
a longer chapter for some background story^^ hope you'll like it=)
I kinda messed up Kalnera in this one, but this was so much fun XD
I kinda messed up Kalnera in this one, but this was so much fun XD
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I was enjoying this story until you thought you needed to add silly, fairytale dragonslayer nonsense. Despite how dangerous you seem to have made Kalnera, you do not seem to grasp the fact that in a realistic world with the kind of intelligent, flying dragons you describe, nobody would dare attempt killing one because of the retribution they could inflict, which you do not seem to even realize. This is the problem with virtually all stories that need to add 'dragonslayers' thoough most that do, are written for small children who are unable to grasp these things. The kind of intelligent dragons you describe could virtually exterminate humans if they ever imposed a threat to them because humans are so dependent on agriculture. If medieval tech humans EVER threatened dragons in a realistic world, dragons could simply burn crops and kill domestic animals and the humans would starve to death, and with their intelligence and flying ability, the dragons could never be stopped. This is why most adults dismiss 'dragonslayer stories' as children's fairytale nonsense, and I must confess I have to consider your story the same now. If your world were realistic, no human would dare try to kill one, because large, intelligent dragons could retaliate in such a deadly matter. It is as ridiculous as a country attacking another country that has the only atomic bombs, and are not afraid to use them. And if humans were crazy enough to kill her mother, (which is even more ridiculous if she was friendly towards humans), Kalnera would have virtually wiped them out by now, without ever putting herself in much danger. It is amazing how people who write these kind of stories are unable to grasp how deadly large, intelligent, dragons would actually be, and why no one would ever risk giving such dragons an excuse to wipe out mankind as they could so easily do if humans were ever a threat to them. I guess you have been exposed to so many stupid dragonslayer video games, children's fairytales and b-grade fantasy stories that you are unable to grasp what a world inhabited by large intelligent dragons would really be like, and why the notion of 'dragonslaying humans' is so ridiculous (and why most inteligent adults cannot take dragonslayer stories as anything more than fairytales).
Scientists tell us that humans could have never survived if large carnivorous dinosaurs had not died out, and intelligent, flying dragons large enough to swallow humans are FAR, FAR more dangerous than any dinosaur could ever be. This is also why it is impossible for many people to take seriously any story that uses the word "dragonslayer" in it. If dragons decided to allow humans to even live, it is doubtful they would have never allowed them to have developed weapons that could ever threaten them. The people who write 'dragonslayer stories' usually never think that far in devleoping their world, but normally they do not have to, as these stories were originally just written for small children who do not know better.
Sorry to see this spoil what was becoming a good story. Good luck with your writing.
Scientists tell us that humans could have never survived if large carnivorous dinosaurs had not died out, and intelligent, flying dragons large enough to swallow humans are FAR, FAR more dangerous than any dinosaur could ever be. This is also why it is impossible for many people to take seriously any story that uses the word "dragonslayer" in it. If dragons decided to allow humans to even live, it is doubtful they would have never allowed them to have developed weapons that could ever threaten them. The people who write 'dragonslayer stories' usually never think that far in devleoping their world, but normally they do not have to, as these stories were originally just written for small children who do not know better.
Sorry to see this spoil what was becoming a good story. Good luck with your writing.
I never forced anyone to read, and I never pretended to follow any 'scientifical' facts about imaginary creatures. Sorry to think that, as a writer, I am free to imagine worlds, creatures and stories the way I like.
I still take critics into account, but I hope you'll excuse me to 'spoil' a story which I wrote.
I still take critics into account, but I hope you'll excuse me to 'spoil' a story which I wrote.
Of course you can have your little humans kill as many huge, intelligent dragons as you like in your story. But the really talented fantasy writers who write for adults are able to make fantasy creatures (like dragons), and the worlds they live in, seem very realistic to their readers. I though this was pretty good until you needed to add the fairytale dragonslayer stuff, and explained the reasons why.
Since you solicit comments, I'm merely informing you why I stopped reading this -- it has now become just another cliche, fairytale dragonslayer story which only little kids who don't know any better could take seriously.
Since you solicit comments, I'm merely informing you why I stopped reading this -- it has now become just another cliche, fairytale dragonslayer story which only little kids who don't know any better could take seriously.
You keep complaining about dragonslayer, but I never mentioned any one of them who actually manged to do this. I write about a society of humans tormented by a dragon, and in which some desperately embrace the crazy hope to succeed in gettting rid of this nightmare.
I'm responsible of what I write, not of what is interpreted
I'm responsible of what I write, not of what is interpreted
If I am not mistaken, you wrote that Kalnera's mother was killed by humans dragonslayers and this is why she is so agressive towards most humans - though ironically, if she was really mad at humans, she could have created a famine to kill them in their tens of thousands..... and that is why dragonslayer stories are so dumb. In a realistic world with dragons as large and intelligent as you describe, no one would risk killing one because the retribution could mean virtual extermination by other dragons in retaliation. They would likely be very grateful that Kalnera simply ate a few humans now and then, and do nothing to escalate this. If they had actually killed her mother, (and how they would kill an even larger and more experienced dragon is a mystery), they would likely all be dead by now.
I wrote that she didn't defend herself. Doesn't sound so unrealistic to me that an army of humans (didn't qualify them as dragonslayer) managed to kill a passive dragon.
And honestly, if I were Kalnera, I would see no point in creating a famine when I can mentally torture my prey to keep reminding them they maybe are the next one. When anger is high enough, a massive kill through famine or else doesn't have much interest. what matters is to make suffer on the long term, to keep these humans living in the fear.
Personally, I think it's dumb to think a mass killing is the worst punishment she could inflict here.
And honestly, if I were Kalnera, I would see no point in creating a famine when I can mentally torture my prey to keep reminding them they maybe are the next one. When anger is high enough, a massive kill through famine or else doesn't have much interest. what matters is to make suffer on the long term, to keep these humans living in the fear.
Personally, I think it's dumb to think a mass killing is the worst punishment she could inflict here.
While you are free to write anything you want, of course, I found this notion silly and unbelievabvle for a number of reasons. It is not a matter if Kalnera might or might not kill thousands in retaliation for the murder of her mother, but the unbelievability that a group of people would be so stupid to risk such a thing by their actions, paticularly when the dragon in question was friendly to begin with. Because the dragons are deadly-powerful, and intelligent, such an action simply doesn't make sense, and suggests the writer really doesn't take the world he has created very seriously, and that it is little more than a prop for the fetish aspects of the story. Apparently the reader isn't supposed to think about anything else, like the believability/realism of the world the characters live in. If the humans are really that stupid and dangerous to kill a dragon actually friendly towards humans, then Kalnera, and any other sentient dragons would likely need to punish the humans so severely that they would NEVER be a threat to them again. But the bigger question is if such large, intelligent dragons, would have ever let humans gain a position where they could kill dragons in the first place. This is a shortcoming in many of the stories with dragons, in which the writers really do not explore the logic of the worlds they create. Intelligent dragons would have been around when humans still lived in caves and had nothing but clubs to defend themselves, so would they have set back and let their tiny neighbors and prey develop the ability to kill them? Probably not. And why would her mother, or any living creature, simply sit back and allow itself to be killed when it could easily defend itself. This chapter essentially ruined what was becoming your best story, and for something so pointless and unbelievable in the first place. Kalnera didn't need to have her mother murdered to justify being a predator of humans. It would be perfectly natural for dragons to prey on humans because they are such perfect and natural food for them. And humans would have to accept that for if they ever did kill a dragon, it could mean their extermination, or being reduced to a stone age existence and become no more than domesticated livestock, just as humand have done to less intelligent and powerful animals in our own world.
humans are arrogant, and tend to forget how some creatures can be dangerous in the nature. Or else, there wouldn't be so many accident involving wild animals nowadays. If the dragons remained peaceful for long it seems logical to me that humans could have forgotten their true nature and how deadly they were. And try to dominate them.
For the evolution story, forgive me to bring the argument that you don't know what I have in mind for my universe. Maybe I'm not thinking about a slow darwin evolution and got something else in my sleeves. What actually bothers me is that you assume things about the universe I'm writing about and use it to tell me I'm wrong. But I'm NOT basing on the traditional style of the killer dragon, my dragons are supposed to be pacific, wise, and eat only to survive. With the exception of Kalnera and some others who have some griefs against manking. It can lead the humans of the region to think they are actually weak or lazy creatures they can kill. It makes perfectly sense since the same happens to me everyday : I'm a big guy who is so pacific that he gets annoyed by little brats I could break in a single move. I'm NOT making a story about dragonslayers, only a bunch of people who have nothing else to lose and desperately choose this way of living because they don't care about the consequences for humankind (like most people do today, so not so unrealistic)
So basically, all I see in there are rude complaints on points that don't fit the situation as well as you seem to think. I always accept critics, but you should learn there is a way to bring things without sounding so despising. Above all else, I write because I like to imagine things, silly things if it suits me. Not to follow a "science" about creatures that never existed, and so that we are free to imagine the way we want.
For the evolution story, forgive me to bring the argument that you don't know what I have in mind for my universe. Maybe I'm not thinking about a slow darwin evolution and got something else in my sleeves. What actually bothers me is that you assume things about the universe I'm writing about and use it to tell me I'm wrong. But I'm NOT basing on the traditional style of the killer dragon, my dragons are supposed to be pacific, wise, and eat only to survive. With the exception of Kalnera and some others who have some griefs against manking. It can lead the humans of the region to think they are actually weak or lazy creatures they can kill. It makes perfectly sense since the same happens to me everyday : I'm a big guy who is so pacific that he gets annoyed by little brats I could break in a single move. I'm NOT making a story about dragonslayers, only a bunch of people who have nothing else to lose and desperately choose this way of living because they don't care about the consequences for humankind (like most people do today, so not so unrealistic)
So basically, all I see in there are rude complaints on points that don't fit the situation as well as you seem to think. I always accept critics, but you should learn there is a way to bring things without sounding so despising. Above all else, I write because I like to imagine things, silly things if it suits me. Not to follow a "science" about creatures that never existed, and so that we are free to imagine the way we want.
It is very difficult to see your logic. If anything, people in a medieval-tech world dominated by huge intelligent and man-eating dragons, that could exterminate them at their pleasure, would undoubtedly regard a large adult dragon that was friendly to them, more like a goddess and protector, than risk the ire of other dragons by killing it, (not to mention the fact that once it realized they were trying to kill it, the dragon in question might survive the first attempt and kill the humans it once trusted). You seem to forget that these dragons are intelligent creatures that have family groups and exhibit maternal instincts. Your scenario is as unbelievable as the notion in our own world of the people of a tiny country murdering the visiting mother of the king of a powerful nation next to it. They would not do it because of the consequences of the obvious retaliation. Even if the dragons were largely peaceable, the humans must still realize the terrible danger they represent if humans ever betrayed them. It may be easier for you to dismiss this as you are simply writing a story, and you have probably been bombarded with lots of childish dragonslayer nonsense that makes it difficult to realise how dangerous, awe inspiring and feared such creatures would be if they actually existed, and you were among the people at their mercy. In all liklihood, the people of your world, just like early human cultures around are own world, would regard the dragons as their gods. Science does indeed play a role in your world. Your dragons are biological creatures that eat, sleep, breathe and can die. They appear to be reptilian in nature. Therefore, if the intent is to make a adult story, it makes sense to draw on what we know of real animals to make the fantasy ones seem realistic to your readers.
So it's apparently not understandable I see dragons of my world as a wise specie that respects life and prefered to not start a war that would indeed lead to the genocid of humankind over their individual life. especially when it could have cost the life of a hatchling (Kalnera in that case)
It's apparently unbelievable too that over years of peace and respectful distance, humans began to see dragons as weak creatures and only waited an excuse to try and take over. It's commonly known that humans consider what's different as frightening, and so as ennemy. And sorry to assume it, but to me arrogance and hatred don't lead to intelligent acts. If humans haven't had any contact with the dragons, it seems pretty logical that they didn't measure the consequences before acting.
As for science, magic, and any kind of anachronism that appears in my stories, they all have a purpose and an explanation I don't reveal from the , but I would be a terrible writer if I didn't let some mysteries. Having the reasder thinking things are impossible, or asking how is that possible, is part of a story teller.
But indeed, if you assume I'm thinking like you or writing the way you want from a supposedly 'scientifical' point of view, you're losing your time with me. I don't hold you back. I write because I like to make up universes, not to follow others'.
It's apparently unbelievable too that over years of peace and respectful distance, humans began to see dragons as weak creatures and only waited an excuse to try and take over. It's commonly known that humans consider what's different as frightening, and so as ennemy. And sorry to assume it, but to me arrogance and hatred don't lead to intelligent acts. If humans haven't had any contact with the dragons, it seems pretty logical that they didn't measure the consequences before acting.
As for science, magic, and any kind of anachronism that appears in my stories, they all have a purpose and an explanation I don't reveal from the , but I would be a terrible writer if I didn't let some mysteries. Having the reasder thinking things are impossible, or asking how is that possible, is part of a story teller.
But indeed, if you assume I'm thinking like you or writing the way you want from a supposedly 'scientifical' point of view, you're losing your time with me. I don't hold you back. I write because I like to make up universes, not to follow others'.
No, it clearly is not understandable. Any thinking creature would naturally value it own life over a foreign species, particualrly so over humans so evil that they would kill a friendly dragon. And how would you imagine humans that killed this friendly dragon (not that they locially could in the first place), leaving Kalnera alive to grow up and make terrible revenge against them? Of coure they would have killed her too, just one more hole in your story. You also do not seem to understand that a dragon so friendly to humans would be FAR more valuable alive than dead. What human would not want to ride on a 'tame' dragon? What nation would not want a dragon on their side if there was ever a war with another human nation. The nation with dragons on its side would always be victorious. You are a good writer, but you really aren't thinking everything out to the most logical conclusion. You think you have humans kill Kalnera's mother, to justify her cruelty, when it is the nature of carnivores to be cruel. Kalnera would have also been killed for the humans could never afford to leave her alive to avenge her mother. Like I said before, this whole dragonslaying business does nothing to help your story, it simply turns it into an unbelievable children's fairytale.
Fine, I understand that your mind can only handle one pattern and that other's vision is s**t to you. I based some character and way of thinking on behaviors/people I know, but it's not realistic to you. You claim I write fairy tales, but coincidence, dragons are no more real than dragonslayers. Which I think gives me authority on how I want to imagine it. In any case, I'm not changing it because it doesn't suit your vision. If you truly despise my work feel free to not read it. But I don't see the point in spending so much energy to annoy someone on something he produces for free. Cheers.
I am certainly no wasting my valuable time to annoy you, I have wasted it because I thought the story had a good beginning as my first comments have proven, but even then I had the concerns that it would devolve into a silly dragonslayer story, because most amateur fantasy writers think they have to have humans kill dragons or the story won't be complete. I have presented excellent arguments to who you why this is ridiculous but you simply can't help it. Perhaps when you get older you will nderstand these things. I tried my best, but see you are locked into writing fairytale cliche nonsense because you are not original enough to do otherwise. And yes, I'm not going to waste any more time reading this story because it no longer makes any sense. I stated this above after I first read this chapter, but decided to make these comments in the hopes that you were adult enough to accept constructive critisism. I see that I was mistaken. Good luck and have fun.
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