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to those three shitheads who shot up the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo today. Twelve people died there. French police have apprehended two and killed one of the gunmen.
So, to show solidarity with the surviving members of the magazine and to give a big Fuck You to the killers (as well as to all religious fanatics, yes, because I know there are some Christians who feel the same way), here is my Pop Tart Muhammad from 2011.
So, to show solidarity with the surviving members of the magazine and to give a big Fuck You to the killers (as well as to all religious fanatics, yes, because I know there are some Christians who feel the same way), here is my Pop Tart Muhammad from 2011.
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Some people believe that the sword is mightier than the feather.
These people neither endured tickletorture ( which, de facto, can lead to infarct from exhaustion ) nor did they ever read a single history book - because, yes, the history was usually written by the winners, but even the winners had enough infighting as to result in funny views on history.
These people neither endured tickletorture ( which, de facto, can lead to infarct from exhaustion ) nor did they ever read a single history book - because, yes, the history was usually written by the winners, but even the winners had enough infighting as to result in funny views on history.
Do you, for a fact, know there are Christians out there who a) feel exactly the same way towards humanity as these murdering vermin did and b) have the pure, concentrated, satanic hatred inside of them to commit atrocities of this magnitude? Because I know of none. I haven't seen any such horrors in the news where the perpetrators openly, proudly admitted to killing the innocent in the name of Jesus, the Pope or the Christian God. So, I hope I'm wrong in my interpretation of that section of your sentence. I don't normally speak out about these things, but I am so damn tired of moral equivocation between radical Christianity and radical Islam. in my mind, one is almost non-existent and if it is it is quickly demonized and shunned by the majority and the other is frighteningly prevalent and is at least tolerated, if not encouraged by the majority. And we ignore this at our continuing peril.
I'm sorry for that rant. It wasn't even at you, specifically, because I actually do greatly admire your bravery in mocking the excuse for all of Radical Islam's unspeakable evil and your willingness to call these pieces of filth what they are. It's exactly what the members of Charlie Hebdo died for. For that, my hat is off to you.
I'm sorry for that rant. It wasn't even at you, specifically, because I actually do greatly admire your bravery in mocking the excuse for all of Radical Islam's unspeakable evil and your willingness to call these pieces of filth what they are. It's exactly what the members of Charlie Hebdo died for. For that, my hat is off to you.
I don't know of any such flagrantly murderous Christians today, but the history of the Church is full of shameful tales of mass murder and genocide. Just off the top of my head:
I. The extermination of the Cathars. (Other "heretical" groups without such good P.R. were also obliterated)
II. 2000-year persecution of Jews. (Still popular right up til the 1940s when the Nazis made it uncool.)
III. Hundreds of thousands of "witches" burned. (This really ramped up in Protestant countries after the Reformation.)
IV. Several Crusades in the Holy Land. (A good way to get bored & rowdy noblemen out of Europe so they can make trouble in someone else's backyard.)
All of the above were lauded as a Religious Obligation and a Good Deed at the time. Just because we've presumably learned our lesson and are Not Like That Anymore does not mean that we don't have an awful lot to apologize for. Wasn't there a saying that some legendary sage said about taking the beam out of your own eye before you try picking the speck out of your neighbor's eye?
(Hint: It was Jesus)
I. The extermination of the Cathars. (Other "heretical" groups without such good P.R. were also obliterated)
II. 2000-year persecution of Jews. (Still popular right up til the 1940s when the Nazis made it uncool.)
III. Hundreds of thousands of "witches" burned. (This really ramped up in Protestant countries after the Reformation.)
IV. Several Crusades in the Holy Land. (A good way to get bored & rowdy noblemen out of Europe so they can make trouble in someone else's backyard.)
All of the above were lauded as a Religious Obligation and a Good Deed at the time. Just because we've presumably learned our lesson and are Not Like That Anymore does not mean that we don't have an awful lot to apologize for. Wasn't there a saying that some legendary sage said about taking the beam out of your own eye before you try picking the speck out of your neighbor's eye?
(Hint: It was Jesus)
Well, I wasn't talking about people thousands of years ago. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. We've certainly come a long way since then, which was my point. Its hilarious and sad in the worst way that a good chunk of the world has not. In fact, the fact that we don't do any of these things anymore is really quite an achievement when you look at how many hundreds of thousands of previous years nearly every group on the planet did them. And you're leaving out the great good that Christians have done and still do, but that's a whole other conversation. And if you disagree on that point, as many do, at least we don't make the world a worse place to live if we can help it. That has to count for something.
I neither condone nor apologize for any atrocities committed by Christians in the past. I'm not like that, the people I know aren't like that and it doesn't have much to do with us anymore. There's absolutely no point in whipping yourself and your people for a past you wish to leave behind for a better future. But, as you might already know, Christianity's past sins aren't exclusive. The whole world over has done vile deeds to each other since antiquity and as I already pointed out, many areas of the world outside the West and some areas of the East haven't learned their lesson still. Secular, pagan Romans persecuted WAY more Christians and Jews than Jews persecuted Christians or Christians persecuted Jews. In fact, since Christianity is in essence an offshoot of Judaism, I don't really understand how there could be that much persecution practiced by Christians against Jews anyway. Disagreement, definitely. Distrust, most likely. Racism, oh yeah (again, not an exclusive crime). Persecution, I'm not buying yet.
To address your points quickly, because I started rambling as I tend to do, the extermination of the Cathars was committed by misguided, arrogant men in the name of God, completely inexcusable but not the first or last time it would ever happen in human history. I don't know about the persecution of the Jews, so I can't speak to that but I can say that if we did, we were just part of a very long list. As to history, the Jews' hands are not lily white, either. Not a justification, just "for the record" stuff. The witch hunts were genocide, plain and simple, nothing to defend there. Genocide is still happening today, but its not our fingers on the trigger anymore. And finally, both sides were to blame for the Crusades, and Muslims were invading countries and slaughtering innocents just as much as we were. Some accounts say the Muslims actually started the Crusades, and we moved against them to protect the innocent until it all spiraled out of control and it turned into a pillage and murder fest, like a lot of previously "moral" conflicts do. I suppose my point is, we're not perfect. We have also never claimed to be. But...we're kinda blamed for everything nowadays, even stuff we have never had anything to do with. It just seems that whenever people blame or even begin to talk about radical Islam, they have to give us "Christian extremists" a whack on the head just to be "fair". But we're left holding our heads and asking, "What did WE do"?
I neither condone nor apologize for any atrocities committed by Christians in the past. I'm not like that, the people I know aren't like that and it doesn't have much to do with us anymore. There's absolutely no point in whipping yourself and your people for a past you wish to leave behind for a better future. But, as you might already know, Christianity's past sins aren't exclusive. The whole world over has done vile deeds to each other since antiquity and as I already pointed out, many areas of the world outside the West and some areas of the East haven't learned their lesson still. Secular, pagan Romans persecuted WAY more Christians and Jews than Jews persecuted Christians or Christians persecuted Jews. In fact, since Christianity is in essence an offshoot of Judaism, I don't really understand how there could be that much persecution practiced by Christians against Jews anyway. Disagreement, definitely. Distrust, most likely. Racism, oh yeah (again, not an exclusive crime). Persecution, I'm not buying yet.
To address your points quickly, because I started rambling as I tend to do, the extermination of the Cathars was committed by misguided, arrogant men in the name of God, completely inexcusable but not the first or last time it would ever happen in human history. I don't know about the persecution of the Jews, so I can't speak to that but I can say that if we did, we were just part of a very long list. As to history, the Jews' hands are not lily white, either. Not a justification, just "for the record" stuff. The witch hunts were genocide, plain and simple, nothing to defend there. Genocide is still happening today, but its not our fingers on the trigger anymore. And finally, both sides were to blame for the Crusades, and Muslims were invading countries and slaughtering innocents just as much as we were. Some accounts say the Muslims actually started the Crusades, and we moved against them to protect the innocent until it all spiraled out of control and it turned into a pillage and murder fest, like a lot of previously "moral" conflicts do. I suppose my point is, we're not perfect. We have also never claimed to be. But...we're kinda blamed for everything nowadays, even stuff we have never had anything to do with. It just seems that whenever people blame or even begin to talk about radical Islam, they have to give us "Christian extremists" a whack on the head just to be "fair". But we're left holding our heads and asking, "What did WE do"?
I agree with you, mostly, but it's more interesting to pick on the parts where there's dissent. Here we go:
We've got numbnuts out there like Pat Robertson and his ideological heirs spewing garbage out of their mouths like "9/11 was punishment for gays" and "beat your kids til they love Jesus" and other such charming tidbits. These fools talk the loudest and get a lot of attention, whereas there isn't much of a soapbox for other Christians to say "No, that's not right." It is a misconception that all Evangelical Christians are narrow minded ultra-conservative bigots - but the voices that should be correcting that opinion are Very, Very Quiet. Similarly, not all Muslims are bloodthirsty Jihadists, but for some reason we don't get to hear very many of them saying "We are not with those guys."
Why is the voice of Reason so muffled? Because scandal sells more papers.
This is why I don't trust the whole "We got better, we're not like that anymore" narrative. Human nature has not changed. It has been 2,000 years (1,200 of which had Europe under the total control of the so-called "Christian" church) and the Kingdom of God has not come. I think there might be a lot of resentment toward the Church because, now that we are finally free to look at the evidence and think for ourselves, we can see how the Church squandered its opportunity and utterly failed to live up to its own advertised standards. That's TWO whole MILLENNIA WASTED, man! How many second chances does this institution deserve? As much as it saddens me (because I think of myself as an aspiring Christian too) I think by this time the established Church has pretty much proved its worthlessness. Christianity must change or die. But that's a separate debate...
We in the West have it soft; we're comfortable and we find it easy to be good. But people are still people. The only reason we don't behave like they did in the Bronze Age is because we have iPhones and flush toilets. Take those things away, and it's Lord of the Flies time. We would be at each other's throats so fast your head would spin.
We've got numbnuts out there like Pat Robertson and his ideological heirs spewing garbage out of their mouths like "9/11 was punishment for gays" and "beat your kids til they love Jesus" and other such charming tidbits. These fools talk the loudest and get a lot of attention, whereas there isn't much of a soapbox for other Christians to say "No, that's not right." It is a misconception that all Evangelical Christians are narrow minded ultra-conservative bigots - but the voices that should be correcting that opinion are Very, Very Quiet. Similarly, not all Muslims are bloodthirsty Jihadists, but for some reason we don't get to hear very many of them saying "We are not with those guys."
Why is the voice of Reason so muffled? Because scandal sells more papers.
This is why I don't trust the whole "We got better, we're not like that anymore" narrative. Human nature has not changed. It has been 2,000 years (1,200 of which had Europe under the total control of the so-called "Christian" church) and the Kingdom of God has not come. I think there might be a lot of resentment toward the Church because, now that we are finally free to look at the evidence and think for ourselves, we can see how the Church squandered its opportunity and utterly failed to live up to its own advertised standards. That's TWO whole MILLENNIA WASTED, man! How many second chances does this institution deserve? As much as it saddens me (because I think of myself as an aspiring Christian too) I think by this time the established Church has pretty much proved its worthlessness. Christianity must change or die. But that's a separate debate...
We in the West have it soft; we're comfortable and we find it easy to be good. But people are still people. The only reason we don't behave like they did in the Bronze Age is because we have iPhones and flush toilets. Take those things away, and it's Lord of the Flies time. We would be at each other's throats so fast your head would spin.
People who are willing to kill and maim others in the name of their deity deserve nothing except complete disdain and mockery. Those in power who influence and support people doing this should, in my opinion, be tried and executed for crimes against humanity.
These attacks are just cowardly and low, however I believe it's a matter of time before terrorism on this scale starts to become more widespread. These are definitely becoming dangerous times.
These attacks are just cowardly and low, however I believe it's a matter of time before terrorism on this scale starts to become more widespread. These are definitely becoming dangerous times.
I'm not sure about that. I've seen some pretty offensive shit depicting Jesus on FA that wasnt even provoked by an event. I may have found it not to be in the best taste but I laughed regardless. If people can post degrading art of one religious figure I dont see what would make another off-limits.
Then again that pic, hilarious though it is, is a notch above some of the other shit Ive seen as far as being lewd, so you probably have a good point. Whatever the case I found it amusing.
Then again that pic, hilarious though it is, is a notch above some of the other shit Ive seen as far as being lewd, so you probably have a good point. Whatever the case I found it amusing.
I can't say anything with any authrity on the matter. I can't claim to know for sure. but I can tell you that from my experience, it certainly seems that easily more than half of christians are vile, hateful, or leastways harshly judgemental and holier-than-thou types, who consider anyone who disagrees with them to be hellbound ne way r another. whether through condescending pity, or outright damnation. so.... just some small part of one's life, tucked away on the shelf? I'm not convinced. religion and spirituality (or lack thereof in the case of atheists) are pretty serious components of anybody's identity. sure, my stepdad is pretty much a Hindu in name, and probably an agnostic in practice. but he's one person. and I'm sure there are people who are ostensibly christian, but don't actually think about it much and for whom it doesn't really play that big a role in their lives. but most people see their beliefs toward God or the Divine as frming an integral framework from which to base their worldview.
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