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It's fictional, yes real life child pornography should be hated. Because it's hurting an actual real life person.
Not all cub furs are pedophiles. That's a stereotype.
That's like saying all furries are animal fuckers, or all gays have aids.
Not all people that enjoy cub art hunt down children in real life.
Just like not all furries want to fuck animals.
Someone is enjoying something fictional in the privacy of their own home not hurting a soul.
I don't see the problem with it.
Not all cub furs are pedophiles. That's a stereotype.
That's like saying all furries are animal fuckers, or all gays have aids.
Not all people that enjoy cub art hunt down children in real life.
Just like not all furries want to fuck animals.
Someone is enjoying something fictional in the privacy of their own home not hurting a soul.
I don't see the problem with it.
"It's fictional, yes real life child pornography should be hated. Because it's hurting an actual real life person."
Just because a character is fictional doesn't make it right. All you are doing is dehumanizing a representation of something. If I made a drawing of a 10 year old child that lived down the street being molested it would still be wrong even if the child was white, black, asian, ect, or a fox fur. Even if what the art shows isn't real, or didn't happen doesn't make it right.
"Not all cub furs are pedophiles. That's a stereotype."
Are we using two different definitions of what cub porn is and what a pedophile is? Or are you still going on about how "it isn't real so it's okay". Or are you saying pedos only apply to human kids.
"That's like saying all furries are animal fuckers,"
In the sense that they want to fuck something not human, yes. I'd stick it in Bowser. Maybe not all furrys would actually have sex with a real furry but enough would you could say it.
"or all gays have aids."
You don't need to have aids to be gay but you can't be into cub and not also be pedo.
"Someone is enjoying something fictional in the privacy of their own home not hurting a soul."
I'm not "hurting a soul" when I plan out a school shooting, get the supplies and than sit around in my house fantasizing about it, but I'm still being fucking creepy as all get out and it would be fair to argue I have a problem.
"privacy of their own home"
Except it isn't private. It's posted on the internet, the art at least, and the comments and likes and so forth. They are still making it public to degree.
Just because a character is fictional doesn't make it right. All you are doing is dehumanizing a representation of something. If I made a drawing of a 10 year old child that lived down the street being molested it would still be wrong even if the child was white, black, asian, ect, or a fox fur. Even if what the art shows isn't real, or didn't happen doesn't make it right.
"Not all cub furs are pedophiles. That's a stereotype."
Are we using two different definitions of what cub porn is and what a pedophile is? Or are you still going on about how "it isn't real so it's okay". Or are you saying pedos only apply to human kids.
"That's like saying all furries are animal fuckers,"
In the sense that they want to fuck something not human, yes. I'd stick it in Bowser. Maybe not all furrys would actually have sex with a real furry but enough would you could say it.
"or all gays have aids."
You don't need to have aids to be gay but you can't be into cub and not also be pedo.
"Someone is enjoying something fictional in the privacy of their own home not hurting a soul."
I'm not "hurting a soul" when I plan out a school shooting, get the supplies and than sit around in my house fantasizing about it, but I'm still being fucking creepy as all get out and it would be fair to argue I have a problem.
"privacy of their own home"
Except it isn't private. It's posted on the internet, the art at least, and the comments and likes and so forth. They are still making it public to degree.
"Just because a character is fictional doesn't make it right." I didn't realise fictional characters had a concept of right and wrong, you know because they don't exist.
"All you are doing is dehumanizing a representation of something." just like how video games dehumanize people as you mow them down in GTA or Saints Row? and yet most people seem to be completely fine with that. Last time i checked murder was worse than any sex crime.
"If I made a drawing of a 10 year old child that lived down the street being molested it would still be wrong even if the child was white, black, asian, ect, or a fox fur. Even if what the art shows isn't real, or didn't happen doesn't make it right." What is right? what is wrong? an opinion, that's all it is. Different people have different concepts of right and wrong to people. There's plenty of rape and murder art up here yet no one is being outraged at that, why is that? Why don't we take down snuff art? or rape? those are "dehumanized representations" things.
"Maybe not all furrys would actually have sex with a real furry but enough would you could say it. " and there yo go promoting negative stereotypes. I'm not suprised.
"but you can't be into cub and not also be pedo" um yes you can, i know plenty of cub furs that don't go out and rape children.
"I'm not "hurting a soul" when I plan out a school shooting, get the supplies and than sit around in my house fantasizing about it," Long as you don't do it i don't see the harm. But once you ACTUALLY do something that hurts someone then there's a problem.
"but I'm still being fucking creepy as all get out and it would be fair to argue I have a problem." opinion
"Except it isn't private. It's posted on the internet, the art at least, and the comments and likes and so forth. They are still making it public to degree." it's called expression, people need to express themselves less they go mad. It's safe and not hurting anyone. Would you rather them bottle up their feelings then have it explode and have them hurt a real life person?
No one is making people look at that kinda stuff, the people that want to see that stuff are the people that look at it. A drawing, of something that doesn't exist. If you don't like it don't look at it, simple as that. No need to spread hate about something in your opinion "isn't right" Alot of people see furries as "not right". don't you realise you are being someone exactly like that. You aren't actually fucking animals you are just drawing or looking at drawings of them. No one get's hurt and we can all move on with our lives.
I'm just going to agree to disagree, I've made my points and got what i wanted of my chest, and I'm done here. Bye fatigue i really enjoyed your stuff untill now. Hope you don't spread anymore hate after this.
"All you are doing is dehumanizing a representation of something." just like how video games dehumanize people as you mow them down in GTA or Saints Row? and yet most people seem to be completely fine with that. Last time i checked murder was worse than any sex crime.
"If I made a drawing of a 10 year old child that lived down the street being molested it would still be wrong even if the child was white, black, asian, ect, or a fox fur. Even if what the art shows isn't real, or didn't happen doesn't make it right." What is right? what is wrong? an opinion, that's all it is. Different people have different concepts of right and wrong to people. There's plenty of rape and murder art up here yet no one is being outraged at that, why is that? Why don't we take down snuff art? or rape? those are "dehumanized representations" things.
"Maybe not all furrys would actually have sex with a real furry but enough would you could say it. " and there yo go promoting negative stereotypes. I'm not suprised.
"but you can't be into cub and not also be pedo" um yes you can, i know plenty of cub furs that don't go out and rape children.
"I'm not "hurting a soul" when I plan out a school shooting, get the supplies and than sit around in my house fantasizing about it," Long as you don't do it i don't see the harm. But once you ACTUALLY do something that hurts someone then there's a problem.
"but I'm still being fucking creepy as all get out and it would be fair to argue I have a problem." opinion
"Except it isn't private. It's posted on the internet, the art at least, and the comments and likes and so forth. They are still making it public to degree." it's called expression, people need to express themselves less they go mad. It's safe and not hurting anyone. Would you rather them bottle up their feelings then have it explode and have them hurt a real life person?
No one is making people look at that kinda stuff, the people that want to see that stuff are the people that look at it. A drawing, of something that doesn't exist. If you don't like it don't look at it, simple as that. No need to spread hate about something in your opinion "isn't right" Alot of people see furries as "not right". don't you realise you are being someone exactly like that. You aren't actually fucking animals you are just drawing or looking at drawings of them. No one get's hurt and we can all move on with our lives.
I'm just going to agree to disagree, I've made my points and got what i wanted of my chest, and I'm done here. Bye fatigue i really enjoyed your stuff untill now. Hope you don't spread anymore hate after this.
Cub, child, or characters that are otherwise not legally able to concent to a sexual act should never be included in pornographic or material that is intended for sexual arousal and gratification. And any one supporting cub, baby,child ect. Involvment in such media, deserves every bit of negative ridicule, judgment, and social dissatisfaction towards them. Sex with kids is just yucky and morally wrong.
There is a reason why fatigues face in the lower panel looks like a bowl of angry disgusted spaghetti.
Hate of this subject matter should be encouraged to proliferate until pedophile pornography ceases to exist whithin the furry community. All it does is bring bad reputation to the majority of decent individuals.
So stop encouraging these people, who shit in the furry pool ruining things for every one else.
There is a reason why fatigues face in the lower panel looks like a bowl of angry disgusted spaghetti.
Hate of this subject matter should be encouraged to proliferate until pedophile pornography ceases to exist whithin the furry community. All it does is bring bad reputation to the majority of decent individuals.
So stop encouraging these people, who shit in the furry pool ruining things for every one else.
It's fictional, yes real life child pornography should be hated. Because it's hurting an actual real life person.
Not all cub furs are pedophiles. That's a stereotype.
That's like saying all furries are animal fuckers, or all gays have aids.
Not all people that enjoy cub art hunt down children in real life.
Just like not all furries want to fuck animals.
Someone is enjoying something fictional in the privacy of their own home not hurting a soul.
I don't see the problem with it.
Not all cub furs are pedophiles. That's a stereotype.
That's like saying all furries are animal fuckers, or all gays have aids.
Not all people that enjoy cub art hunt down children in real life.
Just like not all furries want to fuck animals.
Someone is enjoying something fictional in the privacy of their own home not hurting a soul.
I don't see the problem with it.
I think morality is something no furry has a right to call upon others. Our real life activities should speak more than our fantasies. And here is you, the morally right furry person, speaking of general hatred to imaginery content that shouldn't be that different from vore or rape or incest or hypnotism or general snuff, as well as gore. Furthermore, I am positive there are alot more watersport furries than actual child predators in real life.
Speak for yourself, but the majority of those decent individuals aren't as decent as you actually think. But yeah, let's totally tunnel vision a fantasy someone has because it's easier to target than others :D That's totally what the decent people do.
I actually want to apologise in case your comment was sarcasm though! xD I am as good as Sheldon cooper when it comes to that sometimes!
Speak for yourself, but the majority of those decent individuals aren't as decent as you actually think. But yeah, let's totally tunnel vision a fantasy someone has because it's easier to target than others :D That's totally what the decent people do.
I actually want to apologise in case your comment was sarcasm though! xD I am as good as Sheldon cooper when it comes to that sometimes!
I hate the following pornographic materials, cub/child porn, rape, snuff, gore, blood, poop, Farting, hyper, ect.
I do like mild Ws and cum play
But if it falls into the category as nonconsensual, torture, death, or degradation I will hate it and the people who find it worth promoting and support it's proliferation well you can join the many members in the ranks of fucking douchebags and poor excuses of dehumanizing pieces of Shit who fall from the bowels of cave dwelling trolls with rectal cancer.
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I do like mild Ws and cum play
But if it falls into the category as nonconsensual, torture, death, or degradation I will hate it and the people who find it worth promoting and support it's proliferation well you can join the many members in the ranks of fucking douchebags and poor excuses of dehumanizing pieces of Shit who fall from the bowels of cave dwelling trolls with rectal cancer.
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You know they use to allow the NSFW cub "art" on FA years ago but 
dragoneer banned it because one of the ad providers complained about it.
dragoneer banned it because one of the ad providers complained about it. 
No, they banned it because the law changed on what was considered Child Pornography in the United states. The law was changed to include artwork of "Underage Characters" and so therefore furry art was no longer just some weird gray area under the law. Since FA is hosted in the United States, they could have been federally prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for harboring what the US Government now considered child pornography. Inkbunny I believe is not hosted in the United States and therefore can get away with it.
I've been around this site in one form or another since it began. I've seen all the dirty little scandles that 'Neer and company don't want people to know about. It happened as I stated. Also, FA has always been open to lawsuits because there has never been a disclaimer stating "This site for 18 and over" and its super easy for minors to make an account and see porn. Theres no real way to verify a users age. Heck one of the old admins "Henrywatson" or some such thing was a minor. :icondragoneer was pro cub back in 2006 and he use to go around FA defending it but now he acts like he hates it.
There were plenty of users who said the same thing when the ban came down. It just seemed odd to everyone how dramatically dragoneer changed his stance on the subject. I mean he literally went from "Its just art guys" to "Must ban pedo art".
dragoneer changed his stance on the subject. I mean he literally went from "Its just art guys" to "Must ban pedo art". 
That's not what they said at the time. It was pretty clearly an issue with the payment processor, and FA wanted to keep processing payments (although I doubt they ever got that AlertPay account back).
Yup. Its rather controversial and a lot of people don't even want to talk about it. I absolutely abhor all manner of cub art. I mean, its cute when you draw a kid and all that, I mean, furs are cute, so obviously child furs are cuter, however, and I've had this argument a million times it seems, art is an outlet to let out fantasies in a healthy manner, its not real, therefore its not illegal. I, however, say bullshit to that, all manner of cub, lolli, shota, kiddy porn that's drawn is made exactly to encourage people who are pedophiles, whether they practice the act or just hide the fact they think children are hot and fap to it. I am completely and totally against it and I'll adamantly stomp my foot and refuse to see any work that may have nsfw child porn, cause that is what it is. It goes a bit more personal too, as I had an ex who was arrested for pedophilia. Have fun waking up to the FBI knocking at your door looking for the fuck. Yes, he LOVED cub art and shota porn, I used to not think much of it but now I know better. Yes I expect flame for this but its ok, I'm sure SOME people just think its cute, but I strongly believe that most just have such an attraction buried deep inside them and are just ashamed to let it out into the light.
I completely agree, they should not exist. Psychologically speaking its a deviation of sexual attraction. When we first hit puberty, we are attracted to people our age or maybe a little older as a role model. As we mature, we lose that attraction to the immaturity and prefer more adult partners. Pedophilia is basically a brain who never matures in the sexual sense. It stays locked in that pre teen attraction. I hope that in the future they find a way to actively treat that with more then just therapy. This of course can get flame saying that homosexuality is in the same boat but that is bull, I'm as gay as it comes and there are documented cases of over 120 (if memory serves correctly) of homosexual relationships in the animal kingdom. I know for a fact lions, dolphins and chimpanzees do it so as far as that's concerned its not just a human condition, but as far as I can tell, pedophilia IS a human condition. I sure as hell don't know any other animal in the animal kingdom that gets off fucking cubs.
their are animals who rape kill each other including said animals listed and some even being necrophiliacs, not justifying pedophilia but I wouldnt doubt it being prevalent elsewhere in the animal kingdom.
and yeah its bullshit to assume al homosexuals are pedophiles any more then it would be for heterosexuals given the fact the latter have been tolerated to some degree in many cultures , even in the bible you had moses and his gang take virgin girls as their sex slaves after killing their families.
and yeah its bullshit to assume al homosexuals are pedophiles any more then it would be for heterosexuals given the fact the latter have been tolerated to some degree in many cultures , even in the bible you had moses and his gang take virgin girls as their sex slaves after killing their families.
DUCKS! Ducks are the evilest of creatures lol
As for the bible, sorry, but I don't believe in a book of "God" written roughly 20 or somewhat years AFTER the death of Jesus and written by around 200 men who got together to decide what was best to follow (I hope I am not getting those numbers jumbled up...). Catholicism and its branches are just an evil religion because any religion that teaches its followers to have hatred and discriminate, to not truly love and tolerate and that have a god that punishes is evil to me. And hell, look at history, the sheer genocide of people they did under "purification". There are good people in them, but it doesn't justify their atrocious morals. One could argue its just bad people, and it is, but if you study the moral codes of various religions, there are very few that flat out tell their followers that certain groups are bad and evil. *expects flame war*
As for the bible, sorry, but I don't believe in a book of "God" written roughly 20 or somewhat years AFTER the death of Jesus and written by around 200 men who got together to decide what was best to follow (I hope I am not getting those numbers jumbled up...). Catholicism and its branches are just an evil religion because any religion that teaches its followers to have hatred and discriminate, to not truly love and tolerate and that have a god that punishes is evil to me. And hell, look at history, the sheer genocide of people they did under "purification". There are good people in them, but it doesn't justify their atrocious morals. One could argue its just bad people, and it is, but if you study the moral codes of various religions, there are very few that flat out tell their followers that certain groups are bad and evil. *expects flame war*
While the actuall porn is fictional, and there are no actuall child victims, it is still, in a nutshell, pedophilia. It is still creepy, unjustified, and very explicit. So while you are free to render it, view it, and support it, Those who ditest furry themed pedophilia are free to express there utter disgust, unrest, and disapproval of the art work and the people who produce, support, and consume the abomination that is cub porn.
There is nothing to morally justify it's existence.
If you cannot go out in a shirt or a hat with the words " I love cub porn" without feeling embarrassed or the stink eyes of thousands of people who ditest your existence, it must not be morally acceptable.
There is nothing to morally justify it's existence.
If you cannot go out in a shirt or a hat with the words " I love cub porn" without feeling embarrassed or the stink eyes of thousands of people who ditest your existence, it must not be morally acceptable.
For someone who's not used that type of porn, both anthro and feral could be considered bestiality. Anthros may share many things with humans, even more that any living creature... but they are still not humans.
Take for example monkeys, they are humanoid and very smart creatures, but they aren't humans. If you are attracted to a REAL monkey you will be a zoophilic, but if you are attracted to an drawing of a monkey, you are just into feral/anthro.
(Sorry, but it's the only animal I could somehow compare to anthros)
Take for example monkeys, they are humanoid and very smart creatures, but they aren't humans. If you are attracted to a REAL monkey you will be a zoophilic, but if you are attracted to an drawing of a monkey, you are just into feral/anthro.
(Sorry, but it's the only animal I could somehow compare to anthros)
Well, gee, I'm ahead of the curve, because whenever I see G-Rated cub art, I automatically cringe, because I assume that either the NSFW version exists somewhere--if not on InkBunny, at least in the artist's own head.
A surprising number of things can be spoiled by just remembering that what you're looking at is probably someone's jerk-off material. ;)
A surprising number of things can be spoiled by just remembering that what you're looking at is probably someone's jerk-off material. ;)
Heh, Fatigue has seen things that cannot be unseen.
I go to Inkbunny sometimes, but only for one account that I happen to be rather fond of. Otherwise I tend to stick to FA. As for cub porn... eh, it could be worse. At least its not -real-. Besides, spend any length of time on the internet and you're going to need to visit Mindbleach ( http://mindbleach.org/ ) to scrub some of those mental images out.
I go to Inkbunny sometimes, but only for one account that I happen to be rather fond of. Otherwise I tend to stick to FA. As for cub porn... eh, it could be worse. At least its not -real-. Besides, spend any length of time on the internet and you're going to need to visit Mindbleach ( http://mindbleach.org/ ) to scrub some of those mental images out.
Well I don't need to view cub art and cub artists to know I hate it, doing so would just rile up unnecessary anger, besides I would never go and protest on a cub artists page knowing the only people that will actually see it are people who follow him/support cub art. I have better things to do with my time that get bashed by people who get off to kid/cub porn :C
I have no stance or preference on the debate itself or the images it concerns. I'm not currently well-informed enough on the issue to make a rational judgement. I just want to know what's the legal perspective and that's it.
Because if it's not legal, then half of the people here, on DeviantArt, and just about every other art site would get arrested because, for example, there's not one Sonic the Hedgehog character who's over 18 (not counting Shadow, who's well into his fifties chronologically but 16 biologically, and Eggman, who nobody wants to see anyway).
Because if it's not legal, then half of the people here, on DeviantArt, and just about every other art site would get arrested because, for example, there's not one Sonic the Hedgehog character who's over 18 (not counting Shadow, who's well into his fifties chronologically but 16 biologically, and Eggman, who nobody wants to see anyway).
you furries are a strange lot. always so quick to judge without realizing how easily you yourself can be judged in turn.
people who get off on fictional creatures that are part animal and part human should be the last ones casting stones at others for their tastes in pornography.
sure it is the bondage-lover criticizing the blood-fetishist, but just because one kettle is more black it doesn't make the other pristine.
people who get off on fictional creatures that are part animal and part human should be the last ones casting stones at others for their tastes in pornography.
sure it is the bondage-lover criticizing the blood-fetishist, but just because one kettle is more black it doesn't make the other pristine.
Eheheheheheh....
I was amused by the reaction, but even more amused by the comments. I know I get in people's faces about stuff sometimes, but at least it's about stuff I think matters XD.
I lolled even harder when I looked closer at some of the commentors.
Your pic though, is sublime conceptually; no judgements, just your honest, visceral reaction. Humble and truthful.
I was amused by the reaction, but even more amused by the comments. I know I get in people's faces about stuff sometimes, but at least it's about stuff I think matters XD.
I lolled even harder when I looked closer at some of the commentors.
Your pic though, is sublime conceptually; no judgements, just your honest, visceral reaction. Humble and truthful.
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