FA+
Shop
477
Views
Views
2
Favorites
Favorites
Category
Artwork (Traditional) / All
Species Wolf
Size 662 x 800
File Size 221.3 kB
Report this content
More from Sonderjen
I'm all out of caviar, so please throw a few bucks at this auction, would you?
http://www.furbuy.com/auctions/1006555.html
http://www.furbuy.com/auctions/1006555.html
Category Artwork (Traditional) / All
Species Wolf
Size 662 x 800px
File Size 221.3 kB
I think he was a bit defensive in his journals, but then again, I would be too if I had so many people breathing down my neck over a relatively simple and unexciting situation (omg, art doesn't sell.. This is quite common in all price brackets, and not just in furry) that got blown way out if proportion.
It's easy to make fun of someone on the Internet who is just some name to which you can pin all sorts of qualities that may or may not be true, whether they be good or bad things. But, chances are, if it were someone you actually knew in person to a mild degree, and they said, Gee, I'm a little bummed about something, you'd be a lot less likely to jump their shit.
Everyone thinks "Adam Wang" is some fucker who wants tons if money for every thing he does. In actuality, he was only selling this sculpture for such a high reserve because he didn't even want to sell it in the first place, but he figures if someone wanted it badly enough (or for enough money) he could justify parting with it to help float himself until his first paycheck. Neither of us is bleeding money, or else we wouldn't be selling a lot of the art we have been (and we'd probably need a transfusion soon, haha). As most people can relate, times are tough, so if we can make money on the side, it's pretty helpful (so no caviar for us, which is probably not a big shame). When you don't want to do something, of course you set a higher value to it. This is a very common business practice in the art world. One of my teachers used to be a freelance illustrator, and Mitsubishi asked him to do a job he really wasn't into. He sarcastically told them it would cost $11,000, and they returned with a Okay, you got the job!
More facts: the reserve was not $500, and I have no idea why everyone thinks it is and that Adam is some arrogant, lazy bastard who won't, as someone said, 'mow a lawn for that last $10). And yeah, it will probably generate more criticism knowing the reserve is not $500, but if you're going to make fun of them, you might as well be well-informed first before you look stupid to everyone who does know better.
As I said before.. This whole situation just got blown way out of proportion. Adam was honest that he felt bad his sculpture didn't sell, and began debating the value of art, and people got drama-eyes and everything just escalated. Yet, I often see other artists offer commission slots, which are not filled, and they make a journal admitting disappointed, to which their are either ignored or told, Better luck next time!
Haha, wow, this ended up being lengthier than I had intended, oops o_o
It's easy to make fun of someone on the Internet who is just some name to which you can pin all sorts of qualities that may or may not be true, whether they be good or bad things. But, chances are, if it were someone you actually knew in person to a mild degree, and they said, Gee, I'm a little bummed about something, you'd be a lot less likely to jump their shit.
Everyone thinks "Adam Wang" is some fucker who wants tons if money for every thing he does. In actuality, he was only selling this sculpture for such a high reserve because he didn't even want to sell it in the first place, but he figures if someone wanted it badly enough (or for enough money) he could justify parting with it to help float himself until his first paycheck. Neither of us is bleeding money, or else we wouldn't be selling a lot of the art we have been (and we'd probably need a transfusion soon, haha). As most people can relate, times are tough, so if we can make money on the side, it's pretty helpful (so no caviar for us, which is probably not a big shame). When you don't want to do something, of course you set a higher value to it. This is a very common business practice in the art world. One of my teachers used to be a freelance illustrator, and Mitsubishi asked him to do a job he really wasn't into. He sarcastically told them it would cost $11,000, and they returned with a Okay, you got the job!
More facts: the reserve was not $500, and I have no idea why everyone thinks it is and that Adam is some arrogant, lazy bastard who won't, as someone said, 'mow a lawn for that last $10). And yeah, it will probably generate more criticism knowing the reserve is not $500, but if you're going to make fun of them, you might as well be well-informed first before you look stupid to everyone who does know better.
As I said before.. This whole situation just got blown way out of proportion. Adam was honest that he felt bad his sculpture didn't sell, and began debating the value of art, and people got drama-eyes and everything just escalated. Yet, I often see other artists offer commission slots, which are not filled, and they make a journal admitting disappointed, to which their are either ignored or told, Better luck next time!
Haha, wow, this ended up being lengthier than I had intended, oops o_o
Either sell it, or don't. Why should the customer have to pay out the ass for sentimentality? Now if he had been offering sculpture COMMISSIONS for that price, it would have been reasonable. But for a so-so sculpture of someone else's character, and at that price? No.
It went up to $490, if he really needed to float to the next paycheck then he should have accepted the offer. I never said the reserve was at $500, but even if it was, that would still be too much. I sell shit on eBay too and as much as I'd like for things to sell close to their MSRP, it's not going to happen. He really just needs to learn to either suck it up and deal with it, or not bring it up at all. All of this deleting and journal bawwwing is only making him look more ridiculous than before. Not to mention all of the other times he's gone off on people who pointed out flaws in his art. If he hadn't escalated the price, then people wouldn't be escalating the drama.
It went up to $490, if he really needed to float to the next paycheck then he should have accepted the offer. I never said the reserve was at $500, but even if it was, that would still be too much. I sell shit on eBay too and as much as I'd like for things to sell close to their MSRP, it's not going to happen. He really just needs to learn to either suck it up and deal with it, or not bring it up at all. All of this deleting and journal bawwwing is only making him look more ridiculous than before. Not to mention all of the other times he's gone off on people who pointed out flaws in his art. If he hadn't escalated the price, then people wouldn't be escalating the drama.
Well, he didn't sell it :P So what's the problem? He wasn't forcing anyone to pay out of their asses.. that's the whole point of an auction; something only goes as high as people are willing to pay. They didn't want to pay as much as he wanted, and that was that, sculpture didn't sell.
He didn't absolutely need the money, but it would have made things easier for him. He decided ahead of time that he wasn't that motivated to part with it, and wouldn't unless it went for a lot. *shrugs* It didn't, so I will do what -I- can to make the next week easier financially. Not a huge deal.
I'm not really sure what you're selling, so I'm not sure how much it does or doesn't relate to selling original artwork. But in the art world, prices are usually high, and artists don't lower them just to make a sale. Original paintings sometimes take years to sell, but when they do sell, it's usually for $5000 plus. If Adam were living in a cardboard box, I'm sure he would approach his sales differently. Fortunately, that's not the case, so he just wants to get what -he- thinks it's worth. He didn't get it, and all his original journal was meant to do was to express that. It's not like I found him cutting himself with sparklepuppies and injecting kool aid while crying his eyeballs out onto the keyboard. He was just like, "Well, I wish it had sold, but at least we get to keep the sculpture, so I'm both disappointed and relieved."
However, people took it too seriously and jumped his shit, to which he got very defensive. I think at that point, everyone should have just stopped paying attention to the whole thing, him included. Ultimately, once it got out of control, he took down the journals and photos causing the problem, and dropped the subject entirely. But people like Miles and Sonderjen decided it would still be fun to beat a dead horse.
And, again, he didn't escalate the price.. that would suggest he said he'd sell it for $50 then demanded $50,000. He just made an auction and let people decide themselves what they wanted to pay.
He didn't absolutely need the money, but it would have made things easier for him. He decided ahead of time that he wasn't that motivated to part with it, and wouldn't unless it went for a lot. *shrugs* It didn't, so I will do what -I- can to make the next week easier financially. Not a huge deal.
I'm not really sure what you're selling, so I'm not sure how much it does or doesn't relate to selling original artwork. But in the art world, prices are usually high, and artists don't lower them just to make a sale. Original paintings sometimes take years to sell, but when they do sell, it's usually for $5000 plus. If Adam were living in a cardboard box, I'm sure he would approach his sales differently. Fortunately, that's not the case, so he just wants to get what -he- thinks it's worth. He didn't get it, and all his original journal was meant to do was to express that. It's not like I found him cutting himself with sparklepuppies and injecting kool aid while crying his eyeballs out onto the keyboard. He was just like, "Well, I wish it had sold, but at least we get to keep the sculpture, so I'm both disappointed and relieved."
However, people took it too seriously and jumped his shit, to which he got very defensive. I think at that point, everyone should have just stopped paying attention to the whole thing, him included. Ultimately, once it got out of control, he took down the journals and photos causing the problem, and dropped the subject entirely. But people like Miles and Sonderjen decided it would still be fun to beat a dead horse.
And, again, he didn't escalate the price.. that would suggest he said he'd sell it for $50 then demanded $50,000. He just made an auction and let people decide themselves what they wanted to pay.
He escalated the value. Not to be mean, but that thing was not worth the $490, let alone whatever ridiculous reserve price he set for it. I can understand a slight premium on something you don't want to let go, but even the $490 bid was ridiculous. The way he responded to people trying to tell him that it wasn't worth that price really opened himself up to this kind of ridicule, and he hasn't exactly shown humility in the past either.
If I were an established sculptor, I'd price my works accordingly. Same thing with being inexperienced. The sculpture really just wasn't that great, definitely not at whatever reserve price he was asking, and someone without a head as big as his would have realized that and priced it relative to the skill put into the piece. If he hadn't inflated the price so much and then bawwwed about it like a little baby on multiple accounts, then it would be different. But that's what he did, and naturally people are laughing at him because of it.
If I were an established sculptor, I'd price my works accordingly. Same thing with being inexperienced. The sculpture really just wasn't that great, definitely not at whatever reserve price he was asking, and someone without a head as big as his would have realized that and priced it relative to the skill put into the piece. If he hadn't inflated the price so much and then bawwwed about it like a little baby on multiple accounts, then it would be different. But that's what he did, and naturally people are laughing at him because of it.
I think the issue is that he didn't want to sell it THAT badly, and that was a big determining factor in the high price more than anything.
*shrugs* I also think our debate it starting to get a little cyclical/repetitive, though, so I don't think I need to keep saying the same thing x)
*shrugs* I also think our debate it starting to get a little cyclical/repetitive, though, so I don't think I need to keep saying the same thing x)
Wasn't deleting all of the drama-related journals, and even the photos that were related kinda getting over it and moving on?
Or wait--does he have to make some satirical art or auction first before you guys will think it's done and over with?
I mean, in all seriousness, sarcasm aside.. what's the ideal 'solution' to this, anyway? Seems like the best thing is to just drop it and move on with life.
Or wait--does he have to make some satirical art or auction first before you guys will think it's done and over with?
I mean, in all seriousness, sarcasm aside.. what's the ideal 'solution' to this, anyway? Seems like the best thing is to just drop it and move on with life.
Comments