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B-day pic for 
afterhumanity333
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alucard009 
urtheart ulta, malkierian, 
iayem and 
dansyron
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Gonna be honest, not a huge "AoT" fan, but I'll admit, it's well done. MrZash was orignially gonna commission this, but being so close to his birthday, I made his gift the inability to throw money at my face.
(And yes, that's what we call the grumpy armadillo at times. Especially when he eats all the bacon raw.)
afterhumanity333Also starring
alucard009 
urtheart ulta, malkierian, 
iayem and 
dansyron-
Gonna be honest, not a huge "AoT" fan, but I'll admit, it's well done. MrZash was orignially gonna commission this, but being so close to his birthday, I made his gift the inability to throw money at my face.
(And yes, that's what we call the grumpy armadillo at times. Especially when he eats all the bacon raw.)
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Wow, very nice Tough!
I loath Attack on Titan so much. Nothing ever happens, just nameless mooks dying over and over again, with heroic music queues that preceded massive failures every single time, and then attempts at heart-string tugging that falls flat due to me not even caring about some dude/chick dying that was introduced only last episode or mainly because there's no character development so I struggle to remember who the fuck the person was. That's why I don't like the show. The deaths lack impact as no one stays around long enough for me to remember who they are.
I loath Attack on Titan so much. Nothing ever happens, just nameless mooks dying over and over again, with heroic music queues that preceded massive failures every single time, and then attempts at heart-string tugging that falls flat due to me not even caring about some dude/chick dying that was introduced only last episode or mainly because there's no character development so I struggle to remember who the fuck the person was. That's why I don't like the show. The deaths lack impact as no one stays around long enough for me to remember who they are.
You haven't gotten far. One of the original trainees dies. Their quote suits what you said perfectly: "Not everyone gets a dramatic death."
In an anime like this where people are dying almost every episode, yes, the deaths are going to start to lack impact. Most characters are in the anime just to die, in fact. You aren't supposed to be attached to those characters, or see them/their deaths as significant. What it's actually doing is showing how uncertain life is in their world.
You're free not to like the show, of course, but that's a godawful reason.
In an anime like this where people are dying almost every episode, yes, the deaths are going to start to lack impact. Most characters are in the anime just to die, in fact. You aren't supposed to be attached to those characters, or see them/their deaths as significant. What it's actually doing is showing how uncertain life is in their world.
You're free not to like the show, of course, but that's a godawful reason.
I made it to 17 or 18 before I gave up. I tried caring, but in the end I got really damn tired of the continuous rally cry and heroic music only to watch everyone die yet again. Then there's the plodding pace where entire episodes are spent with everyone yelling at each other and nothing happening, one or two here and there is fine, but when literally nothing happens for 5 or 6 episodes in a row and one week wait time between them, whoosh, there goes my interest.
This anime has a very Noir feel too it, and by Noir, I mean the anime. Here's how every episode breaks down:
5-10 minutes of recap (which usually means sitting through the same yelling 'dialog' from the last five minutes of the prior episode)
5 minutes of listening to either more yelling or whining about whatever situation the particular focused characters are in atm
5-8 minutes of progression, sorta. mostly more yelling and/or dying en-mass.
2 minutes of actual story development followed by credits
repeat.
This anime has a very Noir feel too it, and by Noir, I mean the anime. Here's how every episode breaks down:
5-10 minutes of recap (which usually means sitting through the same yelling 'dialog' from the last five minutes of the prior episode)
5 minutes of listening to either more yelling or whining about whatever situation the particular focused characters are in atm
5-8 minutes of progression, sorta. mostly more yelling and/or dying en-mass.
2 minutes of actual story development followed by credits
repeat.
What are you looking for? What is your idea of a good anime? I get what you're saying and it's not wrong, but it's inconclusive. I fail to see how that could make it a bad anime at all. The anime portrays the lives of the characters in it.
Does the mystery of the Titans not intrigue you? What of Eren's father and the enigma surrounding him? Eren's abilities? The Female Titan?
Does the mystery of the Titans not intrigue you? What of Eren's father and the enigma surrounding him? Eren's abilities? The Female Titan?
Characters, development, and plot make a good anime. AoT has none of them. Yellilng, whining, cardboard cutout sterotypes, mass death, pointless exposition, and no progression. AoT has a theme, possibly a premise, but not plot.
Basically the premise to a story is your starting point. It's the idea behind it - its reason to be.
-A young man seeks revenge for his family's death during a breached wall event. Also he has a key that opens a door.
The theme is the overall thrust of the story - what it explores. It's the end result and may have little to do with the premise.
AoT explores the dynamics of social order and relationships between people in a post apocalyptic world where giant monsters destroy people in large numbers.
-Though I'd say the story does this poorly as almost no time is spent exploring the relationships between any of the characters and only nods barely to the consequences for normal people in the trial episodes.
The plot is the story that evolves as a result of the premise + a roadblock/complication that drives the protagonist, and the action forward.
-As of this post, neither the anime nor the manga has made any significant progress towards resolving the central conflict of either exacting revenge on the titans or getting to the door. Instead we sit through more yelling, dying, and angst with characters that we barely get to meet before they die failing to accomplish any goal or purpose.
If I wanted to watch a snuff film, I'd go find one or watch illegal military footage of our troops slaughtering Iraqis.
Basically the premise to a story is your starting point. It's the idea behind it - its reason to be.
-A young man seeks revenge for his family's death during a breached wall event. Also he has a key that opens a door.
The theme is the overall thrust of the story - what it explores. It's the end result and may have little to do with the premise.
AoT explores the dynamics of social order and relationships between people in a post apocalyptic world where giant monsters destroy people in large numbers.
-Though I'd say the story does this poorly as almost no time is spent exploring the relationships between any of the characters and only nods barely to the consequences for normal people in the trial episodes.
The plot is the story that evolves as a result of the premise + a roadblock/complication that drives the protagonist, and the action forward.
-As of this post, neither the anime nor the manga has made any significant progress towards resolving the central conflict of either exacting revenge on the titans or getting to the door. Instead we sit through more yelling, dying, and angst with characters that we barely get to meet before they die failing to accomplish any goal or purpose.
If I wanted to watch a snuff film, I'd go find one or watch illegal military footage of our troops slaughtering Iraqis.
You may be oversimplifying it, also overlooking some important details. For example:
There's a lot that happens in the first episode. Before the gate is broken, Eren finds Hannes, a member of the Garrison, drunk with his friends. After their conversation, Eren finds that Hannes is actually not prepared to fight the Titans in the event the wall is breached. Later, Eren gets into an argument with his mother--the last time he speaks to her before he finds her under the rubble. When the Titan appears while Eren and Mikasa are saving the mother, Hannes is present, but as he said before, he is psychologically unprepared to fight. Of course, Eren's mom dies, and as a result of this, anger, strong resolve, etc.
The theme often doesn't become apparent until the end, so we'll have to wait to see what it actually is. As far as relationships, what I've seen explored are:
Eren x Mikasa, obviously
Eren x Armin
Jean x Marco
Ymir x Krista
And then there are the special cases, like Hanji Zoe and Sasha Blouse, the latter who is just oozing with eccentricity and potential. Annie Leonhardt is also pretty mysterious. I don't think there's a shortage of character diversity, and the depth comes with time.
Plots are terribly unimportant. All the plot really has to do is make sense, otherwise, it's all driven by the characters. The lack of progress they've made is a result of their situation; to say that the actual media is bad because the characters can't wipe out all the titans, then swoop into the basement and learn all the secrets doesn't really make sense to me.
Right now, I'll say there's a bit too much mystery and not a lot of resolution. At this rate, the ending of the anime will either be rushed or we'll go into a second season.
You also forgot art and animation! AoT has excellent animation scenes. The soundtrack is formidable, too.
There's a lot that happens in the first episode. Before the gate is broken, Eren finds Hannes, a member of the Garrison, drunk with his friends. After their conversation, Eren finds that Hannes is actually not prepared to fight the Titans in the event the wall is breached. Later, Eren gets into an argument with his mother--the last time he speaks to her before he finds her under the rubble. When the Titan appears while Eren and Mikasa are saving the mother, Hannes is present, but as he said before, he is psychologically unprepared to fight. Of course, Eren's mom dies, and as a result of this, anger, strong resolve, etc.
The theme often doesn't become apparent until the end, so we'll have to wait to see what it actually is. As far as relationships, what I've seen explored are:
Eren x Mikasa, obviously
Eren x Armin
Jean x Marco
Ymir x Krista
And then there are the special cases, like Hanji Zoe and Sasha Blouse, the latter who is just oozing with eccentricity and potential. Annie Leonhardt is also pretty mysterious. I don't think there's a shortage of character diversity, and the depth comes with time.
Plots are terribly unimportant. All the plot really has to do is make sense, otherwise, it's all driven by the characters. The lack of progress they've made is a result of their situation; to say that the actual media is bad because the characters can't wipe out all the titans, then swoop into the basement and learn all the secrets doesn't really make sense to me.
Right now, I'll say there's a bit too much mystery and not a lot of resolution. At this rate, the ending of the anime will either be rushed or we'll go into a second season.
You also forgot art and animation! AoT has excellent animation scenes. The soundtrack is formidable, too.
I'm going to but in here. Having never seen the show, and not even knowing what it's about, with the exception being the tones of fanart with those weird hip zip lines, you make it sounds really unappealing.
I've played a number of games and watched various anime with the claim of "It gets better after X", and I only recall a single time where it was worth it, Bubblegum crisis 2040, and even then, it's the first 3 episodes of a 30 episode series. Basicly, if a show is crap until the last episode, the show should start at the last episode
There is a difference between "anyone can die" and pointless death for shock value or a pointless death. You can have death that is unglomorous, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't care.
Let's look at a good example. Band of Brothers and Black Hawk Down, both have alot of characters who die, and sometimes they die without fanfare.
The way you describe it, it makes it sound like a really lazy, shallow show where characters just turn up and die in boring episode after boring episode until the end.
I've played a number of games and watched various anime with the claim of "It gets better after X", and I only recall a single time where it was worth it, Bubblegum crisis 2040, and even then, it's the first 3 episodes of a 30 episode series. Basicly, if a show is crap until the last episode, the show should start at the last episode
There is a difference between "anyone can die" and pointless death for shock value or a pointless death. You can have death that is unglomorous, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't care.
Let's look at a good example. Band of Brothers and Black Hawk Down, both have alot of characters who die, and sometimes they die without fanfare.
The way you describe it, it makes it sound like a really lazy, shallow show where characters just turn up and die in boring episode after boring episode until the end.
My turn. Attack on Titan I have found to be very difficult to describe to other people, as in when I try to explain it it somehow just seems to sound worse than what I think. And this is the one thing I like about it - episode 1 sets it up perfectly, if you don't like episode 1 I'm not going to tell you to stick with it as you most likely won't like it. I wasn't interested until I saw some screenshots of the set pieces and I loved the art style, then Dan got me to watch episode 1 and I decided I'd follow the series from there.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion once they have the grounds to form it upon, same things as 'don't knock it until you've tried it'. I don't agree with what Semc says at all, there's a reason it's quickly rising as a popular anime and it's not just because it's different or has gore and death etc, it's because it does it well. People don't die every episode, they don't give a name to everyone who dies - it's a war of humans vs titans and it's already established from the beginning that titans are a LOT more efficient at killing humans than vice versa, so a lot of people die to emphasise this. It shows peoples' terror, the unheroic deaths they have to come to because of this, etc etc etc. It's a brutal show and it stays grounded (ie. the Manouver Gear they use, the guy who wrote the manga asked help from engineers etc in how it works. In theory, it could actually be made). It turns in a snap of your fingers from 'Yeah, kill all the titans!' to 'well..... shit'.
I'm not someone who even likes watching anime, can't be bothered to read subtitles and the themes are generally the same and predictable. I like this because it appeals to what I like to watch, and there's no freaking yaoi bar what the fanbase wants to establish. I haven't read the manga.
Just my two cents... If you enjoy it or not, fair enough, it's not for everyone. There are people that don't like anime because it's anime, but that's just the way it is.
... and this turned out way longer than I intended. Oops, sorry.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion once they have the grounds to form it upon, same things as 'don't knock it until you've tried it'. I don't agree with what Semc says at all, there's a reason it's quickly rising as a popular anime and it's not just because it's different or has gore and death etc, it's because it does it well. People don't die every episode, they don't give a name to everyone who dies - it's a war of humans vs titans and it's already established from the beginning that titans are a LOT more efficient at killing humans than vice versa, so a lot of people die to emphasise this. It shows peoples' terror, the unheroic deaths they have to come to because of this, etc etc etc. It's a brutal show and it stays grounded (ie. the Manouver Gear they use, the guy who wrote the manga asked help from engineers etc in how it works. In theory, it could actually be made). It turns in a snap of your fingers from 'Yeah, kill all the titans!' to 'well..... shit'.
I'm not someone who even likes watching anime, can't be bothered to read subtitles and the themes are generally the same and predictable. I like this because it appeals to what I like to watch, and there's no freaking yaoi bar what the fanbase wants to establish. I haven't read the manga.
Just my two cents... If you enjoy it or not, fair enough, it's not for everyone. There are people that don't like anime because it's anime, but that's just the way it is.
... and this turned out way longer than I intended. Oops, sorry.
No problem.
It's like describing Bubblegum Crisis 2040 to people. I could say "It's hot chicks in armour punching robots." which is true, but saying that way makes it sound more shallow than it is. I could say "It's an underwear designer and a pop singer fighting an evil corporation.", but that sounds sillier than it is. I could go on, but you get the idea. I guess my issue is that what little I've heard of the show makes it sound unappealing, and that's likely because for the most part, the focus is on superficial elements rather than your description of a good whole with decent story, tone, ect.
It's like describing Bubblegum Crisis 2040 to people. I could say "It's hot chicks in armour punching robots." which is true, but saying that way makes it sound more shallow than it is. I could say "It's an underwear designer and a pop singer fighting an evil corporation.", but that sounds sillier than it is. I could go on, but you get the idea. I guess my issue is that what little I've heard of the show makes it sound unappealing, and that's likely because for the most part, the focus is on superficial elements rather than your description of a good whole with decent story, tone, ect.
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