digital paintings wah?

Yay, no more WoW screenshots. Though I'll admit that overall, it's bullshit. D:<

I can't hear you over the sound of that WAAAAAAAAAAAAHmbulance.

The AUP barely changed at all. Things were just worded more clearly so people realized the stupid krystal poser spam and shakey-camera plushie pile pictures can GTFO.

Sometimes the waaaahmbulance drowns out legitimate complaints. Banning non-unique Poser models misses the point completely. The same talentless hacks are going to continue drowning the site in submissions with minimally- and terribly-modified models, skins, and settings. This isn't the end of Krystal Poser spam - it's the beginning of mutilated and repainted Krystal Poser spam.

Meanwhile, Wookiee's not going to go back and recreate his honestly original submissions with hacked-up models, he's just going to go elsewhere. If FA's looking to cut back on bandwidth, this is the wrong way to do it.

Oh, well then, I guess if people are gonna spam crap anyways why fight it :B

The problem isn't that they're fighting, it's that they're fighting fire with paintball guns. They and you are missing the point in a huge way and neither fixing the problem nor helping quality artists express themselves.

samrui_piza_cat_94 can post a zero-effort fractal landscape once a week, but Bad Dragon and Foil cannot post sculptures of anthro peniseses... >_<

So long as they're original work and not in use, they can.

Big negatory there buddy...

Submission removal: Tentacle Twister
Sent By: Ahkahna On: January 21st, 2009 08:13

As per the AUP:
Prohibited - ..."images containing items of sexual nature (adult toys, sexually modified fursuits/plush animals, etc.)."

The following images have fallen under prohibited content and will be removed.

Apologies for the sad faces this may cause,
-Ahkahna

No, actually it was clarified by Dragoneer, so long as the toys are your creation, they are regarded as sculpture.

No, actually my gallery was cleared out, and Dragoneer has refrained so far to reply to Varika (Bad Dragon) or I why he posted his comment saying it was ok, then this mod deleted nearly all our submissions in contradiction...

Because just like every company or corporation out there with a list of policies, there's going to be misinterpretation of them even by people who've been with the company. I second that though, Dragoneer did state that if it was a photo of the dildo sculpture the artist created and it's stated in the description that is why they're posting it, it is okay.

THIS.

I don't think Wookiee actually had to take his down o_o if they were animated, or had user-created texture maps, or any of that..

... and if they were just pre-made models from Poser, stood about, then they might have been nice, but they weren't really art :/

Also since when is oC not art? It's a perfectly legitimate program. And why is digital art not art?

i dont get it....

When you put it this way, the whole thing does seem rather unfortunate.

Tell it like it is! (Which you are doing.)

I agree with the concerns, but then the issue becomes:

What do we do?

It's easy to identify the problem, and seemingly easy to point out remedies that don't work, but what shall we do for a solution?

D.O.P.R

I think the actual issues with site-clogging crap could be addressed with "no repetitive nonsense" rules, stricter filesize limits, and maybe even a "report crappy submission" button. The latter is a tad meanspirited, but what else are you supposed to do when you find yourself looking at a userpage with thirty-eight photos of some guy's desk?

Loathe as I am to seriously suggest it, a system that gave popular artists more leeway would ease database congestion even if it did no favors for bandwidth. Professional(ish) and well-respected artists (e.g. Saara, Tegerio, Asthexiancal, Meesh, Zaush, Kami) could get or apply for a gold star marking them as community landmarks or some bullshit, and the distinction would let them upload files that are wide, taller, bigger, and generally less worthy of moderator attention. Obviously if one of them posted a shot of their balls (say, Kami) they'd be b7 in a hurry, but they'd be allowed to have a few Megaman sprite comics and SL screenshots in their gallery. Essentially, an attempt at institutionalizing the Rule of Cool.

Here's a kinder, gentler concept: enforce rigid boundaries between "pure" and "generated" arts, e.g. drawing / painting / sculpting vs. photography / poser / screencaps. Apply more rigid resolution, filesize, and FA-is-not-Photobucket constraints on anything that didn't start with a blank canvas or pile of raw material. Automatically convert 3mb PNGs of watercolor paintings to 95% JPEGs, for fnord's sake.

Another alternative would be to diverge from the purity of the site's design and make the Scrap galleries more literal. Instead of being thumbnailed like the Gallery proper, display the shrunken versions of 32 pictures at a time, enlargeable to full size on click, with artist descriptions to one side and no comment system. I'd hate this, being a comment addict, but it'd make about a third of the site's content picture-and-paragraph fetching instead of picture, paragraph, avatars, and threaded discussion fetching.

Since we're discussing art, any attempt at sorting, binning, pigeonholing, or otherwise quantifying qualia is going to get dirty and mean. I figure the best we can do - the least we can attempt to aim for - is to keep as much of the genuinely interesting stuff as we can and accept a modicum of crap.

Show me just one person on this site who uses poser for something other than pasting together pre-made furry models in different combinations.

I fully agree, as amazingly talented as Wookie is, if they're using models made by someone else then it shouldn't be allowed.

you're actually exagerating way too much with digital paintings and 3d renderings :|

It's supposed to be largely exaggeration and snark, but really, standard and commercial models are as much a part of the Poser toolchain as common brushes and filters in Photoshop. If by me / for me is the guiding principle of the AUP, something I've thought up, arranged, posed, constructed a scene for, lit, and rendered is at least as much "by me" as a blurry, ten-minute doodle of a forest.

actually, no...
with the brushes, you can create something from scratch..
with the models.. you just can pose them.. they dont change.. they're still the same models.

The map is not the territory and the subject is not the piece.

wait wai... what?

...
I'm honestly afraid to look in my gallery now...