I love giving helpful critque and commenting about peoples styles.

but this is so true from what i've seen :c

it would be funnier if it wasn't so true XD
well done

Lol that s funny but so true

yeah!!! expectation and reality... and reality bites!!.............

Then there is digital art :B Like sketches being sold for 100+ dollars. Then again its usually about the demand being driven by people who will pay anything.

Not acurate! It is only worth 160 most... then 16k once you die.. :P

trully.. well done.. ^.^

Going to be honest, I would not pay more then 40 dollars for something digital. If it were a painting or something I could hang in my house it would be different.

But what about the quality of the work, and the time that went into it? Digital work can of course be printed on nice-quality photo paper and hung on a wall

Unless it is a really well done painting, a piece of digital art made in Photoshop or GIMP is not going to be worth more than $40, unless of course multiple characters are involved.

I wish I could spend $1,600 on something...if I did, I would probably just use it to pay down my loans. *pet-pets*

Yup, we get fucked, haha.

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Haha, amazing :3 I just had a similar experience today, so this made my day.

LOL

The reality offer should be about $10.

Here I was thinking the reality offer was "Man, I really wish I had some money because I REALLY want to get some art from you, but I'm broke and my best friend's cousin's dog's brother has cancer and I can't afford it. So if you wouldn't mind giving it to me for free because I need it so badly..."

All too true.

if it's a traditional drawing, i'd pay that much...digital and prints are another story but i love traditional originals

Value is based on popularity by my experience. Two artists of equal skill, or maybe even the less popular one is better. The more popular artist does a ych and bids go into the hundreds, other artist asks for a price that reflects the time spent on the work and nobody pays it any attention.

The feels

The same thing happens in the trades. A customer will mentally calculate how much they think material costs and try to haggle a price based on that alone with no regard to the time and skill it took to create the work in question.
Gotta work a little salesmanship in there somehow, make the customer want to pay your price. Or at least make them _think_ they're getting some kind of deal. >:)

I wanna hug the little guy in the last panel. :P

nice PR for your page there..you basicly just stated you are ripping off your customers/treating them as though they are stupid....not very tactful of you even if it is often that way in the business world,outright stating that you are doing it on a public fourm is not the smartest move..just good advice for the future

I dont have a page or customers so.... meh to you!

I am saying that anyone who commissions you right now on your FA page is a fool as you just stated you are ripping them off and dont give a damn.

Those furs need to stick to their velvet elviss

muy buen pensamiento es divertido ver las dos caras del arte del dibujo la que en cierta forma seria la deseada y la otra de la realidad excelente dibujo

He's so adorable.. I just wanna go up and hit that big bad wolfie and then huggle the poor little guy....

Based on the text, I'm assuming English isn't your maternal language. You might not think it's a big deal, but if there's text in a picture, it really brings down the quality when the speech is awkward and/or there are errors.

"Furrys and furry artists"
The plural of furry is furries*

"your expressions are too alive"
This comes across kind of weird, since the context seems to be implying it's a compliment. If someone says that something is too much a certain way, that's usually a bad thing. It means there should be less of it. "This is too small" means it needs to be bigger, not just a comment on how small it is.

"Or do you think your worth more"
you're*
You're = you + are
Your = something belongs to you
Ex: You're (You are) wearing a hat. It is your hat (the hat belongs to you).

"$15 dollars"
Redundant. $ means dollars. You should either put "$15" or "15 dollars". Putting both is awkward. You didn't do it the other times you mentioned money, so it might just be an accident. Either way, you should proofread before posting, especially in a piece that's claiming you should be paid based on "quality".

I'm too lazy to pick apart the text more, since it becomes less specific and just that the text is very clunky. I can understand what you're trying to say, but it sounds extremely odd to a native English speaker.

On a style side, it's just kind of an ugly font. Random letters look capitalized in the middle of the sentence, since the only difference is that they're slightly bigger. Some of the letters look more Cyrillic, even though English uses Latin script, making them look out of place in English words.

A lot of artists throw their hands up and say "who cares?" when it comes to written language. "You get what I meant!" Well... if I draw something that looks like toddler art of a tree, can I claim that I should be treated the same as Bob Ross because you "get what I meant"? A picture is more than the sum of its parts. Spelling, grammar, and syntax errors on a picture drag down the quality, even if the picture itself is fine.

I think it's fine, and actually imparts a somewhat charming character to this little fun comic. I feel bad for the artist, though, who will return to see your massive criticism that came out of nowhere.

Not really out of nowhere. The picture is saying that artists should be paid better because the quality is high. I'm pointing out how poor spelling, grammar, and syntax is a part of assessing quality when it's part of the artwork. By not proofreading this post properly, the message kind of rings hollow. It looks exceedingly unprofessional, undermining the message that they should be paid like those that work as artists full-time.

Thanks for the observation on the grammar. As you can notice, I'm not a natal english speaker, so I always need help to be improving in this language that is turning universal.
Just one point, I think $10 dollars is not redundant, because it can be $10 mexican pesos, $5 argentinian pesos, $10 suns, and all of them has the symbol "$"
Here in mexico we use to express the dollars with two lines on the S instead just one, so 1 line means pesos, two lines dollars.

When you're writing in English, it's considered redundant. If you want to specify a certain currency, you'd write it "five/ten/twenty American dollars", and not use the $ symbol at all. An alternative way to write using symbols would be to say "it costs $5 US". Using "$" and "dollars" next to each other is incorrect in English.

Here's a discussion about it: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...../t-337555.html
A good comparison is you wouldn't ever write "100m metre dash".

Also, native* English speaker.

Why do gringos allways think the $ symbol is exclusive to the USD D:
World is bigger than their country, I wonder if they are aware of that.

Yeah totally remind myself heh ^^ but it's true in reality.

No estoy muy de acuerdo con la diferencia de digital y tradicional. Ya que lo que estás pagando es por una obra personalizada con los gustos que tu quieres, no tanto por un pedazo de papel o un lienzo. No es tanto lo material, sino lo artístico.
Y bien yo he pedido comisiones a artistas que me encantan, y cuando me lo entregan, inmediatamente busco la manera de imprimirlo para enmarcarlo.
No es tanto que no sea el original, sino que es LA pieza que el artista me hizo a mi, y eso vale mucho.

Igual el arte tradicional llega a internet y todos lo pueden tener de forma digital. Pero en algo tienes razón, el material con el que tu te quedas obtienen más valor, al menos con los coleccionistas y como material de subasta.
Pero ha sido muy extraño, han habido inumerables veces que me han pedido dibujos tradicionales como comisión, y yo siempre doy la opción del envío, pues a mi me encanta poder enviarlos y que reciban el trabajo original en sus manos.
Desafortunadamente la mayoría no quieren pagar por el envío y se conforman con el dibujo en su computadora, y aquí yo tengo un portafolio y una caja llena de cuadros que yo me quedo (pues no habría espacio para colgarlos todos en mi casa, además que vivo en un lugar rentado y muy chiquito).

For digital art work hell no im not going to pay a upwards of $1000 for it I make digital artwork and i would never expect that much money out of someone that's ALOT of cash, many digital artists it seems have insanely inflated egos.

If it was a painting to hang on my wall that view would change but its not its a digital piece i'm sorry but that would not be worth thousands of dollars.

I'm not agree about the diference between digital and traditional, it must be the same. Because you are paying for a customized pieces with the details that you want to see, not so much for a piece of paper or a canvas. It's not the material, but the artistic.
I've been asked for commission to artist that I love, digital works, and when they send me the fail, immediately I use to print it and frame it. Because it's not so much if it's or not the original, but that's THE master piece the artist did for me, and that worths a lot.

art seems to be under appreciated these days

I need a pic like this for fursuits. Would you mind if someone took the idea and did a fursuit one? XD

LOL have these people never been to an art auction? For any work, let alone a customized commission, you won't walk out without dropping at least $100. Artists have bills to pay!

Completaly agree with this. Bravo :D

not once did i say art is not worth money nor did anyone else in this comment section check your assumptions at the door,i'm saying art is not worth 1000s of dollars unless it is a peice of history or very very old,a furry asking me for over 400 dollars for a commission (especially if its a digital one) is not getting my business. also lol "artists have bills to pay" this is true but often times furrys are trying to pay their bills when they charge insane prices and you KNOW it(a matter of fact we have had artists on this COMMENT SECTION admit to ripping people off claiming its just how business is,as though its actually 100% ok).

Also using an art action as an example is misguided at best,as prices at those things are often over inflated,as is the artists sense of entitlement and ego, not to mention there have been NUMEROUS CASES of art auction fraud.

bills to pay is fine but using Photoshop for instance is digital that doesn't cost you much to do,i will pay you a fair price but when a furry starts asking me for $ is the high 300s or more i go elsewhere.,this kind of thing(the insane overpricing) is especially promanit in the furry community,as anyone who questions it as a logical and intelligent consumer is flamed intensely(as you and others have demonstrated)

furry s are afraid to ask questions.of other furrys as a result,don't get me started on the other issues that have proven time and time again to be a major problem in our community

1:furry artists not actually dilvering the art but taking the money(robing people essentially)
2:commissioners taking the art but not paying the money(also robing people)

need to fix an error i meant *Are not trying to pay their bills

LOL 1.) I made this comment 2 WEEKS AGO and you're just posting this now, and 2.) I wasn't even replying to you, calm yourself nigga.

some of us dont spend all day online every day

Neither do I, and the fact I have a job and a real social life can attest to that. It's just that the statute of limitations of a comment section on a furry site tends to not extend this far, and that I wasn't even replying to you, let alone even HEARD of you makes me go LOL WUT? Where did you come from? Why are you riding my nuts as opposed to anyone else on here?

I'm a music artist and I actually bought a primo Les Paul Guitar for $89 when a guitar is cheaper than art you may have set you're prices too high. But what do I know I'm a musician who writes and plays music for free, hell I don't care if people pay me I'd do it anyway. The moral of story is money is a dick or maybe I'm the dick every artist seems to think so.

Oh god I bet I just triggered a shit-storm, well damn.

I typically like to pay around $90-$150 for a single character digital picture - I think that's rather fair, factoring in that rates for furry artwork are indeed low. Now if I'm asking for the same level of detail on an oil canvas painting, where the artist basically has virtually no means of "going back" or altering the picture majorly as it's being made, then yeah, we can speak in the $1,600 margin.

Nevertheless, furries do get the underhand treatment when it comes to their standard rates - unless of course you're some popufur porn peddler or you just happen to be Pyrosity. :P

90 to 150 is beyond fair when goes to 300 plus then i laugh and move on as thats clearly the artist trying to play you for a fool(and it happens all the time in our community).

of corse questioning that gets you flamed by other con-furs and the sheep follow.

I allow buyers to make offers and have never intentionally charged more than $15. I also work in traditional art which has every reason to be more expensive. I'm not the greatest artist but I like to think my pricing is somewhere below where it could be. Assuming the art is good, $90 to own a quality painting on canvas is fair. But most of the artists who enjoy this are probably digital. And apparently the idea is that he's generously asking $90 when he should be getting $1600.

My point is, furry artists need to get over themselves. And I say that as someone who has no interest in buying art whether it's $1,000 or $1. I mean, there's always going to be a market in the "stupid/porn obsessed" demographic so it's not like these artists can't prosper, but all the martyring is getting old.

This makes me feel bad, I never realized artist at most(?) times get treated bad. I, personally give my full patcience and respect to artist, and always easy to work with. I some how feel like paying more than What the artist offers especially if it's the only way artist make a living...

I just found this and i have to say i can picture it from both sides... As a buyer you want something nice but are often close to broke so you try and haggle or try and lower the price. As an artist however you are trying to bring the price up because it took so much time and possibly materials to make it.