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NOT MY ART!!! 
did this for me! Now that that's said!
Have a small rant, not about this piece or the artist but something that happened surrounding this involving how two artists handled me asking for a commission of this very same character
This is my character General. He is a white Swiss shepherd war dog. I do not currently have what most would call a reference sheet. I have simply a, well now 2, head shots of this character and a good physical description.
He is white all over with black pawpads, nose, horns, lips, and gums. His skin is otherwise very dark as per the breed. He has 3 scars staring at the back of his left shoulder going to his right hip on the front crossing his chest. He has 3 more on his left upper leg and 3 more on his left lower arm.
This is the physical description I have used to commission him from several artists. Now my rant pertains to the day I commissioned this piece and ATTEMPTED to commission one from another arts whom I will not name.
Mondeis was awesome and worked with my lack of character sheet. Being such an easy character I have not had a problem with this so far. Mondeis is an artist of rather amazing skill. Then an hour later I went to another artist, payment in hand for an icon. They had a rather cute icon idea and I wanted one. But when I sent the head shot and the above description their response was as such.
"I am sorry but I must decline your commission. You can try again with you have a full 3 turn ref sheet."
I was rather stunned at this. The icon was a chibi icon and I tried to get her to work with me but she/he stated that they will not work on any piece, including head shots (which is what this icon called for) without a full ref sheet.
Needless to say I will never attempt to commission this artist again even when I do have a ref sheet.
So can I ask your opinion? Would you accept a commission without a ref sheet of a good word description, like the one above, is provided? I mean for people who take ref sheet commissions... Don't you normally only have loose doodles and word descriptions to go off of? And this artist mentioned above, what if he/she was commissioned for a ref sheet? Wouldn't, according to her policy, mean that I have to have a ref sheet to get one? I just don't know what to do with this situation. It seems all just wrong to me.
did this for me! Now that that's said!Have a small rant, not about this piece or the artist but something that happened surrounding this involving how two artists handled me asking for a commission of this very same character
This is my character General. He is a white Swiss shepherd war dog. I do not currently have what most would call a reference sheet. I have simply a, well now 2, head shots of this character and a good physical description.
He is white all over with black pawpads, nose, horns, lips, and gums. His skin is otherwise very dark as per the breed. He has 3 scars staring at the back of his left shoulder going to his right hip on the front crossing his chest. He has 3 more on his left upper leg and 3 more on his left lower arm.
This is the physical description I have used to commission him from several artists. Now my rant pertains to the day I commissioned this piece and ATTEMPTED to commission one from another arts whom I will not name.
Mondeis was awesome and worked with my lack of character sheet. Being such an easy character I have not had a problem with this so far. Mondeis is an artist of rather amazing skill. Then an hour later I went to another artist, payment in hand for an icon. They had a rather cute icon idea and I wanted one. But when I sent the head shot and the above description their response was as such.
"I am sorry but I must decline your commission. You can try again with you have a full 3 turn ref sheet."
I was rather stunned at this. The icon was a chibi icon and I tried to get her to work with me but she/he stated that they will not work on any piece, including head shots (which is what this icon called for) without a full ref sheet.
Needless to say I will never attempt to commission this artist again even when I do have a ref sheet.
So can I ask your opinion? Would you accept a commission without a ref sheet of a good word description, like the one above, is provided? I mean for people who take ref sheet commissions... Don't you normally only have loose doodles and word descriptions to go off of? And this artist mentioned above, what if he/she was commissioned for a ref sheet? Wouldn't, according to her policy, mean that I have to have a ref sheet to get one? I just don't know what to do with this situation. It seems all just wrong to me.
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Personally, I would feel ok with working with a character if it's just of description. But furthermore I would send over all kinds of previews and sketches to show the progress and to see if it looks like it should. If the markings are in place etc. Just because it's hard to give someone something, form which you don't have any real visual.
But if you would have a chibi and say the anatomy is like a shepherd dog and he has no other markings, that would be good for me.
I guess it just depends on people who are better or worse in working with non-visual material.
But 3 full rotation, is a bit far fetched for me. The point of drawing, is having a 3D idea in your head and interpret the design and not just copy+paste it without thinking. It's connecting the lines, isn't it? Or that's just my opinion. :)
But if you would have a chibi and say the anatomy is like a shepherd dog and he has no other markings, that would be good for me.
I guess it just depends on people who are better or worse in working with non-visual material.
But 3 full rotation, is a bit far fetched for me. The point of drawing, is having a 3D idea in your head and interpret the design and not just copy+paste it without thinking. It's connecting the lines, isn't it? Or that's just my opinion. :)
I don't know... His markings don't really come I to play in most head shots so when this other artist demanded a 3 turn ref sheet I was just annoyed more than anything. If an artist with this much skill can work with the head shot I provided why couldn't another artist. He isn't a difficult character in any sense.
Personally I don't see the problem with it then. (If the marking can shift a bit) But something I noticed from experience myself from earlier days is that if you're not confident about your own art and you're doing commission, that you really want to have some good material to work with, because you don't want to mess up. I don't know if it's the case here or not.
Even so, having to work out a character with the owner itself can be fun. I did some pieces like that also a time ago, just sketching and doodling and sending mails to the owner for feedback and personally I think this helps him/her to define better their character and so they also 'see' it for the first time come to life. It's more intensive work then just working on your own finishing a piece, but yeah. Everyone his way of working? There are plenty of artists out there, so I guess you can find someone who fits your needs better. Even though it's not nice to hear of course!
Even so, having to work out a character with the owner itself can be fun. I did some pieces like that also a time ago, just sketching and doodling and sending mails to the owner for feedback and personally I think this helps him/her to define better their character and so they also 'see' it for the first time come to life. It's more intensive work then just working on your own finishing a piece, but yeah. Everyone his way of working? There are plenty of artists out there, so I guess you can find someone who fits your needs better. Even though it's not nice to hear of course!
I already found another artist I was just seeking thoughts on the matter. Another reason I left the names out of it. I don't want the artist to get hit with, why were you like this, sorts of comments. I still enjoy their art I just don't think I will commission them
In short my thought would be that if I'm not sure about it with just description or with simple ref's, I would ask the client to give plenty of feedback to be sure they get what they want.
(Didn't want to hurt anyone or so with these comments, I just sent out my thoughts about why I would or would not do this kind of work)
It's a good idea keeping the names out of it, just to keep it a neutral concept you're talking about.
And great to hear! ps. Love the artwork you got for your shepherd :)
(Didn't want to hurt anyone or so with these comments, I just sent out my thoughts about why I would or would not do this kind of work)
It's a good idea keeping the names out of it, just to keep it a neutral concept you're talking about.
And great to hear! ps. Love the artwork you got for your shepherd :)
I have worked with many people who didn't even have a clear idea of the character they wanted me to draw. As an artist, when working with those people, I think it is only common courtesy to sit with them and help them create their character. Had you for instance asked me for a headshot icon and given me this as a reference, I'd be more than happy! It's plenty to go by, and if a customer gives me a short description of a few details I mustn't forget about, it is enough. More than enough... Artists who cannot live with that... well, it's their choice, but I find it silly.
As an added comment, I love your character ~ Mondeis drew him really beautifully!
As an added comment, I love your character ~ Mondeis drew him really beautifully!
Thank you! General is my love! I haven't had him that long this I don't even have a full body image yet. All I have been getting of him is head shots or chibis. But ever artist has been willing to work with the description I have given and none have disappoint in using it. I just don't see why a 3 view turn around was needed for a head shot when I provide a head shot of the character as ref.
Personally I'm usually willing to work off text description...
But I understand why some artists won't work without a ref sheet
if they go off text there's a higher chance of them getting something wrong and having to put time and effort into corrections. Plus it's easier to go off a visual reference.
However if it's a simple character and you have a visual reference already, like a headshot, I don't really see the need for a three turn ref
that's a bit over kill... especially for a chibi lol!
But I understand why some artists won't work without a ref sheet
if they go off text there's a higher chance of them getting something wrong and having to put time and effort into corrections. Plus it's easier to go off a visual reference.
However if it's a simple character and you have a visual reference already, like a headshot, I don't really see the need for a three turn ref
that's a bit over kill... especially for a chibi lol!
sounds like a lazy artist to me :/
sure it makes it EASIER to have a visual ref. and eliminates possible errors. but id not turn down a customer text ref unless it was SO convaluted i couldnt a) understand it b) my minds eye cannot visualize what they are wanting or c) its super complex and im not confident i wouldnt mess it up
sure it makes it EASIER to have a visual ref. and eliminates possible errors. but id not turn down a customer text ref unless it was SO convaluted i couldnt a) understand it b) my minds eye cannot visualize what they are wanting or c) its super complex and im not confident i wouldnt mess it up
Truthfully while I can see this is a super simple character I still can get why someone would refuse to work off description? :c I've had experiences where It's required 3-8 edits because it wasn't exactly what they wanted. (even on something as simple as a mini people can be demanding and it really isnt something you should take personal) I can see it just being kinda a worry that you'll have to go through that process and it can be really frustrating when you have other commissions lined up that do have a proper ref and can eliminate that risk? :c maybe try and not be too harsh on them, being an artist can be tough and I know its really disappointing but from my perspective and my past experiences I can't really blame them? While I personally still work from description I really can understand why others would not... and in the end it's really the artists decision on what will make their life easier. (while I'm sure you are not, there are a LOT of jerky commissioners out there that just make peoples lives a lot more difficult than they need to be)
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