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I ended up thinking about situations in where poor imagination shows up in writing and the first thing I thought about were the Green Lanterns. I know relatively little about the lore of the Green Lanterns, and I thought up of this joke on a whim.
Out of curiosity I decided to look at clips of the Green Lantern movie. Turns out the first use of his ring: Big fist. Final blow against the bad guy of the movie? Big fist.
If I had the energy to drag out this joke I would have had the next scene having the generic fox green lantern being sliced in half by an imagined up giant mech, or blown away by the death star.
Other things that get a note for use of poor imagination: Anything that deals with dreaming.
Out of curiosity I decided to look at clips of the Green Lantern movie. Turns out the first use of his ring: Big fist. Final blow against the bad guy of the movie? Big fist.
If I had the energy to drag out this joke I would have had the next scene having the generic fox green lantern being sliced in half by an imagined up giant mech, or blown away by the death star.
Other things that get a note for use of poor imagination: Anything that deals with dreaming.
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#1 you forgot the white light of creation
as for this. DO NOT USE THE MOVIE FOR ANYTHING REGARDING THE LANTERNS friggin horrible source material.
*facedesk*
I wanna rant because i am a megafan of the GL but ill give you the TLDR version.
Green Lantern Live action movie SHIT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
as for this. DO NOT USE THE MOVIE FOR ANYTHING REGARDING THE LANTERNS friggin horrible source material.
*facedesk*
I wanna rant because i am a megafan of the GL but ill give you the TLDR version.
Green Lantern Live action movie SHIT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
You went overboard taking what he said the wrong way. He only said 1 sentence to you. That was 'the white was for creation." That was the only bit he was addressing toward you. Everything else you took personal for no reason. He was commenting on the drawing about how the movie sucks compared to the true story of Green Lantern. He was agreeing with Endium in regard to how the movie was. Do you still think he has a problem or he needs to chill?
He wasn't being all pissed, not in the slightest bit. You are. It looks for my side you are a drama-queen. Like you are looking for any little reason to tell someone (online) "The hell is your problem" You still take it out of context.
Hmmm.... I am going to ask you one question.
THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM?
Hmmm.... I am going to ask you one question.
THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM?
I'm pretty sure they justify this in the comics with more extravagant constructs being more draining or power-hungry or something, but that is a bit of a flimsy excuse for comic book science. Not even a suit of holo-armour? A squadron of magic laser-spitting space dragons?
I think you've definitely found a good alternative, though!
I think you've definitely found a good alternative, though!
I agree, particularly when it comes to green lanturn games.
I read Green Lanturn Corps on and off (the idea of super hero space police is better than generic super hero imo). Yes, this kind of thing does happen, usually with soldier type characters who have little imagination. However, there are more creative and practical constructs.
It should also be noted that the intention of lethal force makes the (green) rings shut down until they are rebooted back at home base. Again, this happens in the comics.
In one funny moment, one character creates a shield/barrier, the barrier is a buff version of himself in a heroic pose deflecting the blast with his chest. So the writters have a sense of humour. A medical character uses it for medical equipment as well. In one scene, a robotic character gets horribley mangled, and uses the ring to create replacement bits.
However, one of the most imaginative things in the book is that there is a planet and a bee like creature that have rings.
The most frustrating lack of imagination for me comes with elemental based powers. Simply put, why doesn't a water elemental not such the blood from peoples bodies, or an earth elemental throw cars, power tools and manipulate power lines?
One final thing. A big mech, while more imaginative that a big fist, why not something else? Why not an army of flesh eating germs, or make spikes erupt from his body? You can construct anything you can imagine, so why a conventional weapon?
I read Green Lanturn Corps on and off (the idea of super hero space police is better than generic super hero imo). Yes, this kind of thing does happen, usually with soldier type characters who have little imagination. However, there are more creative and practical constructs.
It should also be noted that the intention of lethal force makes the (green) rings shut down until they are rebooted back at home base. Again, this happens in the comics.
In one funny moment, one character creates a shield/barrier, the barrier is a buff version of himself in a heroic pose deflecting the blast with his chest. So the writters have a sense of humour. A medical character uses it for medical equipment as well. In one scene, a robotic character gets horribley mangled, and uses the ring to create replacement bits.
However, one of the most imaginative things in the book is that there is a planet and a bee like creature that have rings.
The most frustrating lack of imagination for me comes with elemental based powers. Simply put, why doesn't a water elemental not such the blood from peoples bodies, or an earth elemental throw cars, power tools and manipulate power lines?
One final thing. A big mech, while more imaginative that a big fist, why not something else? Why not an army of flesh eating germs, or make spikes erupt from his body? You can construct anything you can imagine, so why a conventional weapon?
Because of the need for familiarity. Yes, imagination is well and good. In fact, it's essential in a creative world, but if you get too bizzare, you put off the bigger audiences. Whether you wish to admit it or not, those of us who-like you mentioned-WANT to see the strange and unique are the minority. I could also go into several boring details about things like the "science" of it (HA! Now there's an oxymoron) and why it hasn't been explored, but these are situations where such things go out the window.
Comics are a business, plain and simple. Familiarity brings in the money, and gives people something to relate to. Which is going to cause the bigger roar from the crowd. A massive fist exploding forth to break the villian's face, or something that many people might not notice, and thus be bored with the explanation.
But to put it into a sense of the consideration of the characters, that familiarity also offers a comfort zone. When your life is on the line, like many of these heroes and heroines are, you're going to stick with what you know, what has worked time and again. Neccessity is the mother of invention, sure. But many inventors aren't on the battlefield where a single misstep can cost it all.
Comics are a business, plain and simple. Familiarity brings in the money, and gives people something to relate to. Which is going to cause the bigger roar from the crowd. A massive fist exploding forth to break the villian's face, or something that many people might not notice, and thus be bored with the explanation.
But to put it into a sense of the consideration of the characters, that familiarity also offers a comfort zone. When your life is on the line, like many of these heroes and heroines are, you're going to stick with what you know, what has worked time and again. Neccessity is the mother of invention, sure. But many inventors aren't on the battlefield where a single misstep can cost it all.
I feel you are talking about 2 different things there. In the case of stripping out needlessly original stuff in service of the story, I agree for the most part. Some of it is utter crap imo, like making aliens human looking so people can relate to them, but in the case of Green Lantern the tech and ideas have all been explained and examined.
The other aspect of it the star trek transporter, or superman being over powered. This is why I like this despite, as myself and others have mentioned, some of the constructs being more complex and varied in the comics. As well as Endiums own lack of imagination. Simply put, they have this outragously powerful thing that can solve most plots in a second, but for the sake of drama they have them not work, or otherwise just have the characters ignore the bloody obvious for the sake of the story. That is the failing of Green Lantern, it doesn't matter if it's intentional or lack of imagination on the sake of the writers.
The other aspect of it the star trek transporter, or superman being over powered. This is why I like this despite, as myself and others have mentioned, some of the constructs being more complex and varied in the comics. As well as Endiums own lack of imagination. Simply put, they have this outragously powerful thing that can solve most plots in a second, but for the sake of drama they have them not work, or otherwise just have the characters ignore the bloody obvious for the sake of the story. That is the failing of Green Lantern, it doesn't matter if it's intentional or lack of imagination on the sake of the writers.
> Some of it is utter crap imo, like making aliens human looking so people can relate to them
Here's a story:
When James Camren was originally creating the Navi for Avatar, he knew that the main character was going to have a love interest with one of them, but he saw a problem. He's designed the Navi to match the world, so they were more like the animals. For one thing, they actually had gills. This made them too alien for most people to find sexually attractive. So, he had them made more human, and each time he did that, he took a survey, asking, "Would you want to make out with this?" He finally stopped when the answer was a resounding "Yes!"
Now, this story might very well be apocryphal, but that's beside the point. Let's pretend it's true.
He made a choice, sacrificing some of the consistency and fantasticalness of the world for the sake of allowing people to better relate, and better understand why Jake (the main character) is so attracted to them.
Let's also assume this change probably caused more people to like the movie, and the movie to make more money.
Do you have any thoughts on the matter? Is this change also "utter crap"?
Here's a story:
When James Camren was originally creating the Navi for Avatar, he knew that the main character was going to have a love interest with one of them, but he saw a problem. He's designed the Navi to match the world, so they were more like the animals. For one thing, they actually had gills. This made them too alien for most people to find sexually attractive. So, he had them made more human, and each time he did that, he took a survey, asking, "Would you want to make out with this?" He finally stopped when the answer was a resounding "Yes!"
Now, this story might very well be apocryphal, but that's beside the point. Let's pretend it's true.
He made a choice, sacrificing some of the consistency and fantasticalness of the world for the sake of allowing people to better relate, and better understand why Jake (the main character) is so attracted to them.
Let's also assume this change probably caused more people to like the movie, and the movie to make more money.
Do you have any thoughts on the matter? Is this change also "utter crap"?
Another good example is district 9. The prawns were originally less human in appearence, but became more human so the audience would relate to them.
And since you ask, yes, it's utter crap imo. It insults the intelligence of the audience and makes the aliens less alien in the process. While you assume the film made more money because of the change, there is no way to know for sure as no one will take a gamble on it.
If you want an example of the opposite, ask yourself why there has never been a lovecraft film. Film effects have only recently reached the point where it can be made within a reasonable budget. Although why an animated version was never made by now is a mystery to me. However, attempts to get the film funded failed, as hollywood producers want to add a romance sub plot for various reasons. I assume you think that the producers in this scenario are correct, because it would make more money, and would make the characters more relateable? It would knee cap the film in the process. Do you think that would be a good thing, because it's the same thing?
And since you ask, yes, it's utter crap imo. It insults the intelligence of the audience and makes the aliens less alien in the process. While you assume the film made more money because of the change, there is no way to know for sure as no one will take a gamble on it.
If you want an example of the opposite, ask yourself why there has never been a lovecraft film. Film effects have only recently reached the point where it can be made within a reasonable budget. Although why an animated version was never made by now is a mystery to me. However, attempts to get the film funded failed, as hollywood producers want to add a romance sub plot for various reasons. I assume you think that the producers in this scenario are correct, because it would make more money, and would make the characters more relateable? It would knee cap the film in the process. Do you think that would be a good thing, because it's the same thing?
> If you want an example of the opposite, ask yourself why there has never been a lovecraft film.
Honestly, I've always assumed it's because getting the rights were hard, or else the people doing it wanted more freedom to write the script than the copyright owners wanted to allow. (You asked me to speculate, and I am speculating, though I admit to having absolutely no information.
> Film effects have only recently reached the point where it can be made within a reasonable budget. Although why an animated version was never made by now is a mystery to me.
Again, this speculation is groundless, but I'd always assumed it's mostly because animated+horror is generally considered a self-contradiction.
> However, attempts to get the film funded failed, as hollywood producers want to add a romance sub plot for various reasons. I assume you think that the producers in this scenario are correct, because it would make more money, and would make the characters more relateable? It would knee cap the film in the process. Do you think that would be a good thing, because it's the same thing?
Not at all. I'm no quite sure what you're talking about, but it sounds like you're saying this:
1) Someone who owned movie rights to Lovecraft's works (maybe the primary copyright holder), wanted to make a movie that was true to his original works.
2) People with lots of money decided not to pay lots of money to fund the proposed movie idea as-is, and instead suggested a different plot that included a romantic sub-plot.
3) Copyright owner declined, because (s)he wanted the original idea, or none at all.
I see nothing wrong here. The owner doesn't want to water-down the original work, and some people with money decided not to fund a work that didn't go as they like. That seems perfectly reasonable, and totally unrelated to Avatar.
Avatar's plot and world seem to have been created/written by James Cameron with the express purpose of being made into a movie. I assume that the plot originally included a love interest, since frankly, there isn't a whole lot of plot if you remove that. In this case, the plot was changed by the creator to fit his vision better. (A "hotter" female protagonist)
Disclaimer: I may very well have several facts wrong, and feel free to point it out if I do.
Honestly, I've always assumed it's because getting the rights were hard, or else the people doing it wanted more freedom to write the script than the copyright owners wanted to allow. (You asked me to speculate, and I am speculating, though I admit to having absolutely no information.
> Film effects have only recently reached the point where it can be made within a reasonable budget. Although why an animated version was never made by now is a mystery to me.
Again, this speculation is groundless, but I'd always assumed it's mostly because animated+horror is generally considered a self-contradiction.
> However, attempts to get the film funded failed, as hollywood producers want to add a romance sub plot for various reasons. I assume you think that the producers in this scenario are correct, because it would make more money, and would make the characters more relateable? It would knee cap the film in the process. Do you think that would be a good thing, because it's the same thing?
Not at all. I'm no quite sure what you're talking about, but it sounds like you're saying this:
1) Someone who owned movie rights to Lovecraft's works (maybe the primary copyright holder), wanted to make a movie that was true to his original works.
2) People with lots of money decided not to pay lots of money to fund the proposed movie idea as-is, and instead suggested a different plot that included a romantic sub-plot.
3) Copyright owner declined, because (s)he wanted the original idea, or none at all.
I see nothing wrong here. The owner doesn't want to water-down the original work, and some people with money decided not to fund a work that didn't go as they like. That seems perfectly reasonable, and totally unrelated to Avatar.
Avatar's plot and world seem to have been created/written by James Cameron with the express purpose of being made into a movie. I assume that the plot originally included a love interest, since frankly, there isn't a whole lot of plot if you remove that. In this case, the plot was changed by the creator to fit his vision better. (A "hotter" female protagonist)
Disclaimer: I may very well have several facts wrong, and feel free to point it out if I do.
I liked reanimator. (or one of them at least) I didn't know they were lovecraft based.
I'm talking the Cthulhu, old ones, cosmic horror, people going crazy stuff in particular. Although there was an Alone in the Dark film, it had almost nothing to do with the game aside from the name, and the game was only kind of inspired by it.
I'm talking the Cthulhu, old ones, cosmic horror, people going crazy stuff in particular. Although there was an Alone in the Dark film, it had almost nothing to do with the game aside from the name, and the game was only kind of inspired by it.
It's really hard to put what's going on in someone's head on the screen. A Writer can make an enpty room seem filled with dread and foreboding, but it's damned hard for a cinematographer.
That being said, there's always this:
http://youtu.be/3tTHn2tHhcI
That being said, there's always this:
http://youtu.be/3tTHn2tHhcI
I saw a really WTF horror movie late at night once (on the station that used to have fun by randomly trolling viewers with the rarest weird stuff and conspiracy theories after midnight) made by italians but it was in english and the FX were decent.
Several people on a pleasure boat in the 1920s/30s ? break down next to a fishing village that has replaced god in their church with - something from the sea. The townspeople and events become increasingly bizairre, they find those who have started to mutate - presumably into fish but it never seems to pay off for them in a body that works - and it ends with a naked girl being sacrificed to a tentacle beast (but no tentacle rape because it was not anime) evil wins in the end because it was destiny just like the creepy townspeople said. Is this one of the Lovecraft plots?
Several people on a pleasure boat in the 1920s/30s ? break down next to a fishing village that has replaced god in their church with - something from the sea. The townspeople and events become increasingly bizairre, they find those who have started to mutate - presumably into fish but it never seems to pay off for them in a body that works - and it ends with a naked girl being sacrificed to a tentacle beast (but no tentacle rape because it was not anime) evil wins in the end because it was destiny just like the creepy townspeople said. Is this one of the Lovecraft plots?
I would pin the blame on the Green Lantern of Earth though. There's many more Green lanterns as you've probably figured, and since they're all from different planets they would tend to have different objects in mind since they don't have conventional weaponry like guns, our kinds of swords and the like. But yeah I see your point, our Green Lanterns are shitty.
I don't know much of the lore myself, but I'd think some imagination-based super power would risk being 'overpowered' in a game/comic sense.
The giant fist does make a pretty well understood & know action shot though. Too bad the generic lantern is not a falcon, otherwise he could shout 'Falcon Punch!"
The giant fist does make a pretty well understood & know action shot though. Too bad the generic lantern is not a falcon, otherwise he could shout 'Falcon Punch!"
No, this is why Hal Jordan sucks. Kyle Rayner was a far superior, far more creative Green Lantern, who was always coming up with imaginative ways of beating the snot out of bad guys: fancily designed blaster-cannons, giant mechsuits, big monsters...
...Heck, one time he beat a bad guy by creating a gigantic Am-Trak Train to ram into him.
...Heck, one time he beat a bad guy by creating a gigantic Am-Trak Train to ram into him.
XD I can just picture Endium or whoever the dragon in this is in this just calmly going in the last panel "Oh no a big fist. I could never stop you now. Oh wait I counter with a big hand flipping you off and since a big hand flipping you off beats a big fist I win and you lose green lantern fox."
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