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Before any would think that the the star destroyer should be firing at the bottom of the picture, on the fed ship, think on it once more. If the Excelsior is so close to to "viewer's" ship it would be risky to fire. Because it will be some friendly fire for sure if it misses, and that excelsior is an agile vessel. So instead the other Sd is just picking out some asteroids on it flight curse, waiting to get a clear shoot, and also taking position to block the way back to the asteroid field. Poor fighters they are sure gonna get burned.
The excelsior is mostly costume ship from what I think is cool for me. Inspired by Star trek online mostly, and I think it clear by now from my gallery that I love this ship a lot.
I guess i could have added some more effects, but again I think I spent way enough time on this picture, so better to finish it now, and to polish it any further with long long hours.
I planed this to be my wallpaper image, tough not full HD becouse I don't have such a monitor, but close to it.
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The excelsior is mostly costume ship from what I think is cool for me. Inspired by Star trek online mostly, and I think it clear by now from my gallery that I love this ship a lot.
I guess i could have added some more effects, but again I think I spent way enough time on this picture, so better to finish it now, and to polish it any further with long long hours.
I planed this to be my wallpaper image, tough not full HD becouse I don't have such a monitor, but close to it.
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Absolutely stunning. Excelsior Class may not be my personal favorite, but they're a damn fine design with a style and elegance befitting of Starfleet. At the risk of starting a Trek VS Wars debate (UGH) one of the things illustrated here reminds me of a conversation with a friend, regarding weapons in those respective universes. We always felt that in the end, Starfleet weapons would prove more accurate than Rebel/Imperial weapons. It's a cool shot to see the phasers striking with that anticipated precision. Lastly, I am loving just looking over this, savoring all the details you put into this. Well done!
It wasn't until watching movies in the Age of Sail it finally made sense. Star Destroyers are like Ships of the Line - many cannons, a detachment of Marines (stormtroopers), some landing craft. We just don't see them run full broadsides, the Empire gives the gunners long leashes as if "Fire at Will" was a standing order.
Starfleet takes the opposite approach: scientifically scan the target, calculate the exact amount of energy to destroy it, plug that into the ship's computer for optimal firing solution and only THEN act. Like a martial arts master who blocks and feints for a while before making a killing strike.
Starfleet takes the opposite approach: scientifically scan the target, calculate the exact amount of energy to destroy it, plug that into the ship's computer for optimal firing solution and only THEN act. Like a martial arts master who blocks and feints for a while before making a killing strike.
I would even go a bit further. Star Wars ships are like aircraft carrier warships, they are massive and although they could deliver big punches by themselves, the main work fall onto the airpower, aka the Ties and Xwings they carry. Star Trek ships o.t.o.h. are more like submarines, they rely on precise hits, stealth and hit-and-run action (Movie nr.2 was a good example for that). It even goes this far that the attack which delivers most damage usually is the torpedo (photonic, photon, quantum, younameit)
It depends on the ship you use, in Star Wars even a 1-Seat Starfighter can be very dangerous. Taking the B-Wing Starfighter (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/B-wing_starfighter) for example, has weapons that are able to be exchanged and made fit for the pilots tastes. accurately armed has this small vessel the firepower of a small corvette.
K-Wing bombers are of epicness. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BTL-.....lt_starfighter It would make mincemeat of smaller imperial warships.
Well the accuracy of the weapons in Star Wars depends on the types you use, there are heavy artillery weapons like Turbolasers, weapons that cause extremely high damage and are used for ship-to-ship combat as well as for planetary bombardments or long range strikes against Capitolships and Space Stations. Nex to that exists several kind of smaller energy weapons and so called point-defense laser weapons. Those appear to work the same way like phaser weapons in the star trek universe, a continued beam of energy hits a specific point for some time. But there are also projectile like weapons like Proton Torpedos, different types of missiles, bombs and so called Mass Driver Cannons, these cannons fire energized projectiles that are able to penetrate shield systems.
Another nasty weapon is the so called Ion Cannon, it is able to take out shields and deactivate energy systems of ships temporarely. (I wonder what happens when a Borg Cubus gets hit by a volley of ion cannons)
Most of these weapons are rarely shown. As for the ships themselves, the Cruisers in Star Wars, especially large Capitol Ships are slow and definitly less agile then most of the ships in Star Trek, that is for sure.
I am just not fond of the physical strengh of weapons in the Star Trek Universe, nor do I know how the shields would react on Turbolaser fire, so saying that either side would be superior is kinda off topic for me.
Another nasty weapon is the so called Ion Cannon, it is able to take out shields and deactivate energy systems of ships temporarely. (I wonder what happens when a Borg Cubus gets hit by a volley of ion cannons)
Most of these weapons are rarely shown. As for the ships themselves, the Cruisers in Star Wars, especially large Capitol Ships are slow and definitly less agile then most of the ships in Star Trek, that is for sure.
I am just not fond of the physical strengh of weapons in the Star Trek Universe, nor do I know how the shields would react on Turbolaser fire, so saying that either side would be superior is kinda off topic for me.
Here you can see how a ion cannons strikes against a Stardestroyer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN8YIR60Ij0
.... and how inaccurate regular laser cannons in Star Wars can be x3
.... and how inaccurate regular laser cannons in Star Wars can be x3
Yes but I cannot for the life of me remember EVER hearing that Federation ships are armored. if we take by example how many hull breaches have been delt to star trek vessels its a staggering number, I certainly would not envy any star trek fleets assaulting anything larger than two destroyers because those suckers have both shields and armor. granted one quick scan would expose shooting them in the bawls as a weak point but you'd have a while before phasers would compromise the hull I would think by the time one destroyer would be dead in the water the fed ship would be crippled and bleeding out because half the time when exposed to sustained fire fed shields drop faster than twilek's panties in a hutt palace.
Dont want to pick a fight. but that Star Destroyer would rip that Feddy ship to pieces. Star Wars ships are too op, and understandably so.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire.....veMinutes.html
Honestly, it would be way too unfair. Even the Slave-1 (Boba Fetts) ship, would tear the Flagship Enterprise D to shreds.
Just comparing an Acclamator Troop Transport to the Enterprise D:
300,000,000 GW Light Guns, vs 3.6 GW Phasers
2.4 Million Megaton Heavy Guns vs 64 Megaton Photon Torpedos
Sublight acceleration of 3500G's vs 1000G's
Operational Range of 250,000 Light years vs 2750 Light Years
Shield Dissipation of 70 Trillion GW vs 3311 GW
Reactor Power of over 200 Trillion GW vs just 4 Billion GW
And Hyperspace allows full galactic traverse in sheer hours...compared to Star Trek ships taking 12 hours just to move 3 lightyears.
A Star Wars ship could travel to the other side of the galaxy and back inbetween meals.
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire.....veMinutes.html
Honestly, it would be way too unfair. Even the Slave-1 (Boba Fetts) ship, would tear the Flagship Enterprise D to shreds.
Just comparing an Acclamator Troop Transport to the Enterprise D:
300,000,000 GW Light Guns, vs 3.6 GW Phasers
2.4 Million Megaton Heavy Guns vs 64 Megaton Photon Torpedos
Sublight acceleration of 3500G's vs 1000G's
Operational Range of 250,000 Light years vs 2750 Light Years
Shield Dissipation of 70 Trillion GW vs 3311 GW
Reactor Power of over 200 Trillion GW vs just 4 Billion GW
And Hyperspace allows full galactic traverse in sheer hours...compared to Star Trek ships taking 12 hours just to move 3 lightyears.
A Star Wars ship could travel to the other side of the galaxy and back inbetween meals.
Well, you have to count in that the short time a Ship in the SW Universe needs for travel is due to the fact (and the need) for accurate Starmaps. You need a proper course for travel and the Ships allways jump from Starsystem to Starsystem with several Jumpintervalls into Hyperspace.
Than you know all. Mostly i chose this name for the part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB_BppedQxM Explorers form outside the galaxy. :) Kinda fits the idea.
its a beautiful piece my friend as I thought it would be congratz on getting it done :) used to play star trek online myself back when it started haven't touched it sadly in a long time ^.^;; though my personal favorite vessel was always the Nebula class *blushes* they call her an underdog... that is until they saw what she could do in the Dominion war kicking as much butt as many of but not all of the capital ships :3
And that ship can have a huge shield to almost 25 k if I remember right. I still play the game, a few times a week. Mostly just keeping touch with the other on the fleet, I'm sadly to busy to be able to share time to play quests. Tough I managed to finish the new episode by now. I hoped it will be longer, but for someone who has the time it was maybe just an afternoon, and I don't have time to start a romulan char.
Originally I didn't like the ships design that much but as I saw it from different angles and such; I started to passionately love it. I think the people that worked on Star Trek from TNG onward loved the design so much they kept it alive well into the 24th century.
Did you you the Excelsior was mentioned in The Next Generation? From some Star Trek site I was reading one day many years ago, they weren't sure if it's the original Excelsior or a different ship with the same name.
Did you you the Excelsior was mentioned in The Next Generation? From some Star Trek site I was reading one day many years ago, they weren't sure if it's the original Excelsior or a different ship with the same name.
As I been searching the web some time ago for some pictures I came across a picture that showed 2 different excelsior an NX and NCC version, with some minor differencies, and they looked like they were used for film set, so I think your right that there were two excelsior's.
The NX version had that big dome on top of the impulse deck while the NCC one had two smaller domes on the impulse deck and that's been the way all ships of that class looked since.
What I was wondering is that when it was mentioned in that TNG episode was that the exact same ship seen in Star Trek 3&6 or a new ship that replaces the original excelsior when it was put in a museum or was destroyed.
If it was the original ship mentioned on TNG, that would mean the Excelsior would be about just under a 100 years old.
What I was wondering is that when it was mentioned in that TNG episode was that the exact same ship seen in Star Trek 3&6 or a new ship that replaces the original excelsior when it was put in a museum or was destroyed.
If it was the original ship mentioned on TNG, that would mean the Excelsior would be about just under a 100 years old.
Star destroyers are nice. The closest thing to an imperial star destroyer in real life is a nimitz class aircraft carrier. One US Navy carrier task force air wing could take on and defeat the air forces of even some of the more modern first world countries. Canada's Air Force would be no match for a wing of USN super hornets.
I see the Rebels have learned new tricks. Love the Excelsior, Enterprise B will always be my favorite just because of the styling of that class. So long as the shields hold, my money is on the Excelsior just because of weapon accuracy and they know the weak points. Also because of the crazy amounts of fire my Excelsior has taken and enemies it has destroyed in STO. Retrofit some blue phasers for some serious epicness. XD
Heh, I don't know who would win over all. But considering the aiming methods we see in the star wars movies and the ones used in star trek.
But I can't help but think of the captains of the star destroyers yelling at the top of their lungs "Hold still you ridiculously designed abomination! How dare you out perform us looking like that and not the sturdy design of our superior military might!".
But I can't help but think of the captains of the star destroyers yelling at the top of their lungs "Hold still you ridiculously designed abomination! How dare you out perform us looking like that and not the sturdy design of our superior military might!".
I can't get enough of the Excelsior. I just love how it looks, and even with it's film appearances it still always felt like the underdog to me, the unsung hero... Also seeing the Lakota take on the Defiant and practically win was enough to convince me that it can still hold it's own despite it's age.
Beautiful Excelsior-class. Heh, I see I am not the only one who loved the Enterprise-B refit in every way EXCEPT the weird ring-like section at the deflector dish. Looks so much better without it, but best with the nacelle details, and additional pods on the back of the saucer. Exquisite detail, I love it <3
Well, the ships in the game can only be so detailed, otherwise it affects gameplay. Fine details can always be added later. In the meantime, the game provides opportunity to place the camera wherever you wish and get the proper angle, so you can have the necessary ship proportions correct from all aspects (yes, DC comics, I'm looking at YOU with that statement....).
I am in the works of creating a STO-era fancomic, but I wanted to remain as faithful to such proportions and details as possible, and as to not repeat the same angle over and over and over, STO provides an excellent reference point (without having to custom build 3D models). That being said, the internals I create on my own, but my only resource is Google SketchUp. But, since fine details can always be added later, it works for proportion-sake.
I am in the works of creating a STO-era fancomic, but I wanted to remain as faithful to such proportions and details as possible, and as to not repeat the same angle over and over and over, STO provides an excellent reference point (without having to custom build 3D models). That being said, the internals I create on my own, but my only resource is Google SketchUp. But, since fine details can always be added later, it works for proportion-sake.
i was thinking that it might put the nacelles out the back via tires from underneath pretty much just pulling that out of thin air and the hood, doors and roof pretty much fold together like feathers coming down from the top of the disk, or perhaps like holding cards from a center point and fanning them out would be a better example of what im trying to think of?
Just thought I might share a random idea to an amazing artist, your art, your time, just have fun with what you do XD
Just thought I might share a random idea to an amazing artist, your art, your time, just have fun with what you do XD
Been reading over the responses to this beautiful picture and laughing a bit. That range is actually one of the few ranges an Imperial ship is accurate at, since in Star Wars all the gunners have is the mark one eyeball with some good zoom optics, letting them hit things at ranges similar to what we are used to in the modern day. The Excelsior could engage from several hundred thousand km away.
TLDR Star Trek ships don't face any serious threat, even with 1 against 10 odds, from any Star Wars capital ship.
Also, Star Destroyers more powerful? Hardly. Turbolaser bolts are basically a gas (tibanna usually) converted to plasma inside an electromagnetic field created inside the turbolaser's firing chamber, made so by applying high power lasers to the gas. That bolt is then fired at the enemy, detonating when it impacts its target or when the EM field runs out. The Star Wars torps are a high grade explosive packed into a shaped charge and can bypass SW shields because they are not plasma, instead operating similar to our modern day AT rockets by shooting a bolt of molten metal through their target.
Star Trek weapons are much different. The phaser acts by disrupting the strong nuclear force binding atoms together. The more power in the phaser shot, the wider the effect. The torpedoes in Star Trek are antimatter shaped charge warheads. Instead of firing a bolt of molten metal through a target, they channel the explosive force of the antimatter reacting with matter straight into the target area. The phasers fired by your Excelsior in this picture could literally vaporize the entire command tower of a Star Destroyer. If you had put a Galaxy or Sovereign (my personal favorite, such a pretty and elegant ship) into the picture instead, a single shot could vaporize the entire Star Destroyer.
TLDR Star Trek ships don't face any serious threat, even with 1 against 10 odds, from any Star Wars capital ship.
Also, Star Destroyers more powerful? Hardly. Turbolaser bolts are basically a gas (tibanna usually) converted to plasma inside an electromagnetic field created inside the turbolaser's firing chamber, made so by applying high power lasers to the gas. That bolt is then fired at the enemy, detonating when it impacts its target or when the EM field runs out. The Star Wars torps are a high grade explosive packed into a shaped charge and can bypass SW shields because they are not plasma, instead operating similar to our modern day AT rockets by shooting a bolt of molten metal through their target.
Star Trek weapons are much different. The phaser acts by disrupting the strong nuclear force binding atoms together. The more power in the phaser shot, the wider the effect. The torpedoes in Star Trek are antimatter shaped charge warheads. Instead of firing a bolt of molten metal through a target, they channel the explosive force of the antimatter reacting with matter straight into the target area. The phasers fired by your Excelsior in this picture could literally vaporize the entire command tower of a Star Destroyer. If you had put a Galaxy or Sovereign (my personal favorite, such a pretty and elegant ship) into the picture instead, a single shot could vaporize the entire Star Destroyer.
Well call me old fashioned but I still fancy the old primary and secondary hull designs, such as the Excelsior my all time favorite. As for someone who came from the bitter side of the iron curtain, seeing the Star Trek movies was like the first sci-fi experience, in color. The excelsior just won my heart for the first sight.
As for I generate class pictures between star wars and star trek I dont really care much for the specs, since this is a never ending war between fans. My attention goes for showcasing the ships I love the best I can together. I also fancy more that star trek ship would kill star destroyer easily, but what would be the fun in that. I more built on how agile an excelsior can be compared to a sd.
As for I generate class pictures between star wars and star trek I dont really care much for the specs, since this is a never ending war between fans. My attention goes for showcasing the ships I love the best I can together. I also fancy more that star trek ship would kill star destroyer easily, but what would be the fun in that. I more built on how agile an excelsior can be compared to a sd.
Not hard when the enemy has zero structural integrity.
Look at the spindly connections, it's the e same flaw as the KDY Nebulon-B escort frigate, but three times the size and weak points.
Plus, octouple barbette turbo lasers fire highly refined tibanna gas plasma, hence the green, and have the most devastating volley in all of galactic history for a standard heavy turbolaser turret.
Also, thanks!
Look at the spindly connections, it's the e same flaw as the KDY Nebulon-B escort frigate, but three times the size and weak points.
Plus, octouple barbette turbo lasers fire highly refined tibanna gas plasma, hence the green, and have the most devastating volley in all of galactic history for a standard heavy turbolaser turret.
Also, thanks!
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