How much worse can it get for these two? I mean, aren't they already girls?~

Menopause?

She leaves that way a while! Sending them home to explain it to their folks!

She makes them wear skimppy clothes to advertise the store? XD

Holy shit, they're children, what is wrong with you???

the legal age of consent in japan is 14

*the more you know* :D

It WAS 14 in Canada until like, 10 years ago. Now its 16.

brazil is also 14

well they are like 10 or 9 in cat years so they are very old in human years .

I cannot believe the two of your are trying to justify pedophilia and the sexual objectification of children holy shit what would your mothers say if they read this.

They are not even our species why you keep defending imaginery species with imaginery age?

Can't tell if syrys. Especially on this site of all places XD

I guess he/she should never go to pixiv he/she would have a stroke XD

Something along the lines of "Why is this wanker getting so upset over fictional furry characters".

Actually, they're not getting upset because of some perceived slight toward a fictitious character. They're offended by the idea that someone on the internet wants to see a pair twelve-thirteen year old individuals dressed up and paraded about in a sexualized manner. When confronted about it, it's defended and explained away with "Relax, square, it's just a drawing."

The issue is not whether or not someone was hurt in the making of this page. The issue is an exhibited tendency towards a form of behavior deemed unhealthy.

It really doesn't matter if this is 'fake' or not. I still consider people who are cheering from the sidelines to make the kids get deflowered, or dress in sexy lingerie, to be incredibly gross individuals, validating unhealthy behaviors with whatever thin justification they can scrounge up.

Hell, I'm being generous with my estimate, 'cause this is the age they guessed:

"well they are like 10 or 9 in cat years so they are very old in human years."

So that's not a creepy desire to have, not at all. /sarcasm

Up until the end of the 1800's the age of consent was around 10~12, and it was perfectly acceptable to everyone for say a 30 year to be having sex with a 10 year old. This was only 130 years ago. Early feminist became outraged at the ridiculously obserd level of child prostitution becoming rampant in England. It was the kind of situation you could be walking down town and there would be some 9 year old offering herself to you in front of the courthouse kind of bad. *shivers* gah... >.<

People show up with such desires because it's nature, in the 10~12 year old range human beings become sexually active on the biological level. Human minds are there for tailored to see this as the low range of acceptable breeding partners, though not ideal. Ideal being what I would probly guess 16~20???? IDK something when the body is at it's sexual hormone peak which is different for everyone.

This is all biological, we are animals, the fact we can think affects our mind and behavior but we still have instinctual animal natures.

The fact that the norm of the age of consent being in forced is only a 130 years old, and the 16-18 age being only 95 years old, leads into some where between 5~12 or so generations and hardly long enough for something like this to affect our animal natures.

Rather anyone is willing to admit it or not, an attractive 13 year old is ...well attractive. It is something biologically hard coded into the brain and human body.

It is expected of people to have been raised however to push these thoughts aside, deny them, till the thought of them is unnerving and discussing. Now with all the social engendering over the years, it is.... that is how we fell, we learn this as we grow up WELL before the biological coponate kicks in, so when it dose we are repulsed and horrified by it and everything goes as it is suppose to per social norm.

There are people who have however to various digress come to terms with this nature in us and excepted it. This dose not make them sick or perverted, they won't act on it... they never would... the very idea of acting on it is repelling and horrifyingly discussing.... but they can see such things and find them appealing imagery.

It is the same with human nudity and not being bothered by seeing some one naked and being a nudest is totaly diffrent. lol

well thats a bad exsample but eh..... it's a complicated thing

The mind is a primal and fucked up place where we have a small conscious hold on things, and a lot of furs just chose not to sweat what ever BS floats around in there.... it's not conscious, you can't control it, why get upset about it?

Actualy that's in the ToS, and general good fury ediquite not to.

Or else I would be flipping out on the people who don't put some kinda warning thumbnail up instead of a shrunken thumbnail for stuff like hard core macro Vore -> scat or something gah x.x

I do not want to see that on the front page. >.<

"Up until the end of the 1800's the age of consent was around 10~12, and it was perfectly acceptable to everyone for say a 30 year to be having sex with a 10 year old. This was only 130 years ago. Early feminist became outraged at the ridiculously obserd level of child prostitution becoming rampant in England. It was the kind of situation you could be walking down town and there would be some 9 year old offering herself to you in front of the courthouse kind of bad. *shivers* gah... >.< "

Up until the ends of the 1800s, slavery was an acceptable process in most of the known world. People who owned slaves made up bullshit justifications for why it was 'right' or 'natural' or: "look, they wouldn't be able to survive without our help, they need this.

"People show up with such desires because it's nature, in the 10~12 year old range human beings become sexually active on the biological level. Human minds are there for tailored to see this as the low range of acceptable breeding partners, though not ideal. Ideal being what I would probly guess 16~20???? IDK something when the body is at it's sexual hormone peak which is different for everyone."

Good god Piers Anthony, come off it. People are also born with all manner of malfunctions. It's 'natural' for people to be born with bipolar disorder, to go grow into Alzheimer's, it's natural for someone to be born with a tendency toward sociological patterns and the desire to torture other animals. So why don't we allow these things? Why don't we treat them as just another acceptable quirk of being human? We don't because Natural does not equal Good. This isn't some question of 16-20 years old, the kids in the example are - again - Nine-Ten. They didn't 'maybe' go through puberty early, they're not 'possibly' more mature. That's complete nonsense. Studies have already been undertaken on subjects like this for decades and centuries. This is not healthy for young people, and it's not healthy for adults to use their position or experience to push them there.

I work Customer Service/Tech Support for a Children's mmo, and I get to see grooming every day when I sort through Discipline views, it's fucking heinous.

"This is all biological, we are animals, the fact we can think affects our mind and behavior but we still have instinctual animal natures."

All animals can think, all mammals can think to a degree especially relatable to us. We remain Sapient by our ability to act in spite of any natural instincts for the sake of a reasoned and practiced sense of morality. So thanks for basically suggesting we throw that ability for deductive reasoning away.

"The fact that the norm of the age of consent being enforced(*) is only a 130 years old, and the 16-18 age being only 95 years old, leads into some where between 5~12 or so generations and hardly long enough for something like this to affect our animal natures."

So your logic is that we can't enforce it because it hasn't been enforced long enough to be natural? Do you even think about what you say before you spew bullshit rationalizations?

"Rather anyone is willing to admit it or not, an attractive 13 year old is ...well attractive. It is something biologically hard coded into the brain and human body."

Projecting, and you don't seem to have any notion of how fetishes or sexual programming works. Go ahead and research it honestly sometime, it'd do you some good to know a subject before you bother talking about it.

"It is expected of people to have been raised however to push these thoughts aside, deny them, till the thought of them is unnerving and discussing. Now with all the social engendering over the years, it is.... that is how we fell, we learn this as we grow up WELL before the biological coponate kicks in, so when it dose we are repulsed and horrified by it and everything goes as it is suppose to per social norm."

I get the feeling you're like, talking about teenagers in high school experimenting with each other, which I have very little problem with provided they're monitored and no one is forming a predatory or harmful relationship. The problem is that this isn't an issue of scandalous relationships between teenagers on the fucking CW, this is adult human beings, lusting after children openly, and getting defensive when people say "Yo, so you're aware that's fucking unhealthy and not morally appropriate, right?" There's a huge difference.

"There are people who have however to various digress come to terms with this nature in us and excepted it. This dose not make them sick or perverted, they won't act on it... they never would... the very idea of acting on it is repelling and horrifyingly discussing.... but they can see such things and find them appealing imagery."

Again, your conclusion is based on a flawed or absolute lack of understanding toward human psychology. There is such a thing as an acquired fucking taste. Yes, it can occur naturally, the same way all manner of other harmful broken mindsets can. You fail to understand the the different developmental stages of the human 'brain' (BRAIN, not the 'mind'). You fail to understand reinforced behavioral tendencies and thought patterns. You're treating this shit like it's identical to being born gay, and that just ain't so.

"It is the same with human nudity and not being bothered by seeing some one naked and being a nudest is totaly diffrent. lol"

The issues are unrelated. This isn't a subjective preference. There are actual reasons why this is harmful and destructive.

"well thats a bad exsample but eh..... it's a complicated thing."

You're damned right it's a poor example, and I'm sure it's very complicated pulling shit out of your ass that sounds good and supports your claim.

"The mind is a primal and fucked up place where we have a small conscious hold on things, and a lot of furs just chose not to sweat what ever BS floats around in there.... it's not conscious, you can't control it, why get upset about it?"

Because people 'can' control such tendencies, and there are ample reasons to do so. Conscious thought is the greatest tool sapient humans possess, I suggest you employ it sometime, and accept that sometimes society makes changes because get this - the way things 'naturally' emerged is neither healthy nor morally appropriate.

wow you get an A+ in reading in between the lines when there isn't anything there. lol

I am not supporting it, I have researched such things, and I am working to a psychological digree.

Nudity is a similar exsample in the way that it's something people only had a problem with because some one told them they should have a problem with it, and enough people agreed on it till it became a part of culture and people started feeling bad about being nude.

And slavery has never been considered an acceptable practice, it's just the rich and powerful could do it and there was little anyone else could do about it except set slaves free and try and stop slavers... such acts have gone on for thousands of years, and people have outlawed slavery many times over the past thousand years.... people like to beleave EVERYONE supported slavery up to a little bit ago only because the US did, and no one wants to admit there goverment is wrong on anything.

And your right to nitpick on over-generality, but that a bad habit of the English language. 100% and 0 are mental constructs that do not exsist, but we are conditioned to use them because it's easier to generalize. But yes most people have very broad sexual desires that they are not comfortable with and they deny to the point of not thinking they have them. There is very little a hormone filled mind won't find attractive really so it all comes down to brain chemistry.

Just like some people are gay there are some people that like little kids. This is a rather disturbing fact that stuff like that "to catch a predator" really really really drives this knee jerk generalization into peoples brains. That if you find some one under 18 atractive your a monster that goes out and rapes children left and right. This isnt true, MOST people find people under 18 attractive it's a statistical fact, just very very very few are willing to admit it for the simple reason reactions like this are common place and it is exstreamly easy to get a 'sexual offender' tag thrown on your record and nearly imposable to get it removed. (Some one can knock you out, steal all your clothing, and dump you naked in a ditch.... and your listed a sexual offender for incident exposure when you wonder into town looking for help) I have known a few people who have had there lives destroied for this. (one because he turned 18 three months before his girlfriend and her parents had him arrested the second he did. It took him till he was 34 to get that removed and has not been able to get a job because of that listing.)

Finding something attractive dose not mean you will act on that attraction.

And honestly even if it did, let me ask you this.... Would you rather have some pedophile fapping to child porn, or out raping some poor kid?

But that's not what this is about, it's about some one who don't even seen them as kids, hell they don't look underage to me.... they look the same way every other freaking furry is and the only reason you know there underage is some one told you.. and that person might not even have read that part!!!!! >.< But yah.... there is that, and there is the fact it's ink on a page not a kid.... AND it's not even human..... why arn't you freaking out about that?

No OMG it's bestiality!!!!!!!!


Oh yah, speaking of bestiality, that reminds me..... I beleave it's in the ToS you are NOT alowed to question / chastise / or generally make any comments about how apouled you are at anyone's perversions.

That and that is just general furry unspoken ediquite.

"I am not supporting it, I have researched such things, and I am working to a psychological digree."

Every comment you've made on this page has been nothing but ruthless apologism of pedophilia, not the actual practice itself, but in the sense that it's 'natural to have these urges, and they should be voiced without fear of reprisal, treated as an accepted aspect of the human condition.' (paraphrase)

I find it fascinating that you're working on a degree in Psychology, when you can neither spell degree properly, no properly label the field itself. You may want to get that general education taken care of before you start bandying about the notion that you're anything approaching an educated mind on it.

"Nudity is a similar exsample in the way that it's something people only had a problem with because some one told them they should have a problem with it, and enough people agreed on it till it became a part of culture and people started feeling bad about being nude."

Ignoring the fact that someone had to have a problem with nudity from the get go, to enforce the idea that there is a problem with nudity - they are not at all the same thing. Limitations of the human body's ability to handle climate and environments aside - there is no reason for why the naked human body is destructive or immoral, as explained in my previous comments, there are demonstrable reasons for why pedophilia is a fetish, not anything approaching a general sexuality, and that it is harmful to those on the receiving end of it.

"And slavery has never been considered an acceptable practice, it's just the rich and powerful could do it and there was little anyone else could do about it except set slaves free and try and stop slavers..."

Citation Fucking Needed.

"such acts have gone on for thousands of years, and people have outlawed slavery many times over the past thousand years.... people like to beleave EVERYONE supported slavery up to a little bit ago only because the US did, and no one wants to admit there goverment is wrong on anything.""

People have denied slavery in the past, that's true, the Persian Empire is a really good example, compared to the greeks, which had city-states that could not function without them.

Unfortunately, your rebuttal misses my point entirely. Your argument is that it was a behavior humanity has engaged in until very recently, but there are also plenty of cultures that have denounced intercourse with minors, and who did not set the bar at ages at 9 or 10 or whatever else. What's more, in this pre-modern world where kids were adults at the age of 14-15? That's because they weren't likely to live to/past the age of 30...

My point is that precedent does not suggest correctness.

"And your right to nitpick on over-generality, but that a bad habit of the English language."

I'm right to engage in a bad habit of the English language? Please make sense.

"100% and 0 are mental constructs that do not exsist, but we are conditioned to use them because it's easier to generalize."

Are you trying to argue that there is no pure black and white? Because that's a philosophical idea that is beyond the scope of this argument. If you're arguing that nothing can really be known, then I suggest you try leaving a second floor building via a window. You can't possibly know it won't work.

"But yes most people have very broad sexual desires that they are not comfortable with and they deny to the point of not thinking they have them. There is very little a hormone filled mind won't find attractive really so it all comes down to brain chemistry."

There is very little a hormone-influenced mind won't find attractive after sufficient mental programming via the reward issues by erotic release. Fixed that for you, and it's still not accurate, because if you don't like women - guess what? You're not gonna like women.

"Just like some people are gay there are some people that like little kids."

Still bullshit. Gay, Lesbian, Bi, etc, those are sexual orientations. Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, it's a fetish. You are not sexually oriented toward transformations, it is a fetish pretty much anyone can acquire after sufficient exposure and mental reinforcement.

"This is a rather disturbing fact that stuff like that "to catch a predator" really really really drives this knee jerk generalization into peoples brains."

Most people are idiots, that doesn't change how destructive or ultimately harmful a thing is. Sorry, but the persecution card really doesn't matter here.

"That if you find some one under 18 atractive your a monster that goes out and rapes children left and right. This isnt true, MOST people find people under 18 attractive it's a statistical fact."

First, the individuals you're citing are people who find 16-17 year olds attractive. Not 9-10 year olds, you can't keep changing the definition to suit your argument.

Two, you're still hurting your argument because that isn't an ingrained trait, it's indicative of our standards of beauty in modern western society. In differently cultures, older women with more mature bodies were vastly preferred. In today's society the standards of beauty for women are such that they are near impossible to pull off except by the very young. An actress's career, unless she is received with immediate acclaim, dissolves past the age of 24-25.

"just very very very few are willing to admit it for the simple reason reactions like this are common place and it is exstreamly easy to get a 'sexual offender' tag thrown on your record and nearly imposable to get it removed."

People get slapped with a sex offender record because they engage in or act against implemented laws to prevent sex offenses, not because they got arrested by the thought police. Your Illuminati is in another castle.

"(Some one can knock you out, steal all your clothing, and dump you naked in a ditch.... and your listed a sexual offender for incident exposure when you wonder into town looking for help)"

/eyeroll

Uh... No you're not?

"I have known a few people who have had there lives destroied for this. (one because he turned 18 three months before his girlfriend and her parents had him arrested the second he did. It took him till he was 34 to get that removed and has not been able to get a job because of that listing.)"

Still fixating on some abusing a technicality in the legal system that is being reviewed, instead of focusing on the actual fucking issue in question. Thanks for being so consistent at least.

"Finding something attractive dose not mean you will act on that attraction."

Reinforcing a fetish that is damaging to others is morally unjust. Demanding others put up with it without comment is unreasonable.

"And honestly even if it did, let me ask you this.... Would you rather have some pedophile fapping to child porn, or out raping some poor kid?"

If they are so out of control that they cannot avoid acting out a destructive behavior, then they need to rehabilitated by a well-funded supported mental health system, which as a future "psychological digree" bearer, you should be on board with.

"But that's not what this is about, it's about some one who don't even seen them as kids, hell they don't look underage to me.... they look the same way every other freaking furry is and the only reason you know there underage is some one told you.. and that person might not even have read that part!!!!! >.< But yah.... there is that, and there is the fact it's ink on a page not a kid...."

They are fucking obviously children, they didn't even start this comic as furries, so where's your fucking excuse now? The entire context of the comic is them being kids helping out at a store. The lengths you go to justify this continues to astound.

"AND it's not even human..... why arn't you freaking out about that?

No OMG it's bestiality!!!!!!!!"

Bestiality is wrong because animals are non-sapient creatures that lack the emotional and logical intelligence and maturity to provide informed consent. I don't want to 'read between your lines' or whatever, but it's the same fucking reason why you can't drug someone and then have sex with them without it being rape. Animals lack agency, bestiality isn't wrong because they're a different species, it's wrong because they lack agency, maturity, intelligence, and therefor: reason.

Since furries are just creatures that look different whilst possessing human-level intelligence, it isn't even the same fucking thing. (literally)

"Oh yah, speaking of bestiality, that reminds me..... I beleave it's in the ToS you are NOT alowed to question / chastise / or generally make any comments about how apouled you are at anyone's perversions."

If you took a few moments to read the sites Terms of Service you wouldn't have to believe, you'd know. Also, you don't mean the Terms of Service, which have nothing to do with this, and everything to do with covering their legal asses. You're referring to the Code of Conduct.

The Code of Conduct says nothing about voicing whatever opinion you want, and being beyond reproach, it does however say the following:

1.1 - Do not encourage or participate in illegal activity. This includes drug abuse, piracy, and copyright infringement. While you may openly debate the validity of current laws, you may not discuss any personal experiences of engaging in illegal activity, or post or link to content that is illegal in Pennsylvania or the USA.

While it's not illegal to voice some of the stuff that got tossed around in these comments, it's borderline in certain areas, so it's toeing the line very dangerously. It certainly doesn't put this fetish at the top of some kind of protection list.

1.3 - Do not threaten anyone. This includes both physical and financial harm (theft or vandalism), alluded or explicit.

I haven't done this, so I think I'm pretty peachy there.

1.6 - Do not harass anyone. This includes discussing personal quarrels and calling out, flaming, airing, bullying other users, and evading any block a user has put into place, such as using an alternate account or commenting at the user, but excludes civil discussion about topics of public interest such as celebrities, government officials, and business experiences.

So far I haven't taken to insulting you in any of the following ways:

1.8 - Do not engage in malicious speech. This includes bigotry and disparaging remarks about anyone’s race, ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, and sexual orientation.

So considering this is an otherwise civil discussion about a legal topic, I'm fine here as well.

1.7 - Do not promote, glorify, instruct how, or encourage anyone to hurt themselves. This includes eating disorders, cutting, and suicide.

If you want to get technical, this is a rated G comic, and the behavior in some of these comments could be considered 'Grooming', which is just one expression of the harmful behavior being illustrated in my posts.

"That and that is just general furry unspoken ediquite."

What, are furries pirates now? If the code is unspoken, how does everyone have it set down in any meaningful uniform way? Or did you kind of just pull the Furry Code out of your ass like everything else?

"Actualy that's in the ToS, and general good fury ediquite not to."

It's actually not, and if it were it would be in the Code of Conduct.

"Or else I would be flipping out on the people who don't put some kinda warning thumbnail up instead of a shrunken thumbnail for stuff like hard core macro Vore -> scat or something gah x.x"

Then I, despite my distaste for pretty much everything fetish on this site, would comment that you're making an ass of yourself, because Vore is not a possible behavior to engage in, and hurts no one in any meaningful way, except when paired with a fetish that does.

The closest thing to that would be cannibalism, and that's another matter entirely, that's also an issue because you know, murder and shit.

"I do not want to see that on the front page. >.<"

You seem to be under the misguided notion that those of us are taking offense because it's not our kink. You're missing the point. We're taking offense because it's a destructive behavior that shouldn't be coddled or respected.

It's not a destructive behavior for some one to have a thought and voice it, but that's beside the point. You continue to contextualize everything in an argumentative light and are resorting to the lowest rims of suto-intalectualizem, the spelling/grammar nazi, because you know linguistics is the only sign of intellect. By the way no 100% and 0 are not possible when you get into it, there conceptual constructs, hell all of math and language are conceptual constructs to bring order and communication for our prospecsion of reality, and are not the same as other peoples consept yap constructs for there prospectives on there reality. But that is a lot of nonsensical bs that amounts to much of nothing unless you going into some ridiculous high math/science, and really only maters to say nothing is absolute.

The age of consent was not a thing anyone really cared much about in the past, the only reason it's really a harmful thing is pregnancies before 15-16 or so tend to have a much much higher miscarriage rate than after, and everyone knows teenagers are hormonal and do stupid stupid stupid things because of it. That though I feel is good enough a reason, though I do honestly fell prison and throwing a life destroying label on there record is not a way to deal with it. Medication and state mandated therapy is, unless that don't work then by all means lock them bastards up.

It isn't a fetish though it is something wrong with them it may be like sexual orientation and be brain chemistry or it may be something that happened to them, but if there not acting on it and getting therapy people shouldn't be hard on them for being sick.

The whole point though is none of it is about that, your the ones drawing those conclusions from it.

There was nothing said about it being a sexual thing or finding the idea attractive. It was a comment about embarising them, not sexualizing them. Teens dress boys up as girls and dump them in public places, they don't do it because there perverts they do it because they think it's funny.

But like I said, it don't matter, your looking for a fight and want to troll/rant/whatever and nothing anyone says will change that, so have fun with that.

But no one is saying 10 year olds are sexy, your putting words in people's moth and bitch about it, and now that you have people just saying hey your not the thought police chill.

That and there talking about a drawing, a drawing about another world, other beings with who knows what kinda biology, and lots and lots of magic.

It's not a destructive behavior for some one to have a thought and voice it, but that's beside the point.

It's not besides the point, and I didn't say it was. I said that it mentally reinforces a behavior and thought pattern that is predatory and destructive toward others, therefor it is not something that should be coddled or protected as only natural.

You continue to contextualize everything in an argumentative light

To contextualize something means giving important perspective by citing similar examples or relevant background.

I'm failing to see why this is a bad thing. Unless you meant that I'm warping my facts to make something seem wrong when it isn't, if so you meant 'negative' light, not argumentative, which brings us to your next point:

and are resorting to the lowest rims of suto-intalectualizem, the spelling/grammar nazi, because you know linguistics is the only sign of intellect.

I did it once, out of the entire cluster fuck that is your writing. Why I did it had nothing to shove how inarticulate you are down your throat, and had everything to do with a lack of respect. I cannot take your claim of pursuing psychology seriously, when you don't even have the decency or respect to spell the title of your supposed future profession properly.

Being poor with language and grammar isn't some defensible right you have, this isn't me just persecuting you. It is legitimately difficult to comprehend some of the things you say because either your spelling is wrong, your grammar is wrong, or you outright use words that don't mean what you think they mean. That's not my fault, it's the fault of the person stating their position, and I've been content to let it slide 99% of the time.

By the way no 100% and 0 are not possible when you get into it, there conceptual constructs,

They are absolutely possible. I know with 100% certainty that if I step outside of my window I'm going to fall 24 feet to the ground. I know that if I don't eat food I will die. I know that if I rev my car up to 88mph It will not go back in time. To that end, I know that there's a 0% chance I will win the lottery if I never enter it. A 0% chance I will survive if I choose to stay underwater entirely, and so forth.

So drop the whole 'we can't know anything, it's all just an aspect of human perception' nonsense, we have empirical evidence.

hell all of math and language are conceptual constructs to bring order and communication for our prospecsion of reality,

See this is what I am talking about, I don't fucking know what you're saying. The symbols we use in Math are designed to help us share and communicate mathematical constants in how the world around us operates. Those constant natural phenomena are not a human construct, and the symbols allow us to communicate these constants to each other in a meaningful way. It's like someone complaining that DNA contains actual code the way a computer does—obviously it doesn't, but the code we designed for it accurately describes the tendencies to other human beings in a meaningful way. Our brains do the rest, usually.

and are not the same as other peoples consept yap constructs for there prospectives on there reality. But that is a lot of nonsensical bs that amounts to much of nothing unless you going into some ridiculous high math/science, and really only maters to say nothing is absolute.

If it's non-sense then why are you spewing it at me? There are things that are demonstrably absolute.

The age of consent was not a thing anyone really cared much about in the past,

Citation Needed.

We also didn't really believe in or care about washing our hands as a way of preventing the spread of disease, or birth control in general. PRECEDENT DOES NOT ESTABLISH VALIDITY.

the only reason it's really a harmful thing is pregnancies before 15-16 or so tend to have a much much higher miscarriage rate than after,

No it's not? Come on, you're a future fucking psychologist, you ought to know and be aware of the stages of human development and the level maturity and ability the possess in terms of providing consent and emotional frailty. If that were the only reason why we disallowed it, we'd also take STRONG offense to women in their forties or higher having children, which is a statistic increase in birth defects and complications.

and everyone knows teenagers are hormonal and do stupid stupid stupid things because of it.

A transgender individual in their 20s is also hormonal, and are capable of engaging in sex without damaging their psychological development. Hormones are not the deciding factor here. Adolescents and young Teenagers do "stupid stupid stupid things" because their lack of development and psychological maturity. Even then, you do not finish developing in these ways until around the age of 24-26.

That though I feel is good enough a reason, though I do honestly fell prison and throwing a life destroying label on there record is not a way to deal with it. Medication and state mandated therapy is, unless that don't work then by all means lock them bastards up.

Wonderful, I suggested the very same thing in my last comment. I'm not a huge fan of the American prison system in general. Admittedly I have no idea which one you are referring to.

It isn't a fetish though it is something wrong with them

It is a fetish, and it is something wrong with them, these labels are not mutually exclusive, nor should one imply that all fetishes are bad because of it.

it may be like sexual orientation and be brain chemistry

:|

or it may be something that happened to them, but if there not acting on it and getting therapy people shouldn't be hard on them for being sick.

They should not be harmful to this supposed 'Therapy' that everyone who 'jokes' about it on Furaffinity, by enabling or coddling regressive behavior.

The whole point though is none of it is about that, your the ones drawing those conclusions from it.

We're not drawing conclusions, they're sitting right out there for people to see. The fuck don't you understand about 'deflowering'?

There was nothing said about it being a sexual thing or finding the idea attractive. It was a comment about embarising them, not sexualizing them. Teens dress boys up as girls and dump them in public places, they don't do it because there perverts they do it because they think it's funny.

See my above point, and high school shenanigans like that still need to get reined in.

But like I said, it don't matter, your looking for a fight and want to troll/rant/whatever and nothing anyone says will change that, so have fun with that.

So your argument now is that I can't be reasoned with, because you've refused to provide anything meaningful to support your position? Cry persecution complex some more, I'm done.

But no one is saying 10 year olds are sexy, your putting words in people's moth and bitch about it, and now that you have people just saying hey your not the thought police chill.

Plenty of people have in these comments, here and in previous pages, that you refuse to acknowledge that is pretty understandable—the only way you can succeed is by redefining the situation at hand.

That and there talking about a drawing, a drawing about another world, other beings with who knows what kinda biology, and lots and lots of magic.

>:[

The whole holy-walls-of-useless-internet-debate aside, I think he's doing pretty good for someone for whom English may be a second, third, or greater language.

Not everyfur is born in the UK/USA, after all, and s/he has a point that it's kind of an irrelevant ad-hominem to attack his/her spelling and word choice, especially when the rest of your arguments are cogent enough to stand on their own without that kind of attack.

It's okay white knight "for the children," but let's keep it civil, m'kay?

Their profile states that they believe it is their right as an American to murder the English language, so I don't think that's the reason. I think they're just lazy. I found it incredibly disrespectful, so I was disrespectful right back. This is not to say that there aren't people in the United States with English as a second language - but I feel it's reaching to just give them the benefit of the doubt, especially in light of all the evidence.

Nah it's my only language I've tried to learn others but the only reason I learned English was that childhood brain boost. lol. Communication in General is something my brain fails to handle properly, it is a serious disability.

Also right of free speach covers poor speach. Lol so we do have the right. *snicker*

But point there is we don't speak English, we speak Americanized english, that most English speaking folk consider butchered English.

So...here's my take on this argument. There is a certain validity to the base argument that if you're going to accept that people are born gay, which the science is still out on ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, neither proven nor disproven (and that's beyond the scope of this topic), but simply that if you're going to accept that premise, then you are by extension saying that people should be allowed to do certain things because they are naturally inclined to do so.

Up to that point right up there, there is a certain base logic to it. The issue is that that logic, also doesn't set any kind of boundaries. Once you start moving past that into specifics, that's where issues start to arise.

azraile, you've danced around the point quite a bit so I'm just going to ask you straight-up, looking for a very simple answer to three very straightforward questions:
1) Do you think people having sex with children (9-10 year old range, as portrayed in this comic) is overall (the word "overall" accounting for your policy on absolutes) right or wrong?
2) Do you think people supporting/encouraging people having sex with children, same age range, is overall right or wrong?
3) Do you think people discouraging people from having sex with children, same age range, is overall right or wrong?

Now as far as this bit goes...

I mean in this tread of comments, I'm not pretending the others went happening I'm just looking back to what has been responded to, your going to chastise some one for things other people say? And now they have even said they where talking about it would just be funny and it had nothing to do with anything sexual.

I don't see that anywhere in this comment thread, but I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Please, if it does, quote it.

There are not absolutes, you might only fall 18 feet and land on a car, your likely to end up in a hospital with an IV if you don't eat, ect there are near absolutes and what seam as absolute to some one. It is a bad habit to talk in a absolutes and should have stuff like "nearly" or "as far as I know" and stuff. But like I said beyond it just being a bad habit I'm trying to brake, it only really comes into play with high math and science.

Saying nothing is absolute is inherently flawed, and patently false. It sounds good on paper, and is easy to argue in favor of, but that doesn't make it true. This could be argued back and forth all day, and would in the end be a completely useless discussion.

100% of the time.

Real serous math don't have all that much use with numbers though as they are conceptual concepts math and language are relative consent a that we use to explain what we pensive in the world.

Eeeeeeeeeeh, I'm going to disagree with you here. See, you have stated that you're working on a degree in Psychology. Cool. Me, I'm a linguist, both by profession and by hobby. I study languages. I personally favor Korean and Japanese, and dabble in European languages. I also study ancient Egyptian in my spare time, because I'm an Egyptology nerd.

Saying language is a relative constant is pretty effortless to disprove. Go watch an episode of a TV show even just from a couple decades ago and you'll notice they talk a little funny. The further back you go, the more weird it'll sound. Why? Well, that's easy. Language is a CONSTANTLY and extremely rapidly evolving societal construct.

I know this more than anyone because I have a brain/leading disorder

As claimed by just about everyone on the internet.

that makes pros seeing this concept difficult.

...what?

While I am fully capable of understanding some profound truths

As claimed by just about everyone on the internet. What profound truths are you privy to that the rest of us are not?

I have trouble exsainning them with my language barrier, and while I exsel at mathematical formula and procedures I have a hard time memorizing the formula and am slow to do the actual numerical calculations. Thankfully professors are not permitted to grade me on my spelling (and outside writhing/English there not allowed to grade on grammar ether) and you get to use calculators. I have worked hard and continue to day in and day out to improve this and it is not an easy thing, originally I was scalled to show 73% of the population my age could spell better than me (including those that English was not there first language) and 60 some % had better grammar. My writing was near unreadable, even running it through a spell checker. I have made vast improvement over the many years, and at times would have got a passable grade even if they counted spelling.

This isn't something I would brag about and I'm about to tell you why.

I would not sight it as some suto-intalectualisizem

See, when I look at "suto-intalectualisizem" on my computer here, it puts this nifty wavy red line underneath it to tell me it's misspelled. When I right-click on it, it immediately comes up with "intellectualism" so...yeah. If your browser isn't doing that for you, and you're clearly aware that your writing is extremely difficult to understand, and you want to have intellectual discussions anyway, then you're being both arrogant and irresponsible by not getting one, because you cited spell checkers so you know they exist. If you do have one and are ignoring it, then you're STILL being both arrogant and irresponsible.

if it wasn't for the fact you use it to try and assault my intelligence, this is the lowest form of argument such people take. It is a prime example of projection that blatantly ignores there own spelling and grammar errors

And yet by saying this, you just committed the very same thing you're railing against.

and the simple fact that English is the native language if only 5% of the population

True, but completely irrelevant, as you have identified yourself as an American English speaker.

and it's methods for spelling and grammar go agent the trends of the majority of other languages

Not true.

making it one of the, if not the, hardest language to know. This makes it a horrible method to try and judge infect with.

True, but again, irrelevant for the same reason.

That aside any intelligent can tell you that there is no means I judge intellect.

I don't know, this sentence is a pretty good judge. The fact of the matter is, there is a direct correlation between education and intellect, and intelligent, educated people tend to bother with things like grammar and spelling because if they are going to bother to make an argument, then they want to be understood.

I mean, read your sentence out loud. Does that sound even remotely close to correct to you?

Yes I know that and the absolute statement that there are no absolutes are contradictory, life is contradictory as so much of it is relative constructs our minds interpret.

True enough.

Though I should probably stay away from such topics because we don't all need a bunch of headaches. >.<

Or more accurately, because they're still completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

But the point is one way you can generally tell some one isn't smart

I'm confused, just three sentences earlier you said there are no means I judge intellect.

or alto east feels they are not smart is that they care about it, and more so care about the lack of intelligence in others. They are frustrated about the lack of intelligence on a grand scale but not on an individual level unless it is something they have to deal with for an extended time with people having no intent I trying. Granted this is just from what I know and the are exceptions but most people just don't care.

...yeah, I've been trying to work with you here, but I genuinely have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here.

More than that is the general wording used, one thing my mind is excel snot at is patterns particularly spatial ones or ones that translate into ones, language patterns that have cause and affects and relations that form such patterns are easy to spot once you are aware of them.

Sure thing. In fact there's even a word for this concept. Linguistical patterns that have causes and effects and relations that form patterns, are also known as "grammar" which you said you're really bad at, and then turned around and said you excel snot at it.

Your patterns are the same kinda I like arguing and making people fell bad patterns so preveliant on the internet, the whole I will show I'm better than you to myself by belittling you

Sure, I'll give you this one. The internet is full of that. Anonymity is a fascinating thing.

and arguing every point you make into a no point or make it wrong or seam wrong.

This is kind of the whole entire point of arguing though, and I mean arguing as in making a case or debating. Proving someone else wrong is frequently the entire point because this is how truth is arrived at and propagated.

Being subject to this behavior for over 15 years in real life and over coming them, online it's just helarois to me to witness. So while I am trying to make a point I find it quite amusing even if there is no point in trying. Besides I'm not the only person that laughs about people acting like this, and I do like making others happy.

By the same token, there are people that like to try to better the world around them by pointing out problems where they see them. I will also point out that this comment comes across as extremely arrogant. Again.

Nah it's my only language

This again proving the points that I made earlier.

I've tried to learn others but the only reason I learned English was that childhood brain boost. lol. Communication in General is something my brain fails to handle properly, it is a serious disability.

I disagree because you clearly have points that you want to make. As I indicated earlier, your problem isn't communication ability, because the tools are there to supplement that. Your abject refusal to use them is the problem.

Also right of free speach covers poor speach. Lol so we do have the right. *snicker*

No one said a word about free speech. I don't really know where you're coming from with this one.

But point there is we don't speak English, we speak Americanized english, that most English speaking folk consider butchered English.

This is impossible, because Americans speaking English derives from the fact that we were, mostly, originally British. Since you earlier stated that language is a constant, then this would mean that we still speak identical English to the Brits (and for that matter, the other English-speaking countries as well) so....decide.

/highfives Egyptology fan. ♦

Heck yes Egyptology. I was rather surprised when I learned how easy hieroglyphs are to read.

Language is a conseptual thing not a constant, you can blame auto correct on that one. And most of what I type on the things I don't know how to spell are so bad that those tools are worthless, I usaly have to retype a word several times before it can give me a correction an then later I often find it to be the worng word.

The whole it's my right or just saying I'm dislexic, is usaly what I end up resorting to because people identify more with things they understand, and the doctors don't even understand my disorder. I only reasently came to the conclusion myself a few months ago in an apiphimay about the conseptual relitevity of language and math being something my mind don't handle well. It brings my aspurgers and autism into light aswell as all tighed to the conseptual constructs of my mind do not mesh all that well with those of other people, and my mind is slow as balls acsepting them or outright won't and I have to work in work arounds. Yet some things like hate and how people read into things you say seing things you did not say, are things my mind can just never wrap around.

Paradoxel things like no absolutes are a part of the problem created by relative constructs and our means of communicating. Absolutes only exsist as consepts and means to discribe our perception of reality to some one. The only time you see numbers in higher math is stuff like the square rote of two times an imagenary number, or the like. Math is held high because it the closest thing to a constant we know of, it's really damn close. But you can break it down and make 1 + 1 = 3 if you want, and below the subatomic level seams you can prity much throw it out the window.

What we exsperiance is nothing close to the way reality realy is it is why these consepts are consepts and why the are relitive to the individual.

On the subject at hand no I do not support nor think such acts are right.

However no one is saying that. There is a huge difference between this and pediophilia.

A particularly good exsample goes to exsperents based around the hollocost, where a sudy was done on the willingness of the public to torture and kill just because some one told them to. People were told they where part of an exsperiment where they were to painfully electrocute people while asking them question each wrong answer they got shocked worce and they where told not to go over a numbered setting or it would kill them. These people were actors and nearly acted this all out and intentionally got questions wrong and started pleading for help even saying things like they don't even know how they got there. The person that told them not to go over the kill setting would be replaced and the new person would instruct them when the time came to raze it to do so despite the warning... They didn't consol them it would be fine, they ordered them, told them they signed up for this, if you want your money you will do it, stuff like that while the actor is barely alive seamingly and begging for there life.

When in the same room, next to no one goes through with this as you might exspect.
However when watching the actor through a monitor with no idea where they are, a staggering majority ( over 3/4rds) did "kill" on command for compleate strangers..
When a simulated activity, well next to no one didn't finish of the virtual victim.

This and other studies like it show that for a vast majority the human mind will not recognize an image or voice as a "real human" unless there is a physical body preasent there with them, or it is some one they closely know.

These are not real people and even if they where real people the mind would not relate them with real people anyway. This is why even exstreamly realistic and horridly graphic violent game involving grusim and senseless murder have been proven to actual discourage acting out such activities in real life.

The mind dose not see this in analog as to be doing this to human beings or real living things and don't relate it to, thus it don't reinforce the act of doing it to a living thing... Just reinforces playing more video games. The subconscious and primal violent tendencies we regress through are lives are satisfied and become associated to nonliving analogs thus in the future a violant act would instead be mentally acosiated with going home and running over hokers on the street in GTA rather than say punching the offender in the face.

This is not saying that I support child porn if you may take that, I share the same views on that most everyone one dose. However fantasizing, art, stories on such should be incuuraged because it leads to them assoseating there desires with imaginary or veriual analogs.

Being that as far as I know there is no "cure" for the people like that, just some succsefully treated, seams anything that takes them away from doing what they do till they can be treated is a good thing even if it is unsettling to everyone else.

Oh and I didn't say I was saying they where signs of inteligence, I sead it meant they don't fell they are intelligent themselve and went on to say just from my exsperiance a this seams to be a thing smart people don't do. There is no way to know what is going on in some ones mind so it is compleat impossible to gadge ones inteligence particularly it being a relitive consept that has no means of measure. Communication is an attempt to bridge ideas and not a measuring tool for ones understanding of them

I mean in this tread of comments, I'm not pretending the others went happening I'm just looking back to what has been responded to, your going to chastise some one for things other people say? And now they have even said they where talking about it would just be funny and it had nothing to do with anything sexual.

There are not absolutes, you might only fall 18 feet and land on a car, your likely to end up in a hospital with an IV if you don't eat, ect there are near absolutes and what seam as absolute to some one. It is a bad habit to talk in a absolutes and should have stuff like "nearly" or "as far as I know" and stuff. But like I said beyond it just being a bad habit I'm trying to brake, it only really comes into play with high math and science.

Real serous math don't have all that much use with numbers though as they are conceptual concepts math and language are relative consent a that we use to explain what we pensive in the world.

I know this more than anyone because I have a brain/leading disorder that makes pros seeing this concept difficult. While I am fully capable of understanding some profound truths I have trouble exsainning them with my language barrier, and while I exsel at mathematical formula and procedures I have a hard time memorizing the formula and am slow to do the actual numerical calculations. Thankfully professors are not permitted to grade me on my spelling (and outside writhing/English there not allowed to grade on grammar ether) and you get to use calculators. I have worked hard and continue to day in and day out to improve this and it is not an easy thing, originally I was scalled to show 73% of the population my age could spell better than me (including those that English was not there first language) and 60 some % had better grammar. My writing was near unreadable, even running it through a spell checker. I have made vast improvement over the many years, and at times would have got a passable grade even if they counted spelling.

I would not sight it as some suto-intalectualisizem if it wasn't for the fact you use it to try and assault my intelligence, this is the lowest form of argument such people take. It is a prime example of projection that blatantly ignores there own spelling and grammar errors and the simple fact that English is the native language if only 5% of the population and it's methods for spelling and grammar go agent the trends of the majority of other languages making it one of the, if not the, hardest language to know. This makes it a horrible method to try and judge infect with.

That aside any intelligent can tell you that there is no means I judge intellect.

Yes I know that and the absolute statement that there are no absolutes are contradictory, life is contradictory as so much of it is relative constructs our minds interpret.

Though I should probably stay away from such topics because we don't all need a bunch of headaches. >.<

But the point is one way you can generally tell some one isn't smart or alto east feels they are not smart is that they care about it, and more so care about the lack of intelligence in others. They are frustrated about the lack of intelligence on a grand scale but not on an individual level unless it is something they have to deal with for an extended time with people having no intent I trying. Granted this is just from what I know and the are exceptions but most people just don't care.

More than that is the general wording used, one thing my mind is excel snot at is patterns particularly spatial ones or ones that translate into ones, language patterns that have cause and affects and relations that form such patterns are easy to spot once you are aware of them.

Your patterns are the same kinda I like arguing and making people fell bad patterns so preveliant on the internet, the whole I will show I'm better than you to myself by belittling you and arguing every point you make into a no point or make it wrong or seam wrong.

Being subject to this behavior for over 15 years in real life and over coming them, online it's just helarois to me to witness. So while I am trying to make a point I find it quite amusing even if there is no point in trying. Besides I'm not the only person that laughs about people acting like this, and I do like making others happy.

If anyone's still reading...

The much more salient point that seems to be missed in all this, with regards to "etiquette", which is unlikely to ever be in any TOS, is how creepy it is to inject your (esp. illegal) fetish into an otherwise innocent comic. It sort of reminds me of when an artist draws a pinup of her personal character and someone gets all "Ooh I'd like to yiff that unf unf" and other such creepy roleplaying. Ah, furry, the wonderful world of No Boundaries.

It's not illegal to have a fetish, and while it is a fetish for some people, the people who actually act on such things it usually is not a fetish from my understanding but something wrong with them. But it's not illegal to have or voice such thoughts. Though some times people might wish it was. >.< They had a KKK parade planed here till the outrage and death threats got so bad the city managed to convince them while they couldn't stop them from doing it.... they heavily suggested that they don't. I thought it was a ToS thing with harshing on some ones kinks but it's not, i just kinda assumed it was with out looking honestly as it has been on just about every furry place I have been to. But I agree it is a little off putting to go doing such things, but there isn't much you can do about it unless they get a little overboard on it.

Anyway It's most differently not one I have, I don't know if it's just an American thing, but the whole "well if this person supports/defends this then this is what they do" thought pattern is quite a problem. People seam to think it's imposable to look at things with out bias and/or play devils advocate. Sad really, and leads to some really stupid arguments from some people.

>.< ESPECIALLY with politics.... dear god, the polarization caused by the two party system is so fucking retarded.

I can see the logic here, certainly. Actually, this seems like a good time to bring up what a good thing the Iranians, ISIS, and their ilk have going. Stoning women, decapitating homosexuals...

Well, obviously, I don't actually agree with the above, but my point is, while there's nothing inherently wrong with playing devil's advocate, there IS something wrong with not expecting people to disagree with or argue against you for doing so. The whole POINT of playing devil's advocate, is to have people argue against you. Stop acting surprised or offended then when people do exactly that.

I never pretended to be surprised and offended for some one wanting to argue, just the content of it.

And i'm not playing devils advocate, I said people seam to think that's an imposable thing. I have a bias opinion that it's sick and disturbing. But looking at it from an unbias prospective I see it is better for them to associate there desires, what ever the cause of them may be, to something in a 'healthy' non destructive environment.

If some pedophile can take that and instead associate it with art and RP (irl or online) with consenting adults, then it's a good thing. Whatever is wrong with them is no longer tied to behavior that harms others.

So long as it don't involve real minors then I don't care, I just don't won't to hear about it. >.<

Just like I don't want to see thumbnails of scat or the like, put up a warning thumbnail that stuff goes on the main page >.<

Fun thing, are views of reality being shattered and all, can now be done where you can see it with your own eyes thanks to science.

They have successfully made something on a microscopic level visabily exist in not just two places at once but all the places in-between as well.

It's all, here's your understanding of spatial perception, and now we squish it. *splat* heh

Actually they have done it in a tiny microscopic strip of metal, if the article I just looked up was right it was 60 micrometers.

That's a LOT LOT LOT more than one little helium atom.

Though atomic quantum states have lead to them developing a quantum computer running on 6 atoms in flux..... how the hell six atoms translate into a computer more powerful than anything else seams a little off but... eh... O.o I don't know enough about computers to know how or if that would work, but if one atom translate to 0, 1, or any number in between, as many at once as it can possibly detect.... it comes down to how many different states it can detect at once then I suppose... detecting enough out of 6 though seams a little far fetched so I think the claims on how powerful this computer is are not true, but again I don't know much about how a computer like that would run.


Still, it's neat.

"I saw an article about science once, and though I didn't fully understand it, I thought it'd make a salient point if applied at best tangentially and more likely as a puzzling non-sequitor in a rapidly degrading argument."

*golf claps*

Yes lovely, that is another habit that is a reoccurring theme in sudo-intellectuals I almost forgot about. The tendency to use rarely used, or phased out, words instead of more common place ones. But your not even trying to be civil anymore. lol

Anyhow, it has plenty to do with all the talk about reality, perception, absolutes, and was just a neat fact I thought was worth take noting of, and people would appreciate knowing if they did not. That is a rather big deal in the science community.

Or I just read a lot of books and am accustomed to using words like that in every day conversation? None of these are 'phased out'.

Like i said nothing is absolute, just a trend you see a lot.

At least I used the word tendency that time, still was worded improperly... such a bad habit. >.<

First of all it was a joke secondly i dont find kids at any age attractive at all.
However those are not kids either humans they are a fantasy creature that excists
only at that dimension of drawing and i believe i have the freedom to see them as
i see fit.

Because I can't "like" comments on FurAffinity, I'll just give you a thumbs-up here.

U are an awesome artist.Keep up the good job:D

Thanks.

Agreed. It's entirely fictional and there isn't anyone physically being hurt by it, but the impulse is one that is unwelcomed, and ought to be unwelcomed.

If there's grass on the field, play ball

>.<

lol serious face is serious XD

serious steven!

Babysitting... at the Kindergarten! Muhahaha!

Locking them up with a male Catotaur!

Why? What would this accomplish? o.O

Cheap thrills for people who get off on humiliating the weak, I guess. *shrug*

I wonder indeed what shall happen, I won't mind if they stay taur girls forever :3 They look really cute as it

Interesting.

I need more of this comic, it's absolutely fantastic :D

Also the top right panel reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPG4NVk_JEY Way too much :P I think it's the one of the left's hair hehe.

Sounds bout right.

I do believe this is part of that "growing up fast" set of harsh lessons you start to have around their age in life. XD Such great work with the expressions! Those "gulp-eyes" are so cute.

XD. What organs... that made me think XD

IF they're anything like 'kats on the inside, then hearts and lungs are doubled up on, possibly stomach as well.

Not necessarily. Not all taurs have a double set of lungs, hearts and stomachs. (Note, even chakats have only a single digestive system after the second stomach, everything else is a single set as well)

The suspense indeed! Here's hoping that they'll keep their six limbs and fluff and whatnot, at least for a while - they look adorable ^.^

heavy breathing

Next pic, both in dresses. Or at least that's a result that would be fun.

I can't wait!
I hope this is a perminant change they glow to love, but I can't wait to see their punishment, er.. I mean fix

I didn't think she could do that. That's both cool and scary at the same time.

She's some kind of Voodoo Priestess/Shopkeeper; what CAN'T she do?

Thse little faces on the bottom panel, cute as balls. Also, how often is this comic updated?

Daily.

*cough* er, normally daily... there may be a day or two's delay before you get to find out their fate, I'm afraid, due to my slow artings! >.< So sorry lol!

SHE'S BACK!

That's right, when all else fails the 'cute kitty eyes' technique is your last resort.

I don't think that will work on her

I wanna know where her store is, I wanna go and buy one of those voodoo dolls for myself!

I sense dresses and makeovers...

Please post the rest!!!

dang i was hoping they might still have their boy parts in there somewhere. chakat or no.

Floor scrubbin for one decade

ANd now I am confused , I thought "Chakats" was just the name people gave to feline taurs , And now I learn that's not it? D:

No, that's not it. Mind you, they are from a time when people put actual work into writing the background of their invented species. Essentially Bernhard Doove (Chakat Goldfur) took the Star Trek background and changed enough not to get copyright problems. Then he changed the Gene Wars from the original. Essentially genetic engineering went out of control whcih led to the war. Humanity now shares earth (mostly peacehfully) with some taur and many morph species that survived the Gene Wars. He also put in the Caitians and Rakshani (essentially more rational Kzinti) into his universe.

In the aftermath, the Chakats were created. Feline hermaphroditic taurs with some empatic sense. He went and actually worked out the psychology for his hermaphrodits. They were the first geneticly engineered species that was born free. Due them being hermaphrodits, they multiplied quickly and settled on a world they named Chakona, which essentially has become their Homeworlds.

For more about Chakats, look here http://www.chakatsden.com/chakat/Intro.html
The story site for the Chakat stories is here: http://www.chakatsden.com/chakat/FT-index.html

your description is better than mine but it wasn't there when i started typing.

I appreciate the effort none the less! =P

Still, I liked your second paragraph, especially the end: ...without caring.
Because that is what we are missing these days. People caring.

Ok then , thanks for the info! (and links)

My pleasure.

Weird stuff? Maybe.
Better off? I don't know. People made an effort back then. Not like today were we simply have 'trend species' (as I call it). Right now it's sharks and Arcanine that are 'in'.

Just Arcanine's mind you, not Pokemon as a whole, which I would have an easier time to understand. It's like saying you really like Darth Vader and have no interest in anything else Star Wars related.

And sharks... why sharks if nearly all pictures aren't even underwater? Picture 'TheLittle Mermaid' and 'Finding Nemo' happening with the same characters, but everything on dry land. Would not fit the story, feeling or theme.

I rather have some weird stuff than empty art were the artist (or commissioner) made no effort. I get enough of that from movies and TV. We once were better than that. But I understand. Instant gratification is easier. *sigh*

Mind you, that's just my opinion.

a chakat is a specific species of feline taur (admittedly though they can be any feline species though so i can understand how it might confuse you) created by a fur known as chakat goldfur. all chakats are always herms is one key point. there is a full book and short story library of the 'chakat universe' as written by goldfur and other chakat supporters. i even happen to have some of them which i got at conventions in a nice paperback form.

so technically any person who makes a herm feline taur character could claim it to be a chakat if they wanted to since the difinition is fairly broad...but it's not like people have to ofcourse. anyone can make a feline taur regardless of gender choice and be completely unaware chakats even exist in the fandom...or without caring.

She was going to meet someone earlier with a boy. Maybe she could find a male fe!ine taur to help those two learn all about thier sexy new bodies.

the 'boy' drank some chakat milk meant for a chakat kitten -- and turned into a chakat!

THEY'RE CHILDREN.

I was under the impression they were teens because they were WORKING, and forcing CHILDREN to WORK is ILLEGAL in most countries.

Look up "tobacco child labor". Also family businesses can also get away with quite a bit.

Nice to see people are determined to use this comic to crucify someone over something. Thanks a lot for picking me. God forbid I should be innocent of it because your going to fucking hang me regardless. I hope you one day have a bunch of mentally deficient assholes decide your guilty of something no matter what proof is given.

Because I don't know about you but THAT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A TOBACCO FARM TO ME. and up until they were changed I am pretty sure THEY WERE NOT RELATED TO THE STORE OWNER. But you know, don't let facts get in the way of a personal agenda.

I merely gave a very short list of real world examples. Thanks for chewing my face off.

I think people were more reacting to your encouragement of raping children.

Awwww they look so cute.....but there totally dead

Better get ta cleaning boy...err...Girls!

Keeping them female might be a bit harsh? Maybe after they have cleaned up everything and learned their lesson, they might change back or at least become male again?

I forsee them working off the damage first, then the cost of the transformation back to their true selves. WHile they work that off, they will of course stay as they are. Let's see if they want to go back after being like this for a few years.

shes going to train them as apprentices to change themselves back but that will take a while, maybe put them in girl clothes and have them advertise for her shop as panther girls in public embarrassing them

eeek. Worst case scenario

Oh shit D: What's she'll do ? Can be worse than this ?

Oh that innocence of a kitten look at that last panel. XD

no, that was the panel before, the last was 'we are so in for it now!'

I thought it was the two just trying to play innocent. XP

When you work for a voodoo priestess, the phrase "you're fired" can take on entirely new meanings.

"Oh, you boys. What am I gonna do with you?"

could be girls or just boys with feminine features... but HAAAH

or is this her relaying through the cat in the hat?

Heh. Cat in the hat reference.

Well, considering the lack of pants, methinks they shouldn't worry about being turned back any time soon...

I love these characters lol they're too cute.

Who needs a cellphone when you have dark magics?

I have mixed feelings towards chakats. Mainly because most people who draw them make them hermaphrodites (with both pussies and cocks under their tails) and with additional cock between their front lower paws. It's quite rare that I see mono-sex mono-cock/pussy chakat.

http://www.furry.org.au/chakat/Stories.html

Has chakats.

They are hermaphrodites with both pussies and cocks under their tails, but no additional cock between their front lower paws. Mono-sex mono-cock/pussy are cat-taurs, not chakats.

Ah, good to know.

Another 'give-away' is chakats have 'hand-paws' for their middle limbs (a couple stories have chakats using those mid-limbs to knit ...)

As Redbear said, thats because Chakats ARE herms, and no, they aren't double sexed. Just a single set of both under the tail. Also, not all felitaurs are chakats and not all chakats are felitaurs.

http://www.chakatsden.com/chakat/Intro.html Here's all about them. Redbear only linked you to all the stories.

Hmmm then... I'm into felitaurs.... but not into chakats. I thought they were the same, and some artists just drew them that way and some the other.

Yeah. People like me, who's fursona is an actual Chakat, are rather particular about people who label something a chakat when it isn't actually a chakat.

*Gives you a hug*
It is why I try to only use taur tag in the pictures that I comission. But so often, unless I say otherwise, the first question I get about Snowblind is if she is a chakat. Chakats are just the most popular feline looking taurs out there.

This is why foxtaurs are so much better. No one gets them confused. So simple. :P

/teasing

I like foxtaurs too. Michael Higgs use to draw lots of em but um... Don't see em as much any more. Sadly.

True. Then again, once certain things fall out of trend, that's where the true fans as opposed to the "flavor of the week" types are revealed. Always happy to meet another fan of foxtaurs though!

Of course, because they should all be chakat... hehe *snickers* :3

Better forepaws, and herms that have naturally built in anti rape defense, awesome!

Only case of the later I know of in real life is ducks.... and ducks are just horrid x.x *shivers* scary scary freaky stuff >.< ...... but there's don't really stop them from getting raped, just make it unlikely they will get impregnated by it.

As being not a chakat and just a felitaur. We get mixed up quite often.

If you are a mono-sex felitaur, I like you then :)

Come on, Ms M. with eyes like this?

I love the expression.oo

dah! i must know what happens next! -jumps up and down- tell me!

I think they'll have to work off the damage before she reverses the spell.

I feel someone's gonna be in trouble!

13 months and one day of servitude and shop work as panthertaur girls, and must wear cute frilly long dresses at work everyday.
Then you get changed back.

my vote for punishment

after that, then you get to deal with your folks punishment

mwhahahahaaa!

That's it. NO DINNER FOR 1,000 YEARS

They gon' dead!

& they both screamed like little girls
Plus thats one way to stop 2 from arguing

And they hugged each other like scared little girls too!

I kind of figured the cloud with eyes was her. You wouldn't have a store like this without some sort of alarm for things going wrong.

I imagine the "fix" for them is exactly that-setting them back to original form.

I hope her fix isn't too punishing or humiliating. But I can see them having to work for many a year to pay off the damage they’ve done to her merchandize!

Something says to me they will have to be adopted felitaurs for a while.

oh this is going to be good

It just hit the fan . I would not want to be either of them.

The moment in this story I've been waiting for. Her reaction when they get caught

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She records them and posts them to YouTube. They make their own cute cat videos. Plenty of hits there.

I'd hold up the dolls and go "on the plus side we found your earring mam!" XD

Yer both fired. Now git outta mah store.

The artwork in this comic is fantastic! And you do such wonderful paws and outstanding transformations.

I heard that in the highest pitch possible. Poor girls...

Oh my cant wait to see the next one lol