related, I find it really neat how fractal geometry is effective with antennas

Hohlfeld, R., and Cohen, N., "Self-similarity and the geometric requirements for frequency independence in antennae," Fractals 7 (1999), 79-84.
and

http://ve2xip.cactus.net/?p=1796

and they are used in all cell phones and such to get good reception and frequency response in a small package. This sort of thing really peaks me, that shape has such an important role in nature.
case in point, airplanes are kept in the air, pretty much solely because of what shape they are.

That's true Wirez.. Very true..

Example my antenna for HF is center fed by coax.. It works well on 3 bands.. the total lengeh is 130 feet long.. 65 x 2 legs of wire.. If I slide the center feed point to where one side is 90 feet and the other side is 40 feet I will gain seven bands total,, all by geometry.. Wonderful isn't it! and its quieter too.

indeed. simple pleasures I guess. but the actual physics of it all is just wonderful!

you bet,,

I know very basic things about antennas, I know RX antennas dont need as much of a ground plane as TX does, and that the lower the Freq the longer the antenna X.x but you lost me when you said the pencil is the AC cord >.<

Right the pencil is the ac cord.. This antenna is wrapped around the ac cord of a table top radio and it receives FM signals.. The reference here was what or to give an idea as to what it looks like

ah ok, sorry again not much exp with antennas >.<

U need to be ya ham... (damn thumb hurts like hell)

:P and sorry bout yer thumb, ;bandages it up for you;

Interestingly enough, a lot of tube table radios that did FM just had a metal clip insulated with stiff paper wrapped around the line cord.

the clip was 1/2" to 3/4" wide.

Bunners

Thats true Bunners I was trying to make something similar but this I idea works too

cool....

V.