Hang in there

I always do my best.

You know, speaking of perspective...it was during you doing me the Gos/Darkwing pic that I realized that the way you did her face looked a lot like somebody had applied a skewing aka shearing effect on it in Photoshop or a similar program.

Here's a little demonstration of the effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:V.....r_m%3D1.25.svg The blue one is the original, and the green one is the "skewed" or "sheared" one.

So when you'd send me the final result, I applied the effect on her face in the other direction (so it would cancel out any such effect in the first place) in Paint Shop Pro, and then it looked fine for me and I uploaded it like that.

And ever since then, I've started realizing that people who need more experience in drawing faces seem to be accidentally applying this effect on faces. I dunno, maybe it's something to do with how the human brain processes perspective?

Make of this what you will, but maybe doing in Photoshop what I did could help your perspective on the desk and similar stuff?

Here's another example: http://keith-hair.net/blog/examples.....ew_diagram.gif

The effect basically means that if you have a rectangle with four sides, one set of two opposing sides will stay the same, while the other set of opposing lines is moved around. Think of it like a frame with lose screws in the corners so the frame will keep bouncing or sagging out of shape while the solid sides themselves stay straight.

hmm, i get the first example you commented, but not sure i fully understand the triangle bit.
sorry. but i think I have an idea of what you mean.

Oh, don't worry, I can't make much sense of the math text on Wikipedia either. It's just about the images and how they illustrate the "skewing" aka "shearing" effect so you'll find the right effect in Photoshop to play around in the x (horizontal) and y (vertical) direction.

Speaking of perspective, perhaps it would help to sketch out the inanimate objects, then lay out construction lines to vanishing points, and use them to 'correct'/'fine tune' the objects.

This image from the Wikipedia article on perspective may help illustrate my point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Perspective1.jpg

If the vanishing points are off the page, you might be able to 'cheat it' using a ruler. Very lightly, draw construction lines along the top edges of the table, then draw parallel vertical lines where the table top construction lines intersect. then measure the length of the leg closest to the viewer, and make a mark on the other vertical lines the same distance down from the intersections, then draw the other legs down to those marks.

It just takes practice and perseverance. And with all the other artists here, you should be able to get all the advice and guidance you need. Everyone's better at different things. I tend to be good at 'technical layouts,' but I stink at getting body proportions right. you are still learning how to draw inanimate things in detail, but your grasp of anatomy is amazing.

i don't know why that is,
i think i just feel movement a lot better then I do stillness.

and as for the table, I actually did use that method for it,
but you have to consider the angel between the person and the object.

it's like neokat isn't sitting in the same dimension as the table. lol

but thanks for the advice.

If you used vanishing points. it looked like you set one near the viewers shoulder. The front of the desk is shorter than the back.

Vanishing points for 2 point perspective should be located on the horizon line.

It's quite simple what's wrong. You aren't drinking enough coffee.

^ this

Heh, the table legs all line up straight like an MC Escher drawing...

Probably the best way to get artist block is to assume you're doing something wrong.

You didn't go into the Matrix and collect that data chummer.

I'm almost there,
speaking of which I made it to a boat,
i livestreamed it, just didn't have an audience.
so at least you can follow along.

I'm so close to the end, and yet it's the little things
that cost the most time.

Went in the drake building?

no, but i got on a boat and started tearing ass for no reason.
although I did find out the laughing joker faces name.

I had to look it up,
I'm actually in a battle with him, but thought i would save it for a stream,

mainly because of how ridiculous this battle is, you have to keep shooting him
until he talks, then you have to change your icon to click on him then speak
to him. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT?!,
but anyways, I figured it out....by cheating and looking it up, but I'll save the
battle for the next game stream.

i think your doing a great job X3 just dont stop. if you stop youll never push forwards into even better stuff

oh no worries,
it's in my nature to draw,
always will and always have.

but I still can't help but feel like it
gets the best of me sometimes and
makes me hate what I've been working at.

well dont let it get you down to much *gives you a hug* your stuff is awesome.

*pats back* it will be ok.

thanks a bunch for that.

I know its not much but it is all I can do since I don't know you too well. :/

Perspective is one of the hardest things in art. You can draw incredibly )as you do) but even the greatest artists don't have perspective. I personally love your work and have never noticed any errors. If I ever do notice one, I will still love your art, because the incredible skill with which you wield a pencil.

wow, thanks a bunch for that,
I'm really glad your enjoying.

You don't have to thank me, hun; you should be thanking yourself. Nobody honed your talents except you. <3

yea, but mentioning it and reminding someone of things like that
always deserves thanks, a person like me can be very forgetful of
the most obvious.

I know the feeling, it happens to everyone. We lose sight of what we do in comparison to others. We're harshest to ourselves, y'gotta let yer friends point out your cool stuff, I suppose!

ah, perspective

my old foe

I only noticed the left(right) rear table leg being akilter and the front left(right) leg being shorter than the rest, though that could be one of them optional delusions.

I hear ya...