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This has been a topic that has generated some rather strong opinions on the subject http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1195507/ http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1495251/ The previous design was from the A&K Prime dreamscape and is a world that closely mimics current events in the real world.
This design for a Personal Defense Weapon, PDW, comes from the A&K-1 universe where Earth has been fighting off an alien invasion for over two years now. All the Earth governments are working on a wartime economy. The problem confronting strategists is that aliens which Earth has been able to keep from establishing a strong base on the planet are still capable of dropping forces almost anywhere on the planet at anytime. Yes many of these attacks are repelled or greatly diminished before they finish they're drop from orbit, but you can still end up with enemy forces landing where you have no full-time ground forces stationed. Therefore it has become important to arm a good portion of the general population to provide them with some level of self-defense and to act as stop-gap militia until regular forces show up on the scene. In many ways the entire world looks like Israel.
One of the key weapons of that arsenal is this PDW. Where as the previous PDW design, see top, I posted the only thing I was trying to do was create a weapon that had better range than a pistol; here the designers of this world were trying to create a small carbine-like weapon. The designers still had to confront the same problems that the first designers would've encountered such as wildly varying heights, weights and body strengths while at the same time providing a weapon with a cartridge that enough oomph to be of some use. In this case several new elements are added to the equation.
This was a weapon that had to be mass-produced in very large numbers. Whereas the first PDW design I posted the manufacturer would be very happy if they produced and sold 200,000 units, in this world 6 to 7 million of this design would be needed just to start the arming process! Then you'd needed to allow for continual replacement for attrition and further expansion of the program. Since the worlds governments are all ready pouring their economies into the war this thing would have to be made on the cheap! Valuable aluminum and titanium alloys are being slated aircraft and high priority projects. All available CNC and polymer manufacturing is also primarily targeted for front-line forces. What's available still? Steel-stamping and lots of it! Yes it makes it heavier than ideal for a PDW but it's available.
In many ways this PDW design has more in common with WWII weapons than with newer designs of the post Cold-War era. No investment casting, no stainless steel, no polymer frames. It is almost as if someone was trying to reinvent the STEN gun. Just with better quality control. No complex curves or shape to it. Machining is kept to an absolute minimum and again simple shapes only. It designed to be produced by companies and members of the population who probably have never fabricated weapon before.
In many ways it is very crude device, and yet it still has some neat little bits of design in it. Grip panels can be changed to allow the widest range hand sizes to use it. Instead of a trigger the weapon has a squeeze-bar. This allows people with weak or small hands use their entire hand strength, or if the person was wearing mittens they fire it without taking them off.The front handgrip also acts as screwdriver and as the handle for the cleaning rod that stows on one side of the weapon.
Unfortunately it is right hand eject only, southpaws either fire it from the right or not at all, but it made the design simpler. It has two modes of fire, semi-auto and three round burst. With a 30rd magazine you get 10 bursts then its reload time. There are no tritium sights. No picatinny rail system for dotscopes. lasers, and tactical lights. It has a basic two position aperture sight and the front can only be adjusted by an armorer.
It is meant for civilians who have passed a qualification course and are then expected to have with them at all times. It fires a small caliber HV cartridge that trades some stopping power for increased penetration and reduced recoil impulse. Very much like a FN P90.
This design for a Personal Defense Weapon, PDW, comes from the A&K-1 universe where Earth has been fighting off an alien invasion for over two years now. All the Earth governments are working on a wartime economy. The problem confronting strategists is that aliens which Earth has been able to keep from establishing a strong base on the planet are still capable of dropping forces almost anywhere on the planet at anytime. Yes many of these attacks are repelled or greatly diminished before they finish they're drop from orbit, but you can still end up with enemy forces landing where you have no full-time ground forces stationed. Therefore it has become important to arm a good portion of the general population to provide them with some level of self-defense and to act as stop-gap militia until regular forces show up on the scene. In many ways the entire world looks like Israel.
One of the key weapons of that arsenal is this PDW. Where as the previous PDW design, see top, I posted the only thing I was trying to do was create a weapon that had better range than a pistol; here the designers of this world were trying to create a small carbine-like weapon. The designers still had to confront the same problems that the first designers would've encountered such as wildly varying heights, weights and body strengths while at the same time providing a weapon with a cartridge that enough oomph to be of some use. In this case several new elements are added to the equation.
This was a weapon that had to be mass-produced in very large numbers. Whereas the first PDW design I posted the manufacturer would be very happy if they produced and sold 200,000 units, in this world 6 to 7 million of this design would be needed just to start the arming process! Then you'd needed to allow for continual replacement for attrition and further expansion of the program. Since the worlds governments are all ready pouring their economies into the war this thing would have to be made on the cheap! Valuable aluminum and titanium alloys are being slated aircraft and high priority projects. All available CNC and polymer manufacturing is also primarily targeted for front-line forces. What's available still? Steel-stamping and lots of it! Yes it makes it heavier than ideal for a PDW but it's available.
In many ways this PDW design has more in common with WWII weapons than with newer designs of the post Cold-War era. No investment casting, no stainless steel, no polymer frames. It is almost as if someone was trying to reinvent the STEN gun. Just with better quality control. No complex curves or shape to it. Machining is kept to an absolute minimum and again simple shapes only. It designed to be produced by companies and members of the population who probably have never fabricated weapon before.
In many ways it is very crude device, and yet it still has some neat little bits of design in it. Grip panels can be changed to allow the widest range hand sizes to use it. Instead of a trigger the weapon has a squeeze-bar. This allows people with weak or small hands use their entire hand strength, or if the person was wearing mittens they fire it without taking them off.The front handgrip also acts as screwdriver and as the handle for the cleaning rod that stows on one side of the weapon.
Unfortunately it is right hand eject only, southpaws either fire it from the right or not at all, but it made the design simpler. It has two modes of fire, semi-auto and three round burst. With a 30rd magazine you get 10 bursts then its reload time. There are no tritium sights. No picatinny rail system for dotscopes. lasers, and tactical lights. It has a basic two position aperture sight and the front can only be adjusted by an armorer.
It is meant for civilians who have passed a qualification course and are then expected to have with them at all times. It fires a small caliber HV cartridge that trades some stopping power for increased penetration and reduced recoil impulse. Very much like a FN P90.
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Personally I'm not really big on them.....however when one is confronted with variety of sizes that exist in my worlds they become a much more palpable. The FN2000 is the first bullpup that has really caught my fancy. Before that the Steyr AUG. All the other I've tried the ergos just don't gel with me.
Nah, the slide for the stock is located on the outer part of the gun if you look closely. That way it doesn't interfere with the mag. I like this design; functional, rugged, and easily mass producable. Too bad about no picanny rail possibility but it looks like a good solid build to me. I do see some of the Mac-10 influence like someone noted above. Was the MP7 any sort of inspiration in this piece, like the stock for instance?
So in terms of production cost it would be low which is cool. You said like the Sten gun. Was that relatively inexpensive back then? I'm only asking because I'm only informed about the M3A1 American "Grease Gun."
So in terms of production cost it would be low which is cool. You said like the Sten gun. Was that relatively inexpensive back then? I'm only asking because I'm only informed about the M3A1 American "Grease Gun."
Yep exactly. =D And thanks for the info about the Sten. I'll have to do some more background info into it. Looks like an interesting gun with the mag on the side like that. But according to a vid I just watched it was about $9 to make, a dollar or two more than the Grease Gun.
I believe they started trading them out in the 80's but I've discovered that even when a new system is adopted and touted in front of the media it may take awhile for older equipment to be completely retired. Apparently some reserve units in Iraq are still using M60's. recently I saw a photo of a US soldier who had slabside lower AR over in Iraq. Hell those go back to the Johnson years! the upper was all spiffy with rails and stuff but the lower was older than me....and that means something these days.
Um it just happened in my sleep. I was watching a bunch people going through a familiarization course and the range officer was explaining the field stripping procedure. You pulled the cotter pin on the left side of the handgrip. Then punched out the pin with a bullet tip or a ball point pen. You could then screw the cleaning rod into the threaded hole in the handle, or use the handguard to unscrew the grip frames. You can also use it to remove the magazine bottoms for cleaning.
On the minds of the design team that developed this weapon was the idea that if Earth governments fell then the population might be forced into a partisan-style of struggle. Therefore the blueprints are on the net for download as PDFs for various governments to use. They also have stressed the need to make hard copy printouts and saved files so even if a country loses net capability it still can access to this information. Also production was kept as simple as possible so even groups of individuals with limited machine access could still make the weapons. The real kicker is getting ammo which is much tougher to make from scratch.
Some private individuals have even started distributing the files on the general net. Some governments are not keen with this idea, but no one is stopping the data from being available.
Some private individuals have even started distributing the files on the general net. Some governments are not keen with this idea, but no one is stopping the data from being available.
Well I guess in the real world it could be built for 45ACP. You'd need to talk to a real gunsmith not some armchair weapon designer like me. At least the pressures for the 45ACP are not to high, but since I envisioned it as a blowback design so it would probably require a pretty heft recoil spring to keep everything together until chamber pressure dropped to a safe level for ejection. Also +P ammo might be right out with.
No it fires a small caliber high velocity round similar to the FN90 or the HK MP7. You trade absolute performance for increased penetration, reduced recoil, flatter trajectory, and increased ammo load. The downside is that it may take multiple hits to make a target take a dirt nap. That can be a problem in CQB scenarios but it is trade off to allow a wider range of people use the weapon. Also since it is a simple blowback design it requires no fancy machining to construct it.
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