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*From the podium at the front of the room*
Rather than writing a long journal, I thought I'd utilize this piccie to discuss some thoughts I've had about writing, publishing, and creativity through the use of the pen / keyboard.
While off on my "Journey of Discovery" with my wife and son, I had the chance to watch the theatrical version of the uber popular book, Twilight. Mind you, as we all know, movies are typically MILES away from being of the same caliber as their bound counter-parts. However, to be successful, they DO have to be true to their initial concept.
This in mind, I watched the movie with an open mind and found myself scratching my head at multiple times regarding the "vampire" characters and overall plot. Maybe I'm just too traditional, but I had a hard time understanding how sunlight made a vampire "glisten beautifully" rather than burn. I did appreciate the "Vegan" twist they gave the docile vampires of the region. However, in the end, I was quite surprised how a cute, love story like this really could merit more than one book.
So why I am citing "Twilight?" Well, when I attempted to get published back in January, I actually did so after some research in which a grand piece of advice actually came from Stephenie Meyer, who is the author of Twilight. Although, for some reason, the article I found seems to no longer exist, I can paraphrase what it said.
Stephenie was a simple mother who basically went through the motions every day of getting her kids ready for school. Then, one night, she had a dream where a vampire and a girl were in the forest talking. When she awoke, she just knew she had to write it down. So, after getting the kiddos ready, she went to work on writing what is most certainly the epic scene depicted in the movie where the lead, female character admits to the hunky vampire that she knows what he is.
She went on to mention how she wrote at the book for quite some time while consulting a friend for advice. The friend was very excited about the book and told her to get it published. So, she utilized a resource, Writer's Market, and fired off query letters in the hopes of succeeding in acquiring a Literary Agent. Despite rejections, she was delighted to get a positive response from the prominent agency, Writer's House, and the rest, well, is history.
Utilizing her story, as well as tales from other writers, I went into Writer's Market and dredged out the Literary Agents who dabbled in my style of work. Sadly, though, no happily-ever-after just yet.
This response made me think, "What am I doing wrong?" Thanks to my good friend,
nishi, I discovered that a core reason for my lack of success in my first attempt was a result of trying to present a story with way too much depth. I brought this information to my wife who further went on to note that, overall, my style of work is really not quite "mainstream." This is to say that my writing talents are best appreciated by a particular, niche market within an age group than as a grand whole like Stephenie Meyer's "Twilight" and J.K. Rowling's "Harry Potter."
So, what makes up the difference between a writer who can fabricate mainstream works and one who may not neccessarily be able to do so? I believe it comes down to how much the writer is able to deliver work that meets the needs of society / pop culture. Being who I am, and growing up miles outcast from this group, it comes as little surprise to me that my style would not appeal to the mainstream as a whole.
This is where, I feel, Twilight itself comes back into play. Despite the vampires not being, well, traditional vampires, the series works as a result of meeting a current need in mainstream, pop culture. It comes off as a love story with a light drizzling of fantasy for flavor. Nothing too deep, but just enough to draw people in who, otherwise, might shy away from the fantasy realm that has traditionally been labelled as "geeky," or "childish."
In the end, though, writing, art, and music all come down to a special formula of being in the right place, at the right time, with the right people. If you should just happen to do something when an influential agent is around, and in the mood for it, you have a good chance of making it. It is for this reason that a writer's, or anyone in the creative field, mental perspective is to try, try, and try again. You just never know when, like the lottery, you will get everything to line up just right and take that all-important step from being just another dabbler of the arts and become someone who can inspire and positively influence others.
Any questions?
*Waves out from the podium*
Rather than writing a long journal, I thought I'd utilize this piccie to discuss some thoughts I've had about writing, publishing, and creativity through the use of the pen / keyboard.
While off on my "Journey of Discovery" with my wife and son, I had the chance to watch the theatrical version of the uber popular book, Twilight. Mind you, as we all know, movies are typically MILES away from being of the same caliber as their bound counter-parts. However, to be successful, they DO have to be true to their initial concept.
This in mind, I watched the movie with an open mind and found myself scratching my head at multiple times regarding the "vampire" characters and overall plot. Maybe I'm just too traditional, but I had a hard time understanding how sunlight made a vampire "glisten beautifully" rather than burn. I did appreciate the "Vegan" twist they gave the docile vampires of the region. However, in the end, I was quite surprised how a cute, love story like this really could merit more than one book.
So why I am citing "Twilight?" Well, when I attempted to get published back in January, I actually did so after some research in which a grand piece of advice actually came from Stephenie Meyer, who is the author of Twilight. Although, for some reason, the article I found seems to no longer exist, I can paraphrase what it said.
Stephenie was a simple mother who basically went through the motions every day of getting her kids ready for school. Then, one night, she had a dream where a vampire and a girl were in the forest talking. When she awoke, she just knew she had to write it down. So, after getting the kiddos ready, she went to work on writing what is most certainly the epic scene depicted in the movie where the lead, female character admits to the hunky vampire that she knows what he is.
She went on to mention how she wrote at the book for quite some time while consulting a friend for advice. The friend was very excited about the book and told her to get it published. So, she utilized a resource, Writer's Market, and fired off query letters in the hopes of succeeding in acquiring a Literary Agent. Despite rejections, she was delighted to get a positive response from the prominent agency, Writer's House, and the rest, well, is history.
Utilizing her story, as well as tales from other writers, I went into Writer's Market and dredged out the Literary Agents who dabbled in my style of work. Sadly, though, no happily-ever-after just yet.
This response made me think, "What am I doing wrong?" Thanks to my good friend,
nishi, I discovered that a core reason for my lack of success in my first attempt was a result of trying to present a story with way too much depth. I brought this information to my wife who further went on to note that, overall, my style of work is really not quite "mainstream." This is to say that my writing talents are best appreciated by a particular, niche market within an age group than as a grand whole like Stephenie Meyer's "Twilight" and J.K. Rowling's "Harry Potter."So, what makes up the difference between a writer who can fabricate mainstream works and one who may not neccessarily be able to do so? I believe it comes down to how much the writer is able to deliver work that meets the needs of society / pop culture. Being who I am, and growing up miles outcast from this group, it comes as little surprise to me that my style would not appeal to the mainstream as a whole.
This is where, I feel, Twilight itself comes back into play. Despite the vampires not being, well, traditional vampires, the series works as a result of meeting a current need in mainstream, pop culture. It comes off as a love story with a light drizzling of fantasy for flavor. Nothing too deep, but just enough to draw people in who, otherwise, might shy away from the fantasy realm that has traditionally been labelled as "geeky," or "childish."
In the end, though, writing, art, and music all come down to a special formula of being in the right place, at the right time, with the right people. If you should just happen to do something when an influential agent is around, and in the mood for it, you have a good chance of making it. It is for this reason that a writer's, or anyone in the creative field, mental perspective is to try, try, and try again. You just never know when, like the lottery, you will get everything to line up just right and take that all-important step from being just another dabbler of the arts and become someone who can inspire and positively influence others.
Any questions?
*Waves out from the podium*
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Hmm... questions? :3 I'm not sure! I know I have commentary though. 8D
Well first off, I like the outfit switch in your picture. :3 It looks even neater with more color. And when I saw twilight was in your thought bubble, I couldn't contain my laughter. X3 I remembered us talking about it at different times before and think back to it sometimes myself. (I can't remember what she was originally going to call it before it was switched to Twilight.) But ah, this was fun to read.
You really did learn a lot about yourself in your time here - and probably learned a lot about other people, publishing, fellow writers, and all that good stuff we've also gone over too. (:
I'm still glad you went out there are tried to get your stuff published! And apparently, through the same group that she did? How neat! Hehe. Maybe kinda like the last thing you mention, when you come to the right people at the right time, things'll work out better. :3 It's still important to take chances! Last week I threw some of my school prints in some... competiion? thing? I don't know what it was, but just because I was in that class on that day, I was advised to enter. I don't think my art was picked, but I was really happy that I finally made some attempt for something that could end in a scholarship or something new. :3 We both made our attempts, and we can probably try again and do even better next time. Or well, that's the hope!
It was also the right place and time that you and I found each other too! It's crazy how things can happen, and how they happen without intention. So that's why I'll also believe in there being plenty of possibility ahead! :3 Good times!
Oh, and well, I might not know too much about Further Realms, but I think that's a good start for a less-complex piece of work! At least, since it's still early in creation, and doesn't seem to have an intense story about the world and people all in it, maybe it could develop into something too! Like The City of Solitude or Project Ezil. :3 ...Though if I'm wrong and it's an extension of either of those, sorry. 8D Hehe, I might get confused easy. Either way, keep working on what you enjoy! Published or not, at least we'll have fun with it and can exchange ideas about it! ;P
Well first off, I like the outfit switch in your picture. :3 It looks even neater with more color. And when I saw twilight was in your thought bubble, I couldn't contain my laughter. X3 I remembered us talking about it at different times before and think back to it sometimes myself. (I can't remember what she was originally going to call it before it was switched to Twilight.) But ah, this was fun to read.
You really did learn a lot about yourself in your time here - and probably learned a lot about other people, publishing, fellow writers, and all that good stuff we've also gone over too. (:
I'm still glad you went out there are tried to get your stuff published! And apparently, through the same group that she did? How neat! Hehe. Maybe kinda like the last thing you mention, when you come to the right people at the right time, things'll work out better. :3 It's still important to take chances! Last week I threw some of my school prints in some... competiion? thing? I don't know what it was, but just because I was in that class on that day, I was advised to enter. I don't think my art was picked, but I was really happy that I finally made some attempt for something that could end in a scholarship or something new. :3 We both made our attempts, and we can probably try again and do even better next time. Or well, that's the hope!
It was also the right place and time that you and I found each other too! It's crazy how things can happen, and how they happen without intention. So that's why I'll also believe in there being plenty of possibility ahead! :3 Good times!
Oh, and well, I might not know too much about Further Realms, but I think that's a good start for a less-complex piece of work! At least, since it's still early in creation, and doesn't seem to have an intense story about the world and people all in it, maybe it could develop into something too! Like The City of Solitude or Project Ezil. :3 ...Though if I'm wrong and it's an extension of either of those, sorry. 8D Hehe, I might get confused easy. Either way, keep working on what you enjoy! Published or not, at least we'll have fun with it and can exchange ideas about it! ;P
My thoughts exactly, Oxnard. They say that "All things happen for a reason." Quite honestly, I can't help but to really go with this phrase in how, I feel, I met you when I REALLY needed someone of your creative talents to get me on track to a brighter future. It's like how Obi-Wan, or my professors in college, got me started in writing. However, in the end, you became my Yoda in pointing out how there is much more to being a good writer, artist, etc. than simply throwing stuff down on paper. :)
Yeah, Ms. Meyer did pretty much what every writer does. Or, well, what every writer should do if they HONESTLY want published. You'd think you should directly send your book to a publisher. However, publishers don't roll that way. Just like sports athletes, or actors, you need an Agent who has influence in a particular genre to rush into the publisher's door and say, "I'd stake my reputation on this being the next Harry Potter!" Otherwise, your work and effort is good for nothing more than the recycling bin.
On an artistic note, I am so, very happy to hear that you entered your work into a contest. I will forever contend that you have a most brilliant mind when it comes to character design and scene setting. As you noted in my last journal about your "Furry Fetishes" collage, it is a very popular piece of work. I believe it really comes down to how you are able to tune into pop-culture, or fandoms, in a way that seems more original and creative than the initial, source material it came from. The best analogy I can give of what I'm saying here is to say you do via imagery what "Robot Chicken" does with video. You make something already great even better. It's why I find myself fav'ing most of your pieces. Very relatable and fun to say as I'm viewing it, "How very true. Why didn't I think of that?"
Right now, I'm still trying to work out "Project: Ezil." Almost at Page 100 and feeling very happy with it. Gabby-Gabby-Gaboo!
As for "Further Realms," I am glad you and others inspired me into doing it. I intend to have NO DEPTH with it at all. Well, with the exception of my own, personal campaign I'm going to write for "Special Project #4." Everything else is written as if you are taking in a history book or encyclopedia. The objective, create a world for people that they are free to do what they please within it. Good times!
Yeah, Ms. Meyer did pretty much what every writer does. Or, well, what every writer should do if they HONESTLY want published. You'd think you should directly send your book to a publisher. However, publishers don't roll that way. Just like sports athletes, or actors, you need an Agent who has influence in a particular genre to rush into the publisher's door and say, "I'd stake my reputation on this being the next Harry Potter!" Otherwise, your work and effort is good for nothing more than the recycling bin.
On an artistic note, I am so, very happy to hear that you entered your work into a contest. I will forever contend that you have a most brilliant mind when it comes to character design and scene setting. As you noted in my last journal about your "Furry Fetishes" collage, it is a very popular piece of work. I believe it really comes down to how you are able to tune into pop-culture, or fandoms, in a way that seems more original and creative than the initial, source material it came from. The best analogy I can give of what I'm saying here is to say you do via imagery what "Robot Chicken" does with video. You make something already great even better. It's why I find myself fav'ing most of your pieces. Very relatable and fun to say as I'm viewing it, "How very true. Why didn't I think of that?"
Right now, I'm still trying to work out "Project: Ezil." Almost at Page 100 and feeling very happy with it. Gabby-Gabby-Gaboo!
As for "Further Realms," I am glad you and others inspired me into doing it. I intend to have NO DEPTH with it at all. Well, with the exception of my own, personal campaign I'm going to write for "Special Project #4." Everything else is written as if you are taking in a history book or encyclopedia. The objective, create a world for people that they are free to do what they please within it. Good times!
This is where, I feel, Twilight itself comes back into play. Despite the vampires not being, well, traditional vampires, the series works as a result of meeting a current need in mainstream, pop culture. It comes off as a love story with a light drizzling of fantasy for flavor. Nothing too deep, but just enough to draw people in who, otherwise, might shy away from the fantasy realm that has traditionally been labelled as "geeky," or "childish."
It is also worth noting that vampires have been the big trend in the steadily growing "paranormal romance" genre for years, and that Stephanie Meyers is a great big hack.. BUT... she does have "the gotta". Stephen King wrote once that the only essential talent of a fiction writer is the gotta. That is, the reader engages with the story to the point where he or she's gotta find out what happens to the writer's made-up people, and will set aside everything inessential in her real life in order to get to the last page.
Having the gotta doesn't make you a literary genius, it just means it's hard for people to put your books down. Conversely, there exist writers who are talented with exposition, dialogue, theme, etc. (I don't think Meyer scores a lot of points on those fronts) but whose works are unmarketable because they just don't have the gotta. The books are the literary equivalent of Twinkies; not "OMG THE WORST THING EVER", but not something you should eat all the time.
I am confident that when you can find the essential "the gotta" you will be able to pen something that doesn't lean or purple, banal prose, with messed up power dynamics in a creepy relationship, unlike your example.
It is also worth noting that vampires have been the big trend in the steadily growing "paranormal romance" genre for years, and that Stephanie Meyers is a great big hack.. BUT... she does have "the gotta". Stephen King wrote once that the only essential talent of a fiction writer is the gotta. That is, the reader engages with the story to the point where he or she's gotta find out what happens to the writer's made-up people, and will set aside everything inessential in her real life in order to get to the last page.
Having the gotta doesn't make you a literary genius, it just means it's hard for people to put your books down. Conversely, there exist writers who are talented with exposition, dialogue, theme, etc. (I don't think Meyer scores a lot of points on those fronts) but whose works are unmarketable because they just don't have the gotta. The books are the literary equivalent of Twinkies; not "OMG THE WORST THING EVER", but not something you should eat all the time.
I am confident that when you can find the essential "the gotta" you will be able to pen something that doesn't lean or purple, banal prose, with messed up power dynamics in a creepy relationship, unlike your example.
Wow, Toroth, you put what I said into far more elequent terms than even I could've ever put them into. Ever since finding you on here, I knew there was a special vibe about you that made me want to get to know you more. Your insight and cleverness is most inspiring!
As for your points, I do have a HUGE "gotta" problem. First of all, none of my RL friends have any true interest in reading my work. As they've put it, "It's just not their type of thing." I've brought aspects of my core projects here to FA and, for the most part, have seemingly come across the same issue. I get told lots that "I am a really good writer who should definately try to get published." Though, back to the start of this statement, my "gotta" problem just never seems to go away.
On a positive note, insightful folks like you and Nishi have helped me TREMENDOUSLY in understanding this issue and have given me ideas for "experiments" to see if I can find a way around my "gotta" issue. It is my hope to, one day, write a work that will be a hardcore, must read. Once I have that, I am certain I can gain interest in my other works simply by default. Time will tell, though.
In the meantime, though, I still have my lovely job hunt to rely on, too. So, as the saying goes, "There's always 'Plan B'." :)
As for your points, I do have a HUGE "gotta" problem. First of all, none of my RL friends have any true interest in reading my work. As they've put it, "It's just not their type of thing." I've brought aspects of my core projects here to FA and, for the most part, have seemingly come across the same issue. I get told lots that "I am a really good writer who should definately try to get published." Though, back to the start of this statement, my "gotta" problem just never seems to go away.
On a positive note, insightful folks like you and Nishi have helped me TREMENDOUSLY in understanding this issue and have given me ideas for "experiments" to see if I can find a way around my "gotta" issue. It is my hope to, one day, write a work that will be a hardcore, must read. Once I have that, I am certain I can gain interest in my other works simply by default. Time will tell, though.
In the meantime, though, I still have my lovely job hunt to rely on, too. So, as the saying goes, "There's always 'Plan B'." :)
Oh my flipping burgers. This is definitely the most accurate description I've ever seen on "Twilight" my dear.
Anyway, I read the entire thing, it's pretty much like some Mary Sue wrote some bad fanfiction and then someone decided to publish it.
It's good that you only read the first. Ha ha ha ha ha. You are just amazing.
Anyway, I read the entire thing, it's pretty much like some Mary Sue wrote some bad fanfiction and then someone decided to publish it.
It's good that you only read the first. Ha ha ha ha ha. You are just amazing.
Thanks. I wrote this after being around some folks who were quite into the series and also shortly after I had received all my rejection letters back from my first publication attempt.
Since then, I have come to understand, much like job searching, book publication is also quite a subjective endeavor. Ms. Meyer just happened to write just what someone wanted to read at just the right moment in time to get herself noticed. Now, thanks to her and others, society is seemingly in a huge, vampire craze.
If I should ever be acknowledged more for my work, I'd hope that I wouldn't be part of sparking an over-saturation effect. I've always been bothered by how Hollywood seems to ride a concept to death and, for as much as I love what I write, I'd feel sad knowing people might tire of my characters and story just because there's too much like it out there. :)
Since then, I have come to understand, much like job searching, book publication is also quite a subjective endeavor. Ms. Meyer just happened to write just what someone wanted to read at just the right moment in time to get herself noticed. Now, thanks to her and others, society is seemingly in a huge, vampire craze.
If I should ever be acknowledged more for my work, I'd hope that I wouldn't be part of sparking an over-saturation effect. I've always been bothered by how Hollywood seems to ride a concept to death and, for as much as I love what I write, I'd feel sad knowing people might tire of my characters and story just because there's too much like it out there. :)
I think the best thing to do is to have your own little niche market.
You know. Have your own minor fame like people like Brian Jacques and the like.
I've been curious, though! What sort of stories have you been trying to get published? What sort of market are you attempting to cater to? Furry? Non-furry? Young, old, middle-aged? As great as it would be to make a book that appeals to all generations, it's a lot easier to get fans in a sort of niche environment.
And sometimes there's just the risk of a book not even selling at all.
Well, Yosh-E, regardless of what happens, I wish you luck. I _AM_ going to introduce you to sofawolf.com if you are planning on catering to the furry market. A good first step, huh? :]
You know. Have your own minor fame like people like Brian Jacques and the like.
I've been curious, though! What sort of stories have you been trying to get published? What sort of market are you attempting to cater to? Furry? Non-furry? Young, old, middle-aged? As great as it would be to make a book that appeals to all generations, it's a lot easier to get fans in a sort of niche environment.
And sometimes there's just the risk of a book not even selling at all.
Well, Yosh-E, regardless of what happens, I wish you luck. I _AM_ going to introduce you to sofawolf.com if you are planning on catering to the furry market. A good first step, huh? :]
*Nods* Thanks for the thoughts and suggestions. Also, good morrow to you, too. Not often I have any company at such an early hour in the day. :)
As for my writing, I enjoy writing juvenile themed literature. My works would mostly be appealing to audiences between the ages of 8 and 12 with some of my other tales MAYBE appealing to the 13 / 14 crowd.
However, as I have been thinking, I may need to re-make my one story series into a picture book geared towards young readers (2 to 5 crowd). *Shrugs* It may just be too cutesy to fit my original audience despite the fact that, amidst the 25+ short stories, a large, super tale unfolds. :)
As for my writing, I enjoy writing juvenile themed literature. My works would mostly be appealing to audiences between the ages of 8 and 12 with some of my other tales MAYBE appealing to the 13 / 14 crowd.
However, as I have been thinking, I may need to re-make my one story series into a picture book geared towards young readers (2 to 5 crowd). *Shrugs* It may just be too cutesy to fit my original audience despite the fact that, amidst the 25+ short stories, a large, super tale unfolds. :)
Yeah. Honestly, the way it sounds, this one you'd make into a picture book, it would probably be really cool to give them the tiny books and such to read when they are that young
And then when they are reading more you could make a short storybook for when they're ready to do some real reading
Gets them familiar with the characters... you understand what I mean, right?
Maybe even make it into something they can grow up with [make the stories a bit darker or something as they age, ala Harry Potter]
And then when they are reading more you could make a short storybook for when they're ready to do some real reading
Gets them familiar with the characters... you understand what I mean, right?
Maybe even make it into something they can grow up with [make the stories a bit darker or something as they age, ala Harry Potter]
*Nods* Those are all great ideas. Actually, if I play my cards right, I may be able to do just that with my core series. Though, before I take that route, I need to get all my feedback from my most recent endeavor in trying to sell my haposaurs to the market at large. :)
I thank you for all of your thoughtful feedback and ideas, Heiji. Toroth has spoken very highly of you and, along with what I have gotten to see over this past week, I can easily see why. You are a very energetic and thoughtful individual who is just filled with great ideas and inspiration. :)
I thank you for all of your thoughtful feedback and ideas, Heiji. Toroth has spoken very highly of you and, along with what I have gotten to see over this past week, I can easily see why. You are a very energetic and thoughtful individual who is just filled with great ideas and inspiration. :)
Well, jeez! If you need any feedback out of me, I'll try to be as objective as possible.
Meanwhile, you're welcome! :> I didn't realize I was getting so much love. You are just making me blush, you know
Golly gee, you are just
GOSH
QUIT IT D:,!! l o l
[insert the part where I'm all super-flattered and blahblahblah]
Meanwhile, you're welcome! :> I didn't realize I was getting so much love. You are just making me blush, you know
Golly gee, you are just
GOSH
QUIT IT D:,!! l o l
[insert the part where I'm all super-flattered and blahblahblah]
It's been a pleasure getting to know you. It's meeting people like yourself that makes me glad I chose FA over DA when I decided to expand upon my creative talents beyond what little feedback I could get in RL. :)
As for feedback, I'm always open to any form of critique, thought, or suggestion regarding my work. Tis' the only way to get better, after all. :)
Should you be interested in reading anything in particular, please let me know as I have snip-its of various projects posted here on FA that I hope to have published one day. Just let me know what you like and I'll see if anything I have will suit your fancy. :)
As for feedback, I'm always open to any form of critique, thought, or suggestion regarding my work. Tis' the only way to get better, after all. :)
Should you be interested in reading anything in particular, please let me know as I have snip-its of various projects posted here on FA that I hope to have published one day. Just let me know what you like and I'll see if anything I have will suit your fancy. :)
Ah, it's my pleasure, too, darling~! ºuº <3 DeviantART is an awful website, and I actually left it. You know how it is. I've had more real feedback and more cool people here than elsewhere.
And yeah! I'll definitely check out some of your older non-fanfiction stories [nothing on you, I just don't do fanfics] and let you know what I think!
Anyway, Toroth gave me your yahoo! messenger so maybe I'll see you on there. I'm quilled_mistress :]
And yeah! I'll definitely check out some of your older non-fanfiction stories [nothing on you, I just don't do fanfics] and let you know what I think!
Anyway, Toroth gave me your yahoo! messenger so maybe I'll see you on there. I'm quilled_mistress :]
Gabby-Gabby-Gaboo! Sounds good. In that case, I shall have to look you up via YIM so I may be able to drop you a "Hello" if I should happen to be on at a similar time. :)
<LoL!> You know, it wasn't until you made that Fred Flintstone reference did I realize that my Yoshi cheer was very much like his exhuberant cry. Kazootles! :)
<LoL!> You know, it wasn't until you made that Fred Flintstone reference did I realize that my Yoshi cheer was very much like his exhuberant cry. Kazootles! :)
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