Almost 5 years gone
Posted 5 years agoGoodness gracious, great googly moogly, i have been away for far too long
After the last year of being on reddit and exploring the depths of the interwebz, i have realized that miss the furry fandom and all things incuded (drama excluded)
I am happy to see most of my favorite artists and musicians are still on here, but still exploring.
I hope y'all are doing okay during the Quarantine and i hope some good art comes about from this time off
Much love and happy to be back :)
After the last year of being on reddit and exploring the depths of the interwebz, i have realized that miss the furry fandom and all things incuded (drama excluded)
I am happy to see most of my favorite artists and musicians are still on here, but still exploring.
I hope y'all are doing okay during the Quarantine and i hope some good art comes about from this time off
Much love and happy to be back :)
I'm Leaving FA (Not for attention)
Posted 10 years agoThis is not for attention, this is just because i haven't been on in a while and most of the people from here I'm friends with elsewhere!
I plan to shut down my page with in the next week, so...
I enjoyed my time here, and i made tons of new friends too
i hope every one has good life
I plan to shut down my page with in the next week, so...
I enjoyed my time here, and i made tons of new friends too
i hope every one has good life
I'm sure no one cares, but maybe somebody does
Posted 11 years agoI'm single again tonite!
i could really use a hug, like right now
i could really use a hug, like right now
Curious question, would appreciate input!
Posted 11 years agoSo my girlfriend and i have been dating for over 2 months. She has been sending me photos of herself: first one was in her bra, today she was nude but a shirt i left at her house covered the naughty parts.
I am really clueless sometimes, but i think she is dropping hints. I was wondering if other people agree?
Please tell me what you think
I am really clueless sometimes, but i think she is dropping hints. I was wondering if other people agree?
Please tell me what you think
Thinking About Moving Away
Posted 11 years agoI was pondering on my way home, about moving from New Mexico to somewhere else. Nothing is set in stone and it's only a thought, i may forget about it. I'm stuck in a rut and want to either change my career path, change myself, or change my current location. I don't know...
A question to my local ABQ friends, what are your thoughts?
To my non-ABQ watchers, where are some good places to live?
A question to my local ABQ friends, what are your thoughts?
To my non-ABQ watchers, where are some good places to live?
Thinking of leaving
Posted 11 years agoI feel as though FA is just not for me most days. I feel less furry everyday and frankly i getting bored with the porn that comes up here. Even the clean drawings are just boring to me.
If i don't check the website every few days, i have like 500 things waiting in my inbox.
If anybody cares, would love some insight one way or the other.
FYI: i'm not depressed, just downsizing
If i don't check the website every few days, i have like 500 things waiting in my inbox.
If anybody cares, would love some insight one way or the other.
FYI: i'm not depressed, just downsizing
A Summary of Vegas
Posted 12 years ago*We walked until out feet were about to fall off, which later lead us to figuring out the bus system.
*Monday night we saw Carrot Top and that was funny as hell. "DELTA: Don't Expect Luggage To Arrive!"
*Tuesday we went to the famous Heart Attack Grill and walked around freemont street! That night we saw Cirque Du Soliel's "KA". I highly encourage everyone to see this show. The story line is impossible to explain (mainly because i didn't understand it) but great music, great acrobatics, and the stage was an engineering wonder! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT9CXr2o5ME
*Wednesday we went to Las Vegas Mob Experience. That was a bunch of fun. That night we saw the Australian Bee Gees: a tribute to the Bee Gees. Great tribute and really nice guys; I got to meet them after the show
* Thursday i hung around the hotel while the parents went partying on Freemont!!!
That's about it, pics are coming!!!!
*Monday night we saw Carrot Top and that was funny as hell. "DELTA: Don't Expect Luggage To Arrive!"
*Tuesday we went to the famous Heart Attack Grill and walked around freemont street! That night we saw Cirque Du Soliel's "KA". I highly encourage everyone to see this show. The story line is impossible to explain (mainly because i didn't understand it) but great music, great acrobatics, and the stage was an engineering wonder! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT9CXr2o5ME
*Wednesday we went to Las Vegas Mob Experience. That was a bunch of fun. That night we saw the Australian Bee Gees: a tribute to the Bee Gees. Great tribute and really nice guys; I got to meet them after the show
* Thursday i hung around the hotel while the parents went partying on Freemont!!!
That's about it, pics are coming!!!!
Love the New Job!!!
Posted 12 years ago'nuff said. My new job is pretty easy. The customers have been very patient and kind, being that today is my first day.
I'm already a thousand% happier than i was at my last job. The only thing i hate about the new job is there is A LOT of down time. trying to find something to do is driving me nuts!
I'm already a thousand% happier than i was at my last job. The only thing i hate about the new job is there is A LOT of down time. trying to find something to do is driving me nuts!
A fur needs a kidney!!!!
Posted 12 years agothe long and skinny of it is:
A negative or O negative blood
General regulations say that you must be at least 18, and no older than 70, and be in excellent health.
Donor recovery time is expected to be about a month, but can generally go back to work in 2-3 weeks, depending on their job.
located in sunny Florida.
check it out: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:35584571
A negative or O negative blood
General regulations say that you must be at least 18, and no older than 70, and be in excellent health.
Donor recovery time is expected to be about a month, but can generally go back to work in 2-3 weeks, depending on their job.
located in sunny Florida.
check it out: http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/...../#cid:35584571
SO AWESOME!!!
Posted 12 years agoI just bought my ticket to see Blue October (in October XD) but i also bought a Meet&Greet pass as well. I was so excited when I had both tickets in my hand (ticket to show and M&G). That day is gonna be awesome.
I would love to know if anybody else here is gonna go to the show on October 16th!
I would love to know if anybody else here is gonna go to the show on October 16th!
Musiquestria
Posted 12 years agomusiquestria.tumblr.com/
It was awesome. Brony musicians and DJs, tearing up a small hotel conference room. I got some great music CDs out of it and got to meet the performers!
Also got to hang out with an old friend from high school!
It was a good time!!!
It was awesome. Brony musicians and DJs, tearing up a small hotel conference room. I got some great music CDs out of it and got to meet the performers!
Also got to hang out with an old friend from high school!
It was a good time!!!
A Thought
Posted 12 years agoIt's amazing when you give somebody a second chance and they fuck up again.
I'll spare you the details (whether you care or not) but basically i gave somebody a second chance and they stiffed me...again! At least this time, I was kind of prepared for it.
That's my rant for tonight, I have to shovel rock tomorrow and Monday so i should go to sleep. I love you all and wish everyone a goodnight or good morning (depending on your time zone)
I'll spare you the details (whether you care or not) but basically i gave somebody a second chance and they stiffed me...again! At least this time, I was kind of prepared for it.
That's my rant for tonight, I have to shovel rock tomorrow and Monday so i should go to sleep. I love you all and wish everyone a goodnight or good morning (depending on your time zone)
Free YCH
Posted 12 years ago
DO IT DO IT NOW!!!
So I Was Wrong
Posted 12 years agoI've been fucked over by 2 people in a row now! I'm close to being done with love if people will continue to treat me like this!!!
Life rocks right now!!!
Posted 12 years agoI've got great friends, no matter how perverted they may be, but more than that. I've got a date on Tuesday and by Wednesday i could have a boyfriend; it just all depends. We've been texting back and forth and everything is going swimmingly!
Life rocks right now, no complaints yet!!!
Life rocks right now, no complaints yet!!!
Win a Foursome!!! you know you wanna!!!
Posted 12 years agoI Feel Like...No Love
Posted 12 years agoI work very hard on my written works and get like, no favorites. I'm sure people are reading them (at least i hope they are). As a writer, i enjoy when people like my work.
If you like it, favorite it!!!
If you don't like it, tell me why!!!
I just, nyah, i want favorites on my work, it tells me people like them. I will still do them for my own sake, but what's the point of posting them is no one cares????
If you like it, favorite it!!!
If you don't like it, tell me why!!!
I just, nyah, i want favorites on my work, it tells me people like them. I will still do them for my own sake, but what's the point of posting them is no one cares????
Freaking out over the future
Posted 12 years agoSo, i met with a UNM advisor today and i was clued in to what i need to take to get my teaching degree.
*It's gonna cost a lot of money
*it's gonna be a lot of work...but i know i can do it and i know i have people believing in me!!!
FOR GOD'S SAKE, SOMEONE BELIEVE IN ME!!!!!!!!!!
*It's gonna cost a lot of money
*it's gonna be a lot of work...but i know i can do it and i know i have people believing in me!!!
FOR GOD'S SAKE, SOMEONE BELIEVE IN ME!!!!!!!!!!
Movie Meme
Posted 12 years agoMSN's 2013 Spring Movie Guide: The 100 Best Movies of All Time
Bold the ones you've seen.
1. The Wizard of Oz
2. North By Northwest
3. The Fellowship of the Ring
4. It's a Wonderful Life
5. Annie Hall
6. The Shawshank Redemption
7. The Graduate
8. Nashville
9. Lawrence of Arabia
10. The Searchers
11. Dr. Strangelove or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
12. Star Wars — The Empire Strikes Back
13. Raiders of the Lost Ark
14. This Is Spinal Tap
15. To Kill a Mockingbird
16. Airplane!
17. Jaws
18. Vertigo
19. Singin' in the Rain
20. Once Upon a Time in the West
21. The Breakfast Club
22. 2001: A Space Odyssey
23. The Sound of Music
24. Blade Runner
25. Brazil
26. A Hard Day's Night
27. Rio Bravo
28. Love, Actually
29. Bringing Up Baby
30. Chinatown
31. The Princess Bride
32. The Incredibles
33. Aliens
34. When Harry Met Sally
35. Planet of the Apes (1968)
36. Only Angels Have Wings
37. Casablanca
38. Citizen Kane
39. Sunrise
40. Blazing Saddles
41. Monty Python's Life of Brian
42. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
43. Sunset Boulevard
44. Star Wars: Ep. IV
45. The Godfather
46. Trouble in Paradise
47. The Big Lebowski
48. Terms of Endearment
49. Forest Gump
50. It Happened One Night
51. The Apartment
52. Dazed and Confused
53. McCabe and Mrs. Miller
54. Apocalypse Now
55. Repulsion
56. Miller's Crossing
57. Dirty Dancing
58. Silence of the Lambs
59. Die Hard
60. Blue Velvet
61. The Adventures of Robin Hood
62. Broadcast News
63. Touch of Evil
64. WALL-E
65. Grease
66. Pulp Fiction
67. Playtime
68. Psycho
69. A Fish Called Wanda
70. Say Anything
71. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
72. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
73. Moulin Rouge
74. Clueless
75. A Clockwork Orange
76. Back to the Future
77. Stagecoach
78. Crimes and Misdemeanors
79. Some Like it Hot
80. Rear Window
81. Schindler's List
82. Excalibur
83. West Side Story
84. Badlands
85. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
86. Taxi Driver
87. La Dolce Vita
88. Two-Lane Blacktop
89. Star Trek (2009)
90. My Neighbor Totoro
91. Goodfellas
92. Gladiator
93. All About Eve
94. Tootsie
95. Slap Shot
96. Donnie Darko
97. Fight Club
98. The Earrings of Madame de . . .
99. Seven Samurai
100. Young Frankenstein
Bold the ones you've seen.
1. The Wizard of Oz
2. North By Northwest
3. The Fellowship of the Ring
4. It's a Wonderful Life
5. Annie Hall
6. The Shawshank Redemption
7. The Graduate
8. Nashville
9. Lawrence of Arabia
10. The Searchers
11. Dr. Strangelove or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb
12. Star Wars — The Empire Strikes Back
13. Raiders of the Lost Ark
14. This Is Spinal Tap
15. To Kill a Mockingbird
16. Airplane!
17. Jaws
18. Vertigo
19. Singin' in the Rain
20. Once Upon a Time in the West
21. The Breakfast Club
22. 2001: A Space Odyssey
23. The Sound of Music
24. Blade Runner
25. Brazil
26. A Hard Day's Night
27. Rio Bravo
28. Love, Actually
29. Bringing Up Baby
30. Chinatown
31. The Princess Bride
32. The Incredibles
33. Aliens
34. When Harry Met Sally
35. Planet of the Apes (1968)
36. Only Angels Have Wings
37. Casablanca
38. Citizen Kane
39. Sunrise
40. Blazing Saddles
41. Monty Python's Life of Brian
42. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
43. Sunset Boulevard
44. Star Wars: Ep. IV
45. The Godfather
46. Trouble in Paradise
47. The Big Lebowski
48. Terms of Endearment
49. Forest Gump
50. It Happened One Night
51. The Apartment
52. Dazed and Confused
53. McCabe and Mrs. Miller
54. Apocalypse Now
55. Repulsion
56. Miller's Crossing
57. Dirty Dancing
58. Silence of the Lambs
59. Die Hard
60. Blue Velvet
61. The Adventures of Robin Hood
62. Broadcast News
63. Touch of Evil
64. WALL-E
65. Grease
66. Pulp Fiction
67. Playtime
68. Psycho
69. A Fish Called Wanda
70. Say Anything
71. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
72. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
73. Moulin Rouge
74. Clueless
75. A Clockwork Orange
76. Back to the Future
77. Stagecoach
78. Crimes and Misdemeanors
79. Some Like it Hot
80. Rear Window
81. Schindler's List
82. Excalibur
83. West Side Story
84. Badlands
85. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
86. Taxi Driver
87. La Dolce Vita
88. Two-Lane Blacktop
89. Star Trek (2009)
90. My Neighbor Totoro
91. Goodfellas
92. Gladiator
93. All About Eve
94. Tootsie
95. Slap Shot
96. Donnie Darko
97. Fight Club
98. The Earrings of Madame de . . .
99. Seven Samurai
100. Young Frankenstein
Wisdom Teeth
Posted 12 years agoSo this morning i got my wisdom teeth pulled out. I got put under by IV sedation and within seconds i was out! I got home, fell asleep for 4 hours and now i am up (for how long i have no idea), with gauze in my mouth, drooling worse than my dog, and in pain. In summary: I FEEL SEXY!!! xp
My spring break is gone so i can recover from this. If anybody is free and wants to come and give me a hug, it would be greatly appreciated.
Also, any advice would also be appreciated.
My spring break is gone so i can recover from this. If anybody is free and wants to come and give me a hug, it would be greatly appreciated.
Also, any advice would also be appreciated.
Was feeling one way, not no more!!!
Posted 12 years agoFor the last few weeks, i have been feeling very left out. IDK why, but i just have. My friend is constantly sucking face with his girlfriend and never has any time to hang out. My other friends are just like....meh so i have had like no drive to interact with others.
Then today, my friends Carissa and Kirsten from college were just being completely random and pervy (what else is new?) and decided to DERP around hobby lobby. Then we moved into lunch and we just chatted for like an hour about whatever!!! I came home with the biggest shit-eating grin upon my face from just having a great day.
I was feeling left out, but i was reminded today that i was being dumb and i have awesome friends that care.
Then today, my friends Carissa and Kirsten from college were just being completely random and pervy (what else is new?) and decided to DERP around hobby lobby. Then we moved into lunch and we just chatted for like an hour about whatever!!! I came home with the biggest shit-eating grin upon my face from just having a great day.
I was feeling left out, but i was reminded today that i was being dumb and i have awesome friends that care.
VALENTINES DAY REQUEST EVILTOON
Posted 12 years agoIt's been a while and a Meme
Posted 12 years agoI was looking at my journal and it has been several months since I posted anything. I have nothing to report. No pets died, no family died, not even a show cancellation.
I think the only thing worth talking about is the change in my academic path that I chose. I am close to finishing my English Associates and then I will move over to the University to get an Elementary Teaching Degree. I'm gonna teach little kids to run mazes and do my bidding (you think I'm kidding). I’m very fond of that choice and I hope it all goes well.
Valentine’s Day is tomorrow and I have drawn NOTHING!!! No good reason just didn’t do it this year. maybe next year or maybe tomorrow! (Not bloody likely, but anything can happen)
That’s pretty much it, y’all! If something comes up, you’ll be informed.
I love you all and a wonderful day tomorrow and always!!!
Also, here's a Valentine's Day meme:
1. Are you single or taken?
Single
2. Chocolate or flowers?
Chocolate
3. Will you do anything special for Valentines Day?
eat everything i am given (if given anything edible), go walk my dog, then cook dinner
4. Do you like anyone?
Oh yeah
5. Were you dating anyone last Valentines?
Yep, it was the worst Valentine's day EVER
6. Who do you want to spend Valentines with?
Friends and lovers alike
7. Do you make a big deal about Valentines?
I like to get my friends things, i make it a priority
8. Have you ever had a secret admirer?
Not that i know of
9. Would you ever write someone a love letter?
I have, i love doing these
10. Do you believe in Cupid?
It's a cute concept and a nice story, but not a whole of backing
11. Do your parents give you presents on Valentines?
Sometimes. Usually a box of chocolates, sometimes a little card
12. Do you still send out Valentine cards?
You bet
13. Do you like candy hearts?
Sometimes! the last box i had, they were harder than the SAT
14. What is something you got last Valentines?
Chocolate, a little flower, little stuff like that
15. Is Valentines depressing?
Sometimes, i am not gonna be a sad sack this year...consorant
16. How is your love life?
On the hunt
17. Have you ever been dumped on Valentines?
No.
18. How many roses would you want to receive?
NONE, THEY ALL DIE IN MY HANDS
19. Will you have a girlfriend/boyfriend this Valentines day?
Nope
20. Do you look forward to Valentines day?
yes and no
21. Who was your last Valentine from?
dunno
22. Who do you expect to get a Valentine from this year?
Friends
23. Who would you most like to receive a Valentine from?
The girl i am interested in
24. How many Valentines will you be sending this year?
OVER 9,000
25. Have you ever not received a Valentine?
Nope
26. What was the most Valentines you received in a single day?
no...i...dea
27. Have you ever received an anonymous Valentine?
Nope
28. Have you ever sent an anonymous Valentine?
No.
29. Will you be sending an anonymous Valentine this year?
No.
30. What was the best Valentine gift you ever received?
big bear
31. What was the worst?
Every gift is a good gift.
32. Have you ever started dating someone on Valentines day?
Nope.
I think the only thing worth talking about is the change in my academic path that I chose. I am close to finishing my English Associates and then I will move over to the University to get an Elementary Teaching Degree. I'm gonna teach little kids to run mazes and do my bidding (you think I'm kidding). I’m very fond of that choice and I hope it all goes well.
Valentine’s Day is tomorrow and I have drawn NOTHING!!! No good reason just didn’t do it this year. maybe next year or maybe tomorrow! (Not bloody likely, but anything can happen)
That’s pretty much it, y’all! If something comes up, you’ll be informed.
I love you all and a wonderful day tomorrow and always!!!
Also, here's a Valentine's Day meme:
1. Are you single or taken?
Single
2. Chocolate or flowers?
Chocolate
3. Will you do anything special for Valentines Day?
eat everything i am given (if given anything edible), go walk my dog, then cook dinner
4. Do you like anyone?
Oh yeah
5. Were you dating anyone last Valentines?
Yep, it was the worst Valentine's day EVER
6. Who do you want to spend Valentines with?
Friends and lovers alike
7. Do you make a big deal about Valentines?
I like to get my friends things, i make it a priority
8. Have you ever had a secret admirer?
Not that i know of
9. Would you ever write someone a love letter?
I have, i love doing these
10. Do you believe in Cupid?
It's a cute concept and a nice story, but not a whole of backing
11. Do your parents give you presents on Valentines?
Sometimes. Usually a box of chocolates, sometimes a little card
12. Do you still send out Valentine cards?
You bet
13. Do you like candy hearts?
Sometimes! the last box i had, they were harder than the SAT
14. What is something you got last Valentines?
Chocolate, a little flower, little stuff like that
15. Is Valentines depressing?
Sometimes, i am not gonna be a sad sack this year...consorant
16. How is your love life?
On the hunt
17. Have you ever been dumped on Valentines?
No.
18. How many roses would you want to receive?
NONE, THEY ALL DIE IN MY HANDS
19. Will you have a girlfriend/boyfriend this Valentines day?
Nope
20. Do you look forward to Valentines day?
yes and no
21. Who was your last Valentine from?
dunno
22. Who do you expect to get a Valentine from this year?
Friends
23. Who would you most like to receive a Valentine from?
The girl i am interested in
24. How many Valentines will you be sending this year?
OVER 9,000
25. Have you ever not received a Valentine?
Nope
26. What was the most Valentines you received in a single day?
no...i...dea
27. Have you ever received an anonymous Valentine?
Nope
28. Have you ever sent an anonymous Valentine?
No.
29. Will you be sending an anonymous Valentine this year?
No.
30. What was the best Valentine gift you ever received?
big bear
31. What was the worst?
Every gift is a good gift.
32. Have you ever started dating someone on Valentines day?
Nope.
Would you...? meme
Posted 13 years agoBe honest, i can take it!
WOULD YOU....
[_] Lock me in your room and take advantage of me?
[_] kiss my cheek?
[_] miss me if we went out then broke up?
[_] dance with me?
[_] let me make you breakfast?
[_] tap me on the a**?
[_] help me with homework?
[_] tickle me to death?
[_] let me fondle you?
[_] stick up for me if I was being put down?
[_] caress my body?
[_] play strip Bingo with me?
[_] say yes if I asked you to give me a massage?
[_] let me wear your pants?
[_] get wasted with me?
[_] instant message me?
[_] greet me in public?
[_] hang out with me?
[_] bring me around your friends?
DO YOU...
[_] think I'm cute?
[_] think I'm hot?
[_] want to kiss me?
[_] want to cuddle with me?
[_] want to fool around with me?
ARE WE...
[_] acquaintances?
[_] friends?
[_] in a relationship?
DO YOU THINK I AM...
[_] smart?
[_] cute?
[_] funny?
[_] cool?
[_] lovable?
[_] sexy?
[_] compassionate?
[_] annoying?
[_] great to be with?
[_] too quiet?
[_] mean?
[_] odd?
HAVE YOU EVER...
[_] thought about me?
[_] thought about me while with another?
[_] thought about hookin' up with me?
[_] found yourself wanting a touch from me?
[_] wished I were there?
[_] grabbed me?
[_] had a crush on me?
[_] wished I was in an open relationship?
[_] wanted my number?
[_] had a dream about me?
[_] been distracted by me?
ARE YOU...
[_] happy you know me?
[_] confused by me?
[_] thinkin' bout me?
[_] going to repost this in your journal so that I can return the favor?
WOULD YOU....
[_] Lock me in your room and take advantage of me?
[_] kiss my cheek?
[_] miss me if we went out then broke up?
[_] dance with me?
[_] let me make you breakfast?
[_] tap me on the a**?
[_] help me with homework?
[_] tickle me to death?
[_] let me fondle you?
[_] stick up for me if I was being put down?
[_] caress my body?
[_] play strip Bingo with me?
[_] say yes if I asked you to give me a massage?
[_] let me wear your pants?
[_] get wasted with me?
[_] instant message me?
[_] greet me in public?
[_] hang out with me?
[_] bring me around your friends?
DO YOU...
[_] think I'm cute?
[_] think I'm hot?
[_] want to kiss me?
[_] want to cuddle with me?
[_] want to fool around with me?
ARE WE...
[_] acquaintances?
[_] friends?
[_] in a relationship?
DO YOU THINK I AM...
[_] smart?
[_] cute?
[_] funny?
[_] cool?
[_] lovable?
[_] sexy?
[_] compassionate?
[_] annoying?
[_] great to be with?
[_] too quiet?
[_] mean?
[_] odd?
HAVE YOU EVER...
[_] thought about me?
[_] thought about me while with another?
[_] thought about hookin' up with me?
[_] found yourself wanting a touch from me?
[_] wished I were there?
[_] grabbed me?
[_] had a crush on me?
[_] wished I was in an open relationship?
[_] wanted my number?
[_] had a dream about me?
[_] been distracted by me?
ARE YOU...
[_] happy you know me?
[_] confused by me?
[_] thinkin' bout me?
[_] going to repost this in your journal so that I can return the favor?
A Chance for Voice Actors
Posted 13 years agohttps://www.furaffinity.net/journal...../#cid:30958728
Go check it out, there is chance for free gifts for auctioneers i think. Any who, at a minimum anyone who is a voice actor can go check it out and give it a try!
Go check it out, there is chance for free gifts for auctioneers i think. Any who, at a minimum anyone who is a voice actor can go check it out and give it a try!