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Knight of the air versus dragon
Old pic from way, way back.
An Imperial German Pzaltz DIII faces a very different enemy in the skies over Europe in WW1.
I still like this one.
I've thought of re-drawing it some day, or adding to it.
Had an idea once for a story to go with it, but I had no way to write it except long hand, and I've long since forgotten what it was.
-Badger-
An Imperial German Pzaltz DIII faces a very different enemy in the skies over Europe in WW1.
I still like this one.
I've thought of re-drawing it some day, or adding to it.
Had an idea once for a story to go with it, but I had no way to write it except long hand, and I've long since forgotten what it was.
-Badger-
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This pic inspired a D&D game a long time ago.
I split my group in half.
One side was traditional magic and the other was WW1 tech.
The wizard bastards found a way to make a magic based nuke.
The game lasted 4 sessions.
Never make your players Kings of prosperous countries unless you want to go God level fast.
I split my group in half.
One side was traditional magic and the other was WW1 tech.
The wizard bastards found a way to make a magic based nuke.
The game lasted 4 sessions.
Never make your players Kings of prosperous countries unless you want to go God level fast.
still think the dragon would beat the plane.
most descriptions of dragons say that the scales are about as hard as diamond, and far tougher than steel. AE. try shooting a modern tank with that caliber of gun a see how far you get
a dragon (like a really big bird) would be far more maneuverable able to make sharp turns and dives that planes still cant do.
and while the knight is a bit more exposed he is wearing armor which while not enough to stop bullets completely is more protection than the pilot has and could turn a fatal shot into a flesh wound.
lastly I draw your attention to the golden eagle which is able to reach a maximum hunting speed of 190 km/h (120 mph), note its dive is about 240 to 320 (150 to 200 mph), while your biplane only goes 165 km/h (102.5 mph) level flight. while this doesn't determine how fast the dragon is it does prove that it despite its size could at least match you planes speed
most descriptions of dragons say that the scales are about as hard as diamond, and far tougher than steel. AE. try shooting a modern tank with that caliber of gun a see how far you get
a dragon (like a really big bird) would be far more maneuverable able to make sharp turns and dives that planes still cant do.
and while the knight is a bit more exposed he is wearing armor which while not enough to stop bullets completely is more protection than the pilot has and could turn a fatal shot into a flesh wound.
lastly I draw your attention to the golden eagle which is able to reach a maximum hunting speed of 190 km/h (120 mph), note its dive is about 240 to 320 (150 to 200 mph), while your biplane only goes 165 km/h (102.5 mph) level flight. while this doesn't determine how fast the dragon is it does prove that it despite its size could at least match you planes speed
It all depends on what source the dragon is from: Most breeds from the Temeraire series would be meat to a mid-WWI scout, a Pernese dragon would be only vulnerable to a surprise attack and most D&D/Pathfinder dragons would only be threatened if they are still immature.
You would also be shocked by how fast many of those WWI scouts could turn, although the D.III had an inline engine and couldn't pull off the 'rotary right' where engine torque is used to turn nearly in place.
You would also be shocked by how fast many of those WWI scouts could turn, although the D.III had an inline engine and couldn't pull off the 'rotary right' where engine torque is used to turn nearly in place.
No, but it could do a pirouette turn by raising the nose sharply and stomping the rudder.
Making a 90 to 180 degree turn in a little over its own length.
The maneuver is dangerous because it can stall the airplane and result in a flat spin if done wrong, but it was just one of a number of tricks experienced pilots used in combat.
The triplane was the king of stunt flying.
Written accounts of the last battle of Werner Voss stated that he snap turned his aircraft 90 degrees to the side, fired a burst from his guns, and snapped the plane forward again in a few seconds.
And did this multiple times, in a fight where we was holding off 12 RAF SE5As at the same time.
In this case, the dragon in the illo has skin no tougher than really thick leather and no special tricks beyond breathing fire in a short cone to the front.
He is also rather heavy and somewhat clumsy and slow in flight, and unable to climb fast....Though has a really harsh dive.
The Pfalz can engage with his guns at more than three to five times the range of the fire breath, and can dodge the cone because it moves no faster than a strong wind from the dragon when he breathes it.
(Think stream from a fire hose.)
-Badger-
Making a 90 to 180 degree turn in a little over its own length.
The maneuver is dangerous because it can stall the airplane and result in a flat spin if done wrong, but it was just one of a number of tricks experienced pilots used in combat.
The triplane was the king of stunt flying.
Written accounts of the last battle of Werner Voss stated that he snap turned his aircraft 90 degrees to the side, fired a burst from his guns, and snapped the plane forward again in a few seconds.
And did this multiple times, in a fight where we was holding off 12 RAF SE5As at the same time.
In this case, the dragon in the illo has skin no tougher than really thick leather and no special tricks beyond breathing fire in a short cone to the front.
He is also rather heavy and somewhat clumsy and slow in flight, and unable to climb fast....Though has a really harsh dive.
The Pfalz can engage with his guns at more than three to five times the range of the fire breath, and can dodge the cone because it moves no faster than a strong wind from the dragon when he breathes it.
(Think stream from a fire hose.)
-Badger-
From that description, closer to a small firebreather from the Temeraire books than anything else.
Now, Temeraire himself would probably tear that scout to pieces but his 'Divine Wind' breath weapon can capsize a ship of the line. He's also big enough that the Queen of Prussia mistook him for a small hill.
Now, Temeraire himself would probably tear that scout to pieces but his 'Divine Wind' breath weapon can capsize a ship of the line. He's also big enough that the Queen of Prussia mistook him for a small hill.
Okay, now you're going over the line into power gaming a universe not your own.
My art. My rules.
You clearly feel that dragons are god level and always win.
They don't exist, and claiming dragons are super powered, immortal and invulnerable is a "Batman would beat Superman" argument.
I don't tolerate power gaming in my posts.
I'm being nice, but do it again and I'll ban you from commenting.
I like to keep things polite and friendly.
-Badger-
My art. My rules.
You clearly feel that dragons are god level and always win.
They don't exist, and claiming dragons are super powered, immortal and invulnerable is a "Batman would beat Superman" argument.
I don't tolerate power gaming in my posts.
I'm being nice, but do it again and I'll ban you from commenting.
I like to keep things polite and friendly.
-Badger-
if your talking to me I didn't mean to offend, just giving my opinion and I don't know what power gaming is. the description of dragons I gave are form books I have read (the hobbit). I agree that dragons don't exist and as such tried to keep my descriptions as grounded as possible ,
I have all ways found enjoyment wondering who would win. and I admit I do sometime take it a little to far, after sending my second post I when through a dozen or so scenarios in my head swapping different types (eragon, hobbit, etc..) and different conditions (like what would happen if the rider was killed) just for fun.
again sorry I didn't mean to offend
I have all ways found enjoyment wondering who would win. and I admit I do sometime take it a little to far, after sending my second post I when through a dozen or so scenarios in my head swapping different types (eragon, hobbit, etc..) and different conditions (like what would happen if the rider was killed) just for fun.
again sorry I didn't mean to offend
Okay, apology accepted.
"Power gaming" is when someone comes along and tries to jump into your created world, art piece, etc. and dictate the events to suit themselves.
I get it from time to time, and at one point I was having problems with several people trying to power game my transfurred convention stories to write themselves in, as the focus character with superhuman magical powers....
So I get a bit grumpy, real fast, when I get that vibe from someone commenting on my art or writing.
The annoyance factor got so high from the incessant power gaming on one site that I just posting or stopped going there entirely.
For me, I don't do the god-level dragons in some fictional writing.
I tend to stop reading a book when dragons are in it, and they suddenly jump from obeying the laws of physics, (within reason), to becoming "god with scales"...
For me, thats bottom feeding right along the lines of "movie monster with hockey mask and machete that cannot be killed".
Everything can be killed.
I hate deus ex machina solution critters or species with a passion.
So unrealistic.
-Badger-
"Power gaming" is when someone comes along and tries to jump into your created world, art piece, etc. and dictate the events to suit themselves.
I get it from time to time, and at one point I was having problems with several people trying to power game my transfurred convention stories to write themselves in, as the focus character with superhuman magical powers....
So I get a bit grumpy, real fast, when I get that vibe from someone commenting on my art or writing.
The annoyance factor got so high from the incessant power gaming on one site that I just posting or stopped going there entirely.
For me, I don't do the god-level dragons in some fictional writing.
I tend to stop reading a book when dragons are in it, and they suddenly jump from obeying the laws of physics, (within reason), to becoming "god with scales"...
For me, thats bottom feeding right along the lines of "movie monster with hockey mask and machete that cannot be killed".
Everything can be killed.
I hate deus ex machina solution critters or species with a passion.
So unrealistic.
-Badger-
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