Rip america.

Only time will tell and I live in the USA

At first if you don't succeed.

yes

Actually economically yes Bush did destroy America as the cost of living has more than doubled in his term, and steadied during Obama's term. While yes it didn't really go down, it didn't sky rocket during the prior's 8 year term. He put us in a war he instigated under false pretenses hence why he was on trial as a war criminal.

Two years later and we've got:
Concentration camps for kids
Scandals galore
Trump promising to use power of the pardon to protect anyone committing crimes on his behalf
Lies, lies, lies, and more lies
Environmental destruction
Food contamination
Havoc in the sciences
Massive degradation of American diplomatic power

So...yeah, he's doing a decent job of it.

The "Concentration camps for kids" already did exist under Obama/Biden

I didn't like 'em under Obama, either, but Trump made them significantly worse.

http://tidbitsinthenews.com/2016/10.....nd-the-scenes/
Would you have really preferred this as our president?
(Read the bottom paragraph)

that certainly seems to be a super credible source of information you got there.

i guess if that was true, she wouldn't have made a great president if the canines ever gained sentience and formed a nation...

Maybe this is better?
http://truthfeed.com/hillary-clinto.....from-me/14725/

Would you rather the link to her poking fun at Gaddaffi being sodomized by a bayonet until he died? Or maybe you want to see the story where she threw a drinking glass at a staffer's head?

Liberals are so ready to believe every horrific thing they hear of Trump, and only seem to become skeptical when Hillary's innocence is called into question.

It should be noted I am a former Democratic supporter I suppose.

maybe she's deathly allergic to dogs.

I'm sure she's deathly allergic to her staff as well. And secret service. And soldiers. You know, most things she curses out.

And Trump. Dont forget her Trump allergy.

lol, this is the sort of shit we've been having to deal with regarding "info" on Hillary. Ya know, shit every politician does, heck shit every elected MALE president has done 100x worse and nobody ever batted an eyelid, but when she does it expect 9 fucking whole inquiries about it and a last minute campaign sabotaging FBI witch hunt.

Weather she did or not is moot, she still isnt a racist, homophobic, misogynistic rapist scumbag like trump is. She isn't endorsed by the KKK, she doesn't represent what is basically the rise of the fourth Reich, so of course she is the better alternative, but people were too fucking dumb and ignorant to see she was the lesser of two evils.

You honestly bought into all of that, didn't you? Do you even ask if it's all real? Or do you just assume that if a Liberal said it, it must be true?

Okay, let's consider this then.

Hillary covered up a lot of rapes for Clinton - which makes her an enabler of rape. She only stopped being homophobic during this election (how convenient eh?) before which she was entirely against gay unions of any form. Despite her claims of Trump's wall building desire being racist, when she was a senator she supported the idea of building a wall on the border. She has her own history of racism that the liberal media likes to ignore (feel free to google it if you like - pretty nasty stuff) and, to top it all off, she is incredibly violent. Let's not forget that in a leaked e-mail she was talking about how much she wants to start a war with Russia which would undoubtedly start WW3.

I'll just go by what Trump said himself to determine the kind of character he is.

But either way, you clearly support him. Everything that he will eventually mess up on I will turn to his nearest supporter and give the biggest "I told you so grin" of my life. I can't wait until his supporters become the silent majority again.

Conservatives never forget, and we never forgive. Just look at what is happening with Gillette. We learned a lesson -- never be silent again. And you are right, we are the majority, thank you for admitting.

No, we will never be silent again.

Conservatives seem to have forgotten everything Obama did for the economy and they forgive every promise broken by Trump. You were never silent, you just being ignored like a child throwing a tantrum in their room. The problem is conservatives are upset that the world is constantly changing and it scares them. They think the old answers are the solutions to these new problems and they are angry when they don't work or told they won't work.

Your silence will always come when asked how to advance mankind forward because you will have no answer to give.

...and now a leftist when cornered decides to act condescending, laced with rhetoric and no actual statements of substance made. Sorry but if we conservatives are so easy to ignore, why is it that we are the number one focus of all news cycles 24/7? You mean to say you WISH we could be ignored, more accurate answer. And no, we cannot be stopped, and shouldn't be stopped, because our "old answers" type policies are far superior to leftist policies when it comes to the economy. It's easy, just look at the news.

And no, we are not scared. We confidently push on. 2020 in this case, with a grim smile on our face.

So, here's your chance, tell me then what Obama actually did for the economy? Then I will tell you respectfully and politely why Obama was useless for the economy, and then use substance to explain why President Trump actually helped our economy. If you can surprise me with actual substantive facts how Obama was anything but useless, by all means please explain.

But personal attacks and useless rhetoric about silencing conservatives will get you nowhere. Please begin.

...and now a leftist when cornered decides to act condescending, laced with rhetoric and no actual statements of substance made.
I like how after just one reply you think you have me cornered. I hope that confidence last longer then another post. I'm condescending because this is the same empty threats and debunked talking points I have need listening to for the past decade. Really, the right wing couldn't be any more of a meme if they said "call us legion for me are many."

Sorry but if we conservatives are so easy to ignore, why is it that we are the number one focus of all news cycles 24/7?
Yeah, you are definitely not getting news coverage because your traditional values are revolutionizing social reform. More like because Trump is president and he keeps saying stupid things like wanting to nuke a hurricane, thinking forests need to be raked and reminding us that an ocean is big and wet with lots of water.

And no, we cannot be stopped, and shouldn't be stopped, because our "old answers" type policies are far superior to leftist policies when it comes to the economy.
If you can't be stopped then why after two years of controlling all three branches of the government all you managed to get pass was a tax cut for the rich? Was that all the economy needed and no more work was required?

And no, we are not scared. We confidently push on. 2020 in this case, with a grim smile on our face.
I hope he does win. I'm curious to see what he will do once he no longer has to try to win a reelection. It will also provide plenty of moral high ground to leap off of and body slam into conservative mob pits.

So, here's your chance, tell me then what Obama actually did for the economy? Then I will tell you respectfully and politely why Obama was useless for the economy, and then use substance to explain why President Trump actually helped our economy. If you can surprise me with actual substantive facts how Obama was anything but useless, by all means please explain.
Sure. let's compare the numbers. Obama increased the GDP by 10%, lowered unemployment by 6% and cut the deficit by half. Please, tell me how Trump did better. =)

But personal attacks and useless rhetoric about silencing conservatives will get you nowhere. Please begin.
Oh, I will never silence you. I just like presenting facts I know you can't rebut and won't response to until you run out of scripted things to say and quit replying. Then I like to imagine you'll run back to 4chan and tell everyone the mean liberal is trying to oppress you and silence your opinions. I do love to dream.

"I like how after just one reply you think you have me cornered. I hope that confidence last longer then another post. I'm condescending because this is the same empty threats and debunked talking points I have need listening to for the past decade. Really, the right wing couldn't be any more of a meme if they said "call us legion for me are many.""

Cool, at least you own your bullying condescending leftist snark. Your excuses aren't legit though.

"Yeah, you are definitely not getting news coverage because your traditional values are revolutionizing social reform."

Actually, we are. We are nuking Political Correctness every day (PC originated as a propagandist tool in soviet russia for societal control). Your denial doesn't hold water.

"More like because Trump is president and he keeps saying stupid things like wanting to nuke a hurricane, thinking forests need to be raked and reminding us that an ocean is big and wet with lots of water."

He said it to begin a conversation about what could be done. You leftists are always about starting conversations, right? Hypocrisy is strong in this one...

"If you can't be stopped then why after two years of controlling all three branches of the government all you managed to get pass was a tax cut for the rich? Was that all the economy needed and no more work was required?"

If you work for someone, you get paid by them. The person/organization you work for is considered 'the rich'. Give them more money and they have more money to pay more employees (more jobs) and give them higher salaries. If you never took a class in economics, I understand.

And we are at a 50 year unemployment low. Your argument is invalid.

And we have--
Defeated isis
Ended the korean war
highest average wages
lowest unemployment in 50 years
stopped intellectual theft by china
solved the international trade imbalance

The list goes on and on.

"I hope he does win. I'm curious to see what he will do once he no longer has to try to win a reelection.."

Well, cool, we agree on something. You can hate me for this, but I predict that another Trump-like president is coming after Trump's second term. History repeats itself, and this stuff is really showing.

" It will also provide plenty of moral high ground to leap off of and body slam into conservative mob pits"

Liberals and antifa make mobs. But if the conservatives mess up, I'll slam them too because no one is exempt. I am a constitutionalist and an independent in case you wondered.

"Sure. let's compare the numbers. Obama increased the GDP by 10%, lowered unemployment by 6% and cut the deficit by half. Please, tell me how Trump did better. =)"

And obama said that someone needed a magic wand to make GDP grow more than 3%...and then Trump made it grow by 4%. Also, reference a few of the items listed above. especially the 50 year low of unemployment and higher wages, lower taxes for lower classes too so more money for the average citizen...yeah, there is no comparison.

"Oh, I will never silence you. I just like presenting facts I know you can't rebut and won't response to until you run out of scripted things to say and quit replying."

Except...I have just rebutted you effectively. And your claim that I have scripted things to say is pretty laughable. I'm probably a russian troll too, right? More liberal snark, and lying. Mainly I will leave the conversation after you have been acceptably defeated enough to show the world that though you may keep coming back with snark and poorly-constructed responses, but that you still are wrong because you can't defeat facts with NYT propaganda.

"Then I like to imagine you'll run back to 4chan and tell everyone the mean liberal is trying to oppress you and silence your opinions. I do love to dream. "

I am not on 4chan. But keep imagining. Perhaps your problem is you imagine too much and think too little.

But that is your right, it is a free country after all.

"Oh, I will never silence you. I just like presenting facts I know you can't rebut and won't response to until you run out of scripted things to say and quit replying."

Oh and that was all scripted by my russian bot leader. For I have no mind and am only a mindless compilation of online data script floating in the ether. So...if I continue to defeat your arguments nonstop as I have been doing...a computer program will have proven to be smarter than you. Think about that.

Cool, at least you own your bullying condescending leftist snark. Your excuses aren't legit though.

Condescending, yes. Bullying, no. I might be liberal but I'm as obsessed with being PC as other people. Respect has to be earned.

Actually, we are. We are nuking Political Correctness every day (PC originated as a propagandist tool in soviet russia for societal control). Your denial doesn't hold water.
Well, that was a short trip. You just complained about how I wasn't being PC enough towards you and in the very next statement you brag about how you are destroying PC. So, what you are saying is that you want people to be respectful of you but you don't want to be respectful towards other people?

I feel that is the key problem with the right, they don't actually know what they want but they do know they want it and they want it now. They just have to wait until someone tells them what it is they want.

He said it to begin a conversation about what could be done. You leftists are always about starting conversations, right? Hypocrisy is strong in this one...
That is a strange way to defend the stupid stuff Trump says. It seems he starts conversations lacking basic knowledge about anything. I mean do we really need to explain to everyone in the room that water is wet before we can move on to talking about how to get supplies across it? Would the follow up be "but, Mr. president, boats float!"?

If you work for someone, you get paid by them. The person/organization you work for is considered 'the rich'. Give them more money and they have more money to pay more employees (more jobs) and give them higher salaries. If you never took a class in economics, I understand.
The rich don't become rich by giving away their money. The problem with giving money to the rich is that they keep it and the economy stagnates. No one is going to pay their fast food employees more because they are paying less in taxes. It is the same reason that caused the last recession. If you did take a class in economics then you would learn trickle down economics never works. What does work is giving that money to middle class, because the middle class will spend all their money and put everything back into the economy.

And we are at a 50 year unemployment low. Your argument is invalid.

The list goes on and on.
I asked for policies passed while Republicans control all three branches of the government. None of what you listed answered that question. We never ended the Korean War, so you can't count that. We are still in a trade war so that means we never stopped the trade imbalances or intellectual theft by China yet. I'll give you ISIS because it did happen under Trump but I'll add that it was nearly defeated by the time he took office so it wasn't much of an accomplishment. How much of the things you listed did you get wrong?

Well, cool, we agree on something. You can hate me for this, but I predict that another Trump-like president is coming after Trump's second term. History repeats itself, and this stuff is really showing.
I would never hate you for that. It is honestly expected. It's a trend really. First it was Bush, then Trump and after Trump probably someone more extreme. The trick to winning over the right is to play off their fears and anger. You do that and they will vote against their interest every time.

And obama said that someone needed a magic wand to make GDP grow more than 3%...and then Trump made it grow by 4%. Also, reference a few of the items listed above. especially the 50 year low of unemployment and higher wages, lower taxes for lower classes too so more money for the average citizen...yeah, there is no comparison.
Oh, Obama just said that wand thing as a way to start a conversation, you understand that, don't you?

Trump started with a GDP of 2% growth and it is currently at 2%. It is pretty much at the point where Obama left it. If you want to compare Trump's highest to Obama's, then Obama still wins because he got it up to 5%. If you truly believe in facts, then you will have to admit Obama was better at the GDP then Trump.

As for the unemployment, Trump dropped it by less then 1%. But you have to remember unemployment was on a downward trend when Trump took over. So how much of it was the result of Trump and how much of it was just the natural result of that downward trend? If you count who lowered unemployment the most. The numbers speak for themselves, Obama did.

Except...I have just rebutted you effectively. And your claim that I have scripted things to say is pretty laughable. I'm probably a russian troll too, right? More liberal snark, and lying. Mainly I will leave the conversation after you have been acceptably defeated enough to show the world that though you may keep coming back with snark and poorly-constructed responses, but that you still are wrong because you can't defeat facts with NYT propaganda.

As predicted you gave the same scripted responses as every Republican I talked too. All equally wrong too. It is like none of you ever looked any of this stuff up for yourself and just accepted whatever Fox News told you.

I always leave my stuff up. Maybe in another two years another person will respond to this one as well.

I am not on 4chan. But keep imagining. Perhaps your problem is you imagine too much and think too little.

But that is your right, it is a free country after all.
you all share the same talking points so it is not like there is a difference between any two groups. Anyway, you have to be able to think before you have an imagination.

"Condescending, yes. Bullying, no. I might be liberal but I'm as obsessed with being PC as other people. Respect has to be earned.
Well, that was a short trip. You just complained about how I wasn't being PC enough towards you and in the very next statement you brag about how you are destroying PC. So, what you are saying is that you want people to be respectful of you but you don't want to be respectful towards other people?"

PC requires respect...yet you are condescending which is disrespectful, and all bullies are condescending, hence what bullies do. Cognitive dissonance is your game. CD

"I feel that is the key problem with the right, they don't actually know what they want but they do know they want it and they want it now. They just have to wait until someone tells them what it is they want."

Before the Soviets invented PC, there was a thing called common decency and dignity. PC is saccarin sweet fake garbage used for virtue signaling. Your claim of hypocrisy falls limp.

"That is a strange way to defend the stupid stuff Trump says. It seems he starts conversations lacking basic knowledge about anything. I mean do we really need to explain to everyone in the room that water is wet before we can move on to talking about how to get supplies across it? Would the follow up be "but, Mr. president, boats float!"?"

More baseless rhetoric with no facts. Facts don't care about your feelings.

"The rich don't become rich by giving away their money."

You're right. They hire more employees, hence more jobs, and pay them more money as bonuses for staying and working.

"The problem with giving money to the rich is that they keep it and the economy stagnates. No one is going to pay their fast food employees more because they are paying less in taxes. It is the same reason that caused the last recession. If you did take a class in economics then you would learn trickle down economics never works. What does work is giving that money to middle class, because the middle class will spend all their money and put everything back into the economy."

And that is what causes a failing company, so for the remaining SUCCESSFUL companies that are still in business, your rule doesn't apply. Go back to school.

"What does work is giving that money to middle class, because the middle class will spend all their money and put everything back into the economy."

Hence President Trump's tax break on the Middle Class... If you were employed, you would have enjoyed the check. Or did you?

"I asked for policies passed while Republicans control all three branches of the government. None of what you listed answered that question."

Wrong. The libs control the house.

"We never ended the Korean War, so you can't count that."

President Trump is the first to actually step in N. Korea and successfully begin peace talks.

"We are still in a trade war so that means we never stopped the trade imbalances or intellectual theft by China yet."

We have stopped trade imbalance by righting the imbalance, and resolving to continue to right the balance. If china adjusts their tariffs to make it uneven, we adjust again. This is so easy, why are you having issues understanding?

"we never stopped the trade imbalances or intellectual theft by China yet."

We stopped intellectual theft also by booting Huawei from our country. Where have you been the past year?

"I'll give you ISIS because it did happen under Trump but I'll add that it was nearly defeated by the time he took office so it wasn't much of an accomplishment. "

Wrong again. We dropped the MOAB on their leaders and got a high score. Then, amazingly, they never were seen again. ISIS, on the other hand, ROSE TO POWER during the Obama admin. You obviously haven't paid attention. This seems to be a recurring theme with you.

"How much of the things you listed did you get wrong?"

Goose egg.

"I would never hate you for that. It is honestly expected. It's a trend really. First it was Bush, then Trump and after Trump probably someone more extreme. The trick to winning over the right is to play off their fears and anger. You do that and they will vote against their interest every time."

Well...I can't argue with you on that one. You pretty much nailed it...except for the last part. You forgot the kind of leaders that founded this great country, they were quite trumpian.

"Oh, Obama just said that wand thing as a way to start a conversation, you understand that, don't you? "

:) I like your way of thinking. You remind me of me. But my point about Trump V.S. Obama on GDP still stands. But I smile because I'm beginning to like you.

"Trump started with a GDP of 2% growth and it is currently at 2%"

And he also broke 4%. Essentially he's breaking all the walls that the dems say he can't, and he's winning so much that it is ripping lib minds apart...

I don't expect the opposition to tell the truth about his strengths, only try and report on his weaknesses. Enemies will only tell you your weaknesses, friends only your strengths.

"If you want to compare Trump's highest to Obama's, then Obama still wins because he got it up to 5%. If you truly believe in facts, then you will have to admit Obama was better at the GDP then Trump."

If that's the case, show me references. If I'm wrong, I can accept it, but so far this would be the first time you successfully do it. Bravo? :)

"As for the unemployment, Trump dropped it by less then 1%. But you have to remember unemployment was on a downward trend when Trump took over. So how much of it was the result of Trump and how much of it was just the natural result of that downward trend?"

SHOW MEE THE MONEEYYYYYYYY (the references) :)

"As predicted you gave the same scripted responses as every Republican I talked too."

Sounds like a group of smart and respectable people. You should converse with them more and you might learn something.

"All equally wrong too."

Inaccurate.

"It is like none of you ever looked any of this stuff up for yourself and just accepted whatever Fox News told you."

Yet my referenced links never came from fox news, in fact they were liberal outlets.

OH THE BURN!

Have a nice day.

PC requires respect...yet you are condescending which is disrespectful, and all bullies are condescending, hence what bullies do. Cognitive dissonance is your game. CD

I told you, I'm not into being PC because I'm not a politician running for office. Not every bully is condescending, not every condescending person is a bully. The world doesn't run on such black and white terms. But say that it did, when Trump is condescending does that make him a bully? If yes, then you have no problems with bullying. If no, then I am right that not all condescending people are bullies. Regardless of which answer you chose, I still win. Pick your poison.

Before the Soviets invented PC, there was a thing called common decency and dignity. PC is saccarin sweet fake garbage used for virtue signaling. Your claim of hypocrisy falls limp.

I'm not sure why you think the Soviets invented PC. PC has been around ever since elected officials realized they needed to appease the populace in order to stay in power. Can you even name a time when a politician had common decency and dignity without ever lying about it to win favor? What do you think a politician would sound like without PC? Unless you think politicians need to go back to isolating and insulting minorities in society. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you don't actually know what you are asking for. If you did, that would be pretty bad.

More baseless rhetoric with no facts. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Oh, so you don't think it's stupid of a president to start a conservation by reminding everyone water is wet? Why do you think it was important for Trump to say that? Who do you think didn't know that and had to be reminded of it? Is water being wet a little known fact? President Trump bringing in the deep thought questions. I think it shows a baseline for his level of intelligence. Calling into question his self-proclaimed status of being a ' very stable genius.'

You're right. They hire more employees, hence more jobs, and pay them more money as bonuses for staying and working.

If they already have enough employees to cover a shift they are not going to hire a few extras because they make more money. If any of them do they haven't been any of the places I worked before. A company isn't going to give their employees a raise either just because they make more. The name of the game is profits and to try to gain as much profits by eliminating cost. And one of those costs including paying workers. You have this strangely naive thinking that companies won't take advantage of a situation despite them doing so on every occasion.

And that is what causes a failing company, so for the remaining SUCCESSFUL companies that are still in business, your rule doesn't apply. Go back to school.

Oh boy, let me tell you of a magical time when Republicans use to say that these businesses are to big to fail and the ensuing recession and massive bailouts. It is almost like what you are saying is the third retelling of the same story. I really hope that "never forget" thing starts to kick in after the fourth time around.

Hence President Trump's tax break on the Middle Class... If you were employed, you would have enjoyed the check. Or did you?

Trump hasn't done a tax break on the middle class yet. He promises to do so after his reelection. I guess signing that tax cut for the rich really took it out of him and he needed time to recover before giving a tax break to the middle class? No idea why he didn't do it together or sometime in the following year, oh well. My taxes actually went up since then, so...

Wrong. The libs control the house.

Oh, I see the confusion, when I said back then Republicans controlled all three branches of government what I meant was back when Republicans controlled all three branches of government, not who controls it currently. You do realize Republicans controlled both the senate and congress for the first two years of Trump's presidency, right? For the third time, I'm asking why is the only legislation Republicans managed to passed while controlling all three branches of government for two years is a tax cut for the rich? For some reason you are being super dodgy when answering this rather simple question. Maybe you don't know why and refuse to answer it because doing so would admit your party is incompetent and self serving? I'm left with wondering the reason why you won't answer it.

President Trump is the first to actually step in N. Korea and successfully begin peace talks.

True, that was a historic event. But it doesnt change the fact we are still at war with them. We have been at war with them since they started their civil war that divided their country into south and north. Soviets backed the north while we supported the south. Trivia since you seem interested in knowing Soviet influence in our politics. Successful peace talks are questionable since the purpose of those talks was to have North Korea stop testing missile and they still are doing so.

We have stopped trade imbalance by righting the imbalance, and resolving to continue to right the balance. If china adjusts their tariffs to make it uneven, we adjust again. This is so easy, why are you having issues understanding?

What was the trade imbalance? Specific numbers, none of that we are losing billions to China. How do we know when we reach a balance and how to to raise or lower tariffs to keep the balance?

My other question is why is Trump willing to end the tariffs for a better trade deal with China? If China will lose more then what they are paying in tariffs, why would they agree to a trade deal. If we lose more then what we make in tariffs, why would we end them? I know these are uncomfortable questions you never thought of asking before, but, please, take your time in dodging them.

Wrong again. We dropped the MOAB on their leaders and got a high score. Then, amazingly, they never were seen again. ISIS, on the other hand, ROSE TO POWER during the Obama admin. You obviously haven't paid attention. This seems to be a recurring theme with you.

The MOAB only managed to get two confirmed kills. Was two the high score? And we still hear about them because they are still bombing places. Unless you are talking about losing all their territory, then yes, that happened under Trump. But they were also on the verge of losing it all when Trump took over. So I guess I wasn't the one who wasn't paying attention, huh?

Technically they rose to power during the bush administration thanks to the disbanding of the Iraq military and no follow up plans on what to do with them. They rose to the height of their power during the Obama administration.

Well...I can't argue with you on that one. You pretty much nailed it...except for the last part. You forgot the kind of leaders that founded this great country, they were quite trumpian.
Oh? Did they have a tax cut for the rich and started a tariff war with China too? Or was it their historically low unemployment rates for black people? Lol.

And he also broke 4%. Essentially he's breaking all the walls that the dems say he can't, and he's winning so much that it is ripping lib minds apart...

Yeah, but he couldn't keep it at 3% and even to keep it up for that long he had to jack up our debt to reach it. He essentially maxed out our credit cards to appear successful.

Also, Trump promised he could reach 6%

I don't expect the opposition to tell the truth about his strengths, only try and report on his weaknesses. Enemies will only tell you your weaknesses, friends only your strengths.

We keep each other honest. But does that mean you will ignore his mistakes to keep him strong? Because if you refuse to correct your mistakes, you'll never improve.

If that's the case, show me references. If I'm wrong, I can accept it, but so far this would be the first time you successfully do it. Bravo? :)

Read those sexy numbers. Obama got it up to 5.1%. Trump's highest was 4.5%.

https://www.statista.com/statistics.....gdp-in-the-us/

SHOW MEE THE MONEEYYYYYYYY (the references) :)

Look at that steady downward unemployment since Obama took over. The tend continues right into Trump and slows down a bit. Do you finally admit I was right?

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

Sounds like a group of smart and respectable people. You should converse with them more and you might learn something.
I'm conversing with one right now. =)

Yet my referenced links never came from fox news, in fact they were liberal outlets.

Ah, you got me there.

"Oh, I will never silence you. I just like presenting facts I know you can't rebut and won't response to until you run out of scripted things to say and quit replying."

Honestly, I feel kinda bad for you because arguing with me AND trying to score good solid hit points in the form of facts is nearly impossible because I know the facts before I enter an argument every time.

You either have the facts, or you are on the wrong side of history.

Correctly winning an argument against me is an exercise in futility, since I can rebound on arguments like Ben Shapiro. You would have better luck walking on top of deep water at room temperature.
Just give up now, you only have your dignity to defend. If you walk away, I will let you keep your dignity. It's ok to be wrong, this is a free country after all. =^_^=

Honestly, I feel kinda bad for you because arguing with me AND trying to score good solid hit points in the form of facts is nearly impossible because I know the facts before I enter an argument every time.

You either have the facts, or you are on the wrong side of history.

Correctly winning an argument against me is an exercise in futility, since I can rebound on arguments like Ben Shapiro. You would have better luck walking on top of deep water at room temperature.
Just give up now, you only have your dignity to defend. If you walk away, I will let you keep your dignity. It's ok to be wrong, this is a free country after all. =^_^=
Kinda weird thinking any of us have any kind of dignity on a furry porn site.

This is fun mostly because the facts and numbers all say you are wrong but you need to be able to twist them in a way that makes you seem right. I wanna see how far you can bend the truth before you outright just break it.

"Kinda weird thinking any of us have any kind of dignity on a furry porn site. "

I...have to agree with you. That's a pretty fair point. XD

"This is fun mostly because the facts and numbers all say you are wrong but you need to be able to twist them in a way that makes you seem right. I wanna see how far you can bend the truth before you outright just break it. "

You have to actually know the truth first for you to know when it is broken. So no, not possible.

You have to actually know the truth first for you to know when it is broken. So no, not possible.

Truth is subjective and things can be truther then others. For example, you can ask people their age and get a different answer, and each of those answers are true. Another example, I can say "I have a job", "I have a job from 9 to 5", "I have a job from 9 to 5 on Monday to Friday." Each of those statements is truer then the last because they each add more information. The problem I'm seeing with you is you tend to stop with the truth right before it gets embarrassing. So that it is still technically true without having to admit you are wrong about something.

Obama cut the deficit in half? When he left office the US debts were TWICE as high compared to before his rule.

He made more new debts than all 43 presidents before him together. He did an extremely shitty job I would say.

Yes, actually he dropped the deficit by 69% under his presidency. Which really helped the economy flourish. Debt is how much you owe and deficit is how much that debt is increased. He drastically cut down how much we were spending. While there was a lot of debt that occurred under Obama, no one ever seems to ask where all the debt came from. What did Obama spend all that money on? The trick to that is the previous administration started a lot of wars and those wars cost a lot of money. The cost of which wasn't added until the next administration. They set up a time bomb that whomever the next president was going to be had to catch it. If you are more interested in the end result then the cause, sure. But why let facts get in the way of a good story, am I right?

The again, in American debt is never really a concern unless it can be used as political weapon against your opponents.

"Your silence will always come when asked how to advance mankind forward because you will have no answer to give."
Easy. Deregulation of industry to the degree that doesn't overly harm the environment and allows for energy/production independence from the world economy. Protection of our borders, just like every successful nation in the history of the world since time immemorial. Walls work. Enforcement of our laws without exceptions, equality is the name, remember? This stuff is too easy, and flies in the face of your statement of how conservatives have no answers. WE ARE the answer.

...and finally, I have forgotten NOTHING about the Obama administration times. If anything, they were the most horrible 8 years of my life. The most dangerous ones, with the bleakest hopes for maintaining a successful nation. I do not apologize for being American, White, or Male to ANYONE. Never again, this atrocity.

Deregulation of industry to the degree that doesn't overly harm the environment and allows for energy/production independence from the world economy.
So, a while back, there was an oil spill in the Gulf. Devastated the environment and economy of that reason. Democrats put into place safety regulations to make sure that oil platforms regulatory inspect and maintain their equipment. Trump removed those regulations. Why? Also, why did Trump allow fracking and offshore drilling everywhere expect where he owns property?

Furthermore, how much can you harm the environment before Republicans consider it to much? That seems like an vague statement to allow as bunch abuse as possible. Feels like the answer you could give and still be right is "you can never overly harm the environment when it comes to profit."

Protection of our borders, just like every successful nation in the history of the world since time immemorial. Walls work. Only 40% of illegal immigrants come from the southern border. What is the Republican plan to stop the other 60% of illegal immigrants? Also, why is Trump not being held accounting for the illegal immigrants currently employed by him?

Enforcement of our laws without exceptions, equality is the name, remember?
How come Republicans refuse to enforce the law when Trump violates it? Republicans seem rather selective on which laws need to be enforced.

This stuff is too easy, and flies in the face of your statement of how conservatives have no answers. WE ARE the answer.
Most of the answers seem to boil down to "We want to do a thing, but we don't know how nor care enough to actually do it. We hope the problem revolves itself in the future." Like when you ask them "how do you solve poverty in America?" and they will respond with something like "We definitely want to see people succeed in life. We just accept the fact not everyone can and leave it like that. It is the natural order of things that some people will struggle in any system. If anything those people need to work harder to become successful at life through their own strength."

If anything, they were the most horrible 8 years of my life. The most dangerous ones, with the bleakest hopes for maintaining a successful nation. I do not apologize for being American, White, or Male to ANYONE. Never again, this atrocity.
I'm sorry, I have mistaken thought you were basing your reasoning off of irrational emotions like fear and angry- Oh, those were your reasons? My bad. Did anyone ever require you to apologize for being a white male American? Whatever strange life experience you went through I cannot say I seen anything of what you are describing. It feels like one of those "war on Christmas" deals where you make something up to feel persecuted about so you and your buddies can bond over a shared traumatic event together.

"why did Trump allow fracking and offshore drilling everywhere expect where he owns property?"

If you didn't know, fracking actually cleans the sand and pulls out the oils that saturate it naturally, like driftwood.

"So, a while back, there was an oil spill in the Gulf. Devastated the environment and economy of that reason. Democrats put into place safety regulations to make sure that oil platforms regulatory inspect and maintain their equipment. Trump removed those regulations. Why?"

The inspections also required higher taxes and fees to be levied that had nothing to do with inspections. Regardless of whether we force inspection on an industry, they are held responsible to amend any failings. Those regs still stand.

"Furthermore, how much can you harm the environment before Republicans consider it to much? That seems like an vague statement to allow as bunch abuse as possible. Feels like the answer you could give and still be right is "you can never overly harm the environment when it comes to profit.""

I would support regulation of an industry as long as it didn't overly burden the industry to the point where it no longer is profitable. If it wasn't profitable to begin with, there is no point to have said industry. But if it is profitable, the only worthwhile measures are those that ensure reasonable costs for inspections and minimal fees and surcharges to ensure our economy doesn't bog down. I am with you on ensuring our environment is safeguarded, just the dems poison-pill their measures with onerous fees that don't belong there in the package.

"Only 40% of illegal immigrants come from the southern border. What is the Republican plan to stop the other 60% of illegal immigrants? Also, why is Trump not being held accounting for the illegal immigrants currently employed by him?"

So funny...first the dems are 100% against ANY measure against illegal immigration, and then when president Trump finally starts plugging the holes in the dam you expect him to have 100% effectiveness all the while the liberal media attacks his every move 24/7. This is absurd. Security measures and cleanup takes time and preparation. As of now, he has done nothing but operate at the speed of a superhuman, regardless of the liberal toxic attacks.

"What is the Republican plan to stop the other 60% of illegal immigrants? "

So, illegal immigration happens over air travel too, so you are in support of ice law enforcement there? Cool! Oh wait...no...ya'll dems shot down his air travel bans, which were his first step towards enforcement. And yet then you blame him for not being successful.

"How come Republicans refuse to enforce the law when Trump violates it? Republicans seem rather selective on which laws need to be enforced."

Vague statement. Without facts it is invalid.

"Most of the answers seem to boil down to "We want to do a thing, but we don't know how nor care enough to actually do it. We hope the problem revolves itself in the future."

Funny, that was the same mantra I heard in the leftist community preceding obama's election at the end of bush's term. (no, bush didn't a good job, don't pin that on us, he wasn't really republican, more of a RINO) Once again, equality of application...and blame is
key.

""We definitely want to see people succeed in life. We just accept the fact not everyone can and leave it like that. It is the natural order of things that some people will struggle in any system. If anything those people need to work harder to become successful at life through their own strength.""

Cool.

"I'm sorry, I have mistaken thought you were basing your reasoning off of irrational emotions like fear and angry- Oh, those were your reasons? My bad. "

Your bad, I agree. You could ask my reasons (the list could fill a book), but no I base my reasons on fact, and I actually have emotions too. Libs don't have a monopoly on emotions or empathy.

"Did anyone ever require you to apologize for being a white male American? Whatever strange life experience you went through I cannot say I seen anything of what you are describing. It feels like one of those "war on Christmas" deals where you make something up to feel persecuted about so you and your buddies can bond over a shared traumatic event together. "

Pardon me, your elitist snark is showing.
Being shamed for being white or american is a ridiculous notion? Where have you been the last 12 years? Note, the links below are just basic examples of how you are wrong, and moreso how you are either blind to the world or in denial.

Shamed for being white:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/.....privilege.html

Shamed for being american:
https://www.heritage.org/europe/rep.....ted-superpower

This is just too easy.

If you didn't know, fracking actually cleans the sand and pulls out the oils that saturate it naturally, like driftwood.

That isn't what people say when fracking is done near them. It also doesn't explain why Trump doesn't want it happening hear his property.

The inspections also required higher taxes and fees to be levied that had nothing to do with inspections. Regardless of whether we force inspection on an industry, they are held responsible to amend any failings. Those regs still stand.

So, Republicans couldn't just change it to exclude the tax and just require the inspections? The rest is just a classic "we don't have an answer on how to prevent this from happening again."

I would support regulation of an industry as long as it didn't overly burden the industry to the point where it no longer is profitable. If it wasn't profitable to begin with, there is no point to have said industry. But if it is profitable, the only worthwhile measures are those that ensure reasonable costs for inspections and minimal fees and surcharges to ensure our economy doesn't bog down. I am with you on ensuring our environment is safeguarded, just the dems poison-pill their measures with onerous fees that don't belong there in the package.

How much can you cut into an industry's profits before it is considered overly burdensome? Can we take half their profits to protect the environment? A quarter of their profits? A tenth? What? That leaves the door open to any number. Trump allowed companies to dump more toxins in the river because it was to costly to properly dispose of it, do you think that is acceptable? The rest is "I love the environment but I don't have an answer to how we should protect it."

So funny...first the dems are 100% against ANY measure against illegal immigration, and then when president Trump finally starts plugging the holes in the dam you expect him to have 100% effectiveness all the while the liberal media attacks his every move 24/7. This is absurd. Security measures and cleanup takes time and preparation. As of now, he has done nothing but operate at the speed of a superhuman, regardless of the liberal toxic attacks.

Untrue, Democrats increased funding to I.C.E and tried to pass two immigration reforms. Both reforms we denied by Trump because they didn't include a wall. Trump is unwilling to compromise on any unless he gets everything he wants right away. That is not how things are run.

So, illegal immigration happens over air travel too, so you are in support of ice law enforcement there? Cool! Oh wait...no...ya'll dems shot down his air travel bans, which were his first step towards enforcement. And yet then you blame him for not being successful.
The only ban I know of is his Muslim ban, which was illegal. The courts shot that one down. Normally if you over stay your visa and are caught, you are banned from flying. Which ban are you talking about?

Vague statement. Without facts it is invalid.
If you have to be told which crimes then you haven't been paying attention. Nepotism which is a violation of the constitution and prostitution which is a crime in almost every state. Not to mention his campaign violations for said prostitution.

Funny, that was the same mantra I heard in the leftist community preceding Obama's election at the end of bush's term. (no, bush didn't a good job, don't pin that on us, he wasn't really republican, more of a RINO) Once again, equality of application...and blame is
key.

Obama got a lot of stuff done despite Republican opposition. Every Republican loved Bush while he was in office because of his tax cuts for the rich, until he sank the economy and everyone hated him. Trump is following the same policies, everyone loves him and we are headed to another recession. Hopefully after a second time you'll actually remember what happens with trickle down economics.

Cool.
And that is why your party keeps losing to liberals with solutions.

Your bad, I agree. You could ask my reasons (the list could fill a book), but no I base my reasons on fact, and I actually have emotions too. Libs don't have a monopoly on emotions or empathy.
I am asking for your reasons. Your reasons so far in this section seem to be money. I haven't seen any facts, just opninions so far. You seem to have plenty of emotions, most of them just happen to be fear and anger.

Pardon me, your elitist snark is showing.
Being shamed for being white or american is a ridiculous notion? Where have you been the last 12 years? Note, the links below are just basic examples of how you are wrong, and moreso how you are either blind to the world or in denial.
I don't take much stock in opinion articles. I could just as easily look up stuff from InfoWars to prove how crazy the alt-right is.

Obama was saying in almost every quote about how America isn't prefect, we make mistakes, but we are doing our best, we don't want to be your enemies, let's work together. Obama was being honest and that honest from a politician is refreshing. He got a lot done on the world stage.

But compare Trump, never says he makes a mistake, never apologizes, never compromises, gets very little done on the world stage. While Obama was respected, Trump is being laughed at and taken advantage of constantly.

"That isn't what people say when fracking is done near them. It also doesn't explain why Trump doesn't want it happening hear his property."

So what do they say? They being you?

"So, Republicans couldn't just change it to exclude the tax and just require the inspections? The rest is just a classic "we don't have an answer on how to prevent this from happening again."

And so they did it. You're following along nicely.

"How much can you cut into an industry's profits before it is considered overly burdensome? Can we take half their profits to protect the environment? A quarter of their profits? A tenth? What? That leaves the door open to any number. Trump allowed companies to dump more toxins in the river because it was to costly to properly dispose of it, do you think that is acceptable? The rest is "I love the environment but I don't have an answer to how we should protect it.""

Unfortunately I'm not an accountant, but I'm sure if you found an accountant they could show you all 500 pages of content on how that is the case. Do you own a company? I don't. Anyway it has been proven correct. Do you need references for this one too? My fingers are getting tired from providing...so...many references. And you haven't given ANY.

"Untrue, Democrats increased funding to I.C.E and tried to pass two immigration reforms. Both reforms we denied by Trump because they didn't include a wall. Trump is unwilling to compromise on any unless he gets everything he wants right away. That is not how things are run."

Wrong. If you are familiar with the concept of a poison pill, you would of course know why President Trump couldn't accept the low-hanging fruit of poor immigration reform bills by the dems. And because he wouldn't accept the bad deals back then, we now are building the wall.
#winning
Or if you're a democrat... #whining

"The only ban I know of is his Muslim ban, which was illegal. The courts shot that one down. Normally if you over stay your visa and are caught, you are banned from flying. Which ban are you talking about?"

At this point, all of them. Pick any. Trump is batting a 1000/1 against the dems opposing all things he does. Any progress for Trump is progress because this isn't an uphill battle, it's cliff-climbing.
Once again, the travel bans were only first step attempts. Yes, you can see there were many different types he tried, but all were shot down.

"If you have to be told which crimes then you haven't been paying attention. Nepotism which is a violation of the constitution and prostitution which is a crime in almost every state. Not to mention his campaign violations for said prostitution. "

I know of many things, but I don't claim to know it all. You are free to explain what laws you think Trump may have violated.

"Obama got a lot of stuff done despite Republican opposition. Every Republican loved Bush while he was in office because of his tax cuts for the rich, until he sank the economy and everyone hated him."

Obama and Bush were both horrible sides of the same coin. I cannot defend either.

"Trump is following the same policies, everyone loves him and we are headed to another recession. Hopefully after a second time you'll actually remember what happens with trickle down economics."

Well let us hope it doesn't because I like my money and low taxes to stay where they are.

"And that is why your party keeps losing to liberals with solutions."

False equivalency. And the dems have no wins since 2016. ...unless you consider the green new deal to be a win, which I have to say, thank you for the Trump 2020 win guarantee with that one. Truly AOC couldn't have done it better. :)

"I am asking for your reasons. Your reasons so far in this section seem to be money. I haven't seen any facts, just opninions so far. You seem to have plenty of emotions, most of them just happen to be fear and anger."

Well...the ones I personally disliked the most were the raise in taxes and $1000 per year for Obamacare (the website alone cost more than Trump's wall) that almost ran my brother bankrupt...and all the attempts he supported to erode our second amendment, and then lie about it. The thing is, Obama is thankfully in the past, and I like to keep it that way. If you think this is a win for you, I'll give you a win, but it is too painful to begin talking about the criminal stuff he did to cause me so much stress, and talking about what he did to piss me off will make me lose more than win, even if I win the argument.

"I don't take much stock in opinion articles. I could just as easily look up stuff from InfoWars to prove how crazy the alt-right is.

Obama was saying in almost every quote about how America isn't prefect, we make mistakes, but we are doing our best, we don't want to be your enemies, let's work together. Obama was being honest and that honest from a politician is refreshing. He got a lot done on the world stage.

But compare Trump, never says he makes a mistake, never apologizes, never compromises, gets very little done on the world stage. While Obama was respected, Trump is being laughed at and taken advantage of constantly. "

Everyone has their own preference of who their ideal leader personality is. This is natural. You are entitled to your opinion, and in this case no one is really right or wrong. Of all three rulers, they all did wrong things. Just, I will vote for Trump next year because history's trends favor his current actions and policies. If you vote next year, we will likely cancel each other out, and that's fine too. =^_^=

So what do they say? They being you?

Educate yourself.

https://serc.carleton.edu/NAGTWorks.....racking_w.html

And so they did it. You're following along nicely.
You just said they didn't because Democrats put a tax hike in the bill. Are you changing your answer to whatever you think is the right one?

Unfortunately I'm not an accountant, but I'm sure if you found an accountant they could show you all 500 pages of content on how that is the case. Do you own a company? I don't. Anyway it has been proven correct. Do you need references for this one too? My fingers are getting tired from providing...so...many references. And you haven't given ANY.

I feel that summarizes my entire point of Republicans not having any real answers. It sounds cool on paper but no one knows how to actually get it done and the way they set it up provides for a lot of abuse. If someone comes in and tries to prevent that abuse then suddenly they are being overly burdensome on their profits and need to be stopped.

Someone needs to make the hard calls. "You see that park over there? Don't throw trash there! You see that river? Don't dump toxins in it! See that forest? Don't drill there! I don't care how much it will cost you to drive your trash to the dump!" Problem solved, no needing a company's permission to protect the environment. Why is that so hard for you?

Wrong. If you are familiar with the concept of a poison pill, you would of course know why President Trump couldn't accept the low-hanging fruit of poor immigration reform bills by the dems. And because he wouldn't accept the bad deals back then, we now are building the wall.
#winning
Or if you're a democrat... #whining

He refused to compromise and now he gets nothing. Great, you won, grats. And he hasn't started building any new walls yet. Only refurbishing the ones Obama already put up. So technically Democrats put up more walls on the southern border then Trump has so far.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr.....gency-confirms

At this point, all of them. Pick any. Trump is batting a 1000/1 against the dems opposing all things he does. Any progress for Trump is progress because this isn't an uphill battle, it's cliff-climbing.
Once again, the travel bans were only first step attempts. Yes, you can see there were many different types he tried, but all were shot down.
I seen him try one type and it failed. Then he tried a second time for a six month ban and it succeeded. But those six months have passed and he hasn't reissued another one since. So, immigration problem solved?

I know of many things, but I don't claim to know it all. You are free to explain what laws you think Trump may have violated.
I... just listed three and you responded to none of them... So...

Obama and Bush were both horrible sides of the same coin. I cannot defend either.

That is fine, but I have a sneaking feeling Trump will make that a trio after he is out of office.

Well let us hope it doesn't because I like my money and low taxes to stay where they are.

Unfortunately, someone will eventually have to pay for it. We are playing Russian roulette with our generations over who will get stuck paying this bill.

False equivalency. And the dems have no wins since 2016. ...unless you consider the green new deal to be a win, which I have to say, thank you for the Trump 2020 win guarantee with that one. Truly AOC couldn't have done it better. :)
They won Congress from Trump during the hieght of his success, so...

Well...the ones I personally disliked the most were the raise in taxes and $1000 per year for Obamacare and all the attempts he supported to erode our second amendment, and then lie about it. The thing is, Obama is thankfully in the past, and I like to keep it that way. If you think this is a win for you, I'll give you a win, but it is too painful to begin talking about the criminal stuff he did to cause me so much stress, and talking about what he did to piss me off will make me lose more than win, even if I win the argument.
The main problem with the ACA I believe is when Republicans gutted price controls of the bill, essentially cutting the brakes in an attempt to sabotage it.

Obama is taking our guns, lol.

If you don't want to talk about that is fine. But it seems like every time I try to get into what did Obama wrong I get hit with this same response. I'm curious now...

Everyone has their own preference of who their ideal leader personality is. This is natural. You are entitled to your opinion, and in this case no one is really right or wrong. Of all three rulers, they all did wrong things. Just, I will vote for Trump next year because history's trends favor his current actions and policies. If you vote next year, we will likely cancel each other out, and that's fine too. =^_^=
It seems like you shifted from comparing results to personal preferences. Something that I can't argue against. An excellent dodge and block tactic, if I do say so myself.

you can't imagine the relief we had here in france, swiss, canada, UK and a lot of other countries when we learned Clinton was out for good. I think this was the biggest issue of this election. Then Trump, seriously, he doesn't scare anyone, he's funny but not dangerous like Bush.
no, seriously i like the outcome.

I think I love you.

i love you too :3

so how do you like all that winning now huh?

Trump is all the affable pomp of Dubya, but without any of the warhawkishness.

Not so much relief here in Canada, most people were freaking out over what he said about Nafta and Nato

Well of course not, I hate Hilary too, but that doesn't make Trump good.

you said it

not me, i didnt choose him XD

Looks like Trump if he were in Broforce xD

THATS where I've seen this style before! xD

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What just have you done America...

To be fair to us Americans, the majority voted for Clinton.

Actually the majority voted for Trump. That's kind of how elections work.

You need to learn the difference between the popular vote and the electoral college.

More people voted for Clinton. More people have voted for every Democrat Presidential candidate since Clinton, I think, except for Kerry.

The electoral votes can easily turn out differently from the popular vote.

The electoral college ensures that overpopulated bully states like California don't get to marginalize minority states like Wyoming and North Dakota. I'm sure you care about the underdog, that's what being liberal and inclusive is all about, right?
The electoral college safeguards the smaller states interests, to ensure EQUALITY. Thank you.

"Overpopulated bully states" are where the people are. Safeguarding the smaller states' interest is what the Senate is for - not the Presidency.

If we're going to have a popular vote for the Presidency at all, then a) it shouldn't be first-past-the-post, and b) it should be a popular vote, not this muddled halfway hybrid. A New York farmer's vote should not be worth less than that of a North Dakota farmer.

The states are all equal, regardless of whether every leftist would just love it for New York and California to dominate all future elections until our country crumbles. No, it should NOT be a popular vote. The founding fathers knew this would happen and they put safeguards in place (electoral colllege) to stop it, thankfully.

It is not a popular vote, who ever told you that? Someone who obviously doesn't know that we have a representative republic. Not a democracy. An easy look at the history of an actual democracy shows in the greek states where it ends in mob rule and violent upheaval before collapse.


"A New York farmer's vote should not be worth less than that of a North Dakota farmer."

Are you discriminating against farmers? The STATES are equal. Those who choose to live in it, knowing their votes together are no more important than any other STATE, have no room to complain. If you want your vote to count more, move to a different, less populated state. Common knowledge dictates this is all open-source data. There is no secret, and this is (thankfully) still a free country.

" it should be a popular vote, not this muddled halfway hybrid."

There is nothing muddled about it. There are votes in a state, and they go to a representative who then votes based upon the majority of votes cast in that state. Representative Republic is what it is, and what it is called. It is rather beautiful actually. It prevents mob rule and ensures all states get an equal chance. Those unintelligent enough to live in overpopulated areas choose to have their votes count for less...but in the end, they are not competing with a farmer from north dakota, they are competing with other citizens from their own state.
To say otherwise is to accept a false equivalency, and to clearly show lack of understanding in our voting system.

Please, PLEASE look at the popular vote tally.

Clinton: 59,814,018 votes
Trump: 59,611,678 votes

That's a MAJORITY for Trump?

The electoral college ensures that overpopulated bully states like California don't get to marginalize minority states like Wyoming and North Dakota. I'm sure you care about the underdog, that's what being liberal and inclusive is all about, right?
The electoral college safeguards the smaller states interests, to ensure EQUALITY. Thank you.

Not American Presidential Elections. Trump did actually lose the popular vote, though neither Trump or Clinton won a majority of votes because there are third parties. Trump won the electoral college vote and so won the election. Because states with lower population have more proportional electoral votes because electors are based on the number of senators and representatives in congress and every state gets two senators and one representative regardless of population. This is part of the us constitution, and so an amendment would be needed to change this. There has been a debate on the merits of doing this a long time in the us and several attempts to change it, but none have ever gotten enough support to do it. One potential argument for this system is that it stops the cities from drowning out the voice of people in less populated states. So, in the US were the rights of the states vs the federal government is a big issue the smaller states do not want to give up the power they have in choosing the president. This is now the fifth time this has happened in US history (app. 11% of all presidential elections). Also, in many voting systems around the world you do not need a majority to win just a plurality.

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Liberal tears lubricate my 3 cars, power my house and substitute gunpowder in my shells. Valuable stuff, Tears A'la Lib.

KAG 2020. =^_^= This fox approves.

WE MADE IT GREAT AGAIN

Part of me wishes to read this as sarcasm.

That we did, and that's NOT sarcasm.

made what great again? hate? racism? losing our lead in the world? We certainly made many other countries great again that is for sure.

You are so blind, it's laughable. Also, don't you have anything better to do than to troll a five year old comment?

For me it's about a year.

Trump derangement syndrome is a liberal-exclusive condition last time I checked. Conservatives haven't lost their minds at all...and the economy has been booming, unemployment lower than 50 years prior...the sun is shining and ISIS is in hiding... Life couldn't be better.

This fox approves =^_^=

hah you lose now we can get back to actual progress and no the only reasons for those things were squarely because of what Obama did not humpy dumpy and his useless wall.

And they were stupid.

i watch as i will see this nation fall now. :u it's just the matter of time now. assuming war doesn't break out by the time he hits office. :u we'll see how things play. all i know is people of america better start praying or readying up for what's about to take place.

Our best candidate is winning.

Lvl 50 Trump has entered the dungeon

I prefer to see him as Leeroy Jenkins. He cares little for the US. All he cares about is that he gets his money from this, and that he can now get away with nearly everything because he's the President. He's going to be more trouble than he's worth.

How the hell this is even happening is beyond me. I feel like this is a death sentence for the country.

...and please don't suggest I had anything to do with this.

Regardless of the election's outcome, I'm more impressed that you had this ready to post so quickly, Spotty. X3

I had ideas in advance, for Clinton as emperor palpatine.

Heheh, nice. Somehow, I had a feeling you had one of each candidate ready to go, given how fast you had this one up. X3 Well done, indeed, to plan ahead like that.

Есть вариант с Хиллари? ^^

А я его не делал. Я сделал Трампа на стриме прямо во время взятия Трампом большинства голосов.

Было бы оооочень любопытно посмотреть, если бы Хиллари выиграла
Что хотя бы была за идея?

Please, do it. XD

The hillary one would've been appropriate

В целях обеспечения безопасности и большей стабильности...

The Simpsons warn us...

We learned to make space here in europe, come over

I believe it's better to pass up islamic indoctrination.

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I have no sides and I must KEK

*looks around to other countries* ....I can learn another language.

Hope you have a valuable trade, savings, no debt and clean credit, because the United States is literally the EASIEST country to immigrate to. Everyone else has standards.

Well that may be changing now. Though not in the good way.

"Enforcing your national laws in regards to immigration is BAD, BAD, BAD, but only when AMERICA does it. When any other nation has standards for immigration that's dandy."

You, literally you, right now.

Lol, Well I am for enforcing the laws but I don't think building a wall is going to do anything except waste money.

You do realize Mexico has a wall along THEIR southern border? For the same reason people here want to have one?

I need to point out Mexico doesn't have a wall on it's southern border. The only thing there is a canyon. Built my nature. Not that it really matters, because we won't get a wall anyhow.

Not more of a waste of money that's put to good use than feeding, clothing and giving tax free health care to illegals which needs to stop. Lets not forgot all those anchor babies they love to have that also needs to go.

Yeah god forbid a rich country of abundance helps to feed and look after other less well off HUMAN BEINGS. Fucking cold heartless bastard.

I'm not against helping people at all. Way to not read what I said. The cold heartless bastard ain't me. We don't need people having anchor kids here just to collect welfare. Go to the southern states and sing the tune of them being taken care of. Better watch for the stray of bullets you know. And illegals are exactly that, let them pay taxes like the rest of us to get the "free shit" illegals don't deserve the help but a boot in the ass and a trip back across the border if they don't want to be here legally.

What if they are fleeing war? What if they are fleeing terror? What if they have nothing but violence and rape to go back to? What if they literally have nothing to go back to? What then?

You're a moron. That's no excuse to not go through legal channels to enter a country. We have laws that everyone has to abide. People immigrating have no excuse and to be treated above citizens of the country. You just don't understand that with what you are bringing up. We don't just accept people and let them be here for free. That's the problem that you are either too young, immature or dense to understand, or have relatives here illegally. In that last case I hope you enjoy watching them be deported. Enough is enough and the first start is you have to understand the how and why we don't need illegals here. There really is no excuse for them to be illegal.

Where do you think the money comes from that pays for all of that to get someone here? It comes with time from people that worked for it. I think the problem is with you that you think because the US can print money that its unlimited. Its far from that and can run out.

And YOU are exactly whats wrong with the world. This cancerous, cold-hearted lack of any type of empathy or concern for the well being or future of our fellow human beings who are less fortunate than us, despite the fact we have more than enough resources to take care of them, especially when we are the ones responsible for their suffering in many cases.

You are the type of cold, heartless piece of shit we need less of in the world. I bet you are the type who sees children drowning in the Mediterranean, 3-4-5 year olds torn from the arms of their terrified mothers as they fell overboard from an overcrowded barge full of refugees who are just trying to flee a murderous death cult.
The type who see's entire families homeless with no where to go because their entire village got destroyed by a US or Russian bomb and says "send them dirty sand niggers back to where they came from!".

And yet IM the one who is called a "moron", sure pal.

Theres EVERY excuse to circumvent "laws", especially if these poor people arent even aware of said fucking laws to begin with! When you are fleeing for your fucking lives, worrying about some bureaucratic bullshit isn't exactly high on your list. Or if the laws themselves are discriminatory, i.e. only beneficial to the rich or to people who can pay exorbitant entry fee's, heck i'm a white male and i wanted to immigrate to the states and simply couldn't do it because the cost was too high, both financially and mentally and that was AFTER marrying a US citizen! (i didn't marry just for that reason, that was unrelated but the point still stands).

So you can go fuck yourself for that statement as you dont know SHIT about me or how old I am or what I know about the immigration system or how broken it is or what I myself had to go through or what others in far worse situations than I was in are going through.

Id rather go out of my way and help any number of those "worthless, sub human" immigrants that you sneer at and look down upon than even ever consider pissing on you if you were on fire. Hopefully the time will come someday when you are the one who needs help and hopefully everybody will turn their backs on you and we'll see who is "dense, immature" and "too young" then.

This conversation is over.

Just for the hell of it I'll work through your points. And yes you're a fucking child from the way you're posting to me lib so fuck off. Because you need to shut the fuck up. You certainly don't understand the situation because you think you're doing the world a favor by how you're arguing. I don't look down on people. Secondly those concerns of those people around the world? We need to worry about at home first where it counts. I highly doubt if all of this well being was tended to by you for example to go over and help in person you'd be singing the same tune you're trying to shovel down my throat. I already told you that it takes people to do things, you simply don't grasp the concept.

The world problem is if we have to we take them out and help them rebuild. Simple as that. The United States is for those that are here and contributing to society. Clearly you aren't one of them and shouldn't be here at all.

Ok you let the people in your home and god forbid they may just be ok people or not. Honestly unless they legitimately be here and go through the other channels like others did they just don't belong here. That means they are undocumented and there have been times where it wasn't exactly good. I have documents like any other legal resident, sorry but we all have them. There's nothing ignorant about that, just you feel that we need to take each and every person in without thinking of the well being of those here. That's your fucking problem. If those people that seemed "oh they are downtrodden and had it bad over there we need to help them". Yeah the thing is we. I know far more and probably been around longer than you have that it takes work and sometimes you get those that just increase the crime rate.

I never called anyone sub human but you think because I don't see your point of view as in I was born and raised in the US. We shouldn't be continually paying for other countries problems. How about they start shorting their own shit out for a change? Not everyone does evil things every day. Some do and some don't, you just don't grasp the situations well from your bias.

So of course your point of view is going to be oh we should let anyone in Because I GOT IN so they should too. And guess what? That's not how it works. Sorry. It should be the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. The safety of those naturally here comes first as they are paying for that right. Something I highly doubt you ever did.

As far as the conversation being over, maybe I should contact the INS? Maybe we'll see just how legal you really are to be here given what you posted.



It's hilarious how I got blocked too.

Illegal immigration was never this country's problem. Illegal immigration wasn't the thing that sank our economy. Immigration is just a distraction from the real issues plaguing our nation. Once we get a bigger government to export all those illegals and we still have the same problems, who are you going to blame then?

Probably Muslims (cause of the next inevitable terrorist attack) and Blacks (cause Black). Basically, anybody except the oligarchs who are really destroying things. Because that would mean punching up, and that's hard.

Illegal immigrants cost the US government 120 billion a year in free handouts. The entire democratic party is having seizures and aneurisms over our president trying to use only 8 billion to help stop the flow and build a proper wall. This is no secret, and it's open source data, so there's no excuse not knowing it.

If you are concerned about the financial cost of illegal immigrants, do you know what the financial gains of illegal immigrants are? To keep things in proper perspective. They must be cost effective if people keep hiring them. And no, you are not doing to build a proper wall to stop anything for only 8 billion dollars. Think more $50 billion. $8 billion is just the annual budget for I.C.E.

"do you know what the financial gains of illegal immigrants are?"

Yes. It is the cost of a jail sentence and massive fines because to hire an illegal immigrant is a crime. Oh, and they don't pay taxes either, who'd have thought?

"And no, you are not doing to build a proper wall to stop anything for only 8 billion dollars. Think more $50 billion. $8 billion is just the annual budget for I.C.E. "

Wrong. The wall was priced at 8 billion. Carry on.

So you admit Trump is guilty of yet another crime? And now you are complaining people aren't paying taxes? I'm right, I.C.E budget is $8 billion, look it up. I have no idea where you are getting this cost for the wall tho.

"{So you admit Trump is guilty of yet another crime?"

You mistook me for a tribal political follower. If someone broke the law, that's on them if it's the case.

" And now you are complaining people aren't paying taxes?"

Yes. Reduced levels of taxes, but still need to be paid.

"I'm right, I.C.E budget is $8 billion, look it up. I have no idea where you are getting this cost for the wall tho. "

It's ok. Now you do know.
https://qz.com/1602807/the-pentagon.....n-trumps-wall/

If ICE budget is $8 billion, still isn't near the 120 billion we are cost in illegal immigrant supporting welfare. It is only 5% the price. In business, we call that a good investment.

You mistook me for a tribal political follower. If someone broke the law, that's on them if it's the case.

Good thing I'm here then. You were unaware of any of the crimes Trump committed until I mentioned them. While you can still support him, hopefully you will be more inclined to expect better from him.

Yes. Reduced levels of taxes, but still need to be paid.

Curious thought, with Trump's new tax cuts, a lot of the wealthiest companies are no longer paying taxes. In fact, the government is essentially paying them not to pay taxes, giving them free welfare at the cost of tax payers. Are you equally against those companies not paying taxes or just the lowest class of society not paying them?

It's ok. Now you do know.
https://qz.com/1602807/the-pentagon.....n-trumps-wall/

If ICE budget is $8 billion, still isn't near the 120 billion we are cost in illegal immigrant supporting welfare. It is only 5% the price. In business, we call that a good investment.
Did you read the article? It said they got 8 billion from the Pentagon to help cover the cost of about 50 miles of wall, not that the entire project would cost 8 billion to complete. Try again.

We can't even afford to feed and tend to our own health needs, what makes you think we can afford to take care of Mexico's as well? How about all these Illegals go back, throw out their corrupt politicians, install a Popularist and actually try to Make Mexico Grande Again? That's the difference, it seems. People come here fleeing broken governments, but get butthurt when the people who grew up here stand up and throw out their corrupt leaders.

It's like they hate seeing people actually do what needs to be done.

Mexico recives 5billion from u.s.d. taxes yearly

And that needs to stop.

i didn't vote for him

Даже тут о нем говорят :D

Why'd we have to end up in the Biff Tannen timeline? Why? :(

This is the best summation of this situation.

Also: The Darkest Timeline from Community. >__>

My forever burning question, right there.

He's not orange enough.

Уря! Я все боялась что подставят или обманут его, но все получилось :D

Возможно закончит как Кеннеди

Ну да, а то что хилая клитор могла в любой момент копыта откинуть - типа не считается? Да и не забываем про передачу секретных данных средствами обычного почтовика!! По сути это как через почтовый ящик на мылору пересылать переписку президента!!!

а срачик-то знатный

Нутак - считай целую страну от кормушки отлучат!!! А возможно - даже и не одну!!!

I wasn't going to vote originally but everyone I know kept shit talking me for not exercising my right so I went out and voted Trump and now everyone is still mad at me.

bruh

I didn't know who to vote for, since I thought they both were clowny candidates, but much much later into the elections, I was running out of choices and did the same thing. To be honest, I don't know if what I did was good or bad.

All I can hope for now, is the USA to have the idea to restore a friendly relationship with Russia. I've been hoping for a day that Russia and US can end rivalry tensions and work together. Not really sure if he will make it happen, but I'm hoping for a miracle.

I'll be honest, I don't know jack shit about politics. But every time I met someone who was quick to unfriend people, to ostracize them, to label others and to look at the world with a very Us vs Them mentality, 99% of the time they were also in favor of Hillary.

umpossible, they are the only tolerant ones. They assure me of this almost daily.

So let me get this straight; you don't have the wherewithal as to how our system works, how it impacts the citizens and yet you throw your vote towards a literal shitshow of a party, all because you couldn't get Hillary supporters off your case? A case that involved a potentially catastrophic leadership with a ripple effect we can probably never recover from? Am I reading that correctly? Am I understanding that you didn't bother to investigate the issues people were having over this candidate vs. the other? That you failed to realize the bigger picture being painted by the big red elephant with a bleached squirrel stapled onto its head?

I'ma ask you in the nicest way possible:
Have you lost your fucking mind?

This shit ain't a joke. An unhinged reality TV star is getting access to nuclear FUCKING codes. Minority communities, one of them I'm a part of thanks to my skin palette, are also legitimately terrified over what this orange-faced knucklefuck can impose on us, and the people who relate to him streamlining their bigotry. You just straight up tossed me under the bus by proxy; and I don't even know you. I never even met you. I don't recall ever antagonizing anybody I've met or even needing to do so. This was the biggest no-brainer election we've all had to live through and it somehow still managed to be fucked, long dick style.

I get it. Some of you assholes are tired of the SJW tirade we've all been having to endure since that black guy took office, but that's not a valid reason to secure an already broken system, then potentially make it even MORE broken in hopes that it would tone down the rhetoric that oh so ruins your fun. This is the same asshat who avoided paying a massive amount of taxes that could've improved our education and infrastructure. The same asshat who has no problem shipping much of his portion of the jobs overseas; into areas that violate basic workers rights because fuck the workers amirite?

We Millennials are said to have outnumbered the previous generation. We Millennials are supposedly a bit more educated(read: A LOT MORE) than the previous generation. So explain to me the thinking process behind these young adults wanting to toss their votes towards a complete sociopath. To buck the system right? Right?

Ha
Haha
I fucking hate you people.
Now I get to live in constant fear because I'm already stuck living in a Red State.
A very, very unapologetically gleeful deep Red State.

Chill. I didn't actually vote.

And that makes it any better... how?
And second, you're not in the position of telling me how to handle my temperament right now, bruh.
I don't have the luxury of burying my head in the sand and pretending everything's peaches and cream.

I wish you good luck out there. It's the End Times.

"It's the End Times"

That you help furthered also. Thanks

No I didn't what are you talking about.

By voting for Trump/Mike Pence

Chill. I didn't actually vote.

So why are you saying you did?

To see if my fellow FA folk believed in democracy and freedom or not.

Y'all have more than shown your true colors at this point tbqh.

>To see if my fellow FA folk believed in democracy and freedom or not.

Neither my ancestors nor the leaders of the Civil Rights movement die fighting just so my black ass can sit this one out. So I don't know how the hell you think shitposting about voting-sorry-not-voting is a viable method of gauging furry turnout when plenty of us have already been visibly FREAKING THE FUCK OUT.

It's viable because you make it so damn easy.

You lost. It's over.

Boy, i served my time in the miltary to keep kids like you safe at night, humble yourself before you wreck yourself

You're talking to a 1A8.

Quit acting like serving in the military gives you he right to act like a jackass in public. You make the rest of us look bad.

If "having a different opinion than yours and calling out your bullshit" = being a jackass, then you need to find a safe space zone from everyone, BRUH, because there are tons of people (I mean jackasses) that have different opinions out there.

People don't agree with your shit-post here, end of story. If anything, you make veterans/military people look bad. Now chill

I'm not the one who is #literallyshaking because Trump got elected.

Naw, you're just shit-posting because you have too much free time at hand, BRUH

>Quit acting like serving in the military gives you he right to act like a jackass in public.

Practice what you preach. Because you don't get to flip that script.
You forfeited that tactic the moment you decided not to vote.

Vet or not, you don't deserve to play off my dilemma for a cheap laugh when you could've help make a difference in the polls.
That just makes you an asshole, and leads right back to my first response.

#fuckouttahere

Calm down it's not like we elected literally Hitler.

We didn't. Instead, we elected Hitler's congregation.

there WAS a 3rd party you know, you could have voted them lol

I could have. Maybe.

WE DID IT REDDIT

Yeah, Hillary is basically the "kick puppies" brand of evil, so I voted Trump.

kick puppies, worship satan, eat effigies of human beings (At least I hope that was an effigy), drink mixtures of blood/breastmilk/semen.

Like, not just Evil. Chaotic evil. Like, proper fucking chaotic evil.

Of course, you voted for a racist sexist biggot!

You're gosh darn tootin right I did.

at elast you are honest about being a racist and sexist, you sicken me.

I never said I was.

You are because you voted for trump and knew he was one. That means you think those qualities are okey which means you are one.

Wether you like it or not.

Oh dear. I'm sorry but that's just not how reality works.

Seek help

Sorry but that is how it is, if you associate with a sexist or racist, you are one because you find those traits acceptable and that makes you one. You are a racist and sexist, own up to it.

https://youtu.be/vRquPxdHNGE

He does not get the irony. Just look at Slick Willy if you are looking for a sexual predator.

Woah woah woah, why is now he a racist and sexist, just because he voted for someone who is a racist sexist? that doesn't makes any sense. >.> please explain how that would make sense?

If you vote for such a person it means you find those qualities acceptable, that makes you one.

If you find them unacceptable you don't vote for such a person.

but this has nothing to do with politics. you vote for his political terms, not his personality...

Those are political positions that he has taken.

well what would he be if he voted for the other one?

Depends on many factors, considering nothing has really come up that is one of those qualities that "Associate with and you are it" he'd be nothing

I'm just saying how you judge people, i can say for sure you're 100% a child molester because you like to listen to music from Michael Jackson. And by listening to his music, you supported him and his actions and be okay with his things he did.

okay, now back to reality: what i said was all bullshit and not true, but this is how you just acted. hating over the choice of a complete stranger to you, calling him things he isn't, just because made a choice he may didn't even liked itself. so please be nice.
i'm out.

I'm just saying how you judge people, i can say for sure you're 100% a child molester because you like to listen to music from Michael Jackson.
I don't, I hate his music.

okay, now back to reality:
Indeed, realiuty is not ALL traits are distributive, racism and sexism however are.

what i said was all bullshit and not true, but this is how you just acted. hating over the choice of a complete stranger to you, calling him things he isn't
Incorrect, he IS a racist and a sexist, only those peopel would vote for a sexist and racist. If you think racism and sexism is unacceptable you do not vote for trump. If you vote for trump you think those are acceptable, which makes you one of them.

Sexist,, racist, sexist, racist. Buzzword buzzword buzzword. You sound no different than an SJW with victim complex. Please, sit down and realize that you are just making yourself look like an asshole. Someone doesn't have to completely agree with someone to be for them.

And I'm sorry to say, but fox_XD's example went so far over your head, I'm being to question where your logic comes from. Because his example is pretty damn clear.

That's because he is the textbook definition of an SJW with a victim complex.

How cute :) I am not a SJW as I hate them with a burning passion, Trump however is, DEMOSNTRABLY a sexist and a racist

You DO realize Michael Jackson was framed, mostly by Sony Music/BMG because of the catalogs he held the copyrights to... right?

You know, it is very prejudice of you to just label everyone who voted for trump as a racist, sexist, but I have yet to see much of those from him, or the majority of people voting for him. But hey, if you are so worried about that, go to a Politically correct country where you can hide in a safe space.

but I have yet to see much of those from him,
Really? How about the clip where he denegrades women? Or the mexican stuff?

But hey, if you are so worried about that, go to a Politically correct country where you can hide in a safe space.
Nice going where I didn't, idiot.

Just because he said a few things 12 years ago, doesn't make him a sexist. A pervert maybe, but it was something said in private lol. And you mean his talk about illegal mexicans who COULD BE rapists and murderers? Or are you following the media's crap saying that he said "all mexicans were rapists and murderers." because I watched him give that speech, and it was hardly racist lol. The mexican cartel is a thing, and our poor border control lets the bad in just as much as the good.

Just to let you know as well, every legal mexican I have spoken with who works hard and contributes to their country are on his side. So racist! There is also his discussions about helping the crime filled ghettos that often times is black communities. Because admitting there is a problem is racist right?

As a side note, thank's for calling me an idiot :3 It really helps your arguments.

Just because he said a few things 12 years ago, doesn't make him a sexist. A pervert maybe, but it was something said in private lol. And you mean his talk about illegal mexicans who COULD BE rapists and murderers? Or are you following the media's crap saying that he said "all mexicans were rapists and murderers." because I watched him give that speech, and it was hardly racist lol. The mexican cartel is a thing, and our poor border control lets the bad in just as much as the good.

Just to let you know as well, every legal mexican I have spoken with who works hard and contributes to their country are on his side. So racist! There is also his discussions about helping the crime filled ghettos that often times is black communities. Because admitting there is a problem is racist right?

As a side note, thank's for calling me an idiot :3 It really helps your arguments.

You know what though, I am not going to really try to reply anymore after this, you really seem like the kind of person who even if I completely proved you wrong, you would find some reply to try to validate yourself.

Say what ever you want, the election is over XD

By the same definition voting for Clinton would also be fucking unacceptable.

even all the money in the world couldnt buy Hillary a presidency

Guess the Silent Majority isn't so silent anymore and all the slanted news coverage in the world can't buy an election. And people call this a failure of Democracy?

And it disproved the trend, if I recall Trump spent LESS on his campaign

all that cash for nothing.

Except if the 'majority' truly chose, Clinton would be president.

She has some 200,340 more popular votes.

Trump won because of the electoral college being 'winner take all' in most states.

Considering that the near entirety of democratic strongholds are voting districts almost always made up of large cities with high minority populations. You're basically saying that cities should have absolute control of the nation as a whole and that didn't fly back in the Founding Father days for a reason.

No ... I'm pointing out the strangeness of your comment.

The 'Silent Majority' didn't win. Clinton got more US citizens, as a whole, to vote for her. It's strange to hear someone say 'majority' when the popular votes for Trump were in the minority.

It was only the fact that Trump got the EC that he won.

If the EC was not winner take all in most states, Trump would have been behind. Neither, though, would have won in that case; neither reached 50% of the popular vote (and thus, 50% of the EC).

Then we'd be watching the election turmoil in the House of Representatives.

I think you're confusing the term "Silent Majority" with the literal definition of "Majority". But that's okay, this last day has shown that the majority of furs if not the world have a very poor grasp about the American Government itself and how it works.

I love when these idiots try to come at people who swore oaths to the Constitution like we didn't fucking read it to understand just what it is we're swearing to defend.

"It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see how it plays out for them."

<3 Baseketball.

OHHH SNAP!

+1

I feel like there's a good quote from Babylon 5 for this:

"How will this end?"

"IN FIRE."

I don't think people understand the seriousness of this election. People have the potential to lose their retirements, get dropped from their healthcare, lose social security, and more. Yeah it would take a long time to do those things but it's the fact that it's possible that scares me. :/ good luck my Americans, stay safe out there and be kind to people

It was nice knowing you, America.

It's 1990 again
We've had a Clinton run for president, BTTF2 predicted both the cubs winning and an evil millionaire controlling the US, virtual reality has come back in full swing and Australia has Pauline Hanson back up in power as a politician.

BTTF2 had it as an evil millionaire with a bad hairpiece, even.

Vaultc is happy for start the construction of the vault the home for the survivor of à nuclear winter

Rip The world

I'm genuinely worried what's gonna happen to us. If Mike Pence is for conversion-therapy, who knows what'll happen to furries.

Nothing?

You'd have to convince the Supreme Court (cause it would rise to Supreme Court Level) that involuntary mental treatment of individuals is acceptable. if you could even get it past Congress.

Which ... was ruled to NOT be a thing quite a while back.

Seriously; the bar to involuntarily commit someone for mental treatment is quite high.

BIG Libertarian push back in the 70s Court.

Thank you.

America is a continent, not just a country.

i think it's incontinent really, but that's just me

and if we're really going to split hairs, america is not a continent, america is two continents. north and south america. united states of america is country

Все так вопят, что трамп - дерьмо, как будто клинтон лучше. Спонсированная саудовской Аравией (где женщины считаюься чуть ли не за скот), которая могла бы и до третьей мировой. Но нет, это трамп говно, а не она.

Вот вот! Все вообще игнорируют это. Типа "Клинтон за равенство", в то время как она в кровати с саудами)

Так рада что Трамп все же выбрался

Could use more spray tan... :/

TRUMP 2016 BABY!

America has a bad president. America has survived bad presidents.

The good presidents are the ones who had people so pissed at them they assassinated them.

>good presidents
So, you're saying we'll have to suffer through Trump?

Care to show something he's done wrong in office?

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Turd Sandwich

Woohooo!

Relax liberals. It's not the end of the world.

Hillary would have started World War 3 just to prove she could.

She's probably throwing a tantrum right now, insulting everyone who got her this far, and kicking puppies just for the hell of it.

When she gets woken up from her nap yes

Silly furry. Evil never sleeps.

Evil sleeps to haunt the dreams of those that sleepp? yes.. my logic is never flawed! Sleep for the weak though!

Well, you're screwed

The world is doomed.....

Da, this will work

Today, America has gotten what it deserved. Spent decades sitting back, letting the corporations buy more and more of their country, and now Trump is president. How much more fitting could this have been?

I dont think that would be able to happen. When trump became the nominee, a large portion of corperations fled from the republican. I never understood why, but i think its because trump would likely kick their asses. what i said was a guess.

In part, I think it's due to his stance on free trade and 'getting companies to return to the US'.

Despite his lower corporate tax rate plan, there's still the high costs of relocation, hiring and payroll relative to other countries that Trump would have to address.

And that ... is a touchy subject with corporations.

Well if he doesnt build a wall between mexico and the US, at least he built a wall between corporations and politics unintentionally

No, just corporations and him.

He doesn't have the power to levy tariffs, which would be required. That lies with Congress; Article 1, Section 8.

And you KNOW the Corporations will be working hard behind the scenes to convince Senators and Representatives to NOT pursue such a course.

They can try. It is not garenteed.

No... but, given the corruption that flows through Washington...

I look at history and wonder just how many things will go through the back door when people are busy watching the windows.

Jeb Bush had and spent the most money during the primaries and he only got 4 delegates and couldn't even get people to clap for him. Money doesn't buy everything.

LOCK HER UP!
LOCK HER UP!
LOCK HER UP!

Still funny.

I kinda saw this coming. Hillary clinton wasted time and resources on trying to put trump in a bad possition. Trump on the other hand focused on gaining votes and reuniting the republican party as well as gaining milenial votes. If bernie sticked around for the election instead of hillary, it would have been a close fight. But hillary's campagin tactic proved she was all sword and no sheild.

Build that wall!!

I am literally queasy here....I can't believe this.

TEN FEET TALLER

Make it 20 for shit and giggles

Thank God. It's over and Hilary can go retire to her shapeshifting lizard cave.

She'll probably try again in 4 years, then again and again and again.

She'll be dead by then.

You'd be surprised how long people can live just to spite others.

This is gonna be either an exciting....or fearful four years

Why would it be either one or the other, when it can be both ?

The evil has been defeated!!

That corrupt hag didn't even have the damn maturity to come out to her supporters and concede the race. She cowered in her hole and pushed one of her minions out to cover for her. She left her supporters cold and wet in the rain because that is all she is, a COWARD!

You expect anyone to take you seriously when you gloat like that? The real evil is you and your ilk. It always has been. You may think you've won, but you haven't. We will fight you. Every step of the way, we will fight you, and we will not allow you to tear down this country for whatever sick, racist, xenophobic agenda you have planned.

Here's something for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHpSfkVI9D0