just to ask...what is training ammo good for knowing the kick?

no, they're much less powerful than the real thing. But what they are good for is getting the feel for how to load and opporate the gun with ammunition in it. Blank's don't have the same feel as they're just missing a bullet in the front. meaning that all there is are the casses when you use a blank. which is why you can't load multiple blanks into a magazine without the chance to jam. and you can't use automatic or semi auto with blanks because they don't give enough recoil to cycle the firing mechanics.

ahhh

Actuallly Blanks are a full bullet, just minus the projectile, instead they have paper in there, as the casing does have gun powder in it.

Yes, But the overall length of the "bullet" is shortened dew do the lack of the slug in the casing. you're still firing the powder, But there's no bullet, this also makes problem for guns that load bullets from magazines. as the shortened length of the bullets make it easier for the gun to jam. This was demonstrated very clearly with lever action rifles firing blanks.

thats why in the movie industry they use bullets that fire a gel type round that just disintegrates from the barrel.

Yeah. as long as there's something that makes up for the lack of the bullet, it doesn't mater what happens to it after the bullet fires.

yeah the make blanks fire correctly the restrict the gas changer or the barrel inner diameters to raise the gas pressure to make the bullet s cycle in the miltiary when using blanks for training with MILES (Military Integrated Laser Engagement System) -Military grade Laser Tag- gear your must attach a blank adapter on they are to nearly plug it so the blanks will cycle normally as if firing live rounds..

Many straight large-bore cases used in lever-action rifles will be capped with a paper disk, but the modern blanks are in cases with a crimp, so they're pointy enough to feed in an M16, and with a blank-firing adapter, will create enough pressure in the gas system to cycle the rifle.

Those blue cartridges, on the other hand, are not blanks. They're all plastic, but rather than releasing the gas out an opening, the front is sealed tight, with the plastic being particularly thin where the case neck would normally be. When fired, they're still loud and have quite a muzzle flash, and the plastic is moving along at a pretty high velocity, but it's much lighter than a standard bullet and still quite dangerous. The Germans used this ammunition, along with a special one-piece blowback G3 bolt, to simulate live ammunition.

I know that. But I was talking about that blanks are physically shorter than standard bullets. those training rounds are meant to simulate real bullets without the possibility of jamming that blanks can have.

I know that 5.56 blank cases are longer in order for the crimped portion of the case to help it feed like a full length cartridge.

Yeah. as long as the bullet is elongated to compinsate for the lack of an actual bullet, then it'll run fine. but if the bullet is missing and nothing is done to make the case as long as a standard bullet, then the chances of the gun jamming goes way up. the only way to keep that from happening is if you manually feed each bullet in and fire them one at a time.

I wasn't going to say anything originally, but using the right names for the right things goes a long ways.

yeah. I say "bullet" when I mean the whole thing. But when i'm talking about the Case itself. I say "case" and the slug in the case is the bullet. really, what do you actually call it when you're just refering to the whole thing? XD well, I guess cartridge then.

Clippazines.

Did you know that you can buy a 600-round fully-automatic assault clip for $29.95? Pelosi, Bloomberg, and Biden do, as they said in TIME Magazine.

I remember reading through that issue. It was a traumatic experience for sure.

Does the plastic bullet do anything when it hits something?

I actually bought a couple of those same bullets cause they were neat. And the place a bought them from had tested a few of them using wet phone books as the targets. The bullet punched through 4 phone books stacked on top of each other.

well. THat's actually quite impressive. Wet you said?

yeah. they soaked the phone books to make it react more like flesh. you can soak phone books and stack them if you don't have ballistic gell.

Theres a reason these are NOT a non lethal option for law enforcement.

Yeah. I'm sure this would get put under the classification of "less lethal". which it is when compared to actual bullets of the same caliber. but still pretty lethal.

I'm not even sure that less lethal would apply here. Cause the only thing these are really meant to do, is allow you to use a high powered rifle at a ranger with a proper bullet trap. Which is made of super hard materials, anything soft, these are going to go straight through just like any normal bullet. Up to a certain amount of range, that is. These have a greatly reduced range because of the lightness of the material used for the projectile. But a lot of the energy is still there, it just bleeds off really fast.

Yeah. which is why it would be considered "Less lethal" because it's effective lethality is so much greatly reduced even compared to low grade ammo. it's not meant to be actual ammunition designed to kill. it's meant for that purpose of getting a feel for using and properly chambering a gun and firing through the cycles. so yes, it CAN kill, but it was also designed that if it WAS accidentally fired at someone, it would at least have a much lower chance of killing them. Which if you really think about it. those training rounds aren't that much less expencive to buy in bulk than real ammunition. even cheep ammo can be just as costly as those training rounds. it's because of their lowered killing power that they get used.

I'm not really up with all the terms and such. I prefer my guns as lethal as possible.

Yeah. But the training rounds are just for being able to still use the guns the same way as with real bullets, but with less risk of killing someone if you do accidentely shoot someone while on the range.

I've had friends describe untrained firearms as "heavy, metal teddy bears".

I'd love to get my hands on the one shotgun I saw at a museum. A double-barrel 1 gauge.

Otherwise called a "cannon".

Probably kills from both ends too. Shells like soda cans.

It it isn't a muzzle loader.

In the 19th century they had this beast called a "punt gun" used for the commercial hunting of ducks. Not fired from the shoulder, it was mounted in a boat called a punt.. They have one at the Henry Ford. Monster shogun, over six foot long with a near 2 inch bore..

Do do know where the gauges come from? The number of balls that fit the muzzle it takes to make a pound. That is why the smaller the number the bigger the gun. 12 gauge, 12 balls, 20 gauge 20 balls and so forth. A one gauge shotgun could shoot a one pound lead ball.

Yup. I say kills from both ends because just the recoil would be enough to relocate the shooter about ten feet backwards if someone could even shoulder-shoot one.

I saw the punt gun while hunting up 1 gauge stuff. Found one here http://youtu.be/EzwbcVbE9rw

I didn't know that about the gauges though. Thanks for the info. :)

And thanks for the video.

More disposable income.

they will NOT allow you to fire a 308 at the indoor range, regardless of the munition.

They let me shoot my STG-58 with full power surplus at my indoor range. This is in a completely different state, though.

This is a stripmall range. They don't allow it at either indoor range in Tucson.

Oops, I read the "the" as an "a" in your initial comment.

I've got wooden bullets for a gun I don't even own.

I really should sort my loose ammo and see what I have...

I know I have a hundred or two rounds for guns I no longer own.
(Scattered all over my room in various boxes, drawers and containers.)


-Badger-

I found A box of .22LR today. 50 rounds but .22 feels like it is rarer than gold `round here lately.

I've used those blue plastic bullets with a G3.

They don't produce enough recoil to cycle a semi automatic, you will likely have to reload after every shot. There are special lightweight, nonlocking bolts for the G3 that allow it to work semi automatic with them.

i don't know if i should be impressed or scared that i could identify the ammo even if i haven't handled a single firearm for years now.

Do you even own a 10 gauge Karno?

As a matter of fact, yes.

Those aren't common. What kind is it?

A side-by-side made by Zamacola Hermanus of Eibar, Spain.

Good heavens. A double? What on earth do you use it for?
That's a pretty heavy payload for most fowl.
And that slug you've got would stop a truck.

Barrels are 18-and-a-quarter inches, so it's not for long-distance hunting. Frankly, I hope I'll never have to use it for it's intended purpose. I like it best as a loud toy.

I read an article recently about a similar topic.
If there's any truth to it, that cannon of yours must kill at both ends!
http://www.guns.com/review/2013/08/.....defense-video/

I think I'd rather stick to my 12s personally.

Ahh range rounds...I am glad they opened a shooters world here so i don't have to deal with that tom foolery. Their range is rated to .50 BMG. ~<3

Your post Karno makes me want to take my M1911 out to the range for a few hundred rounds. It would be an expensive but fun few hours. Not as much fun as 10 gauge or a .308.

I'm here to give you some testimony, 10 and 8 gauge guns are enough to stop vehicles, if you are using the correct ammunition.
I fired an 8 at the front end of an older model Honda, and it went through the radiator, and lodged itself inside the head with the cam shaft.

glad you found ammo for your 10 gauge karno, i am having a bitch of a time finding 10 gauge for my A.Y.A 10 gauge from Eibar Spain. its only a single break with a 32in barrel and some beautiful engraving done on the gun.