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Comish - I will Carry you Through the Night
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Soft-shaded comish for
Shereth of Shereth being carried by Byzil, also 
Byzil .
Soft shading? Yes, indeed! Shereth gave me the option of either doing that or gradient shading, and I've been wanting to do some soft shading...so I decided on that to give myself a challenge.
Please be nice on the shading - it's been...over a year, methinks, since I've done legit soft-shading, i.e; no gradients or cell blocks anywhere. Overall though, I'm pleased with how it turned out.
Simple background is simple on purpose. We specifically decided on a not-complex background, so nobody say anything about it being simple so help me God.
Commissions are still open~
Thanks Shereth! Hope you both like!
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Soft-shaded comish for
Shereth of Shereth being carried by Byzil, also 
Byzil .Soft shading? Yes, indeed! Shereth gave me the option of either doing that or gradient shading, and I've been wanting to do some soft shading...so I decided on that to give myself a challenge.
Please be nice on the shading - it's been...over a year, methinks, since I've done legit soft-shading, i.e; no gradients or cell blocks anywhere. Overall though, I'm pleased with how it turned out.
Simple background is simple on purpose. We specifically decided on a not-complex background, so nobody say anything about it being simple so help me God.
Commissions are still open~
Thanks Shereth! Hope you both like!
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Category Artwork (Digital) / General Furry Art
Species Western Dragon
Size 1280 x 562px
File Size 53.6 kB
Listed in Folders
TwilightSaint really does rule when it comes to drawing dragons, especially ones in flight.
A lot of pictures I see of dragons like this tend to have smaller wings, which would technically make flight impossible for them. Also, wings this big make for such epic pictures!
I totally agree on the shading too. Soft shading really does make this picture nice.
A lot of pictures I see of dragons like this tend to have smaller wings, which would technically make flight impossible for them. Also, wings this big make for such epic pictures!
I totally agree on the shading too. Soft shading really does make this picture nice.
True, but it really doesn't matter to much since dragons are Fantacy creatures.
The size of the wings in this picture fits with what I concider a good physiology for dragons.
Hollow, light weight bones like birds.
Very flexible wing joints allowing for fast, fluid wing movement.
And finally, a hydrogen bladder which acts as a flight aid since it is lighter than air.
I see what you mean, but larger wings seem much more plauseable to me.
Obviously there is such a thing as wings that are to big.
The size of the wings in this picture fits with what I concider a good physiology for dragons.
Hollow, light weight bones like birds.
Very flexible wing joints allowing for fast, fluid wing movement.
And finally, a hydrogen bladder which acts as a flight aid since it is lighter than air.
I see what you mean, but larger wings seem much more plauseable to me.
Obviously there is such a thing as wings that are to big.
It doesn't matter, and it does XD - I try to draw my dragons as believable as I can. Note I said as 'best I can,' not 'as possible,' since everyone has different opinions on dragons and fantasy critters and all that. But that's everywhere. :P I think most of it depends on the artist's style, the creatures they're depicting, and so forth...
I originally had the wings in the sketch for this larger, but I've been making myself downsize them a bit with each sketch I do. ^^ I also generally tend to think of my dragons as soaring creatures with the big, huge wings, like the big soaring birds of prey. But Napalm is right - there is a limit to the muscle and weight you can pack in there. Like I said in my comment to you earlier, bigger wings means bigger wing muscles which means bigger chest muscles which means bigger wings... Just gotta find that sweet spot! ^^
(But I roll more towards bigger wings because I'm a derp sometimes, haha. ;D )
I originally had the wings in the sketch for this larger, but I've been making myself downsize them a bit with each sketch I do. ^^ I also generally tend to think of my dragons as soaring creatures with the big, huge wings, like the big soaring birds of prey. But Napalm is right - there is a limit to the muscle and weight you can pack in there. Like I said in my comment to you earlier, bigger wings means bigger wing muscles which means bigger chest muscles which means bigger wings... Just gotta find that sweet spot! ^^
(But I roll more towards bigger wings because I'm a derp sometimes, haha. ;D )
Yes, it is fantasy(which is the most overused argument against learning proper anatomy in this genre. Sorry to be blunt, but it's true), but by that standard the argument for larger wings is also pointless. The rest of your comment does make sense, though there are some things you're forgetting.
These are leather wings, drawn to look pretty thick which will make them a lot heavier than feather wings and more able to "wrap around" the air. So they would have to carry the dragon's body weight and work with air resistance as well as the overly large extra weight from the wings. And another thing is the very long bones getting in the way when the wings are folded. They would be impractical both in flight and while walking.
These are leather wings, drawn to look pretty thick which will make them a lot heavier than feather wings and more able to "wrap around" the air. So they would have to carry the dragon's body weight and work with air resistance as well as the overly large extra weight from the wings. And another thing is the very long bones getting in the way when the wings are folded. They would be impractical both in flight and while walking.
That might be so, but they're still highly impractical. Only a small portion of the wings carry the body here, while the rest is attached to the tail. Like this, every single stroke would cause the tail to be pulled upwards, making it both uncomfortable and difficult to keep the balance for the dragon.
And like I told Shinsetsu, the bones are so long they would make the wings terrible to keep folded while walking.
Once again I recommend you go and look at real wings. Swans, cranes, eagles and geese are all big and heavy birds, and the same goes for the size of the flying fox. They have big wings, which they surely need, but none of them have gigantic wings like this dragon. They have to be proportionate and shaped right to be practical in any way.
And like I told Shinsetsu, the bones are so long they would make the wings terrible to keep folded while walking.
Once again I recommend you go and look at real wings. Swans, cranes, eagles and geese are all big and heavy birds, and the same goes for the size of the flying fox. They have big wings, which they surely need, but none of them have gigantic wings like this dragon. They have to be proportionate and shaped right to be practical in any way.
Thanks so much! ^^ I've been meaning to make a basic wing tutorial for a while, but until then... I guess my advice would be to make it enough like an arm to fit in all the muscles, and also large enough to carry the dragon, at least in the membrane area. I've actually been working on sizing down my wings, lol. But in order to carry bigger wings, the dragon would need bigger wing arm muscles, which would make it need bigger chest muscles, which would make it need bigger wing coverage...and so forth.
I hope that makes sense. XD
I hope that makes sense. XD
Okay, I have to... from an aerospace engineering point of view (and yes... I have a degree in that), the necessary wingspan would be half again the length of the body, on average. Stated another way, that's the length of the body, plus half that length added again to establish the average wingspan.
Hollow bones, the age-old theory of lighter-than air gases, which are also the source of a dragon's fiery breath, or whatever else have you, my point is that from an engineering point of view, wings larger than the body's length is all but required.
Hollow bones, the age-old theory of lighter-than air gases, which are also the source of a dragon's fiery breath, or whatever else have you, my point is that from an engineering point of view, wings larger than the body's length is all but required.
Okay, awesome, thanks for pointing that out! And you're talking about the body from like the head to the hips, ya? Not including the tail? I was saying in my example that I've seen dragons with wings not even the length of the body from head to hip. :0 There's no way 'mini' wings like that would suspend a large creature, not to mention the tail weight and drag. But I digress. :P
I always think of my dragons as solid critters with solid bones - I've never thought of 'flight bladders' or anything like that, hence why my focus is on the size of the wings and the muscles. X)
I always think of my dragons as solid critters with solid bones - I've never thought of 'flight bladders' or anything like that, hence why my focus is on the size of the wings and the muscles. X)
That's a rather tough question with the length of the tail being included, as the length of the tail can vary so greatly, though there are also dragons with rather long necks as well, both of which actually need to be taken into account for any given dragon to determine the wingspan. An exceptionally long tail (or neck) would affect it, but for average lengths of tail and neck (that is a tail that's roughly the same length as the body from head to tail-base, and a neck that's half that length or so) the wingspan would be half again the length of the both from head to tail-base.
Suffice it to say, from an engineering standpoint, I find the wingspan you've depicted in the image above to be, in a word, perfect!
Zhai'helleva,
~Skywise
Suffice it to say, from an engineering standpoint, I find the wingspan you've depicted in the image above to be, in a word, perfect!
Zhai'helleva,
~Skywise
That's an awesome way of looking at it - thanks for your input! I was curious and was just looking at some pics of birds and noticed what you mentioned, the wings are about 1.5x the length of the body to the base of the tail. I am definitely going to keep those proportions in mind for future pieces!
Hey, glad to help, particularly by providing my engineering input!
And yes, there are aspects of man-made craft that fly (from planes and gliders to the [former] space shuttle orbiters) that have their basis in studies of avian wings. The equations that govern airflow over a wing, that is... Havens, do I not want to remember those.
There was a time (at the height of my Aerospace Engineering classes) that I could actually do 3-dimensional calculus... in my head. Looking back... havens, that hurt.
And yes, there are aspects of man-made craft that fly (from planes and gliders to the [former] space shuttle orbiters) that have their basis in studies of avian wings. The equations that govern airflow over a wing, that is... Havens, do I not want to remember those.
There was a time (at the height of my Aerospace Engineering classes) that I could actually do 3-dimensional calculus... in my head. Looking back... havens, that hurt.
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