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Commissioners From Hell
A quick chibi image of a small collection of various clients quotes/complains other artists and I had to deal with at one point or another. I will let you make up your own conclusion about it...
---- Just FYI, I do plan to make an "Artists From Hell" version. This is not a one sided battle ----
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(bristles and claws come out) I get that one a lot.
"It's not working!"
"What isn't working?"
"My computer!""
"How is it not working?"
"It's broken!"
"WHAT is broken?"
"My computer!"
After going around this several more times, I finally say that if they don't tell me what the problem is so I can try and work on it, "How should I know? That's what they pay YOU for!"
And yet, if I were to have them killed, I would go to jail. How is that fair?
"It's not working!"
"What isn't working?"
"My computer!""
"How is it not working?"
"It's broken!"
"WHAT is broken?"
"My computer!"
After going around this several more times, I finally say that if they don't tell me what the problem is so I can try and work on it, "How should I know? That's what they pay YOU for!"
And yet, if I were to have them killed, I would go to jail. How is that fair?
Former computer tech, here. You ever get the one where the guy threw a full 42oz drink at his computer, and is now wondering why it won't work despite the black smoke billowing out the back? Or the guy that kept getting an '.sys' error, so he went through and starting deleting files with that extension, and is calling you wondering why it won't boot up?
Sales Associate can be just as awful
Worked in a Wal-Mart toy section, i should know what we carry
Tell a woman we don't have something, she sends her 6'8" Sasquatch husband to ask me the same damn thing
They treat you like you don't know whats in your own section, and insist it's there
Worked in a Wal-Mart toy section, i should know what we carry
Tell a woman we don't have something, she sends her 6'8" Sasquatch husband to ask me the same damn thing
They treat you like you don't know whats in your own section, and insist it's there
Same with working in a restaurant. You say you're no longer serving an item anymore or your hours changed and just come back with their husband and they ask for it again only to get the same answer. I'm dealing with that as a waiter and host for a restaurant. I had this one couple come at a certain time in the evening right when we just closed down for the night and everyone is exiting the building. THey insisted on being sitted and fed. I told them in a nice way that we were closed do to having new hours and Her husband a "MP" said he would have me detained and shipped out of the states if I didn't comply. I told him Where will you send me? Germany, Russia, Turkey, England, Scottland, Or right on back to my country of Birth the good old US of A. He shut up after that and a kicking of his scrawny ass. *Do note he threw the first punch.*
I talking about a PFC in the army getting his ass handed to him by a civilian with no military training what so ever. Just cause someone claims to be a MP or SF doesn't mean they are. And it's stupid to even tell people your one cause then its "Oh SF/MP we now know where his family's general area is based" Easy targets now to use against him.
I talking about a PFC in the army getting his ass handed to him by a civilian with no military training what so ever. Just cause someone claims to be a MP or SF doesn't mean they are. And it's stupid to even tell people your one cause then its "Oh SF/MP we now know where his family's general area is based" Easy targets now to use against him.
I would recomend not saying something like you did in that last sentence just because you never know who may see it, even on a site like this.
But yes, people can be absolutely rude, using someones position wether its a police officer or serviceman/woman (bless them all) just disgraces the uniform in my opinion, I've had managers at completely unrelated stores try and use that position against me
But yes, people can be absolutely rude, using someones position wether its a police officer or serviceman/woman (bless them all) just disgraces the uniform in my opinion, I've had managers at completely unrelated stores try and use that position against me
I only used that as an example of if people like that pisses off the wrong person. Personally I could care less if their a offduty cop or serviceman/woman. I'm just doing my job while their being difficult and I normally walk away to get one of my managers or a coworker to deal with them if their being Belligerent and idiotic. Just that day he attacked me while in uniform offduty and from just looking at the state of his uniform you could tell he was a greenhorn fresh out of basic that just also happened to be an eagle scout for the BSA.
I'm also a Fellow eagle scout and I don't like to fight unless it's an act of self defense. In my honest opinion he not only disgraced the uniform but also all Eagle scouts out there. I felt appalled at the thought of him even being an eagle with how he acted superior to everyone else.
I'm also a Fellow eagle scout and I don't like to fight unless it's an act of self defense. In my honest opinion he not only disgraced the uniform but also all Eagle scouts out there. I felt appalled at the thought of him even being an eagle with how he acted superior to everyone else.
When I was 8... without the internet... hanging out with electronics hobbiests and eagerly learning anything I could about their crafts while my parents worried that any one of them was a potential creeper in the village I grew up in?
No... seriously, please think before you type something like that.
No... seriously, please think before you type something like that.
i stopped doing requests because in the small handful i got, i got some of these. it indeed felt so thankless and just killed my drive to work on anything. at least when i was doing commissions, there was a carrot there to do my best. take that carrot away and it's like nah. nah.
Oh trust me, I feel for you. Sadly I would be the one saying that it still doesn't look quite right....As a guy who can make a stick figure look like he has a bad case of the bends if I try to draw, I cannot describe the super intense frustration of have a brilliant and vivid idea or picture festering in your mind of how you want something, but nothing you can do or say gets the picture drawn.
But in the end, it is indeed one of the many many many evils as someone with your gift that can be envisioned.
So as the crazy "that don't look right" chibi, Im shorry! Im just crazy and hopelessly lost in my mind. :P
But in the end, it is indeed one of the many many many evils as someone with your gift that can be envisioned.
So as the crazy "that don't look right" chibi, Im shorry! Im just crazy and hopelessly lost in my mind. :P
The problem is something you can imagine can't necessarily be drawn because in your mind you can combine abstractions with concrete ideas: I know I have one image in my mind clear as day that I tried to plan out only to find it would require either a fisheye distortion or three shifts in perspective.
You also have to accept you're paying for an artist's envisioning of your idea, not for them to pull the idea out of your head because even you yourself can't do that. All art is a compromise between the idea and the reality of what you can achieve outside your own mind.
You also have to accept you're paying for an artist's envisioning of your idea, not for them to pull the idea out of your head because even you yourself can't do that. All art is a compromise between the idea and the reality of what you can achieve outside your own mind.
Second on the left, bottom row: This >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L83cTan6ESk
Eww.
The only one I have a rebuttal to is the 'too complex' one. I've gotten two commissions from someone, only to have them foist a 'too complex' surcharge on the character the third time around. THAT justifies that sort of response.
But that's pretty edge-case. I'm sorry you have to deal with idiots.
The only one I have a rebuttal to is the 'too complex' one. I've gotten two commissions from someone, only to have them foist a 'too complex' surcharge on the character the third time around. THAT justifies that sort of response.
But that's pretty edge-case. I'm sorry you have to deal with idiots.
Oh lord and butter I just thought of a few more.
1- The Satellite: They look over your shoulder or block the table watching to make sure every detail is accurate.
2- The Salesman: "You can draw this for free, I'll put it on my site and you'll get more of an audience. So I'm really helping you with more publicity."
3- The Siege Commander: Will deny you business by turning away possible customers because your TOS denies them their commission. "What do you mean you wont draw Bee scat? Hey don't go to this artist, they are full of crap."
4- The international: Tries to buy with foreign currency and tries to explain the exchange rate so it seems like you are getting the better deal. (Saw it at NYCC over a bootleg DVD set of X-Men TAS)
1- The Satellite: They look over your shoulder or block the table watching to make sure every detail is accurate.
2- The Salesman: "You can draw this for free, I'll put it on my site and you'll get more of an audience. So I'm really helping you with more publicity."
3- The Siege Commander: Will deny you business by turning away possible customers because your TOS denies them their commission. "What do you mean you wont draw Bee scat? Hey don't go to this artist, they are full of crap."
4- The international: Tries to buy with foreign currency and tries to explain the exchange rate so it seems like you are getting the better deal. (Saw it at NYCC over a bootleg DVD set of X-Men TAS)
weellllll the most are so right i can just agree with, others...well.....normaly all a right, im just glad you didnt post something like "you needed 1 year for a simple picture like the one i commission from you?"
Coz if youre honest about, i can understand people who needs time for art and i really never rush (no really now i am not the person who do rush, ask around people i let draw pictures for/from me) but i know artists (yea...) which kinda open commissions and needs a hell of time to finish it or just "forget" to begin with your picture at all. my recort was.....a waiting time for 2 years i guess lol.
Coz if youre honest about, i can understand people who needs time for art and i really never rush (no really now i am not the person who do rush, ask around people i let draw pictures for/from me) but i know artists (yea...) which kinda open commissions and needs a hell of time to finish it or just "forget" to begin with your picture at all. my recort was.....a waiting time for 2 years i guess lol.
For #6 a little accountancy may help - payment by installments.
Either require payment before each next stage, or put in ToS that 25% is non-refundable after the sketch is approved, 50% after inking, 75% after flats. (Insert your own %, and feel free to add an extra fee for redo's not in the original spec.)
That said, that will only cover your butt legally. It won't help shut up the whiners who won't read the ToS.
Also, not really suitable for small amounts.
Also, you may want to add this to your ToS:
If you find an item in a shop, you pay the marked price for it. If it's too expensive, you simply can't have it. Why should my art be any different? If you can't afford Starbucks *tm, you may have to go for a cheaper brand.
You go to work and expect to be paid by the hour. Why should I expect anything different?
If you go to an experienced car mechanic, you expect to pay more than usual, so please don't compare my prices to other artists. If you feel they are better value for money, then by all means, use them.
These don't surprise me. People acting childish, it's not even something that happens only on the internet.
Either require payment before each next stage, or put in ToS that 25% is non-refundable after the sketch is approved, 50% after inking, 75% after flats. (Insert your own %, and feel free to add an extra fee for redo's not in the original spec.)
That said, that will only cover your butt legally. It won't help shut up the whiners who won't read the ToS.
Also, not really suitable for small amounts.
Also, you may want to add this to your ToS:
If you find an item in a shop, you pay the marked price for it. If it's too expensive, you simply can't have it. Why should my art be any different? If you can't afford Starbucks *tm, you may have to go for a cheaper brand.
You go to work and expect to be paid by the hour. Why should I expect anything different?
If you go to an experienced car mechanic, you expect to pay more than usual, so please don't compare my prices to other artists. If you feel they are better value for money, then by all means, use them.
These don't surprise me. People acting childish, it's not even something that happens only on the internet.
I've actually run into a couple of these myself, and my more popular art friends tell me the horror stories of almost all of these. :/
On another note, I think you should make this a print or t-shirt design. Cuz I think lots of people woul want to carry the message and if someone throws one of these I'd love to point at my chest and be like ''read it.'' XD
On another note, I think you should make this a print or t-shirt design. Cuz I think lots of people woul want to carry the message and if someone throws one of these I'd love to point at my chest and be like ''read it.'' XD
Some others I'd love to add~!
"Leaving the stream as soon as I get my freebie isn't bad, right?"
"I gave you a watch, we're best friends now, right? Do I get discounts yet?"
And the most unsaid thing that sucks for both sides.
"I know paypal fees will eat up a portion of the commission money, but I paid exactly the price I was told to, so everything's fine.. right?"
"Leaving the stream as soon as I get my freebie isn't bad, right?"
"I gave you a watch, we're best friends now, right? Do I get discounts yet?"
And the most unsaid thing that sucks for both sides.
"I know paypal fees will eat up a portion of the commission money, but I paid exactly the price I was told to, so everything's fine.. right?"
If you're selling commissions as a business, those fees actually get deducted from any income tax you owe at the end of the year (because yes, you should be filing taxes on your art income if it's not a hobby). I am totally okay with fees! Would never pass those on to the commissioner and expect them to cover it. Tips are okay, too, but shouldn't be expected.
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/m.....reement-full#8
They changed it a bit with the new update
"For Purchase Payments, the recipient of the payment will always pay the Fee."
They changed it a bit with the new update
"For Purchase Payments, the recipient of the payment will always pay the Fee."
I know I'm guilty of one the things listed above, but I did tell the artist (
Noben) that what she drew was fine. I had a different idea but what she was sketching looked nice. She still changed it. Thats why I always give the artist free reign when it comes to working my commissions now.
I imagine that a few of the issues involving money in the above pic also don't bring the tip into context? ALWAYS tip your artist!
Noben) that what she drew was fine. I had a different idea but what she was sketching looked nice. She still changed it. Thats why I always give the artist free reign when it comes to working my commissions now. I imagine that a few of the issues involving money in the above pic also don't bring the tip into context? ALWAYS tip your artist!
People can't get mad at the artist. Because it's mainly the customer fault. That's the reasons why we artists ask questions like
"is your concept of your character understandable enough?"
"Is that your concept? If not, i can't do it. Unless I'm given permission from that person by asking them."
Another reason would be that some of the customers rush the artist to get done with they're commission or ask for a redo of they're previous commissions you did for he/she because the artist art style gotten better. It's best to stick with what you got from the artist and don't throw a hissy fit like a little ass kid.
Other reasons, like "free commissions" should only be for the person that earns it in a contest or other nice reasons. Not just out of thin air for no reason. Because that won't end nicely.
"is your concept of your character understandable enough?"
"Is that your concept? If not, i can't do it. Unless I'm given permission from that person by asking them."
Another reason would be that some of the customers rush the artist to get done with they're commission or ask for a redo of they're previous commissions you did for he/she because the artist art style gotten better. It's best to stick with what you got from the artist and don't throw a hissy fit like a little ass kid.
Other reasons, like "free commissions" should only be for the person that earns it in a contest or other nice reasons. Not just out of thin air for no reason. Because that won't end nicely.
98% of my clients have been extremely nice, patient, and respectful. I'm very happy to have done business with them. Minor issues with commissions comes up, but they are handled politely on both sides.
There are those 2% where they believe: "I hold the money. You draw for me, no matter what. Shut up and do it."
There are those 2% where they believe: "I hold the money. You draw for me, no matter what. Shut up and do it."
likeshine poked this topic too, with both sides.It'll be interesting to see your take and see what's similar and what's different.
I use to do free badges but as I got more confident in my work I started to charge. I had done about 3 or 4 badges for this one guy (all completed and sent to him) and he asked for another quite a while after I started charging. I told him that I didn't make free badges anymore that I charged x amount of dollars and he flipped out saying stuff like "You made badges for free that means they're free you can't start charging" and not too long after said "It's ok I don't need you anymore I found someone else to draw free art for me." I was so pissed off after that I blocked him on everything but he keeps making new Facebook accounts to ask me about commissions x.x
I also had this other guy who would ask me how much closer I was to getting done with a free art piece so much that I couldn't get any work done because I had to reply to him. And when I showed him a wip he was like "Can you draw it more cartoony I don't like your style." I was tolerant until I got fed up with him messaging me literally almost ever 5 minutes that, in a nice professional matter, told him to basically fuck off because I can't get anything done with him messaging so often. His excuse was "I'm just really excited when I get free art. I can't help it."
I had to specifically say in my TOS that "You are not allowed to message me so often that I can't get work done because I'm busy replying to you." and "You are not allowed to complain about prices raising or things that were previously free are being charged for." as well as "I can refuse to do anything for you if you can't read my TOS and break my TOS because of it." If they're too lazy to read or at least ask, and be polite about it, they go somewhere else.
I also had this other guy who would ask me how much closer I was to getting done with a free art piece so much that I couldn't get any work done because I had to reply to him. And when I showed him a wip he was like "Can you draw it more cartoony I don't like your style." I was tolerant until I got fed up with him messaging me literally almost ever 5 minutes that, in a nice professional matter, told him to basically fuck off because I can't get anything done with him messaging so often. His excuse was "I'm just really excited when I get free art. I can't help it."
I had to specifically say in my TOS that "You are not allowed to message me so often that I can't get work done because I'm busy replying to you." and "You are not allowed to complain about prices raising or things that were previously free are being charged for." as well as "I can refuse to do anything for you if you can't read my TOS and break my TOS because of it." If they're too lazy to read or at least ask, and be polite about it, they go somewhere else.
I had a similar experience with the top one! Someone wanted me to draw copyrighted characters from Nickelodeon. (himself having sex with Eliza Thornberry. Like what?) and I showed him my T.o.S and specified that I wasn't comfortable with that. He lost his shit in my stream and left when everyone else started backing me up. He then began sending me comments on DeviantArt asking if I was 'over the copyright thing' and seeing if I would draw her. Then, when I kept saying no, he finally went off and was like 'fine, I'll find others to draw her with me' which pissed me off.
I have never had this before, either, but I hate it when people tell artists "these prices are too high. I'd pay this much for -said artist- but not for you"
I've seen this before so many times and it's infuriating, especially when the two different artists have two different styles, but their anatomy and such are on par with each other. Like, people just can't seem to understand the difference in styles.
I've seen this before so many times and it's infuriating, especially when the two different artists have two different styles, but their anatomy and such are on par with each other. Like, people just can't seem to understand the difference in styles.
While I agree with most of it, 3rd to last (2nd from left bottom row in case that was unclear)...While it's annoying from the artist's perspective, I'd imagine sometimes the client is honestly just clueless just because they're not an artist. o.o
Not to nitpick - giggled at most of 'em.
Not to nitpick - giggled at most of 'em.
have to agree with you on the 3rd to last one... I am guilty of doing that myself, it is not because I am evil or so... it's mostly because I am not confident to put what is wrong into words.
When some artists draws the anatomy of the legs wrong, I can't simply say "Oh you twisted the left femur in the most distal third wrong. Now the knee is twisted by 15deg outwards instead of being straight." .... Instead I say "Hmm.. the anatomy of the leg .. doesn't look right".
Or sometimes I simply have no idea what part is wrong, but I can't also point my finger on it.
When some artists draws the anatomy of the legs wrong, I can't simply say "Oh you twisted the left femur in the most distal third wrong. Now the knee is twisted by 15deg outwards instead of being straight." .... Instead I say "Hmm.. the anatomy of the leg .. doesn't look right".
Or sometimes I simply have no idea what part is wrong, but I can't also point my finger on it.
My suggestion would be to find someone who can so they can help you out with that. As much as I hate it when someone tells me that, I understand that there is a difference between thinking of the image and actually seeing the image. So when anatomical problems come at hand, I would let them know that something seems off, and finding someone who can better help with the situation. Trust me, it doesn't help when someone says 'something is off' but can't explain it. I've had it before. When that happens, I take it to someone I can trust who will give me a better suggestion on the image and the anatomy.
I can relate, never worked retail or returns or customer service, but living in the USA I see a whole lot of bigoted people think that sign "The Customer is Always Right" means they deserve everything free and they are more important than other customers that had been waiting in line far longer than they. I've wanted to pick them up by the scruff of their necks and the backs of their lower garments and toss them into oncoming traffic.
More and more people are enjoying the game and I think that is inspiring more art. Plus, just recently the organized play for the game decided to go ahead and allow folks to play as kitsunes in game and I think that might have something to do with it. I could be wrong. I know I finally started to join Pathfinder Society as a kitsune ranger...
Oh god, I've come across quite a number of these from friends that take commissions xD The "best" one I have to say is one that had the misfortune to lend my services to. Went a little like this, "Oh sorry, I can't pay you just yet. I have to pay about 5 other artists I've left hanging as well for other commissions (then goes and commissions 2 more artists not too long after...)" Had I known they were such a flake, I wouldn't have taken up their commission but at that time I was a noob so to an extent it was my fault too but was a decent learning experience.
The ones who bitch about prices are always so hilarious because the prices that a good portion of artists in the community have set up for their services are a bit on the low end of the spectrum when compared with other illustrators... All I can say is there would be less furry commissions flying about if the prices were more realistic xD
The ones who bitch about prices are always so hilarious because the prices that a good portion of artists in the community have set up for their services are a bit on the low end of the spectrum when compared with other illustrators... All I can say is there would be less furry commissions flying about if the prices were more realistic xD
Dear god. If folks want a perfect character drawn so badly, they should have ref sheets. If you just describe what you want, it's part of the artists own imagination what comes up. And last but not least I want the unique style of the commissioned artist in the picture...right? ... Right? :( But customers are also picky when it comes to other stuff except art. Believe me, some pet owners are reborn pit lords, too. There must be an own part of hell itself for evil art commissioners. Right next to the overconfident artists region ;D
Why dose it hurt to know that ive heard almost all of these and then some.
One that thing i went through, before i ask for money first, was created a piece for a couple fans of a suiter and discovered later after digging into to some works that they hadn't ask permission from the creator to use there character/ stole other characters and said this and i quote "do you take payment in points" From Deviant Art... i sorta flipped a table and block/reported the user for mass fraud.
Rot in misery Commission from Hell!!!
One that thing i went through, before i ask for money first, was created a piece for a couple fans of a suiter and discovered later after digging into to some works that they hadn't ask permission from the creator to use there character/ stole other characters and said this and i quote "do you take payment in points" From Deviant Art... i sorta flipped a table and block/reported the user for mass fraud.
Rot in misery Commission from Hell!!!
Il be honest and say that ive been guilty of the bottom center-left at one occasion, knowing something as being wrong in the one image but just not being able to pinpoint where the problem is exactly. I really regretted that after realizing my error.
PS: amusingly, i dont condone to people making demands or coercion of any kind over the prices artists charge but was accused by an Artist skilled in reference sheets of ripping her off which is not true, when i commissioned a reference sheet to her price and approval and acting as if i was responsible for her under-pricing reference sheets. As i say artists are solely responsible for their own prices and what they charge, cant put blame on commissioners because you undercharge your own art...
sorry got carried away^^;
PS: amusingly, i dont condone to people making demands or coercion of any kind over the prices artists charge but was accused by an Artist skilled in reference sheets of ripping her off which is not true, when i commissioned a reference sheet to her price and approval and acting as if i was responsible for her under-pricing reference sheets. As i say artists are solely responsible for their own prices and what they charge, cant put blame on commissioners because you undercharge your own art...
sorry got carried away^^;
I have dealt with a lot of these kind of people personally having worked in the customer service industry for several years... I honestly don't know what's worse, the customers who act like this, or those people who are in the industry who try to "out ass" the asses... As a customer I can only try to be as accommodating to the person selling their services as possible... and can't apologize enough when I inconvenience them...
Oh my gosh I recently commissioned my friend for a chibi AND THEY DREW ALL MY STRIPES AS THEY ARE ON MY REF SHEET
I was like NOOOO JUST THE HEAD, NECK, AND WING MARKING ON THE BACK ARE CANON THE READ IS RANDOM
YOU POOR THING WHY DID YOU DO THAT TO YOUR SELF
not that I don't appreciate it but holy shit I only paid 10 bucks don't go all out TELL ME I'LL THROW MORE MONEY AT YOU
I was like NOOOO JUST THE HEAD, NECK, AND WING MARKING ON THE BACK ARE CANON THE READ IS RANDOM
YOU POOR THING WHY DID YOU DO THAT TO YOUR SELF
not that I don't appreciate it but holy shit I only paid 10 bucks don't go all out TELL ME I'LL THROW MORE MONEY AT YOU
Not gonna yell at you, because I think you've got a perfectly fair point.
I think the problem comes more from those of us who have it plastered all over our pages that we don't do requests or freebies, with all sort of clearly defined links to commission prices and examples, and STILL get asked if we'll draw stuff for free. It happens more often than you might think.
I think the problem comes more from those of us who have it plastered all over our pages that we don't do requests or freebies, with all sort of clearly defined links to commission prices and examples, and STILL get asked if we'll draw stuff for free. It happens more often than you might think.
I think that could go either way! Also, sometimes that one depends on who it comes from. If it's a friend being a dork and it's a hilarious idea, sure, why not! If it's some random internet person you've never met before... Er... No thank you. Please go away now. c.c;;;
*Sighs* . . . Bottom row, second to the left. I sadly one of those lads. *chuckles* I do not deny that since a wolfdrake is downright a bugger to draw, I will pay a little extra. Annoyingly, even then a commission never seems to be complete.
*shrugs shoulders* That is why I leave the professionals to the art.
*shrugs shoulders* That is why I leave the professionals to the art.
No different type of art. I mean a suit maker that said they refused to work on my suit because I paid up front and they weren't getting any more money from me, so there was no reason for them to work on it as they already made their money by getting me to pay up front. And that they would neither refund the labor not done nor return the materials sent for my suit.
Wow that person should go on buyer beware.
A friend had a similar issue with a fursuit maker where they basically gave her a poorly made suit head that showed clear signs of disregard for the basic care while making it. For instance the mouth went completely crooked whenever it was opened (which it was designed to do so). Then my friend told the maker to remake it due to negligence and the fact it had other signs that put it in a condition where furbuy would have been a better option.
So the maker basically tried to pull some bullshit saying that they weren't able to make deadline which was about 4 months after the fact because they didn't have the materials to make it. Although we noted the creator had put a head on furbuy which ironically had the same kinds of colors as my mate's fursuit. So yeah fursuit makers are fun experiences.
A friend had a similar issue with a fursuit maker where they basically gave her a poorly made suit head that showed clear signs of disregard for the basic care while making it. For instance the mouth went completely crooked whenever it was opened (which it was designed to do so). Then my friend told the maker to remake it due to negligence and the fact it had other signs that put it in a condition where furbuy would have been a better option.
So the maker basically tried to pull some bullshit saying that they weren't able to make deadline which was about 4 months after the fact because they didn't have the materials to make it. Although we noted the creator had put a head on furbuy which ironically had the same kinds of colors as my mate's fursuit. So yeah fursuit makers are fun experiences.
Probably the most painful part of this is that virtually everyone has been at least one of these at one point or another in some retail aspect. I have, relatively sane people have, that slovenly weirdo who frightens you by his mere presence has, even that sweetheart who means well and doesn't want to cause any trouble has.
Everyone.
Another reason why I don't do commissions.
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Everyone.
Another reason why I don't do commissions.
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Even tho I cant afford any artwork I don't request a decrease from the artist. I just accept it and admire what they have done. If by chance I do find something in my price range or win a raffle, then yippee for me. I wont ever sink so low as to argue with the artist or request a redo. I am happy with what I get.
kinda true! But remember, artists aren't mind readers.
so if someone says that there's something wrong, but they don't tell you what it is, the artist is generally left to deduce the problem on their own, which is majorly time consuming and inconvenient for the artist.
And for people who draw for a living, they can't afford (literally) to waste time figuring out what's wrong, when there isn't a genuine issue with the art.
so if someone says that there's something wrong, but they don't tell you what it is, the artist is generally left to deduce the problem on their own, which is majorly time consuming and inconvenient for the artist.
And for people who draw for a living, they can't afford (literally) to waste time figuring out what's wrong, when there isn't a genuine issue with the art.
Il just add also that artists them selves are just as well guilty to the top-middle 2 in similar form very often,
The artist may be the one drawing, doesnt mean they are always right ether, if i see a failure you clearly made from not following the given references then i certainly dont expect you to deny the fault and call me wrong even thou evidence clearly points to a error of your own.
And to the latter; if your doing auctions, ychs or taking commissions of any kind then please link to different examples of your work.
You dont like commissioners telling you to find their character references for them so why do laterally the same in return and expect commissioners to dig thru your whole gallery to for example get a most recent reference on your sketch or lineart skill?
Especially a big block if slots are taken in minutes...like most commissioners or buyers i would like to quickly see what i could get for the price, not be left in the dark.
The artist may be the one drawing, doesnt mean they are always right ether, if i see a failure you clearly made from not following the given references then i certainly dont expect you to deny the fault and call me wrong even thou evidence clearly points to a error of your own.
And to the latter; if your doing auctions, ychs or taking commissions of any kind then please link to different examples of your work.
You dont like commissioners telling you to find their character references for them so why do laterally the same in return and expect commissioners to dig thru your whole gallery to for example get a most recent reference on your sketch or lineart skill?
Especially a big block if slots are taken in minutes...like most commissioners or buyers i would like to quickly see what i could get for the price, not be left in the dark.
Remember people, don't be a douche to the artists who are kind and respectful. And if you really like the art that they did, remember to tip the artists (tip them with money, not give them tips on something you have no idea on =3=). This has been a Public Service Announcement.
second one on the bottom row; i can relate to that. sometimes you can't find it right away or find the proper term--which often leads to more confusion from the artist's side therein--but it is one thing ya shuold basically just stop from sending a reply, look it over til ya figure it out, then reply for that touchup/correction. :) (how i learned to do it at least over one really bad transaction i wound up causing ^^')
Oh no, I fear that the first commission I do for someone is going to end up going like one of these, maybe someone could give me a bit of advance. You see I have someone over on my DeviantArt account asking if I'll take commissions. The thing is since I lack confidence in my self I'm not open for commissions yet since I only have two sketches in my gallery but they asked anyway. So I thought what harm could their be in seeing what it is that this person wants. They asked for a sketch of a wolf character without a background, full body, single character. I thought $15 dollars sounded reasonable but since other artists would do it for $5 (or so he said) I thought that since what he was asking for was simple enough I decided $5 would be fine. The picture is suddenly of a human female hero character struggling against an anthro villain character who is trying to force a kiss on her. Fortunately nothing has been agreed upon yet and I'm still in contact with this individual trying to find out exactly what they want. I'm beginning to wonder if I've been a huge idiot by being willing to discuss it with them and a fool for saying I'll do it for $5. I'm thinking that I'll tell them since their asking for a hole lot more I'll have to raise the price. I just don't know what to do and since a lot of the people here have plenty of experience with this sort of thing you might be able to give me some advice. I hope I'm not being disrespectful posting this here, if so just let me know and I'll delete my post if that's even possible.
An artist will undoubtedly give you more specifics, but the best I've heard is figure out how long it takes you to do something, then what the minimum hourly wage you're willing to take for it.
If it takes you three hours to do a picture and they pay you 15$, that's 5$ an hour. Is working for them for 5$ an hour worth your time?
If it takes you three hours to do a picture and they pay you 15$, that's 5$ an hour. Is working for them for 5$ an hour worth your time?
I know these all too well. Fortunately, I haven't encountered them a ton, but I've dealt with each at least once.
Also had someone pester me for awhile that they wanted me to delete their commission from my gallery because they broke up with the person they had gotten the commission with or something. This was quite a while after the commission had been completed, so it's not like it was on my front page, it was really buried in my gallery.
Also had someone pester me for awhile that they wanted me to delete their commission from my gallery because they broke up with the person they had gotten the commission with or something. This was quite a while after the commission had been completed, so it's not like it was on my front page, it was really buried in my gallery.
That last one has got to be the stupidest one. Not only is that a pretty rude thing to say, that the other person's prices are too high, but seriously, asking someone to draw in someone else's art style is pretty much like asking a food maker to make you a toy. They simply can't, it's not what they do, it's not what they're good at.
#2 being always right does not equal individually indispensable.
#4 you're welcome to have a low opinion of me. invariably some will. this is not my problem.
free? sure:
let me draw anything i want and you can download a screen capture of it to your harts content,
as long as you don't call it yours or try to sell it.
(i understand people making art for a living can't always afford to do this,
fortunately, and i'm very glad, some people do make pictures of things i like,
who aren't dependent on their art for an income.)
(the reason i'm here, on f.a., or any online display and comment space,
is to see and share dreams of an alternative and possibly better world.
i couldn't art business my way out of wet paper bag. not that i've ever tried.)
#4 you're welcome to have a low opinion of me. invariably some will. this is not my problem.
free? sure:
let me draw anything i want and you can download a screen capture of it to your harts content,
as long as you don't call it yours or try to sell it.
(i understand people making art for a living can't always afford to do this,
fortunately, and i'm very glad, some people do make pictures of things i like,
who aren't dependent on their art for an income.)
(the reason i'm here, on f.a., or any online display and comment space,
is to see and share dreams of an alternative and possibly better world.
i couldn't art business my way out of wet paper bag. not that i've ever tried.)
Good Lord almighty!
I've heard similar stories from some of the Artists I follow on here and it's just crazy man...
I did back last year ask a artist to do a commission of one of my tallest comic book character when she had a chance
She got around to it eventually and I wanted to pay her
She refused and said it was a gift and asked if every thing looked alright
Told her I loved the way it looked and just needed a few color touches and it'll be even more perfect...keep in mind I was as nice as I could be about the whole thing =3
Well She went off flying over the pan handle...she did color in the missing color spots and it did look amazing and I thanked her and offered to pay her again...but she insisted to take it as a gift
So I learned that even if a artist messes up just a little
Keep your mouth shut even if they ask if you see errors
O.o
=3
I've heard similar stories from some of the Artists I follow on here and it's just crazy man...
I did back last year ask a artist to do a commission of one of my tallest comic book character when she had a chance
She got around to it eventually and I wanted to pay her
She refused and said it was a gift and asked if every thing looked alright
Told her I loved the way it looked and just needed a few color touches and it'll be even more perfect...keep in mind I was as nice as I could be about the whole thing =3
Well She went off flying over the pan handle...she did color in the missing color spots and it did look amazing and I thanked her and offered to pay her again...but she insisted to take it as a gift
So I learned that even if a artist messes up just a little
Keep your mouth shut even if they ask if you see errors
O.o
=3
Omg I love the little "Do you do free commissions?" guy/gal, he/she is o freaking cute lol... Anyways, I try and be a good customer (hell I even made a massive journal about somethings I highly, highly, HIGHLY value when conducting business) but I have been known to be the guy last row, saying about something is off... Ugh I hate being that guy too, I'm always like "I'm so sorry I don't know!!!"
I guess I have a hard time seeing how asking if you do free art is bad XD its simply a question, you can say no >.> unless your talking about the fact that you clearly have stated on your profile that you DONT do requests. Then yeah that would get annoying. I have had a few ask me if I take requests, I simply say no, but some times I do on streams. And left it at that, did not hurt me one bit to say no. Its never hellish to ask a question.
It's HOW they ask. If they say "requests", it wouldn't be an issue. However if they say " free commissions" and they fully understand the meaning of the word "commissions", it does become insulting. I've dealt with some people who asked for a free commission because they don't want to pay me for the work I do, thinking that if I do free artwork, food will magically appear in front of me and rent would take care of itself.
But if someone who has poor English and ask for " free commissions " and never heard of the word "request", I wouldn't take it as hard as those who just wants free artwork because they don't want to pay for the hard work one puts into their art.
But if someone who has poor English and ask for " free commissions " and never heard of the word "request", I wouldn't take it as hard as those who just wants free artwork because they don't want to pay for the hard work one puts into their art.
Yeah thats what im talking about. Not every one calls it requests. So for an artist to assume that they are doing it maliciously is sad :( I have ran into quite a few people that think commission just means "art made for you" which in a way it does though thats not FULLY what it means ya know?
I just think if both the commissioner and artist both took less aggressive stances towards each other, the furry community as a whole would be a much happier place. There is to much negative in this place as is.
I just think if both the commissioner and artist both took less aggressive stances towards each other, the furry community as a whole would be a much happier place. There is to much negative in this place as is.
XD This is like...the exact opposite of what I try to be. I'm pretty sure the artist I'm working with on my reference, 
gallivantcrow , thinks I'm great. X3 I'm just being patient and listening. o3o And not being a stuck-up punk. =V
Nice image X3 I can't wait to see the artists' version.
gallivantcrow , thinks I'm great. X3 I'm just being patient and listening. o3o And not being a stuck-up punk. =V Nice image X3 I can't wait to see the artists' version.
This pic is over 5 months old by the time I saw it but I just had to say that the chibi you used to showcase these commissioner bad moves is way too cute to be saying some of the garbage he is. Cx Too bad the proportions of rude people to not rude people is heavily stacked in the wrong direction in this fandom. :/ Really funny piece though, we'll done.
I'm kind of guilty of including In a couple additional details in minor aesthetic changes here or there.. But then again it is my fault for not providing the visuals or explaining them In the first place. There's only so much an artist can do without being overwhelmed with text references.
I do wonder sometimes, if anyone has actually been refused to be drawn, where it's not been specified "Male only/no winged characters" etc?
I remember one YCH from someone long ago that I won, and it was weird- the artist decided not to draw it and gave me my money back, which I guess I'm happy about. But here's the thing- they drew the pose/theme in the first place. It wasn't like I suggested an idea and they said no.
I remember one YCH from someone long ago that I won, and it was weird- the artist decided not to draw it and gave me my money back, which I guess I'm happy about. But here's the thing- they drew the pose/theme in the first place. It wasn't like I suggested an idea and they said no.
Uhh, I kind of feel bad since I did pull a number six, well sort of.
I decided to cancel a commission since the artist had taken five months to produce one and a half rough sketches of two black and white image commissions with the implication that they were only done when I started to ask for them. I did offer that he could keep half of the full payment for the work he had done so far, but he just got pissed at me over it.
I decided to cancel a commission since the artist had taken five months to produce one and a half rough sketches of two black and white image commissions with the implication that they were only done when I started to ask for them. I did offer that he could keep half of the full payment for the work he had done so far, but he just got pissed at me over it.
I can relate I was a custodian in Yellowstone np and not even 5 minutes after cleaning the bathrooms I was getting yelled at for "not cleaning the bathroom" the tourists had completely Tpead the bathroom and shit on the floor and pissed on the walls and trashed the sink. i was also constantly sweeping up food and picking up broken merchandise and tags and boxes from items that were stolen.
and other times id be getting kicked out of the bathroom in the middle of cleaning it because people are climbing over the sign that reads in massive print. RESTROOMS CLOSED FOR CLEANING
and other times id be getting kicked out of the bathroom in the middle of cleaning it because people are climbing over the sign that reads in massive print. RESTROOMS CLOSED FOR CLEANING
Actually, thinking about this it's kind of a perfect way to solve some problems (I don't yet have, but probably will at some point), with (problematic) clients:
I'ld just link them this picture, and ask them: "Could you please mark yourself on that list?" just to perhaps make them somewhat self-aware :D Or use it as an entry test: "Before you ask, make sure you're not one of theese, then write a note!"
I'ld just link them this picture, and ask them: "Could you please mark yourself on that list?" just to perhaps make them somewhat self-aware :D Or use it as an entry test: "Before you ask, make sure you're not one of theese, then write a note!"
While these are so true, and very funny while unfunny because they are true. I'd love to see your ''artist from hell'' one too, man i've seen some fucked up stuff
This one really famous artist who i wont name by name because that is shaming, has this TOS of
''If I run into trouble/don't have time or simply move on from your commission, I can refund it myself, even without any work done, and keep 50% of the money since you were still holding a slot.''
From a 15k watchers artist, which really high prices and has payment upfront on being placed in the waiting list.
Gonna be glorious to see your take on things too!
This one really famous artist who i wont name by name because that is shaming, has this TOS of
''If I run into trouble/don't have time or simply move on from your commission, I can refund it myself, even without any work done, and keep 50% of the money since you were still holding a slot.''
From a 15k watchers artist, which really high prices and has payment upfront on being placed in the waiting list.
Gonna be glorious to see your take on things too!
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