Nice, clearly its not a m4 nor a m16 o.=.o paintball? or airsoft?

Nope, completely real. Since I'm in New York, I can't have flash hiders, so I had to find a carbine with a bull barrel and no muzzle device. No telescoping stocks, either, and no bayonet lugs. And no high capacity magazines, either, unless they're old, and I just happened to find a really nice guy willing to sell an old one to an assault weapons ban state.

move now

I wish. I miss the restrictions on firearms in Virginia. Even Missouri and Iowa were better than here. I'd like to move, but I'm kinda stuck here for the time being.

What the hell? Where in NY are you? I want to know so when Obama tries to take MY guns away I know where to hide. I am really impressed with the pre-ban drum mag. That is a pretty legit find. My apartment is overflowing with pre-ban 30 round mags I'm finishing up. Fucking laws. -.-

Were you at Fur Fright by chance?

I wasn't at furfright, my camera went without me.

But I'm in the Rochester area right now. A couple people I know also have huge collections of various arms. Hopefully, they won't give up without a fight. I know I certainly won't.

Sucks for you, I can and do have flash suppressors, telescoping stock and bayonet lugs plus multiple 30rd mags. I also have an ECOTech holographic sight, love it. Don't really like the feel of the foregrip so I don't have one.

It does suck. I'm building an AR now, I'll have to pin the brake, cut the bayonet lug, and use the ACE stock instead of a tele-stock.

Fortunately, still, I can have it remain a detachable magazine semi-auto, and use pre-ban high capacity magazines, so I suppose not all is lost.

As far as the foregrip goes, I don't really care for them but though I'd give it a try. I like this one because it's ergonimic, but I'm certainly not going to go get more for other rifles.

I actually have two(2) currently. One has all the goodies you can't legally have and the other only has the flash suppressor.

new? or one of your old ones?

Old one with new stuff on it.

thank god
i would have gone to where you live and i would have beaten you if you bought another

Oh. Oops. I'd better not post the other stuff then, should I...

i mean, a new ar-15 anything else would be fine

Even an M1A? And Mosin Nagant M44, Swiss K-31, Stoeger Uplander Deluxe Coachgun, and an original production Ithaca M37 Deerslayer? That's OK, right?

as long as you didnt by a gun you already own, unless its cheap or a hand gun

I'd better not buy a handgun, I can't legally own them, yet. As soon as I'm eligible I'm going to apply for a liscense, and as soon as I get that license I'm going to start putting together an ultimate 1911, as well as a few others. One of them has to be a Spanish Star Modelo B, as they're very nice 9x19 pistols good for carry purposes.

I was thinking about buying another AR-15 lower so I wouldn't have to change uppers and I could configure one for carbine use with a shorter stock, though. That wouldn't really be a whole firearm, though.

not 21? or some other reason
and that sounds like a good idea

Unfortunately they wont let you apply until you've been living here for more than three years. I'm about at two right now. It's stupid, but I'll have to deal with it while I'm here.

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I'd like to head over to Vermont, but my mate kinda has the greatest job ever, and he'd never be willing to move.

ah

You'll hate me then, I own four(4) M1 Garrands, two(2) AR-15's, two(2) 1911's and two(2) other refiles that aren't the named the same, but basically are.

holy accessory cost batman!!
the mag cost you what, $70-$100, about the same or more for the sight, good flashlight, and the foregrip was prolly a bit cheaper but... wow

why not just take the iron sights off and scoot the holo sight back??

The mag was $250 with all accessories and S&H. I probably wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't a pre-ban version of one that's illegal here now, as I have a bag full of 30rnd Magpul PMAGs. The sight, I bought new at a gun show for $275, and the good flashlight was about $3, but I doubt it could handle anything other than the .223. The foregrip was about $12, and one of the better foregrips I've had my hands on. No gimmicks like a folding bipod or anything, but it does have space for batteries inside.

While I would just take off the carry handle and scoot the EO Tech back, this is a fixed handle upper receiver, so I can't. I do have a set of backup irons on another rifle that I'd readily pull off and mount on here if I could, though. I might try and find a nice upper with a few extra rails on it at the next gun show, though.

Ah, I have a pre-ban AR with birdcage flash hider...
lol, the only pic or vid I have of it is on my youtube and it's kind of an older video... hence why I look kinda yongue. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMiknkGn2o

Yep. That's one of the first-gen Beta Mags. Two fifty round drums on either side for a low profile and even weight distribution. Since the AWB is still active here, I went out of my way to find one of the old ones that won't get me arrested. Unfortunately, with the price of ammunition now, if I fill that thing a few times I've spent more on the ammo than I have on the magazine. Now, even more depressing, I have a thigh rig full of PMAGs behind my door, and each is full of Black Hills 68gr .223 reloads in Lake City cases. The ammunition in those was more expensive than the magazines.

True. That's part of the reason I took up loading my own. A match grade .223 will cost about:
$.20 per 69 grain Sierra Match King bullet
$.03 per primer
$.10 or so for powder, maybe.
That's about the price for Wolf, but it won't clog up the chamber, and it's very accurate.
Reloading for a .45-70 is a bit more expensive, but there's more of everything there.

I have one Beta drum, a drop-leg rig with 9 magazines in it, and a pile of counterfeit Bushmaster 10 rounders. I bought those from CheaperThanDirt, and most of them fell apart before I could load them. The bodies weren't welded very tightly, and when they were painted, the paint seeped between the halves, and they lost all their structural rigidity. Here's the first two that broke, and they sent me one replacement to see if it was OK, a it was just as bad, only the weld on the very top was holding it together.

Oddly enough, I called Bushmaster about the whole thing. The person I talked to couldn't find any evidence that any Bushmaster magazines had been sent to CTD in the past six years, and that the ones I have may likely just be counterfeits. I haven't shopped there since then, even though I've kinda wanted to.

You're a god among men.

I have a family member (brother) who's a gun nut, and hailing from Scotland in the United Kingdom, we simply can't get 'proper' weapons over here - let along assualt rifles!

Which means he has an m249 in his bedroom... full metal and everything... of the Airsoft variety.

and you think YOU need to move!

Varka

I do need to move if i want certain features, or a handgun in the next few years. In New York State, we're now allowed to have bayonet lugs, flash hiders or threaded muzzles(a pinned on brake is just fine, though), telescoping stocks, rifle grenade launchers(of the muzzle variety), and all the '94 assault weapon ban stuff.

If I want to own a handgun, not even being able to take it out of the house, I need to wait until I've been in New York for three years, then I can apply, and eventually might get a response back, then I can pick out a handgun, apply to purchase, and when the paperwork for that goes through, I can pick it up and take it home and lock it up until I can get a license to shoot it.

But I do have a pretty good collection of various toys, most of which are pretty nice.

WOW. I didn't realize how strict NY is with guns. In a year I could go out and get a handgun at the gunshow near my house or get one a a local gun store and wait for the five(5) day period for the background check, then take it to the range an get trigger time. As far as I know I don't need a permit to own a gun unless it's for conceal carry or a fully automatic. I feel sorry for you.

O.=.O is that bad boy real!

Absolutely. Both are entirely what they look like they are.

i really really really really want that gun! its like a 2008 updae of a chicago gangster mafia gun!

Oh, wow. You're right. I didn't even realize that before.

^.=.^ hahaha. Your now a proud owner of a 2008 Chicago Typewriter

I have the same model Eotech and foregrip -.-

The EO Tech sights are great, and for the grips I found that one seemed to be the absolute best for the money.

I do love the Eotech though I think I'm going to go with Trijicon's 1.25x24 (I think) scope.

Yeah those grips are very comfy. Mine rests under a Midwest Industries rail, though I think I'm going to get an offset mount from Krebs so I can mount my G2 on the bottom and still have plenty of thumb access.

I just love the gun safety in this pic!! The safety's off and that mag is in!! (jk) Man, I'd love to have this gun!

Yep. Safety's off, empty magazine's in, hammer's down, chamber's plugged. I keep mine with the hammer down to keep tension off the springs, and the safety will not engage while the hammer is down.

Lol, nice. I had no clue that if the hammer were down it wouldnt fire while on semi.......How much do those C-mags run ya?

I live in New York state, so I can't buy C-Mags manufactured before the ban in '94. I was lucky, however, to find someone selling one of his pre-ban magazines only to someone in a ban state, and it was only $250, which is about the price of a new one.

Wow. thats still much. I guess its better than those crappy stamped metal mags the military issues to people.

Yeah, I bought a few of those, but the welds have a tendency to split. I did try out the new Magpul PMAGs, and I have to say they're certainly the most durable magazine I've used yet. Great thing is that they're only $14.95 for a standard magazine.

Yea, I saw those two. there was a review of them on youtube where a guy shot one with a 7.62 round. And it was filled with 30 rounds. It still fired. Nutsy shit. That and a bus can run over the thing and its till survives.

I'd believe it. I bought one out of curiosity, loaded it with 30 rounds of Black Hills 68 grain rounds, and dropped it onto cement a few times. Then threw it. Then went for a few light poles. And then stomped on it pretty hard with my Bates boots. Then I went and bought eight more for my emergency bag.

They're unbelievably durable!

nice love the drum mag

Thanks, it's quite a bit of fun to shoot out of it. Not quite as fun to load, though. I had to go through a considerable amount of trouble to get a legal one, since I live in NYS, which still has the AWB of '94 in place which limits new magazines to ten rounds.

wow i see what you're saying and sorry to hear that.

No worries. It's an easy law to legally get around. The older Beta mags are just a little harder to find, sometimes. But I was able to repair some old broken USGI magazines with parts from the new Magpul PMAGs, and they're very nice.

cool. around here in order to have a class 3 weapon we need to buy this 200$ stamp or something

Ah. Lucky you. Here we really can't have anything, other than an SBS or SBR if we can find a CLEO to sign off on it. All the fun class III NFA stuff is illlegal.

oh crap that sucks. well from one gun lover to another i hope they change the law

I doubt they'll do it willingly. Hopefully the Heller v. D.C. ruling will come out good, and will have an impact on the ban on more useful firearms in some states.

I could almost hear the familiar "pfiuueeww" sound when the night vision goes on :D

No night vision here, just the holosight. I only ever got to use a set of PVS-14 (I think) goggles a few times, I don't recall them making that noise, but they did make a very faint high pitched whine.

I really think it's just stylised by video games, as well as there are nearly NO stripes in your field of vision and the Vision is a LOT better with those things than they give away in the games :P
But I like the sound^^

True. Games do have a tendency to make things nicer than they are in real life.

Well not always...
Reality is brown, dude... reality is brown ;)

But brown is sorta gross. I guess that reality can certainly be gross, as well.

Yeah but really, it pisses me off.
Have those guys NEVER looked out of a window before? When I look out of the Window I see things like THIS: http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1285128/
Does that look BROWN and DARK for you?
Seriously, I can only set the brightness so high on my TV. And when I still can't see anything after breaking the right border of the gauge, I stop playing DMC4 and go back to Brawl.
(Though DMC4 is awesome :D)

I'm not sure what DMC4 is, but yeah, I'm pretty sure a fair number of the guys who make those games aren't familiar with what outside looks like.

Devil may cry 4. Awesome game and only brown in the beginning.

It's crazy enough to color levels "reality-brown" in a game where you can hold yourself in mid-air for about a minute, just by swinging your motorized bastard sword, or shooting with two guns bigger than desert eagles at once, without realoading even one time. ^^

Doesn't seem very "realistic" to me, but it's helluva fun time :D

Very nice bullet hose.

It's an alright rifle, working on building a better upper right now, but not quite a bullet hose. If only it was, though, I could turn over $60 of 5.56 surplus ammunition into smoke, noise, and fun in a matter of seconds.

Aye! is a pity that you live in NY, where gun laws are very restrictive; down here in the "Gunshine" state, we enjoy everything, including Class III goodies. I have an 03A4 clone that I built that needs some range time (probably this weekend) and i need to get the dust bunnies out of my AR.

You should join this website - http://www.ar15.com And enjoy the camaraderie from fellow AR nuts like me.

You know, I never really wanted to join, as I had heard and seen some poorly behaving ARFCOM members in the past, but after visiting the /k/ portion of 4chan, I really don't think it can get much worse than that. I think I'll give it a second look.

Bad behavior can only be curved and is inevitable in forums like ARFCOM, but in 4Chan, it becomes a sort of artform. Trust me, ARFCOM is well worth the visit, plus you get to meet other shooters in your area (NY State Hometown Forums) that could help you spruce your AR and keep it up to snuff...

Trust me, ARFCOM is a great site.

Yeah, 4chan has had a few good moments, but for the most part it's just going completely to the trolls now. However, I've tried to register, but neither of my original accounts work, and I can't find one from somewhere that will work. You wouldn't happen to know where I could get an address that I could use to register, would you?

Sorry, no dice on the 4chan. Sorry.

Oh, I mean I tried to register at ARFCOM, and neither of my email accounts work there.

Oh, ever tried a hotmail account?

I think that's one of the ones they have in their list of accounts they won't accept. I've tried a couple other less popular free ones, as well, with no luck.

Well, I opened my account with a Hotmail email addy; you might want to try yahoo or Google...

I tried with a Yahoo and Google, address, and it didn't work, those and Hotmail are the three that came up with the message that you can't use free mail addresses.

Hmmm, strange...

Wow man is that real?
M16? or the M4? i forget, they look pretty much similar to me most of the time.

Neither, really. The M4 and M16 are select fire military versions. This is just a semi-auto, but it has an M16 style buttstock, since the lower receiver is from a heavy-barreled AR, and the upper was just a cheap M4 carbine clone to plink with at shorter ranges.

I am working on building myself a better carbine, too, without using the same receiver as my target AR, but I'm still waiting on a backordered barrel, gas tube, and lower receiver. It'll take a while to get that, though, everything's been backordered since the election.

Gah i look forward to seeing that actualy, youre coming up with some very conventional designs!

Too bad you can't have a flash hider on it.

Yeah, though I did get a nice muzzle brake for the newer one I built. Permanently attached to a 14.5" barrel so it neither counts as a feature, and takes it over 16". I have a special load for carbines that reduced flash and burns up all the powder by about the time it gets to the gas port, so it's not too bright, and keeps the rifles clean.

That sounds like very economical ammo. Maybe I'll get into reloading some day.

It's not much more economical, since it's just a few grains shy of what I load with other powder, but it performs pretty well given the shorter barrel length. Good time to learn how to reload, though, primers, powder, and bullets are a little easier to get ahold of, but ammo is still pretty high.

Yeah. I could do a lot more shooting if I learned how to load my own stuff.

Do it! I started out with a couple sets of Lee Classic dies, about $20 a caliber, a rubber hammer, and a little powder and a few primers, and the first loads I did for my .223 shot better than any of the factory match loads I bought, then I started reloading for everything. And that's not even to mention how much I'm saving loading. As it is now, those 62 grain .223 carbine loads end up costing me no more than about $7.50 per box of 50, and for the calibers I'm casting my own bullets for, it's a matter of nickles and dimes. With a little scrounging for good bullets for it, I can feed that .500 AHR for about $.40 a round, rather than paying the $225/20 cost they're asking for 'em. Plus, for other, more unusual calibers, such as the .350 Remington Magnum, I can form brass from something as common as .300 Win Mag cases and save money like that, too.

Sweet. Now if I search around on the internet, I can probably find the necessary info on doing this. 7.62x39 seems like a good caliber to get started on, as long as the cases are brass of course.

It sorta is. I found a bag of surplus IMI brass a while ago for a super-cheap price. But without counting the cost of the brass into the equation, it ends up being more expensive to reload that than it is to shoot cheap steel-cased stuff. Now I'm just waiting on a 6.5 Grendel upper so I'll have something to use all this nice brass in.

Cool.

dude.

yell at the carrying handle until it morphs into a rail

I just itch with agony when anybody mounts a holosight that far up, HOW CAN YOU BEAR THE PAIN

I went ahead and strangled the carry handle off of here, used the extra material to make a quad rail, and punched the muzzle until it turned into a NYS compliant brake. Much nicer now.