Where the Stars Shine Brightest - Page 13
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Holy fuck, what does it matter if Ken is attracted to both sexes. If it makes you fucking happy, think of Jan as a boy. It doesn't. fucking. matter.
What could be behind door #1?
A GIRLFRIEND.
yup.
I went there.
Shou, did you take her coat. you did, didn't you.
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Holy fuck, what does it matter if Ken is attracted to both sexes. If it makes you fucking happy, think of Jan as a boy. It doesn't. fucking. matter.
What could be behind door #1?
A GIRLFRIEND.
yup.
I went there.
Shou, did you take her coat. you did, didn't you.
Preorders are now open for the KTR book, including WSSB and an extra exclusive comic!
http://furplanet.com/shop/item.aspx?itemid=689
Thank you for your support! <3
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Oh I know It was never stated and I wasn't going crazy like some others are o-o if I came off that way I didn't mean toolol
I just cant help feel a little sad and disappoint cuz I just loved this as a really cute gay romantic comic. only gay comics around here is PORN PORN PORN and it was a nice change of pace ya know? lol
Im glad he can move on im not sure I ever could though if that happened to me so Im proud of him for being strong I guess xD
I just cant help feel a little sad and disappoint cuz I just loved this as a really cute gay romantic comic. only gay comics around here is PORN PORN PORN and it was a nice change of pace ya know? lol
Im glad he can move on im not sure I ever could though if that happened to me so Im proud of him for being strong I guess xD
think about it, as a gay male, i was enjoying a comic of a romantic gay couple. it SPOKE to me. made me think "what if that happened to me" but now that i found out that this is not the case then the pages that ive been waiting for were basically tossed in the trash.
everyone is entitled to their own comments but
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everyone is entitled to their own comments but
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Actually the vast majority is bisexual, but that aside it perplexes me that you'd unwatch just because one thing. I understand liking a good gay story and I read them a LOT, but if the quality of the story within itself is good then the fact that this guy likes both sexualities? that should be A okay. Everyone is entitled to their own thought, but the fact that you're literally watching because there will be no dude grabbin a dudes booty is kinda... disrespectful. Like you never liked the quality of the art but you liked the fact that guys touch guys?
I'm not getting mad its just kinda weird to me that you're losing interest due to not the quality of the art going down, not the artists attitude, and not because you're tired of something else, but rather the fact that a guy is not gonna touch another dudes booty and now you are a disappoint enough to olly off into the moonlight. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/_.....krumping-o.gif
I'm not getting mad its just kinda weird to me that you're losing interest due to not the quality of the art going down, not the artists attitude, and not because you're tired of something else, but rather the fact that a guy is not gonna touch another dudes booty and now you are a disappoint enough to olly off into the moonlight. http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/_.....krumping-o.gif
Except the comic's focus wasn't about a romantic gay couple, but instead on a relationship that was cut short due to an illness and then a person's reluctance to move on with his life. To be honest, I didn't even realise that Shou was a boy until the sex scene, but that realisation didn't change my interest in the story (and yes, before you ask I am gay myself). Also, be very careful throwing around generalisations on the internet, it can get you into trouble. Just because you were put off by the fact that he is Bi and not gay doesn't mean all gay people will think the same as you.
I love how you insist that everyone is entitled to their own comments, and then link to a gif of someone flipping the bird tagged "fuck you".
So what you really mean is "I am entitled to my own opinion, and fuck YOUR opinions."
For a minute there, I forgot that this was the internet, and I thought that people might actually be open-minded and rational.
So what you really mean is "I am entitled to my own opinion, and fuck YOUR opinions."
For a minute there, I forgot that this was the internet, and I thought that people might actually be open-minded and rational.
its funny you say that because arn't furries all about "acceptance" and "loving everyone for who they are" ?? and yet, your going to reject and criticize this artists who is providing us with free artwork and stories because of a sexual decision made by the character? Shouldnt you accept that he has love for male or female? Its completely hypocritical. I personally would prefer more straight art, but the fact that people are making a shit storm out of this is retarded.
and if youve been waiting for the gay sex scenes, just browse through recently uploaded and im sure youll find about 150 thousand of them. This comic clearly isnt about that.
and if youve been waiting for the gay sex scenes, just browse through recently uploaded and im sure youll find about 150 thousand of them. This comic clearly isnt about that.
Are you serious? That's kind of a dumb reason to stop following a comic. I'm gay myself but do you see me bitching about Ken having a girlfriend? No. Yeah most of the furry fandom is gay but it's not a crime to be bi or maybe even straight. My boyfriend happens to be bi, just putting that out there.
im not discriminating of bisexual or straight people. im just saying, the comic had my attention, shou died, was un interested, found out that there was more, was interested and now im not. im one person. bitching about a comic mkay? my opinion doesnt matter. im just putting it out there
Honestly, if such an incidental factor is enough to undo your appreciation for a work that's obviously had a whole lot of time, effort and passion put into it; which aroused and engaged you up to this point, then i can only assume that the level of your engagement with the material is extremely shallow; the problem here is not the material itself; it's the biases, presumptions and sense of entitlement that you bring to it.
That's a pretty shallow reason and I seriously doubt "a lot of viewers" will stop watching/reading the comic because a character is bi and not gay. Is that the only reason you read a comic? Because the character is gay/has gay sex in it? Not for the art or the story itself?
If it is, fine, that's your pervy thing. But it's quite rude to just announce you unwatching and trying to declare "a lot of viewers" share your same opinion and will follow your lead. Keep rude comments to yourself.
If it is, fine, that's your pervy thing. But it's quite rude to just announce you unwatching and trying to declare "a lot of viewers" share your same opinion and will follow your lead. Keep rude comments to yourself.
I'm a bit confused to the story. In the beginning it implies that Ken is very depressed and 'just existing', not moving on. Then Shou comes in the 'dream' and has the talk with him. then Ken 'wakes up', and all of a sudden he has a girlfriend? Did he already have a GF at the beginning of the story? Because he didn't seem in a state to maintain a relationship, especially as worried as Shou is for Ken;s well being during the walk.
ive seen some people struggle to sem happy to their lovers when theyre feeling depressed by things like this,but its noticeable, im loving all of this comic sal! im just imagining jan telling ken "you seem a bit happier recently"
uhn, im always scared of saying this kind of opinions openly because im afraid of having totally misunderstood everything.sorry if its the case!
uhn, im always scared of saying this kind of opinions openly because im afraid of having totally misunderstood everything.sorry if its the case!
Gosh, for a while I was wondering why everyone was confused on how the story is going.
Shou just came back to help Ken move on basically... amiright? He helped him pass the mourning process and losing someone can cause them to feel stuck for a long time.
And don't be sad cause he has a girlfriend, people! Some people aren't strictly gay ya know vuv
Shou just came back to help Ken move on basically... amiright? He helped him pass the mourning process and losing someone can cause them to feel stuck for a long time.
And don't be sad cause he has a girlfriend, people! Some people aren't strictly gay ya know vuv
Wow furries complaining that he has a girlfriend now, completely disregarding the entire message of the comic because they feel the need to prove how they are the gayest of the gays. Seriously guys? How about we put down our rainbow flags for a split second and appreciate the amazing story behind this. How about we get warm fuzzy feelings because Shou gave Ken a reason to keep on living and loving? Only an immature little kid would throw a tantrum over the gender of the person who will love Ken and help him to continue on with his life. Grow up, furries.
Don't you understand? Heterosexual relationships breed extreme right-wing fundamentalists and Jan is probably gonna pray Ken's gay thoughts away. :P
I'm sorry, people are entitled to their own preferences, but they're also entitled to have their narrow-nmindedness pointed out. Your comments~ Where's my like button?!
I'm sorry, people are entitled to their own preferences, but they're also entitled to have their narrow-nmindedness pointed out. Your comments~ Where's my like button?!
So sad and yet so nice. As someone who's dealing with heartbreak at the moment I can totally relate on how important and nice it is to get closure and move on.
I will admit I was a bit surprised on the girl (GASP! a female on my comic watchlist?) but honestly I think it doesn't really matter. I actually thought it was a guy at first and I still kind of snarled and thought "he's not good enough for him!". But that's the beauty of moving on, you can see the past with rose-tinted glasses or choose to be open to what the future brings.
Change is scary but it can be good :3 and I thank you for this lil reminder that things do not have to get stuck. <3
I will admit I was a bit surprised on the girl (GASP! a female on my comic watchlist?) but honestly I think it doesn't really matter. I actually thought it was a guy at first and I still kind of snarled and thought "he's not good enough for him!". But that's the beauty of moving on, you can see the past with rose-tinted glasses or choose to be open to what the future brings.
Change is scary but it can be good :3 and I thank you for this lil reminder that things do not have to get stuck. <3
At least there are gay male comics.
The amount of straight and gay female comics for sale in this fandom are slim to none.
Maybe, instead of being disappointed in this comic, petition the countless other gay male comic artists to write something other than jack off material?
The amount of straight and gay female comics for sale in this fandom are slim to none.
Maybe, instead of being disappointed in this comic, petition the countless other gay male comic artists to write something other than jack off material?
Check out Peachy Keen! http://mittymandi.deviantart.com/ar.....Pg-1-266474836
I love how so many people are upset about this when, based on what I've heard, you never actually stated Ken's sexuality....
PERSONALLY, I think it a FANTASTIC story, the art has been gorgeous and the lesson is absolutely beautiful.
I am just happy that he found his light again.
PERSONALLY, I think it a FANTASTIC story, the art has been gorgeous and the lesson is absolutely beautiful.
I am just happy that he found his light again.
It is odd to me really.
When I read this page it made me feel so happy that he had been able to move and and find joy in life. The fact that he found love in female did not even cross my mind as being important...
I can not wait for the last page to be posted and to own my very own copy soon <3 Thank you for sharing such a touching story with not just me but anyone who has read this and sat at the edge of their seat for each new page.
When I read this page it made me feel so happy that he had been able to move and and find joy in life. The fact that he found love in female did not even cross my mind as being important...
I can not wait for the last page to be posted and to own my very own copy soon <3 Thank you for sharing such a touching story with not just me but anyone who has read this and sat at the edge of their seat for each new page.
Love the art, Love the characters. I cried. I smiled and now I am in this weird mixture of. I wanna cry but not from sadness. He has moved on. When your mourning, at first and for a long time it can stop all of you but slowly pieces of you start to move, relationships, friendships. Thing that make you forget. But their can be that one piece that just stops and stays, and while for weeks you could not think about it one thing can reminds you and the one piece feels like all the weight of the world on your shoulders.
It's so Nice to see Ken find his peace. amazing! Shou cared so much he came back just to help him. To see him happy. That is true love their!
Okay now I'm actually crying XD
It's so Nice to see Ken find his peace. amazing! Shou cared so much he came back just to help him. To see him happy. That is true love their!
Okay now I'm actually crying XD
Didn't see that coming! Good for Ken that he can finally move on. I can imagine things may have been a bit rocky in his current relationship with his depression and such. These stories have been great and have sold me to being a long-term watcher now :3 Your style and story-telling is great
Also, don't let these immature pervy kids get ya down ;P
Also, don't let these immature pervy kids get ya down ;P
A lovely story once again, thanks again sal ~
I'm quite disappointed that so many people are upset at the protagonist's choice of sex for his recent partner, though. Says a bit about them.
I hope it does not discourage you in writing lovely future stories like these.. I, for one support you ~
I'm quite disappointed that so many people are upset at the protagonist's choice of sex for his recent partner, though. Says a bit about them.
I hope it does not discourage you in writing lovely future stories like these.. I, for one support you ~
I wonder how many people in here that are complaining about the bi-ness would be offended if some character in a series they liked turned out to be gay and everyone around them went "WOAH, NO MORE INTEREST. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A STRAIGHT STORY, I WATCHED IT FOR THE STRAIGHT PART, BYE"
Excellent comic, it doesn't deserve all the negativity it seems to be attracting from people who apparently think the comic was made just for them.
Excellent comic, it doesn't deserve all the negativity it seems to be attracting from people who apparently think the comic was made just for them.
wow dramallamas have invaded
i for one just wanted to leave a comment on how much this story hits close to home for me personally.
when i was younger, 16 years of age, i lost my first boyfriend to brain cancer, he fought it for a whole year with chemo but it came back and took him from me less than a year after my grandfather, i was so empty for such a very long time.
i had such a hard time moving on but in time i found a woman who loves me so much for who i am and accepts that i still have those moments of depression and weakness.
this really brought tears of pain and joy to my eyes and i hope that other people will accept this for what it is. beautiful.
no matter the gender.
i for one just wanted to leave a comment on how much this story hits close to home for me personally.
when i was younger, 16 years of age, i lost my first boyfriend to brain cancer, he fought it for a whole year with chemo but it came back and took him from me less than a year after my grandfather, i was so empty for such a very long time.
i had such a hard time moving on but in time i found a woman who loves me so much for who i am and accepts that i still have those moments of depression and weakness.
this really brought tears of pain and joy to my eyes and i hope that other people will accept this for what it is. beautiful.
no matter the gender.
-sigh- no, it's not.
A. Ken had no idea if it was a dream or not.
B. They truly missed each other.
C. You can love more than one person.
Maybe I'm just overly progressive but I don't think Ken or Jan are going to feel guilty over having one last night with someone that death took away from you.
A. Ken had no idea if it was a dream or not.
B. They truly missed each other.
C. You can love more than one person.
Maybe I'm just overly progressive but I don't think Ken or Jan are going to feel guilty over having one last night with someone that death took away from you.
Oh no, Sal, you introduced a woman to a story originally about a gay relationship. They can't jerk off anymore with vagina smearing it's slimy black nastiness over the pureness of faggottry how dare you.
Gawd for-fucking-bid people enjoy a story for it's message, you're a horrible person for expecting people to respect an artist's choices. After all, only people who truly love an artist's characters will lose all interest in them at the slightest show of something they cannot relate to sexually.
Oh the horror.
Gawd for-fucking-bid people enjoy a story for it's message, you're a horrible person for expecting people to respect an artist's choices. After all, only people who truly love an artist's characters will lose all interest in them at the slightest show of something they cannot relate to sexually.
Oh the horror.
If someone has even the slightest interest in Sal's work or even.. I dunno.. makes a half-second effort to crane an eye towards his page throughout the multiple month process people have invested in making it 13 pages into this comic, then they should know how stupid making such an assumption would be. I think given the circumstances, me generalizing is a bit more justified. Please keep your misguided sexual orientation-related white-knighting to Tumblr and leave my two month old comments alone.
Do have a great day <3
Do have a great day <3
I really like this ending. I'm tired of this bizarre war between the super straight and the super gay. Can't people just be in love without being locked into an iron clad social designation based on the supposed genitalia of the person they're with? We'll all be better off when we stop giving a shit about who or what tickles someone elses fancy. It's like when we were little and all the boys are afraid the girls will give them cooties.
It's nice to see a story about someone learning to move on from a loss, who just happens to like boys and girls. Good for him! It doesn't change the story (or the characters!) one iota.
It's nice to see a story about someone learning to move on from a loss, who just happens to like boys and girls. Good for him! It doesn't change the story (or the characters!) one iota.
I want to like this page, except I scrolled down to the comments attached to it and am now seething with rage at the heterophobic bigots.
When will people understand that people are people and that gender is a negligible thing? Even if you feel that you are exclusively attracted to one sex or gender, how is it your business to judge the attractions of others, fictional or not?
This isn't a 'gay' story, this is sweet story about moving on with life and finding love again. In fact, it sickens me that individuals considered this a 'gay' story at all- that's incredibly degrading to homosexuals in that you perceive them as unable to simply be a couple, but rather they're a gay couple. It's gross that that qualifier is necessary to people, as if I'm with someone I love we're not a 'gay' or 'straight' couple, we're a couple.
I guess this will motivate me more-so to order a hard copy when I can, so that I may not be tempted into venting my rage at idiots.
When will people understand that people are people and that gender is a negligible thing? Even if you feel that you are exclusively attracted to one sex or gender, how is it your business to judge the attractions of others, fictional or not?
This isn't a 'gay' story, this is sweet story about moving on with life and finding love again. In fact, it sickens me that individuals considered this a 'gay' story at all- that's incredibly degrading to homosexuals in that you perceive them as unable to simply be a couple, but rather they're a gay couple. It's gross that that qualifier is necessary to people, as if I'm with someone I love we're not a 'gay' or 'straight' couple, we're a couple.
I guess this will motivate me more-so to order a hard copy when I can, so that I may not be tempted into venting my rage at idiots.
Anyone who uses "heterophobia" non-ironically doesn't deserve to argue, period. Until straight people are opressed and murdered en masse, to pretend you're on the same level of discrimination is both arrogant and sociopathic.
Doesn't detract from the stupidity of the haters, though.
Doesn't detract from the stupidity of the haters, though.
Kitten, this story is absolutely beautiful.
It was a joy watching this unfold.
Just remember that all the negativity is stemming from privilege that a few here need to get in check. Ignorance isn't something you can change in others, and while everyone is entitled to their own opinions, they're also entitled to shove off. From what I can tell though, it seems you did pretty well :]
I can't wait for your next project~
It was a joy watching this unfold.
Just remember that all the negativity is stemming from privilege that a few here need to get in check. Ignorance isn't something you can change in others, and while everyone is entitled to their own opinions, they're also entitled to shove off. From what I can tell though, it seems you did pretty well :]
I can't wait for your next project~
Thank you for writing such a touching comic. Thank you for making the protagonist bisexual, but not have a need to make it all about that characteristic. Thank you for making the bisexual character not all about being gay to attracting attention from the opposite sex, or a slut that sleeps around. I feel like, as a bisexual, you're portraying bisexuality in a very natural, very much how it happens, way.
I am definitely going to buy this comic once I get paid on Friday.
I'm so sorry that a lot of the people on here are biphobic, and you're getting crap for it. I'm sorry that people can't seem to see past the gender to understand the true message behind this.
I am definitely going to buy this comic once I get paid on Friday.
I'm so sorry that a lot of the people on here are biphobic, and you're getting crap for it. I'm sorry that people can't seem to see past the gender to understand the true message behind this.
I can't believe people actually get offended by the whole girlfriend thing. I think it's actually kind of sweet, shows that he can find true love again and that sex doesn't matter in that.
Awesome comic! The art and colors are just so soft and beautiful. Keep doing what you're doing, your stuff is the best of the best ^.^
Awesome comic! The art and colors are just so soft and beautiful. Keep doing what you're doing, your stuff is the best of the best ^.^
Actually, I didn't plan on Jan to have an explicit gender at all. She could have passed for either sex.
But then, again, I started thinking about what the furry community really lacked. Bisexuality IS really oversexed or overlooked in this community, and as someone bisexual I have truly seen this missing spot. So! I invoked a shitstorm for the sake of progress!
And yeah, the effeminate guy comment did piss me off a little. It was a little pretentious.
But then, again, I started thinking about what the furry community really lacked. Bisexuality IS really oversexed or overlooked in this community, and as someone bisexual I have truly seen this missing spot. So! I invoked a shitstorm for the sake of progress!
And yeah, the effeminate guy comment did piss me off a little. It was a little pretentious.
SalKitten I honestly thank you for this, bisexuality in many furry comics is usually seen as something hyper-sexualized without real story development but you have done justice to the character and to the message over all, and for that thank you. This is honestly one of my favorite micro-comics out there at the time of writing this message, peace.
Sal-
I know a lot of people have already commented and have the same view and opinion as I do on this, but from what I can tell, you're the type of artist (and person!) who cares to hear what others have to say about your works so I thought I would leave my .02!
KTR has had me hooked from the very beginning. I've been following it and keeping up with each update, and I've always been eager to see more! The thought and emotion behind this comic has really touched me, it's so rare to find a well-done comic that doesn't center entirely around a loosely connected plot and sex scenes. Bringing together a story with such depth in such a short comic speaks volumes about you- not only as an artist, but also as a person.
My opinion on the wrap-up of your comic is this: Ken's sexuality should really have nothing to do with how people perceive the overall story. After all, the story wasn't based on the fact that he preferred one sex or the other- it was based on his relationship with Shou and the love they shared while they were together. Whether or not he's attracted to the opposite sex is irrelevant, what matters is the relationships and bonds that are established. Ken and Shou have been one of my absolutely FAVORITE couples from the get-go, and the story behind them and what they went through really tugs at my heart strings.
It really makes me sad to see that some people have become disinterested in the story simply based on that Ken isn't fully gay. Does the fact that he can connect with individuals of both sexes really dismiss the rest of the comic and what was built up to that point? If so, I don't [personally] think that those readers are actually fully grasping the comic and plot the way it was intended to be.
This is what the story has sent to me personally as a message: Sometimes, a person can come into your life, even for a short time and make a bigger impact than anyone else ever has. Even if they're with you for only a short time, the time that they were with you is precious and will always be in your heart, regardless of who may come into your life or where it might take you.
The fact that Shou visited Ken one last time to bring him comfort and to tell him to move on truly melted my heart, and I'm so happy to see that there's a silver lining for Ken in Jan, whether she be male or female. I can't wait for the last page, and for some reason, I can't shake the feeling that Shou took her coat for a reason. Maybe that's me looking too far into it, but little things like that kinda stand out to me.
In any case, I apologize for the huge wall of text. I loved both KTR and WSSB, and I really hope you plan to do more comics in the future. Thank you so much for sharing such a beautiful and touching story. ♥
I know a lot of people have already commented and have the same view and opinion as I do on this, but from what I can tell, you're the type of artist (and person!) who cares to hear what others have to say about your works so I thought I would leave my .02!
KTR has had me hooked from the very beginning. I've been following it and keeping up with each update, and I've always been eager to see more! The thought and emotion behind this comic has really touched me, it's so rare to find a well-done comic that doesn't center entirely around a loosely connected plot and sex scenes. Bringing together a story with such depth in such a short comic speaks volumes about you- not only as an artist, but also as a person.
My opinion on the wrap-up of your comic is this: Ken's sexuality should really have nothing to do with how people perceive the overall story. After all, the story wasn't based on the fact that he preferred one sex or the other- it was based on his relationship with Shou and the love they shared while they were together. Whether or not he's attracted to the opposite sex is irrelevant, what matters is the relationships and bonds that are established. Ken and Shou have been one of my absolutely FAVORITE couples from the get-go, and the story behind them and what they went through really tugs at my heart strings.
It really makes me sad to see that some people have become disinterested in the story simply based on that Ken isn't fully gay. Does the fact that he can connect with individuals of both sexes really dismiss the rest of the comic and what was built up to that point? If so, I don't [personally] think that those readers are actually fully grasping the comic and plot the way it was intended to be.
This is what the story has sent to me personally as a message: Sometimes, a person can come into your life, even for a short time and make a bigger impact than anyone else ever has. Even if they're with you for only a short time, the time that they were with you is precious and will always be in your heart, regardless of who may come into your life or where it might take you.
The fact that Shou visited Ken one last time to bring him comfort and to tell him to move on truly melted my heart, and I'm so happy to see that there's a silver lining for Ken in Jan, whether she be male or female. I can't wait for the last page, and for some reason, I can't shake the feeling that Shou took her coat for a reason. Maybe that's me looking too far into it, but little things like that kinda stand out to me.
In any case, I apologize for the huge wall of text. I loved both KTR and WSSB, and I really hope you plan to do more comics in the future. Thank you so much for sharing such a beautiful and touching story. ♥
Can we just be happy this comic celebrates sexuality? Homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual what does it matter guys? It's romance. Does it need a big gay sticker on it.for.you to.read it? I'm glad people have the ability to.move on.
Sal.ignore them. I actually like this little twist. I love the whole story. It made me think. I wonder what I do if my lover or if I died. Would I want to move on? Would I want my lover to move on? Such questions I tend to think about a lot.
Sal.ignore them. I actually like this little twist. I love the whole story. It made me think. I wonder what I do if my lover or if I died. Would I want to move on? Would I want my lover to move on? Such questions I tend to think about a lot.
I have to admit, I didn't see Jan coming, but it made me smile seeing Ken finally able to move on, the fact Jan's a woman barely crossed my mind until I saw the comments. *shakes head sadly* It's a shame to see so many people getting up in arms over someone's sex and completely missing the point of the story. Sal, KtR and WSSB are two of the most incredible stories I've had the honor of reading in the last year, and I'm very happy to finally be able to order KtR.
I do have one question, and if you've answered this already, I apologize, but will WSSB be available for ordering also? I would love to have both gracing my graphic novels shelf.
I do have one question, and if you've answered this already, I apologize, but will WSSB be available for ordering also? I would love to have both gracing my graphic novels shelf.
To be honest, I don't care either way that Jan is *gasp* a GIRL or that Ken isn't fully gay.
I mean, people have a right to state their opinion, no matter how stupid it is.
I thought it was great Ken was able to move on, since he was very devoted to Shou, and it's awful people can't get that message.
Will this comic - and the first - be available for order in the future? I don't have a credit card or Paypal, but I'd love to get them sometime this year.
I mean, people have a right to state their opinion, no matter how stupid it is.
I thought it was great Ken was able to move on, since he was very devoted to Shou, and it's awful people can't get that message.
Will this comic - and the first - be available for order in the future? I don't have a credit card or Paypal, but I'd love to get them sometime this year.
Given your history, I'm uncertain that you have any authority on what's the proper way to move on from a relationship. You're not one to practice what you preach.
If you said something offensive in a text message, I'd react the same way.
The new girl he's with can help to fill the hole in his heart from the loss of his previous loved one. If you really love someone, you want what's best for them- and Shou wanted to see Ken happy again.
I don't think anyone will miss you reading SalKitten's comics.
If you said something offensive in a text message, I'd react the same way.
The new girl he's with can help to fill the hole in his heart from the loss of his previous loved one. If you really love someone, you want what's best for them- and Shou wanted to see Ken happy again.
I don't think anyone will miss you reading SalKitten's comics.
You and I both know that there are far worse things I know about you that I have the common decency to never reveal.
But it's pretentious and obnoxious to criticize a story's moral and to act as if you know the correct answer to coping with loss.
The story ended with everyone- Ken, his new lover, and Shou- finding peace from the anxieties that bound them. It may be a bittersweet ending, but it's a positive one.
The story has made myself and many others happy. Why is it your place to criticize something that you did not pay for or contribute to in anyway? If a story you enjoyed doesn't end the way it would have in your perfect world, c'est la vie. This story wasn't funded by you or made with you in mind.
But because it didn't end in a way that you find acceptable, you need to get on a moral high horse to find a way to criticize it. Grow up.
But it's pretentious and obnoxious to criticize a story's moral and to act as if you know the correct answer to coping with loss.
The story ended with everyone- Ken, his new lover, and Shou- finding peace from the anxieties that bound them. It may be a bittersweet ending, but it's a positive one.
The story has made myself and many others happy. Why is it your place to criticize something that you did not pay for or contribute to in anyway? If a story you enjoyed doesn't end the way it would have in your perfect world, c'est la vie. This story wasn't funded by you or made with you in mind.
But because it didn't end in a way that you find acceptable, you need to get on a moral high horse to find a way to criticize it. Grow up.
just noticed first pannel misses the strap of the necklace o.o in case noone told you yet.
A very cute turn to the story :> ... I like Jan, she's cute looking and fits Ken very well.
They make a nice couple. Shows that life goes on even if something horrible happens :) you can't mourn forever.
A very cute turn to the story :> ... I like Jan, she's cute looking and fits Ken very well.
They make a nice couple. Shows that life goes on even if something horrible happens :) you can't mourn forever.
Ah, oh my gosh. ;A;
This whole comic hit me in the feels. ;3;
Great job, I loved how you conveyed the desperation Ken felt in the first couple pages to get to see Shou again. ;3;
I'm sorry my brain doesn't work enough to leave a big ole comment about how wonderful I think this entire comic was, but I'm watching you now because of this. Ehehe. <3
Your style and your ability to convey emotion in your art is gorgeous and amazing. ;3;
This whole comic hit me in the feels. ;3;
Great job, I loved how you conveyed the desperation Ken felt in the first couple pages to get to see Shou again. ;3;
I'm sorry my brain doesn't work enough to leave a big ole comment about how wonderful I think this entire comic was, but I'm watching you now because of this. Ehehe. <3
Your style and your ability to convey emotion in your art is gorgeous and amazing. ;3;
I'm bi and fine with the idea of a girlfriend. My problem is how rushed the end feels. Considering this is a character we didn't meet in Kiss the Rain it leaves me mixed. I'm happy he got someone but when we don't know who this person is, it can turn A LOT of people off and just deem this newcomer a complete stranger seeing how the relationship between Ken and Shou has been presented.
Not to sound rude but in a more critical manner (at least to my taste), the "twist" would have worked if we had some background on this new character. With random intro of a new person, it kind of feels out of left field. Without the added ending of Shou in Heaven (which I feel is where the real twist is), it doesn't feel too out of place but again this just like filling an open problem too easily. But if its for set up for another comic on the process of moving on, then its too obvious. I don't think this is a bad comic. I just wish the ending wasn't as rushed.
Are people REALLY that offended about him having a girlfriend? Because we all know that loving someone regardless of gender is TERRIBLE right :/ ?
Honestly, this was a really sweet and touching story. I really liked Shou's more feminine design. Not a bad ending, it takes place a year later some move on, soem don't after something like that.
Honestly, this was a really sweet and touching story. I really liked Shou's more feminine design. Not a bad ending, it takes place a year later some move on, soem don't after something like that.
So, you can't identify with a someone being in a loving relationship, losing that loved one and being forced to confront that lost and finding the strength to move on and find happiness with someone new? That's kinda sad. Putting labels on love with restrictions and limitations on who one can love. Why.. I've hard arguments like that from somewhere before, but for the life of me I just can't put my finger on where I've heard something like that.
she never claimed that bisexuals are any better than heterosexuals or homosexuals. :/ and she never stated that all gay and straight people only care about genitals. That sounded more like it was directed at the people who got buttgurt over Ken dating a girl, and abandoned the comic or it.
For one, assuming bigotry on the part of any gay people who criticize this sudden revelation that arbitrarily removes the connection they felt with the character is really rude.
And two, it is incredibly insulting to infer that transgender people receive less hatred than gays or bisexuals just because a few people criticized a comic you like. I've seen some hateful things said about gays and bisexuals, but the vile and disgusting treatment of transsexuals in modern society blows them out of the water.
And two, it is incredibly insulting to infer that transgender people receive less hatred than gays or bisexuals just because a few people criticized a comic you like. I've seen some hateful things said about gays and bisexuals, but the vile and disgusting treatment of transsexuals in modern society blows them out of the water.
"I've seen some hateful things said about gays and bisexuals, but the vile and disgusting treatment of transsexuals in modern society blows them out of the water."
lol so now it's ok to place the mistreatment of transexuals over that of bisexuals? that sounds just as insulting as the reverse.
lol so now it's ok to place the mistreatment of transexuals over that of bisexuals? that sounds just as insulting as the reverse.
I'm not going to say that it's worse than transexual discrimination, but people like you harass bisexuals as either being 'not really bisexual' or as being inferior to those with a single sexual preference. How do I know? You've harassed me for it. It's quite ironic too, as I've never been with a woman but you have.
I'm saying that turning this discussion into the Discrimination Olympics and claiming [x] group is actually the most victimized is a shitty attempt to morally undermine people who have legitimate criticisms about this comic, and totally selfish ignorance of what those other groups have to go through.
The reason for the backlash is because the target audience for it, that being gay male furries, could project themselves into the roles of these characters. By killing off one and then making the other turn bisexual, it kind of kills that effect and as a result that target audience has no idea how to feel other than confused. There's also this kind of creepy implication that gay relationships will just lead to suffering, but I'm not going to go too deep into that.
I'm going to be brutally honest and say that both of these comics just seem rushed and not thought out writing-wise. You can get away with fly-by-night writing with a porn comic because most people aren't in it for the story, but when you're trying to ascend above that and create a serious story, the flaws become a lot more evident. It kind of reminds me of Heathen City, in that it's a porn vehicle for a rather schlocky story.
I'm going to be brutally honest and say that both of these comics just seem rushed and not thought out writing-wise. You can get away with fly-by-night writing with a porn comic because most people aren't in it for the story, but when you're trying to ascend above that and create a serious story, the flaws become a lot more evident. It kind of reminds me of Heathen City, in that it's a porn vehicle for a rather schlocky story.
"By killing off one and then making the other turn bisexual"
Ken's sexuality was never, ever stated. At all. So you can't suddenly turn somebody Bi if they're not even gay to begin with.
" There's also this kind of creepy implication that gay relationships will just lead to suffering, but I'm not going to go too deep into that."
I saw no such implication at all. It's a story about coming to terms with losing a loved one, sexuality had very little to do with it until people decided they wanted to blow a gasket over something that was an irrelevant detail.
As somebody who has lost loved ones to illness and unnatural causes, I was far more interested in the short personal journey rather than the contents of their respective undergarments.
/is also gay and not at all thrilled with the implication that bisexuality is somehow a choice or any less in need of representation than gay male relationships.
Ken's sexuality was never, ever stated. At all. So you can't suddenly turn somebody Bi if they're not even gay to begin with.
" There's also this kind of creepy implication that gay relationships will just lead to suffering, but I'm not going to go too deep into that."
I saw no such implication at all. It's a story about coming to terms with losing a loved one, sexuality had very little to do with it until people decided they wanted to blow a gasket over something that was an irrelevant detail.
As somebody who has lost loved ones to illness and unnatural causes, I was far more interested in the short personal journey rather than the contents of their respective undergarments.
/is also gay and not at all thrilled with the implication that bisexuality is somehow a choice or any less in need of representation than gay male relationships.
No, I'm not. Where are you even reading that??? o_o I said being able to love someone despite their gender is admirable. I never said anything about heterosexuals, bisexuals, or homosexuals in my comment. All I meant was that it's a pretty beneficial quality to halve. If you're able to feel attraction to more than one gender, you have more options, which is something I think is enviable.
It sounds like you're bringing in your preconceived notions of bisexuals and assuming that just because I'm bi, I'm the same as every other bisexual in the world. If that's the case, I'm sorry to hear that.
It sounds like you're bringing in your preconceived notions of bisexuals and assuming that just because I'm bi, I'm the same as every other bisexual in the world. If that's the case, I'm sorry to hear that.
why can't genetic wiring be classified as qualities? I agree that it is genetic, and I also think that it is enviable. Im not holding anyone at fault for not being attracted to certain genders. I just think that if it was a choice, wouldn't people want to be able to be attracted to both?
I never said that bisexuals are better. (omfg do people even read..? =.=) Think of it this way: If you could choose to like every food in the world, wouldn't you? You'd have a wider palate, and more options available to you. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IF YOU DONT LIKE CERTAIN FOODS, THAT MAKES YOU ANY WORSE THAN SOMEONE WHO DOES LIKE THEM (make sure you read that twice).
im so sorry you had a bad experience with a boyfriend who also liked girls. clearly that means that every bisexual will have commitment issues in any closed relationship. you're not bigoted at all for believing in such a false stereotype.
I never said that bisexuals are better. (omfg do people even read..? =.=) Think of it this way: If you could choose to like every food in the world, wouldn't you? You'd have a wider palate, and more options available to you. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT IF YOU DONT LIKE CERTAIN FOODS, THAT MAKES YOU ANY WORSE THAN SOMEONE WHO DOES LIKE THEM (make sure you read that twice).
im so sorry you had a bad experience with a boyfriend who also liked girls. clearly that means that every bisexual will have commitment issues in any closed relationship. you're not bigoted at all for believing in such a false stereotype.
The question is then, what's the point of having him suddenly turn out to be bisexual? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with bisexuality, but I'd say it's justifiable that some people feel disappointed that they lose that direct relation to the character. It ties in with my complaint about these comics feeling rushed, in that it's suddenly sprung on the reader that one of the main characters is a different orientation for no other reason than because the writer felt like it.
If it was established out the gate that he was bisexual, no one would really mind. And really, if we're to approach this from a "Death of the Author" angle, it could even be assumed that he's given up homosexuality and is pursuing complete heterosexuality for the rest of his life. These are all things that muddle what was a very simple and easy point to convey, "this character has gotten over the death of a past lover and moved on".
In the context of the narrative, what is accomplished by this sudden revelation that the main character is a different orientation than originally assumed? What does it add to make up for the fact that it causes some readers to feel a lost connection to the character?
If it was established out the gate that he was bisexual, no one would really mind. And really, if we're to approach this from a "Death of the Author" angle, it could even be assumed that he's given up homosexuality and is pursuing complete heterosexuality for the rest of his life. These are all things that muddle what was a very simple and easy point to convey, "this character has gotten over the death of a past lover and moved on".
In the context of the narrative, what is accomplished by this sudden revelation that the main character is a different orientation than originally assumed? What does it add to make up for the fact that it causes some readers to feel a lost connection to the character?
There doesn't need to be a point in having him be bisexual, because his sexuality was never a key point brought up in the comic.
Just because his boyfriend died and he ended up dating a girl next does not sufficiently indicate that he "gave up" on men. That's just your perception.
Tbh, I actually thought that Ken might be bi early on. Since Sho was so feminine looking, it seemed unlikely to me hat Ken would automatically realize he was male. I figured maybe he figured that out later on and was fine with it. Of course, that's just my opinion.
Just because his boyfriend died and he ended up dating a girl next does not sufficiently indicate that he "gave up" on men. That's just your perception.
Tbh, I actually thought that Ken might be bi early on. Since Sho was so feminine looking, it seemed unlikely to me hat Ken would automatically realize he was male. I figured maybe he figured that out later on and was fine with it. Of course, that's just my opinion.
I'm sorry, at what point did either comic get specifically labelled as being 'for' gay men? Was it just the fact that a gay male relationship was portrayed, because that doesn't make it specifically geared towards gay men, unless you're saying only gay men can possibly care about a same-sex relationship or the people involved in such.
Which, quite frankly, is a load of horseshit.
Which, quite frankly, is a load of horseshit.
Then why did the author of this comic have to come out and directly say what orientation the character was through the reveal in these last pages? Couldn't it have just as easily implied that he entered a new relationship without having to directly show what gender that person was? Saying that he is out-and-out bisexual is absolutely a limitation.
Why should the author have to conceal the girlfriend's gender? So people don't complain about his sexuality not matching theirs? That doesn't seem like a good enough reason to me. Sure, the author could have, but they didn't. Either way would've worked for me.
I don't mind a story that has some limits, I just like one that has less. Some are necessary of course. Finding the right amount is the tricky part. I was satisfied with the amount of limitations in this comic though.
I don't mind a story that has some limits, I just like one that has less. Some are necessary of course. Finding the right amount is the tricky part. I was satisfied with the amount of limitations in this comic though.
Because it's a last-minute change to an aspect of the character that some people felt they could relate to, that serves no real purpose in the narrative other than being a whim on the part of the writer. When someone goes through both of these comics under the natural assumption that this character is gay and therefore someone they could project themselves into, isn't it justifiable to feel frustrated when that connection is suddenly taken away at the last minute for no reason?
I mean, there was nothing stopping a bisexual male from projecting themselves into the character either. At no point in the story does he say anything to outright solidify himself as gay, and if he did, then I think that any bisexual readers would be equally justified to feel frustrated at being left out.
I mean, there was nothing stopping a bisexual male from projecting themselves into the character either. At no point in the story does he say anything to outright solidify himself as gay, and if he did, then I think that any bisexual readers would be equally justified to feel frustrated at being left out.
True, though as a bisexual reader of the comic, I felt the girlfriend solidified the connection I had with the character more. Perhaps I don't see the problem since it had the opposite effect on me.
I just don't feel like having a character with a different sexuality has to sever a reader's connection with a character. I've read plenty of straight character's stories, and plenty of gay ones too. And even female characters. Just because I'm not humping the same things as them doesn't mean I can't connect to a character on a different level than purely sexually.
I just don't feel like having a character with a different sexuality has to sever a reader's connection with a character. I've read plenty of straight character's stories, and plenty of gay ones too. And even female characters. Just because I'm not humping the same things as them doesn't mean I can't connect to a character on a different level than purely sexually.
You get it!
Empathy is not limited to what gender or sexuality you are. Reading these comics as a bisexual female, I still empathised and projected onto Ken's role. His sexuality made sweet little difference to this and should not be a factor for empathy. There is no difference, a relationship is a relationship and loss is loss. If you've lost somebody in your life then you'll empathise, if you've loved somebody then you'll empathise.
It's not in your pants, it's in your head.
Empathy is not limited to what gender or sexuality you are. Reading these comics as a bisexual female, I still empathised and projected onto Ken's role. His sexuality made sweet little difference to this and should not be a factor for empathy. There is no difference, a relationship is a relationship and loss is loss. If you've lost somebody in your life then you'll empathise, if you've loved somebody then you'll empathise.
It's not in your pants, it's in your head.
With the sheer lack of any portrayal of homosexuality in modern media, is it wrong for me to value what little media that does choose to do so? It helps me feel justified in my life decision when nearly everything in modern culture tries to imply that I'm the weirdo and the outcast.
Also, on another note, it's hard for me to empathize with any part of this ending when it uses a lazy dream sequence trope for the sake of temporarily bringing back a character that had an awkward and melodramatic death. The sudden revelation of the main character's orientation just affirms for me that this comic was rushed and not well thought out.
Also, on another note, it's hard for me to empathize with any part of this ending when it uses a lazy dream sequence trope for the sake of temporarily bringing back a character that had an awkward and melodramatic death. The sudden revelation of the main character's orientation just affirms for me that this comic was rushed and not well thought out.
Really got to know that character in all of 13 pages (with 4 immediately getting to a sex scene). Why I fell like I knew this guy for years. Met his family, saw his baby pictures. What an out of left field that ending was, it should have taken as long as the sex scene did to discover that he was into guys too.
Where did the author "directly say" what orientation the character was?
I did not notice a text bubble on the page that said:
"KEN IS BISEXUAL."
Therefore, the author did NOT directly say, at ANY point in time, what sexual orientation Ken is. Ken might be completely gay, for all that we know.
Additionally, I'm pretty sure (someone correct me if I am wrong) that "relationships" and "love" do not REQUIRE sexual attraction.
One can be in a relationship with a member of the opposite gender even if one identifies oneself as "gay" sexually - and is attracted to one's own gender - but LOVES the member of the opposite gender that they are in a relationship with. Love is not about shoving your genitals into someone else's (or having someone else's shoved into yours).
To be perfectly crude, you don't have to be fucking someone to love them. You don't have to be fucking someone to be WITH them. You don't even have to WANT to fuck someone to love them and want to be with them.
Also, my final point is this: this isn't your comic; it doesn't have to follow what YOU want. No one cares what you think about it, or what you want it to me, or what I want it to be. It does not have to conform to YOUR ideals, or mine. If it offends you, scrub your brain of the memory of reading it, or go write your own comic to combat its message.
I did not notice a text bubble on the page that said:
"KEN IS BISEXUAL."
Therefore, the author did NOT directly say, at ANY point in time, what sexual orientation Ken is. Ken might be completely gay, for all that we know.
Additionally, I'm pretty sure (someone correct me if I am wrong) that "relationships" and "love" do not REQUIRE sexual attraction.
One can be in a relationship with a member of the opposite gender even if one identifies oneself as "gay" sexually - and is attracted to one's own gender - but LOVES the member of the opposite gender that they are in a relationship with. Love is not about shoving your genitals into someone else's (or having someone else's shoved into yours).
To be perfectly crude, you don't have to be fucking someone to love them. You don't have to be fucking someone to be WITH them. You don't even have to WANT to fuck someone to love them and want to be with them.
Also, my final point is this: this isn't your comic; it doesn't have to follow what YOU want. No one cares what you think about it, or what you want it to me, or what I want it to be. It does not have to conform to YOUR ideals, or mine. If it offends you, scrub your brain of the memory of reading it, or go write your own comic to combat its message.
Saying "go make your own thing instead of criticizing this one!" is the laziest cop-out argument of any piece of media imaginable. Would you say that Roger Ebert wasn't allowed to critique movies because he never directed any?
Constructive criticism is really important to allowing content creators to realize where they went wrong and improve on that. You're taking criticism of this comic way too personally by trying to shut down any sort of negativity like that.
Constructive criticism is really important to allowing content creators to realize where they went wrong and improve on that. You're taking criticism of this comic way too personally by trying to shut down any sort of negativity like that.
Yeah, you're right, I'm sorry I didn't prepare a couple of paragraphs of a better thought-out argument than that. It's usually one of my fall-backs, though - if someone has the wit to criticize someone's work by attacking their perceived beliefs instead of their actual beliefs (we don't know Sal's standpoints, beliefs, or orientation), and if they want to try and tell her the way that she ought to be writing HER own work, maybe they ought to go make their own, or commission someone else to make their own.
And - constructive criticism is constructive, yes. But you blindly insisted that Sal "set" Ken's sexual orientation, when Sal did not. (Again, I think even men who call themselves still strictly gay have fallen in love with and have slept with women - I have a childhood friend who had a relationship with a woman when he was in his 20s, and still considers himself fully gay, not bisexual, because he was not "attracted" to her ladybits even though he loved her and had sex with her. He said he had to force himself to maintain a physical response, for all that he loved her. In the end, the relationship hurt them both emotionally, but that's neither here nor there.)
However, I really think it comes down to this - neither you, nor I, nor anyone, should be making decisions on what someone's orientation TRULY is. Only that person can do that. Unless they are a CHARACTER made up by someone - and then, it is the character's creator who has that privilege alone, and it is not our right to argue it. If the creator says that they're not really sure, either because they haven't given it much thought, or because the character has changed over time, then it is not our right to argue it, or to insist that we "know" that the character is one orientation or the other.
It's like the ending of a book or movie - sometimes they get left ambiguous on purpose, and we are left to speculate. We can guess all we want, and ask the writer, but they might not tell us (or say that they don't know themselves). It's not right or fair that WE say that WE "know" the answer, because the story doesn't belong to us. It belongs to them.
And - constructive criticism is constructive, yes. But you blindly insisted that Sal "set" Ken's sexual orientation, when Sal did not. (Again, I think even men who call themselves still strictly gay have fallen in love with and have slept with women - I have a childhood friend who had a relationship with a woman when he was in his 20s, and still considers himself fully gay, not bisexual, because he was not "attracted" to her ladybits even though he loved her and had sex with her. He said he had to force himself to maintain a physical response, for all that he loved her. In the end, the relationship hurt them both emotionally, but that's neither here nor there.)
However, I really think it comes down to this - neither you, nor I, nor anyone, should be making decisions on what someone's orientation TRULY is. Only that person can do that. Unless they are a CHARACTER made up by someone - and then, it is the character's creator who has that privilege alone, and it is not our right to argue it. If the creator says that they're not really sure, either because they haven't given it much thought, or because the character has changed over time, then it is not our right to argue it, or to insist that we "know" that the character is one orientation or the other.
It's like the ending of a book or movie - sometimes they get left ambiguous on purpose, and we are left to speculate. We can guess all we want, and ask the writer, but they might not tell us (or say that they don't know themselves). It's not right or fair that WE say that WE "know" the answer, because the story doesn't belong to us. It belongs to them.
SAL
NO ONE IS GETTING OFFENDED BY THE *REAL* PROBLEM HERE
KEN IS A SPECIES-CHEATER
I MEAN COME ON
HE'S A DOG
AND LIKE
HE WAS WITH A RABBIT
AND NOW A CAT
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE MANG
I'M LIKE, SO OFFENDEDS AND STUFF
^ THIS IS SARCASM IN CASE NO ONE CAN TELL AND YOU ARE ALL TAKING THIS SHIT WAY TOO SRSLY
and this comic and Kiss the Rain should have showed you all that life is too short and precious to be arguing about whether or not a made-up character is fucking GAY OR BISEXUAL, now go hug your own fucking loved ones and tell them you love them and stop worrying about characters that don't exist in real life okay
and yes I know I wasted my own time contributing to the above arguing but sometimes internet people piss me off too much and I lose my own grip on my self-control >:{
NO ONE IS GETTING OFFENDED BY THE *REAL* PROBLEM HERE
KEN IS A SPECIES-CHEATER
I MEAN COME ON
HE'S A DOG
AND LIKE
HE WAS WITH A RABBIT
AND NOW A CAT
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE MANG
I'M LIKE, SO OFFENDEDS AND STUFF
^ THIS IS SARCASM IN CASE NO ONE CAN TELL AND YOU ARE ALL TAKING THIS SHIT WAY TOO SRSLY
and this comic and Kiss the Rain should have showed you all that life is too short and precious to be arguing about whether or not a made-up character is fucking GAY OR BISEXUAL, now go hug your own fucking loved ones and tell them you love them and stop worrying about characters that don't exist in real life okay
and yes I know I wasted my own time contributing to the above arguing but sometimes internet people piss me off too much and I lose my own grip on my self-control >:{
I'm not seeing much constructive criticism. I'm seeing a lot of "I assume a different sexuality for this character and I'm mad that I was wrong." Bisexuality isn't some awful thing that authors need to warn their audiences for, and if the audience has bi-erasure problems where they see a same-sex relationship and assume gay is the only option, that's not the author's fault.
Wow...I am disgusted by a lot of these comments.
I am a proud gay man. I love other proud gay men. If another proud gay man realized he also liked girls, good for him. I prefer guys, I'm not bad. Some people prefer girls. They're not bad. SOME PEOPLE PREFER BOTH.
THEY. ARE. NOT. BAD.
Good job Sal, on producing a comic with a strong moral that everyone can take lessons from. Fuck all these haters.
I am a proud gay man. I love other proud gay men. If another proud gay man realized he also liked girls, good for him. I prefer guys, I'm not bad. Some people prefer girls. They're not bad. SOME PEOPLE PREFER BOTH.
THEY. ARE. NOT. BAD.
Good job Sal, on producing a comic with a strong moral that everyone can take lessons from. Fuck all these haters.
Suddenly you say for a 13 page comic? Couldn't it be counter argued that the fact he ended up being in a m/m relationship was 'sudden' since it only took 4 pages? What would your reaction if people in reverse complained about the protagonist ever having been with a male character and should have begun the story with a female character and ended with one?
I'm sorry, I was not addressing you. The 'strong moral' I speak of is that he moved on. Stories have time-jumps all the time. We don't know how long he's been seeing the character. There could be a sequel that explains it, but there also could not. Every story does not have to include every single detail. Sometimes it is up to the reader to decide.
Also, where the hell was the protagonist changed? The actual sexual-preference was never even given. This is not your character, this is Sal's. The author can do whatever they like with their own creation. That's just the bottom line.
However, we are NOT on the bottom-line here. This comic, for how short it was, still had the power to mess with our emotions. It was written well for just a 13-page comic. Just because someone else was added in at the end TO HIGHLIGHT THE MORAL, it does not take away from the rest of the story.
I really think people would be having much less of a bitch-fit right now if his new love was actually a guy. That's what's really sick about all this. Quit grasping at straws to suddenly bash this comic because it makes you uncomfortable.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD, that the main character was with a Femboy. That strengthens his preference more than your assumed sexuality, as some people don't care what the fuck is in your pants as long as you fit the personality they look for in a companion (i.e. feminine).
Also, where the hell was the protagonist changed? The actual sexual-preference was never even given. This is not your character, this is Sal's. The author can do whatever they like with their own creation. That's just the bottom line.
However, we are NOT on the bottom-line here. This comic, for how short it was, still had the power to mess with our emotions. It was written well for just a 13-page comic. Just because someone else was added in at the end TO HIGHLIGHT THE MORAL, it does not take away from the rest of the story.
I really think people would be having much less of a bitch-fit right now if his new love was actually a guy. That's what's really sick about all this. Quit grasping at straws to suddenly bash this comic because it makes you uncomfortable.
I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD, that the main character was with a Femboy. That strengthens his preference more than your assumed sexuality, as some people don't care what the fuck is in your pants as long as you fit the personality they look for in a companion (i.e. feminine).
You bring your own expectations of what you feel a character is and what you believe they would and wouldn't do. That's why its usually best to just wait fur the full story to be over before making those types of assumptions. I understand it's harder to do when it's a serialized comic strip with waits between pages, but ultimately its you assumptions that didn't come true to what you were expected that has people disappointed.
And f rankly, I think it's a mistake for any artist or author to make anything with "the community" in mind. Don't pander to a bunch of people you don't know who will give support and drop it at a moments notice (as many people here are clearly proving) when something) doesn't go the way they personally like. Do it for yourself and stay true to how you believe YOUR characters behave. Tell your story your own way and if people like it, good, if people don't good as well, so long as you, the person making the story like it.
And f rankly, I think it's a mistake for any artist or author to make anything with "the community" in mind. Don't pander to a bunch of people you don't know who will give support and drop it at a moments notice (as many people here are clearly proving) when something) doesn't go the way they personally like. Do it for yourself and stay true to how you believe YOUR characters behave. Tell your story your own way and if people like it, good, if people don't good as well, so long as you, the person making the story like it.
Yes, "I wanted" the character to fit the specific scenario you had built up in your own head. It now feels "thrown together" because it didn't end the way you "wanted". You invalidate the story as a whole because the character didn't end up in the situation you desired them to be in, rather than enjoying the story for what it was and the character for being who the character is (in this case bisexual).
I would say there's an irony to be pointed out in these expectations you built up without considering who the writer intended the characters to be or expecting them to get permission before hand to lay out the personalities of all of their characters rather than just reading and discovering who they were as you read (hate to see how regular books would be handed by some around here when it comes to mystery novels).
Let's look at the facts. If attention is paid to how the story begins, it's clear that the main character is peaking about someone in the past tense and then we we are introduced to the secondary character, his surprise and comments about "is this a dream' telegraphs that maybe what he's experiencing isn't REALLY happening the way he thinks it is. Using your own expressions, a viewer could say by page 4 that they felt great disappointment when the secondary character is revealed to be a male and not a female (since the artist's art style makes the character's gender appearance very vague at the beginning since more visual cues commonly identified with females is used in the character's design).
Your argument's main focus seems to be on the 'sex' scene and not the relationships scenes at all. Especially disappointment in "the second one (being) skipped". I mean, let's be honest. You are more interested in seeing male on male sex than reading a story about personalities, plot, and character resolutions and moving on. The disappointment in the main character finding a new love in a female rather than a male is very telling in fact and reveals it's truly not about the characters, in so much as in what they do and what you believe they should do.
That's frankly disappointing if non-"traditional" relationships shown in comic form must strictly adhere to either a strick Male on Male, Female on Female, or Male on Female relationships for characters at all times without any deviations or variance for those characters at all.
What the artist gave you was a very touching and sweet relationship themed story about love, letting go when one's loved one is lost, and feeling that they can move on with their life and instead some want to just focus it on a sexual relationship that if that one can't continue let's make sure that the new one is 100% like the one they previously was in, so to satisfy the sexual preference of some audience members.
Folks should be better than that nowadays. The irony of such stances should be on the nose, but clearly it isn't with some.
I would say there's an irony to be pointed out in these expectations you built up without considering who the writer intended the characters to be or expecting them to get permission before hand to lay out the personalities of all of their characters rather than just reading and discovering who they were as you read (hate to see how regular books would be handed by some around here when it comes to mystery novels).
Let's look at the facts. If attention is paid to how the story begins, it's clear that the main character is peaking about someone in the past tense and then we we are introduced to the secondary character, his surprise and comments about "is this a dream' telegraphs that maybe what he's experiencing isn't REALLY happening the way he thinks it is. Using your own expressions, a viewer could say by page 4 that they felt great disappointment when the secondary character is revealed to be a male and not a female (since the artist's art style makes the character's gender appearance very vague at the beginning since more visual cues commonly identified with females is used in the character's design).
Your argument's main focus seems to be on the 'sex' scene and not the relationships scenes at all. Especially disappointment in "the second one (being) skipped". I mean, let's be honest. You are more interested in seeing male on male sex than reading a story about personalities, plot, and character resolutions and moving on. The disappointment in the main character finding a new love in a female rather than a male is very telling in fact and reveals it's truly not about the characters, in so much as in what they do and what you believe they should do.
That's frankly disappointing if non-"traditional" relationships shown in comic form must strictly adhere to either a strick Male on Male, Female on Female, or Male on Female relationships for characters at all times without any deviations or variance for those characters at all.
What the artist gave you was a very touching and sweet relationship themed story about love, letting go when one's loved one is lost, and feeling that they can move on with their life and instead some want to just focus it on a sexual relationship that if that one can't continue let's make sure that the new one is 100% like the one they previously was in, so to satisfy the sexual preference of some audience members.
Folks should be better than that nowadays. The irony of such stances should be on the nose, but clearly it isn't with some.
My word! All these comments about him having a girlfriend! Gender and sexual identity does not keep someone from relating to a character. The more people separate genders and orientations, the more space is put between them. I'm female, and yes, bisexual, but that still makes me different from Ken. I still relate to him and feel his pain... I still think, "what if this happened to me...?" I relate to him and the story plenty. I'm sorry you've had to deal with so many unreasonable comments, SalKitten.
I know salkitten that you think you meant for Jan to be female but really I think you wanted "her" to actually be a him, especially because Jan is flat chested. So yes Jan is a male and you know you meant him to be deep down. Can't make you change the gender tag but I know you really meant Ken to be with another cute femboy cutie
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