I couldn't agree with ya more on this.

Not as long as corps and the rich keep buying the politicians and feeding the lower class with bs.

As long as you mean all cooperations in that statement. Big oil and Big solar equally then yes I agree. and as long as you mean people like the Coke Brothers and Michel Bloomberg then yes both parties are so stuffed with money from the unholy alliance of big government and big business that yeah its unlikely well ever get a chance to vote for some one worth more than a hill of beans.

Yes, Bloomberg is nearly as much of a fascist douche-bag as the Koch Brothers.

And while i desire no corp to have more power than the people, it would be nice to see clean energy at least get an advantage over big oil.

There are rich folks n corps that want to hold society back and keep the status quo, then there are a few rich folks who think only they are right and want to tell everyone what to do. Finally there are some rich folks and corps that would enable society to move forward, but those are so few compared to the rest of the previous mentioned.

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

I mean I'm all for "cleaner" energy( that works) but truthfully how about no government alliances with any businesses and let people choose green energy on their own.

oh and Don't think I've forgotten you big oil and the fact that 5 companies have a strangle hold with the help of the government on its sale and production.

But is it not evident by the recent elections, that many can't accept change and or have been fooled that it is bad (tho only about 20% of the pop voted...) Like a little kid (pun intended) you sometimes need to drag people kicking and screaming along before they'll realize that the change was/is for the better.

So many of these green companies are faltering because of the expensive research needed with lil profit. while fossil fuels require lil research and reap great profits. And then those profits are used in the government to bribe/lobby for loopholes n such and work against any green investment.

We (humanity) need to get past this greed bs.

mmmhhhhhh, but humanity will never get past its own nature so why not use it against it ? greed can be used to motivate people to create a safer world, marketplace and better living for everyone.I assume you feel that the democrat's or at least the current administration is/was doing some good. I personally disagree as I've seen little if any good come out of the last 8 years and I do not expect the republicans to do any good ether in the coming year as they seem to just be democrat light. As for the green company's many of them shut down with out even producing a single product, and a large amount such as Amonix , Solar, Solyndra, ect. (see the above list of companies) had over $3.9 billion in federal grants and financing flow into 21 of the companies many of home declared bankruptcy within 5 years and their "creators and investors" kept millions of federal dollars for themselves as settlement. I personally think the evidence tells us that the republicans are in bed with big oil and the demarcates are in bed with "green energy" which seems to be equally as corrupt if not worse.*shrugs* as stated above we need less government telling us to do the right thing and more people doing the right thing.

We havnt seen much good come of from this white house cause the repubs felt the need to block most of what the black man was putting forth and the dems have always been a lil too ready to bend for the repubs but not vice versa.

As for the green companies, i'm not surprised a lot of "railroad baron" is coming into play. But how do you fix that?

Now tell me, do you really see that many rich democrats vs rich republicans? What party has at least tried to help the greater good more? Which party has sought to keep the status quo (rich get richer while serfs get poorer)?

Now you kinda contradict yourself. How do you expect people to do the right thing, if they are already demonstrating that they cant?

yes I do see rich democrats vs rich republicans lets look at the numbers
Senate race 2014

Dems people running 58 $263,997,216
Repubs people running 137 $285,182,268

now lets look at this if we devide it down by the numbers each party will have spent on each candidate.
Dems spent $4551676 per candidate.
Reps spent $2081622 per candidate.
so looking at it this way the Democrats out spent the republicans Three times over in 2014.

Now lets look at the top 20 donors in the united states and who they donate to from 1989-2014.

1 ActBlue $124,142,516 Dem99% Rep0%

2 National Education Assn $73,795,236 dem47% rep3%

3 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $66,986,218 dem77% rep 0%

4 National Assn of Realtors $64,805,267 dem37% rep39%

5 AT&T Inc $59,456,031 dem41% rep58%

6 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $48,593,414 dem90% rep1%

7 Goldman Sachs $47,497,295 Dem52% Rep44%

8 American Assn for Justice $45,216,290 Dem85% Rep7%

9 Carpenters & Joiners Union $45,093,750 Dem67% Rep9%

10 United Auto Workers $43,364,375 Dem71% Rep0%

11 Laborers Union $41,402,639 Dem82% Rep7%

12 Service Employees International Union $40,652,457 Dem83% Rep2%

13 Communications Workers of America $38,450,995 Dem85% Rep0%

14 American Federation of Teachers $38,050,160 Dem91% Rep0%

15 AFL-CIO $37,855,693 Dem52% Rep2%

16 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $37,473,121 Dem82% Rep0%

17 Teamsters Union $36,373,152 Dem91% Rep5%

18 United Parcel Service $34,216,308 Dem35% Rep64%

19 Citigroup Inc $33,910,357 Dem48% Rep50%

20 National Auto Dealers Assn $33,904,010 Dem31% Rep68%

the way I see it, looks like the Democratic party is as controlled by big money as the Republicans.*bows respectfully*

now to answer your "What party has at least tried to help the greater good more" that comes down to what you define as "help" and "the greater good" my personal view can be summed up in a quote by Benjamin Franklin- "Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." now are you referring to "help" as in social programs that hold the poor at a level just above starvation, with out encouraging them to try to better themselves? because I do not find that to be helpful or for the greater good, also this is exactly what we need to avoid don't compare parties compare people because both parties are our enemy's never forget that.

I am one of those that donates to/thru Actblue. Its money is made up of individual small contributions from joe smos like me.

I really would like to know where your getting your numbers. As what I've understood, much of the money is funnelled thru small fronts so we dont know where its coming from, like American Crossroads, Americans for Prosperity, among other super pacs.

This is just one article
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/06/u.....-off.html?_r=0

All i can say is, I saw numerous, numerous ads either attacking the Dem candidate or selling for the Repub candidate, but very little going the other way which fits with more money being spent on the repub person not the dem person unlike what your numbers are trying to say.

Now, dont go twisting my words, as i never said a thing about liberty/safety. Both sides have been hypocrits when its comes to granting or taking away liberties. But who wants to deny equal pay? Who wants to deny same-sex marriage? Who wants to ban guns? No ones individual rights should be infringed on. Legislation needs to be directed towards corporations and give us the tools needed to bring them to justice when they break the laws while educating not legislating away individuals and personal responsibility.

So do you really think its better to let them starve? Let them be forgotten/overlooked more than they already are? Then we also need to get rid of humane centers, cause thats the same thing, right?

The point of many of the programs is to give them an opportunity. Many will take it while some will give in to human laziness and stay poor.

Always A wise Idea to check things people claim to be fact .My sources are as follows, for the 2014 senate race. http://www.fec.gov/disclosurehs/hsnational.do on this one you have to work a little math yourself unless you just trust the word of these people https://www.opensecrets.org/overview/ ( which I didn't until I checked it my self and found it to be sound) My source for the top twenty is https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php (and the FEC as stated above) this is just math and numbers no agenda or position.

Ive got two problems with that articular you have sighted. Manly being this phrase

"All told, Republican outside groups spent about $205 million on television advertising in Senate races, according to a Democrat tracking media purchases, who agreed to share the information on condition of anonymity, while Democratic groups spent $132 million."

........."who agreed to share the information on condition of anonymity" they failed to sight during or after any sources aside from this "Anomus Democrat trackers" who, you know couldn't have any kind of agenda right?( also this is the Times newspaper which has a history of blindly backing Democrats and no I don't get my news from Foxs thank you ).

If by equal pay you mean for equal work, then why don't we look at the democrats own staffers pay? (this one a hard one as you have to go through a massive amount of paper work to get to it but basicly demcratic staffers are paid 91 cent to every male dollar.) http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-CD.....C-113sdoc2.pdf http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-CD.....-113sdoc17.pdf ( once again it takes a lot of searching and headache but these people have a aggenda so I had to before I trust them. http://freebeacon.com/politics/sena.....-war-on-women/ )

Second, Yes you are right the Republican party thinks the government should define marriage however here are all current members of the Democratic party who voted in 1996 for DOMA ( the defense of marriage act) ( source http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L.....amp;vote=00280
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/vo...../104-1996/h316 )

The Senate
Baucus, Max (Mont.)

Biden, Joe (Del.) (Now Vice President)

Harkin, Tom (Iowa)

Leahy, Patrick (Vt.)

Levin, Carl (Mich.)

Mikulski, Barbara (Md.)

Murray, Patty (Wash.)

Reid, Harry (Nev.)

Rockefeller, Jay (W. Va.)


House of Representatives

Hilliard, Earl (Ala.)

Pastor, Ed (Ariz.)

DeLauro, Rosa (Conn.)

Brown, Corrine (Fla.)

Bishop, Sanford (Fla.)

Rush, Bobby (Ill.)

Durbin, Richard (Ill.) (now senator)

Visclosky, Peter (Ill.)

Neal, Richard (Mass.)

Cardin, Benjamin (Md.) (now senator)

Hoyer, Steny (Md.)

Cummings, Elijah (Md.)

Levin, Sander (Mich.)

Dingell, John (Mich.)

Peterson, Collin (Minn.)

Andrews, Rob (N.J.)

Menéndez, Bob (N.J.) (now senator)

Schumer, Charles (N.Y.) (now senator)

Lowey, Nita (N.Y.)

Kaptur, Marcy (Ohio)

Blumenauer, Earl (Ore.)

Doyle, Mike (Penn.)

Reed, John (R.I.) (now senator)

Clyburn, Jim (S.C.)

Johnson, Tim (S.D.) (now senator)

Hall, Ralph (Texas)

Doggett, Lloyd (Texas)

Green, Gene (Texas)

Johnson, Eddie (Texas)

Rahall, Nick (W. Va.)

now they may have changed their tune but that doesn't change the fact that they voted for it the first time. I personally think its a states and peoples matter not a federal matter, but that is just me personally both parties seem to have at one point believed in DOMA just like the war in Iraqi.And the Democrat party seems to only take a stand on an issue when it seemed convenient for them, so no I would say the Democratic party only stand by something when it looks to gain them votes.On banning guns is that a positive or a negative in your eyes cause that's a completely different discussion but yes the Democrat Party would like to get rid of legal Gun ownership.

I apologize if you felt I was accusing you of not believing in liberty or safety I was not I was simply putting out MY VIEW of the greater good that being limited government and freedom at the cost of self control.I of course agree that both parties are trying to take away our rights and freedoms.

On the topic of legislation to take down corrupt corporation I believe we simply need to....
A. not allow monopoly's to be formed through the unholy marriage of government and corporation (something already in law that both parties seem to do with a great fervor as seen above from my green energy and big oil statements)
B. as south-park stated," guys why don't we just not shop there if we don't like them."

No sir I do not think its better to let them starve( please do not imply that I do as I at no point made the statement "I want all poor people to starve and die") I do however think we need to cute down on fraud within the welfare system.That's something I believe we can all agree on, yet Big government opposes even the basic Idea of a drug test and proof of residence for those requesting aid something I have to provide to the government to do many things such as Pay my tax's, get insurance, license, travel.

It may at one point have been the goal to help people, but corruption in the welfare system is coasting the average American tax payer between $9.0 - $13.5 Billion dollars every year.( source https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/about/ and originally here but they have a agenda http://www.roanen.com/presidential-.....aud-costing-us)

as stated above I do not Think ether party is exempted both are corrupt and both are controlled by money.

also I must say I actually have the opposite view, that there hasn't been a single issue the republican party has even tried to stop from this administration, Obmacare, the debt ceiling, open borders,War policies. What specific things are you thinking of when you are referring to things that the reps stopped or apposed?

on the question of contradicting myself you are correct, I made what appears to be a verbal gaff allow me to reword it if you would please.

Which do you think does the most damage? Bad people or Bad Government?for example would you agree that it is more dangerous to have a government that makes laws deciding who you can and cant marry, rather then having a less powerful government that does not promote ether sides of the argument. what im trying to say, is it not better to have power spread out among the largest amount of people possible that way a few bad apples don't spoil the bunch as opposed to concentrated power in a large centralized government that changes its standards on right and wrong based on who is in power and who can easily become corrupted and controlled by a small group of elites,

I remember once George Washington said let there not be political parties... 2000 and beyond proves his point.

this says so much about society, and yet we live in one
10/10 i fapped