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1899 French Land Cruiser "Provence" work in progress
As we all know, the four crude "land monitors" that broke the siege of Petersburg in the fall of 1864 were the progenitors of the great land cruiser fleets that commanded the great continental plains through to the end of the century, and the French Lorraine class were among the last of that august line. I'm building the "Provence" as she appeared during the Third Franco-Prussian war of 1899 as part of a group build for Galaxy Hobby's (of Lynnwood WA) SciFi model contest. As she was originally built with the intent of being posted in Algeria, she had the longer prow and retractable spike/skid of those hulls in colonial service, but was held back for the Alsace Fromage Crisis of 1898 and was then on-hand for the ensuing Third Franco-Prussian war. All I have done so far is the basic hull, a scratch-built vac piece with evergreen scribed sheet for the deck effect, while the main turret is still on the lathe for final finishing. As it is in 1/160 scale, the model measures out to about 9 1/4 in./23.5 cm.
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no, they weren't walkers, it was pedrail wheel,, a propulsion device made prior to tracks by DIplock - same engineer , who invented "chainwheel". His chainwheel truck became base of first tank developed ever. Pedrails variansts were consideerd too weak and hard to fix for combat vehicle
H.G.Wells mentions Diplock's pedrai wheel as source of inspiration for his landcruisers
H.G.Wells mentions Diplock's pedrai wheel as source of inspiration for his landcruisers
Weird thing, it seemed that all the experiance and progress in land cruiser design all went out the window around the turn of the century and the later, smaller tanks all very much a "re-inventing the wheel" effort. True, the classic land cruiser was made obsolete by the deployment of attack Zepplins, but it is a shame that they have so completely vanished from history, with the exception of the one specimen hidden away in Australia.
Made Obsolete by the Zeppelins? I would not think that would be the only reason. Scaling the trenches might be another reason, but I think the main reason would have been the crater pocked battlefields of the time. Getting high-centered on rough terrain would be a bad thing.
this article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_in_World_War_I was helpful on the subject.
Still, what would have happened if they had gone with the original land cruiser design? Would Land Dreadnoughts be far behind or even possible? I can imagine multiple banks of caterpillar tracks along it's length. Small hills might be a mobility problem for such a thing, but nothing would equal the firepower...
this article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanks_in_World_War_I was helpful on the subject.
Still, what would have happened if they had gone with the original land cruiser design? Would Land Dreadnoughts be far behind or even possible? I can imagine multiple banks of caterpillar tracks along it's length. Small hills might be a mobility problem for such a thing, but nothing would equal the firepower...
They fell backward because their technology and speed of construction were too outdated. With ship, hull could be built for 10-15 years and when finished, would be fitted with state of the art artillery and machinery, hull wasn't becoming obsolete. With tank it was hull what became obsolete first.
There were frnch landships, FCM F1, set of which (every with own name, like a ship)were finished before WWII started but never saw combat action. And germans considered them technically obsolete.
There were frnch landships, FCM F1, set of which (every with own name, like a ship)were finished before WWII started but never saw combat action. And germans considered them technically obsolete.
The various 20th C. landships were still just tiny shadows of the grand landcruisers which had come before. Didn't know about the FCM F1 but there is a nice model kit of the CHAR 2C that I'm working on and there is a new kit of one of the Russian KV-based multi-turret vehicles.
The greatest, or at least largest/heaviest landcruisers were those of Imperial Russia and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, in several instances, literal land-battleships. At least one Russian unit was reworked into a maritime coastal defense monitor and served in the Great War. Though smaller only in degree, a German landcruiser, one of the last to be broken up, brought into a Hamburg ship scrapper's yard without any real notice, caused a minor panic as it was mistaken for an "instant" armored cruiser during one of the rounds of the battleship builder's arms race of the turn of the century.
The greatest, or at least largest/heaviest landcruisers were those of Imperial Russia and the Austro-Hungarian Empire, in several instances, literal land-battleships. At least one Russian unit was reworked into a maritime coastal defense monitor and served in the Great War. Though smaller only in degree, a German landcruiser, one of the last to be broken up, brought into a Hamburg ship scrapper's yard without any real notice, caused a minor panic as it was mistaken for an "instant" armored cruiser during one of the rounds of the battleship builder's arms race of the turn of the century.
And when I say "land battleships", I mean multi-thousand ton, hundreds of feet/more than 100 meter long battleships on land. Pretty much useless but very impressive. Again, the advent of attack Zepplins and their ability to bomb precisely from great heights spelled the end of the landcruiser, much in the way "Billy Mitchell and the Battleships" caused the Navies of the world to rethink air- and sea-power in that classic tale of early science fiction.
The Germans made some tentative plans for one in WWII - the P-1000 Ratte - but it never got past the drawing board. Its dimensions were comparable to the Lorraine class, at 35m long (or 39m including gun overhang).
Funny you should mention that. While drafting up that and other super-sized projects, some old veterans scoffed at how badly they were re-inventing the wheel. Germany's landcruiser heyday had units more than twice as big with better performance with steam power. True, the largest gun fitted back then was only 32cm, but they were expected to maneuver in combat not unlike ships at sea, not just function as barely mobile fortresses.
Interesting. Your tastes in modeling have become very esoteric.
Me, I can't seem to finish anything. I've been working on a Russian helicopter for years ... every now and then, I break it out, and after a few hours filing and sanding, get sick of it and put it away for another few months. What really dampens the spirit, though, is that I have no idea where I'll put it! There is literally no space to display another finished model that isn't on an already crowded shelf within inches of the ceiling where it can't be seen!
Me, I can't seem to finish anything. I've been working on a Russian helicopter for years ... every now and then, I break it out, and after a few hours filing and sanding, get sick of it and put it away for another few months. What really dampens the spirit, though, is that I have no idea where I'll put it! There is literally no space to display another finished model that isn't on an already crowded shelf within inches of the ceiling where it can't be seen!
Okay, know the work and liked it, but don't follow it all that much as I'm less impressed with the writing(or at least the American translations). I do like a lot of what I've seen in anime, but there is so much and I don't have a clue as to what's hot and what's not, so haven't gotten into it all that much.
Here is a link to some earlier land cruiser stuff http://www.furaffinity.net/view/8685162/
I think it was also known as the War of the Lacey Gauntlet, so named for the glove that was slapped across the face of a leading aristocrat and general, which lead to almost immediate hostilities (after the luncheon, of course, it was such a delightful spread). Then again, I could be confusing the two, as they did happen roughly at the same time, in the same theater of war, and with the same belligerent nations.
Ah, now I remember! It was also known as the Dueling War, as the two generals, while ostensibly fighting each other at the behest of their governments during the War of 1899, completely disregarded their orders to wage a private war between them over honor. After nearly a year of fighting, the war came to an amicable end, as they agreed to let the matter drop because they were in danger of not making it home for St. Barnaby Day dinner, which would've been the greater sin.
Ah, now I remember! It was also known as the Dueling War, as the two generals, while ostensibly fighting each other at the behest of their governments during the War of 1899, completely disregarded their orders to wage a private war between them over honor. After nearly a year of fighting, the war came to an amicable end, as they agreed to let the matter drop because they were in danger of not making it home for St. Barnaby Day dinner, which would've been the greater sin.
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