There's more than wanking off and fucking stuffed toys to life!"
They may not like how I put things, or my motives or whatever. I am an angry vengeful person. My anger has poisoned my soul and I have come to terms with that.
I just don't have their hope. There are what, four people wanting to slap some sense into the fandom? We're outnumber what, 2 million to one? Once upon a time I'd take those odds.
The question is:
Will the fandom itself rise to a higher standard and be all the cool things that are buried undernieth it? Or will the rest of society sink to the level of sickness the fandom is seen as by the "normies"?
One way or the other, society will accept furries. I'm just betting on the latter.
Don't give up porn. Just stop being a fucking slave to it, furries. How many artists I have known who started out being these fantastic artists who wanted to show a world from their minds to the rest of us, so they honed their skills, worked their minds, slaved over paper, created these awesome works... and they now...
just draw porn. How sad is that?
Half moved
General | Posted 17 years agoI'm half way moved. What I see when I cam back to DA makes me sick. Green Legend and Tank all over the place. It's probably the same here, FA just can't seem to get their shit together enough to get a search engine going.
I just don't get it. I know it's all fantasy but throwing aside all of the anger because of the disrespect Green brings to the sport there still is no consistancy. How many pics end up being of her down getting a ten count, while other pics she's got a friggin' title belt? Then she tells me that Sierra might not have gotten so much popularity because "Green is just a good fighter. She wins, and she loses."
And she can punch craters into the ground. And she can punch green energy blasts.
So which is it? Is she a "Good fighter"? "Good fighters" don't get knocked out like that often. sure, it's happened, a good fighter gets knocked out. Just not NEARLY AS OFTEN. no fighter ever has gotten a real title after being knocked out so many times. Or is she a Saiyan? You know, DBZ? Perhaps Green Legend is Vegita's little sister? "KamehameJIGGLEHA!" and spits an earth shattering green blast from her fist?
The fact that green legend even exists rubs me wrong.
I WANT to leave this place. That's why I wanted banned from here because EVERY time i look up one of the things I enjoy most in life I see Green Legend, who in my opinion is everything that is wrong with the sport of boxing and totally celebrates it and encourages it, and a lot of what i think is wrong with the furry fandom.
I can't ignore it, it just pisses me off. I think any chance I get to commission someone to show Sierra knocking Green's block off, I'll do it and post it. Might do the same with Laine and Merrick. Only reason I'm not attacking K.O. is because I never really seen her IN the ring fighting.
It just makes me sick.
"I'm sick of all these people talkin' out their heads. I never understood a damn thing that they said. From words to actions never knowing what they're about. I guess I'll have to chew 'em up and spit them out. I say... I walked for miles inside this pit of danger. I've swallowed down a thousand years of anger. The weight of the world is fallin' on my shoulders. A place where no one follows me, I walk alone."
I just don't get it. I know it's all fantasy but throwing aside all of the anger because of the disrespect Green brings to the sport there still is no consistancy. How many pics end up being of her down getting a ten count, while other pics she's got a friggin' title belt? Then she tells me that Sierra might not have gotten so much popularity because "Green is just a good fighter. She wins, and she loses."
And she can punch craters into the ground. And she can punch green energy blasts.
So which is it? Is she a "Good fighter"? "Good fighters" don't get knocked out like that often. sure, it's happened, a good fighter gets knocked out. Just not NEARLY AS OFTEN. no fighter ever has gotten a real title after being knocked out so many times. Or is she a Saiyan? You know, DBZ? Perhaps Green Legend is Vegita's little sister? "KamehameJIGGLEHA!" and spits an earth shattering green blast from her fist?
The fact that green legend even exists rubs me wrong.
I WANT to leave this place. That's why I wanted banned from here because EVERY time i look up one of the things I enjoy most in life I see Green Legend, who in my opinion is everything that is wrong with the sport of boxing and totally celebrates it and encourages it, and a lot of what i think is wrong with the furry fandom.
I can't ignore it, it just pisses me off. I think any chance I get to commission someone to show Sierra knocking Green's block off, I'll do it and post it. Might do the same with Laine and Merrick. Only reason I'm not attacking K.O. is because I never really seen her IN the ring fighting.
It just makes me sick.
"I'm sick of all these people talkin' out their heads. I never understood a damn thing that they said. From words to actions never knowing what they're about. I guess I'll have to chew 'em up and spit them out. I say... I walked for miles inside this pit of danger. I've swallowed down a thousand years of anger. The weight of the world is fallin' on my shoulders. A place where no one follows me, I walk alone."
Before I log out...
General | Posted 17 years agohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85gO8XLb4ug&feature=related Hey! My anthem!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EhREGp1sw4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maiWu3_Z88s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gejSEOnaYek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw Now how many of us does this fit?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EhREGp1sw4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maiWu3_Z88s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gejSEOnaYek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw Now how many of us does this fit?
Moving
General | Posted 17 years agoSo for the like... three of you who actually care:
Well we're beginning the move. Joy. So why is it that I kick ass with all the work we had to do until the day before moving where suddenly I am at a period where I have a lot of trouble walking? PAIN! HURT! OWWIE!
I mean look at it like this. My feet ALWAYS hurt. I'm used to it. Right now is a time, though, where... well imagine it like this.
Take a bunch of large wood bolts, stuff your socks with them and put your feet in those socks. Make sure they're all around, under your feet, ankles, between toes, on top of your feet...
THEN put on high top shoes, make sure the laces are all good and tight.
Now, go pick up heavy stuff and load them all into a truck, all day long. Including stairs.
Well we're beginning the move. Joy. So why is it that I kick ass with all the work we had to do until the day before moving where suddenly I am at a period where I have a lot of trouble walking? PAIN! HURT! OWWIE!
I mean look at it like this. My feet ALWAYS hurt. I'm used to it. Right now is a time, though, where... well imagine it like this.
Take a bunch of large wood bolts, stuff your socks with them and put your feet in those socks. Make sure they're all around, under your feet, ankles, between toes, on top of your feet...
THEN put on high top shoes, make sure the laces are all good and tight.
Now, go pick up heavy stuff and load them all into a truck, all day long. Including stairs.
About friends before I move.
General | Posted 17 years agoYou know, one thing that gets me is how things like the pic I posted here tends to really show who your friends are.
Some friends got mad and left. I knew it was going to happen. A couple I knew would do it and a couple I didn't think would did. While a couple I thought would jump ship didn't.
I was talking with another good friend about friendship, people bailing on me because I don't like foxy boxing and if I could I'd wage all out war against it. (Especially since how some of the characters I have mentioned in the past have reached a NEW LOW of sickness!!)
People say they're my friends but they do not offer to help with things I need help with. They take a stance of "We'll cheer you on. I won't lift a finger to help you." while I reached out to them. The cheering is great, honestly, and the hope and prayer is fine. However, if a cripple is knocked off of his wheelchair and isn't strong enough to right themself... what would you do?
I know you're all not going to start praying for God to come down to the Earth, pick the guy up, put him in his chair, and everything would be fine. I know nobody would stand there saying "You can do it! You can get on there! I won't help you! But I'll be sure to give you all the vocal support I can!", no.
What would you do? If he's reaching out to you for help you'd take a moment to stick your hand out, pull him up, and put him in his chair. Feels good, doesn't it? Maybe instead of being the prayer doer YOU are the hand that God wants to pick the guy up? A couple of my friends know this.
What I needed help with was something most people couldn't do. It would take a lot longer than a moment. Still, I found myself surrounded by all this vocal support, then silence. Is it really love at all if the only love is hard nosed tough love?
Being a friend is more than telling them you have faith in them, and telling them you think they're wrong. What could have helped keep me from getting so bitter and mean is if people would have done friendly things. Things I have often done for them. Things many of them I HAVE done things for. Since so many of my friends have a "Because I can do it you can to" let me throw that right back in your face and watch as you don't do it.
If you see something cool that you think I'd like... show me. If something happens to you that may make me laugh, tell me. If you need help with something that I may know the answer to, ask me. Just don't stand there and say "Yer wrong. You have a completely wrong attitude." and think you're being the best possible friend there is. Positive things is what friends do for each other. Make friends smile. Help them through a tragedy. If they need you to hold their hand through rough times then for FUCKS SAKE BE A FRIEND AND DO IT! I would have for any one of those guys. I have for some of those guys. [edit] And I will do it for friends still. I held a certain silver pandas hand through hard times when he was down on himself and his art. Then when I was crying out for help... he spit in my hand and walked away. That isn't a friend.
You want to bust my balls, fuck you. You've been busting them all along and you no longer have the right to bust them any more.
I'm moving, and I'll be without net for a while. Good luck to the good people, and may the fleas of a million HIV infected camels infest the pubic hairs of the bad people.
Some friends got mad and left. I knew it was going to happen. A couple I knew would do it and a couple I didn't think would did. While a couple I thought would jump ship didn't.
I was talking with another good friend about friendship, people bailing on me because I don't like foxy boxing and if I could I'd wage all out war against it. (Especially since how some of the characters I have mentioned in the past have reached a NEW LOW of sickness!!)
People say they're my friends but they do not offer to help with things I need help with. They take a stance of "We'll cheer you on. I won't lift a finger to help you." while I reached out to them. The cheering is great, honestly, and the hope and prayer is fine. However, if a cripple is knocked off of his wheelchair and isn't strong enough to right themself... what would you do?
I know you're all not going to start praying for God to come down to the Earth, pick the guy up, put him in his chair, and everything would be fine. I know nobody would stand there saying "You can do it! You can get on there! I won't help you! But I'll be sure to give you all the vocal support I can!", no.
What would you do? If he's reaching out to you for help you'd take a moment to stick your hand out, pull him up, and put him in his chair. Feels good, doesn't it? Maybe instead of being the prayer doer YOU are the hand that God wants to pick the guy up? A couple of my friends know this.
What I needed help with was something most people couldn't do. It would take a lot longer than a moment. Still, I found myself surrounded by all this vocal support, then silence. Is it really love at all if the only love is hard nosed tough love?
Being a friend is more than telling them you have faith in them, and telling them you think they're wrong. What could have helped keep me from getting so bitter and mean is if people would have done friendly things. Things I have often done for them. Things many of them I HAVE done things for. Since so many of my friends have a "Because I can do it you can to" let me throw that right back in your face and watch as you don't do it.
If you see something cool that you think I'd like... show me. If something happens to you that may make me laugh, tell me. If you need help with something that I may know the answer to, ask me. Just don't stand there and say "Yer wrong. You have a completely wrong attitude." and think you're being the best possible friend there is. Positive things is what friends do for each other. Make friends smile. Help them through a tragedy. If they need you to hold their hand through rough times then for FUCKS SAKE BE A FRIEND AND DO IT! I would have for any one of those guys. I have for some of those guys. [edit] And I will do it for friends still. I held a certain silver pandas hand through hard times when he was down on himself and his art. Then when I was crying out for help... he spit in my hand and walked away. That isn't a friend.
You want to bust my balls, fuck you. You've been busting them all along and you no longer have the right to bust them any more.
I'm moving, and I'll be without net for a while. Good luck to the good people, and may the fleas of a million HIV infected camels infest the pubic hairs of the bad people.
The fire still burrrrrns
General | Posted 17 years agoI know a lot of people had hopes of getting this pic submitted helping me settle down a bit. Hoping it would ease the pain of getting my opinion out and on DA getting a lot of hits. If nothing else it stoked the fires inside. I get more angry.
Here's the story. You all know two things about me. I'm a mechanic and a fighter. The two traits that make this an issue with me is from the mechanic side. Something isn't right, it isn't as it should be. Therefore as a mechanic it is my duty to fix it. As a fighter throwing in the towel and giving up isn't something I do as easily as some would accuse.
That's part of why I wanted to get banned from here so badly. There will be no moving on, settling down, or any of that because as long as I am here and I go online and see artwork that bugs me so much I will be haunted. Fact is I'll be haunted and bugged until my final breath, and even well beyond that.
Thing is there isn't anything else I can do to support my cause. The view of the sport is broken. I want to fix it. I don't have the tools to fix it. So I have to suffer with it.
I come on, now and then, and search up boxing. I always see pics that just seem to grate on me. They always will. It will never go away and it is a fight I cannot win. I stand alone in this battle. No one will jump in and help. So, like this one, http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1511488/
So I wonder if my "Block and runner" is going to unblock me so they can yell at me then block me? For a fight fan they're sure spineless.
"I'm sick of all these people talkin' out their heads. I never understood a damn thing that they said. From words to actions never knowing what they're about. I guess I'll have to chew 'em up and spit them out. I say... I walked for miles inside this pit of danger. I've swallowed down a thousand years of anger. The weight of the world is fallin' on my shoulders. A place where no one follows me, I walk alone."
Here's the story. You all know two things about me. I'm a mechanic and a fighter. The two traits that make this an issue with me is from the mechanic side. Something isn't right, it isn't as it should be. Therefore as a mechanic it is my duty to fix it. As a fighter throwing in the towel and giving up isn't something I do as easily as some would accuse.
That's part of why I wanted to get banned from here so badly. There will be no moving on, settling down, or any of that because as long as I am here and I go online and see artwork that bugs me so much I will be haunted. Fact is I'll be haunted and bugged until my final breath, and even well beyond that.
Thing is there isn't anything else I can do to support my cause. The view of the sport is broken. I want to fix it. I don't have the tools to fix it. So I have to suffer with it.
I come on, now and then, and search up boxing. I always see pics that just seem to grate on me. They always will. It will never go away and it is a fight I cannot win. I stand alone in this battle. No one will jump in and help. So, like this one, http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1511488/
So I wonder if my "Block and runner" is going to unblock me so they can yell at me then block me? For a fight fan they're sure spineless.
"I'm sick of all these people talkin' out their heads. I never understood a damn thing that they said. From words to actions never knowing what they're about. I guess I'll have to chew 'em up and spit them out. I say... I walked for miles inside this pit of danger. I've swallowed down a thousand years of anger. The weight of the world is fallin' on my shoulders. A place where no one follows me, I walk alone."
Point made
General | Posted 17 years agoPosting that pic here did have a lot of lesson learning events. It helped me sort who I thought was a friend and who really was a friend. Some people reacted very well, while others didn't. I had one that I call a "Block and runner", someone who in the past had blocked me, for what I feel are unjust but still somewhat understandable reasons and unblocked me so they could comment just before blocking me again to prevent a reply from me. I'll have to look, but I think I blocked two people on Deviant Art because one was consistantly putting dozens of hate messages on my front page about how someone else was a bitch on my watch list, and the other was someone who was trolling more than I ever did. Sure, I like to start a fight once in a while if I feel provoked, but that kid was really taking it to extremes.
I was surprised that some artists that I thought I had ticked off not only agreed, they faved the pic, feeling that some of the angles foxy boxing likes to take advantage of is, to put it bluntly, fucking sick, sad, and wrong. More dishonorable than slipping date rape drugs sort of wrong. I had a nice convo with some artists who left this place because of the baby fur, the increase in VORE activity, and interest in rape.
At any rate, people who are not artists who I will ONLY refer to as my "heavy hitters" liked that I was trying to get my message out, they thought my method of using other's characters as victims was a bit low, so naturally the columnist who was going to publish a story about it all decided it wouldn't be worth the potential issues considering Green Legend and Laine were in there.
It also shows that my works, my visions, were all just not what the fandom wanted. A pic of Sierra by Shawntae Howard over the course of a week didn't get shit for hits. Yet I was getting more than 100 hits per day with the pic I posted here, over on Deviant Art. I got about four times as many hits here as I did with other pics. Why?
Green Legend and Laine were in it. It's really about the only variable I can think of. If someone can't stick thier dick in it they really don't care about it.
I pissed people off, and I knew I would. I found surprising support from others. It felt pretty good to get the message out there.
Still, I was all alone out there aside from Steve. It would have been so cool to have had others stand up and say "You know what, I think some of that is pretty sick shit, too." and keep the ball rolling. I had no expectation anything of the sort would happen. There is still that shred of hope that others would stand up and say "I agree!" if not throw some punches. Still, it feels all right to have gotten up there and stood for something I believe in, I made enemies, earned respect, and layed down what I consider law. I guess everyone else either doesn't agree with me or was too afraid to say anything. "They might get mad at me if I say I think some of that stuff is sick." sort of mentality.
Still, chasing away some friends like Tetsuo and others is my fault because I only gave good critisism. I didn't say anything bad on their journals or art pieces. I never said "I don't agree with this sort of thing" so in the end when enough anger and rage built up for me to choke slam my opinion on the subject down some throats. Had I made my other feelings come through eaelier perhaps I might not have had that much anger. The anger isn't gone. It hasn't simmered down. In some ways it's fueled even more now. I just have no more ways to get it out there.
I was surprised that some artists that I thought I had ticked off not only agreed, they faved the pic, feeling that some of the angles foxy boxing likes to take advantage of is, to put it bluntly, fucking sick, sad, and wrong. More dishonorable than slipping date rape drugs sort of wrong. I had a nice convo with some artists who left this place because of the baby fur, the increase in VORE activity, and interest in rape.
At any rate, people who are not artists who I will ONLY refer to as my "heavy hitters" liked that I was trying to get my message out, they thought my method of using other's characters as victims was a bit low, so naturally the columnist who was going to publish a story about it all decided it wouldn't be worth the potential issues considering Green Legend and Laine were in there.
It also shows that my works, my visions, were all just not what the fandom wanted. A pic of Sierra by Shawntae Howard over the course of a week didn't get shit for hits. Yet I was getting more than 100 hits per day with the pic I posted here, over on Deviant Art. I got about four times as many hits here as I did with other pics. Why?
Green Legend and Laine were in it. It's really about the only variable I can think of. If someone can't stick thier dick in it they really don't care about it.
I pissed people off, and I knew I would. I found surprising support from others. It felt pretty good to get the message out there.
Still, I was all alone out there aside from Steve. It would have been so cool to have had others stand up and say "You know what, I think some of that is pretty sick shit, too." and keep the ball rolling. I had no expectation anything of the sort would happen. There is still that shred of hope that others would stand up and say "I agree!" if not throw some punches. Still, it feels all right to have gotten up there and stood for something I believe in, I made enemies, earned respect, and layed down what I consider law. I guess everyone else either doesn't agree with me or was too afraid to say anything. "They might get mad at me if I say I think some of that stuff is sick." sort of mentality.
Still, chasing away some friends like Tetsuo and others is my fault because I only gave good critisism. I didn't say anything bad on their journals or art pieces. I never said "I don't agree with this sort of thing" so in the end when enough anger and rage built up for me to choke slam my opinion on the subject down some throats. Had I made my other feelings come through eaelier perhaps I might not have had that much anger. The anger isn't gone. It hasn't simmered down. In some ways it's fueled even more now. I just have no more ways to get it out there.
