These both are examples of a class of weapon called PDW, Personal Defense Weapon. They exist to provide their operator with a weapon that is always on the user, and hopefully provides a level of performance greater than just a standard handgun. Their design is usually in the beginning intended for non-combat forces or troops who operate in tight quarters such as truck drivers, radio operators, armored vehicle crews, air crews, or anyone who needs a small handy weapon. They are usually not intended to be replacements for assault rifles, battle rifles, or submachine guns. In theory.
The FN P90 stems from research done by NATO in the 1980's that showed that the standard 9mm FMJ bullet fired by pistols being issued to non-com troops would be ineffective against the new generation of body armor starting to come into service in the West and assumed in the Warsaw Pact. This was particularly disturbing since many assumed that the Soviets would attempt to deploy Spetsnaz forces behind the front lines during wartime to disrupt transportation and communication lines. Also without sufficient and constant training it is often hard to effectively use a handguns beyond point blank ranges. Something better was needed. FN's answer was the P90.
Small, light, low recoil, and easy to use the P90 is one of the best designs of its type to go into production. It uses a simple blowback action that ejects the spent cartridge downward for left or right hand use; also it employs an ingenious 50 round translucent magazine that lays flat on top of the weapon. Its polymer thumbhole stock and combination trigger guard/ front handgrip gives it a very Sci-fi look to it. Its sights are simple and intuitive to use. The one bone of contention about its design is its choice of cartridge.
To achieve its low recoil impulse, flat trajectory, generous ammo capacity, and armor penetration performance FN developed a new round for the P90 the 5.7x28mm. When using the SS190 bullet this little round easily met the NATO requirements for armor penetration. What many people were concerned about is whether the round will just zip through the target, or whether it will produce sufficient damage to quickly put a target down. There are vocal forces on both side of the argument who will point to various studies or real world shootings to defend their stand on the 5.7x28mm.
Personally I am ambivalent to the round. I know that it has been used in several real world shootings and so far it appears to have performed very well; however to my knowledge all the shootings I can find involving the 5.7x28mm also have involved SWAT or Special Forces who exercised excellent shot placement and fire discipline. Since do not believe body armor was worn by any of the targets would they have been able to do the same job with just a plain old US M1 Carbine? Will the same results happen to the cook that suddenly finds his base under attack?
The Vz-61 Skorpion was officially adopted by the Czech Army around 1961. It was developed to provide non-infantry troops with a light PDW. Technically it is a type of machine pistol that can be carried in holster just like a standard pistol. It has a light wire stock that permits a steadier platform for firing. With a rate of fire around 850rpm even the optional 20 round magazine can run dry quick, but at least its rate of fire offsets its one main weakness. Its choice of caliber.
While used for decades by European Police the 7.65x17mm, 32ACP, is not a real tiger of a cartridge. Especially in its Geneva complying full metal jacket, FMJ, form. Also I'm not certain how well hollowpoints would feed in it. The one advantage the Vz-61 does have is that the 32ACP is very easy to reduce to subsonic velocities and therefore can used with suppressors fairly easily. This made the weapon popular with some security and special forces during the Cold War. Also the weapons were distributed to various insurgents and terrorist organizations during the 60's, 70's and 80's. The weapon appears to have been rather popular in Africa which might explain how Little Rommel was able get one off the body of one of her tormentors http://www.furaffinity.net/view/894869/ .
The FN P90 stems from research done by NATO in the 1980's that showed that the standard 9mm FMJ bullet fired by pistols being issued to non-com troops would be ineffective against the new generation of body armor starting to come into service in the West and assumed in the Warsaw Pact. This was particularly disturbing since many assumed that the Soviets would attempt to deploy Spetsnaz forces behind the front lines during wartime to disrupt transportation and communication lines. Also without sufficient and constant training it is often hard to effectively use a handguns beyond point blank ranges. Something better was needed. FN's answer was the P90.
Small, light, low recoil, and easy to use the P90 is one of the best designs of its type to go into production. It uses a simple blowback action that ejects the spent cartridge downward for left or right hand use; also it employs an ingenious 50 round translucent magazine that lays flat on top of the weapon. Its polymer thumbhole stock and combination trigger guard/ front handgrip gives it a very Sci-fi look to it. Its sights are simple and intuitive to use. The one bone of contention about its design is its choice of cartridge.
To achieve its low recoil impulse, flat trajectory, generous ammo capacity, and armor penetration performance FN developed a new round for the P90 the 5.7x28mm. When using the SS190 bullet this little round easily met the NATO requirements for armor penetration. What many people were concerned about is whether the round will just zip through the target, or whether it will produce sufficient damage to quickly put a target down. There are vocal forces on both side of the argument who will point to various studies or real world shootings to defend their stand on the 5.7x28mm.
Personally I am ambivalent to the round. I know that it has been used in several real world shootings and so far it appears to have performed very well; however to my knowledge all the shootings I can find involving the 5.7x28mm also have involved SWAT or Special Forces who exercised excellent shot placement and fire discipline. Since do not believe body armor was worn by any of the targets would they have been able to do the same job with just a plain old US M1 Carbine? Will the same results happen to the cook that suddenly finds his base under attack?
The Vz-61 Skorpion was officially adopted by the Czech Army around 1961. It was developed to provide non-infantry troops with a light PDW. Technically it is a type of machine pistol that can be carried in holster just like a standard pistol. It has a light wire stock that permits a steadier platform for firing. With a rate of fire around 850rpm even the optional 20 round magazine can run dry quick, but at least its rate of fire offsets its one main weakness. Its choice of caliber.
While used for decades by European Police the 7.65x17mm, 32ACP, is not a real tiger of a cartridge. Especially in its Geneva complying full metal jacket, FMJ, form. Also I'm not certain how well hollowpoints would feed in it. The one advantage the Vz-61 does have is that the 32ACP is very easy to reduce to subsonic velocities and therefore can used with suppressors fairly easily. This made the weapon popular with some security and special forces during the Cold War. Also the weapons were distributed to various insurgents and terrorist organizations during the 60's, 70's and 80's. The weapon appears to have been rather popular in Africa which might explain how Little Rommel was able get one off the body of one of her tormentors http://www.furaffinity.net/view/894869/ .
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Semi-auto short barrel rifle (stupid term, if you ask me - then again, I don't come up with these things). Cost is only $200 for the federal tax stamp, plus the cost of the weapon, of course! Much, much more affordable than a transferable selective fire weapon. Haven't seen very many transferable Skorpions on the market, either. An SBR will be just fine for me.
Yeah it is one of the things that is very different in the Angel and Knight universe is that the National Firearm Act 1934 looks very different than it does in our world. Instead of hard fast rules like shotguns must have barrels of at least 18" and rifle 16". Instead they drew the rules based on caliber, which was just as weird in different ways, since their was a measurable part of population that had to have smaller firearms or face disarmament. Full-auto and suppressors still got hosed.
Shotguns of 24ga or smaller could barrels as short as 11". Rifles .22 cal or smaller could have barrels shorter as 10". Of course this resulted in all sorts of people trying to loophole their way around the rules, and producing equivalents of the Bushmaster arm in 28ga or SBR's in rounds like .223. This of course causes all kinds of howling from the Anti-gun camps.
Shotguns of 24ga or smaller could barrels as short as 11". Rifles .22 cal or smaller could have barrels shorter as 10". Of course this resulted in all sorts of people trying to loophole their way around the rules, and producing equivalents of the Bushmaster arm in 28ga or SBR's in rounds like .223. This of course causes all kinds of howling from the Anti-gun camps.
I rather like the A&K-1 PDW design 01 you came up with. Easily manufactured, cheap in quantity, simple to use, just the sort of weapon to equip your resistance movement.
I've fired the P90, civilian version. It's much like shooting a .22 rifle. I've yet to fire a full-auto Skorpion, but the semi model I recently tried was easy to handle and shoot. The Skorpion really found it's niche as a suppressed assassin's weapon, to be sprayed into a target at close range from the back of a motorcycle before driving off.
One of those gun designs you rrely see anymore is the stockless PDW, designed to be braced on the forearm instead of held to the shoulder. The Bushmaster Arm Gun (http://www.securityarms.com/2001031...../1400/1409.htm) is a commercial version of the original designs. I haven't gotten to do a lot of shooting with one of these, but they are neither fish nor fowl, not as handy as a pistol whle not being quite as easy to fire as a long arm.
One of those gun designs you rrely see anymore is the stockless PDW, designed to be braced on the forearm instead of held to the shoulder. The Bushmaster Arm Gun (http://www.securityarms.com/2001031...../1400/1409.htm) is a commercial version of the original designs. I haven't gotten to do a lot of shooting with one of these, but they are neither fish nor fowl, not as handy as a pistol whle not being quite as easy to fire as a long arm.
I've used a Skorpion-type stock in building an Albedo-style blaster:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/800768/
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http://www.furaffinity.net/view/800768/
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Depends what the house is made of, one of the pathetic stick-houses we build in the US sure. But other parts of the world, and especially certain parts of the third world you'll find houses built very strongly. In the middle east most houses are built of concrete blocks at least a foot thick, often with fill material of some kind. Small caliber bullets like modern First World nations have adopted don't penetrate very well under those circumstances.
Agreement, General Issue ammunition tends to be shitty and because of the Geneva you can't legally use more effective types. Course in both civilian and military life there are ways around some of these issues depending on the attitude of your CO and your inventiveness. One of my COs arranged it that we knew we should buy some non-Reg ammunition on our own and the NCOs would see it got back to us on the other end of a deployment. Because the paper-brigade only know what they issued you, not what actually went into the magazine that day if you take some moderate precautions. And yes special forces always gets the good stuff, though I have to say the 5.56DU I heard a friend's brother who was a SEAL talk about seemed a little excessive. Then on the civilian end there are end-runs you can perform via imported ammunition or handloads. You can tamper pretty extensively with bullets via fairly common tools found in many home workshops though 5.56 is really to small for many of the most interesting ones.
Personally I'm on the side of the debate that thinks we should go back up in caliber somewhat. And I agree about pistols. They require constant practice and even then most people will have only limited skill with them. I can get along with a pistol, but I've always done much better with long arms.
Personally I'm on the side of the debate that thinks we should go back up in caliber somewhat. And I agree about pistols. They require constant practice and even then most people will have only limited skill with them. I can get along with a pistol, but I've always done much better with long arms.
I love the P-90, great design. In their sales pitch the round was shown going through a 1.6mm titanium plate wrapped in 20 layers of kevlar. It was also designed for less chance of ricochet or over-penetration. If anyone is interested here's the vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyJEEISVTd4 (2:13 has the info on the CRISAT plate test.)
Its a beutifly engineered weapon very accurate and controllable especialy for an SMG . It just takes some getting used to its loaded and opperated diffrently then almost every other firearm out there
On a plus note its ambidextrous witch is nice for a southpaw like me
but unlike the skorpion it requires a lot of training to use effectivly
On a plus note its ambidextrous witch is nice for a southpaw like me
but unlike the skorpion it requires a lot of training to use effectivly
Yes but ballistic tipped cartidges are not normaly made .32 and the biggest benefit of the SKorpion is its cheap and simple. Its designed to be pointed at the target and emptied by an untrained user not someone useing it single shot
so more expensive rounds would be reserved for someone whos going to be useing a bigger gun and more offten
so more expensive rounds would be reserved for someone whos going to be useing a bigger gun and more offten
I like the reloading mechanism for the P-90, I was looking at a mag for one of those the other day...DAMN, the bullet goes in and spins 90 degrees to lie sideways when you reload. Pretty neat...even though it is efficient, I tend to like something though that has less moving parts, the Magazine seems like something would break...
Sorry, i just looked at the pic. But your drawings of guns are really nice. You have technical drawing experience?
Check out the MAC i drew awhile ago.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1147729/
Check out the MAC i drew awhile ago.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1147729/
To answer your question yes I do have some technical drawing experience. I've done concept design for business and individuals. I've always had a strong love for technology and on several occasions have had to create my own plans for flying models.
Took a look at the MAC-11 you linked to, keep up drawing. Question, was the AR-50 you posted actually your rifle?
I did some study sketches of a MAC-10 awhile ago for a color piece. http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1556070/ and this was the final piece http://www.furaffinity.net/view/901378/
Took a look at the MAC-11 you linked to, keep up drawing. Question, was the AR-50 you posted actually your rifle?
I did some study sketches of a MAC-10 awhile ago for a color piece. http://www.furaffinity.net/view/1556070/ and this was the final piece http://www.furaffinity.net/view/901378/
I have a plastic replica of an HK MP7A PDW that looked like a strange hi-tech turnbable tone-arm when I first saw it! I got used to it and now it looks cool.
It may amuse you that the Scropion was the pistol of choice in the drive-by shooting of the pimp in my comic, Beatrix, that accidently gunned her down, and let to her being re-incarnated by annoying aliens in a suit that made her invulnerable. I don't remember what led to the choice.
It may amuse you that the Scropion was the pistol of choice in the drive-by shooting of the pimp in my comic, Beatrix, that accidently gunned her down, and let to her being re-incarnated by annoying aliens in a suit that made her invulnerable. I don't remember what led to the choice.
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