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Category Artwork (Digital) / General Furry Art
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File Size 588.9 kB
At the risk of cluttering up the artist's submission, I should point out that this is a commission and someone else's character that the artist has, hopefully, been paid to create a visual representation of. Details of the commission such as costume are usually dictated by the commissioner, not necessarily the artist. While you might find the image sexist, I don't necessarily believe that gives you the right to accost the artist over your dogmatic views of the world over a work they were paid to do.
Oh look, you just totally missed the point. And Nazis and war crimes or male overlords have very little to do with a simple drawing of a character like this. If you want air your viewpoint on such subjects, I might suggest Livejournal where you can write to your heart's content.
WOW! way to blow this one out of proportion. Look, once you research your stuff, know what you are talking about, STEP BACK.
Comparing my art to nazi's...well...Have fun with that. I don't think I will be accused of war crimes in my life time.
Here...if you want to call my art sexist, check these pieces out! I still can't believe THIS is the one you are commenting on. It cracks me up.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2235724/ <
OMG HE HAS A HOSE!! Her nipples might show! That's objectification!
http://www.furaffinity.net/full/2173966/ <
Oh no...no no this won't do. I guess I have to delete this one for sure.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2127571/ <
Yes! amazing work here-my god this one has womanly objectification fucking smeared all over it. Like...really dude? You find THIS piece insulting?
So, as others have said. Stop creating drama.
If you feel the need to stand for women's rights, please be USEFUL about it. Women still get paid lower wages on average, they get less raises, etc.
So, be useful, stop bitching.
Comparing my art to nazi's...well...Have fun with that. I don't think I will be accused of war crimes in my life time.
Here...if you want to call my art sexist, check these pieces out! I still can't believe THIS is the one you are commenting on. It cracks me up.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2235724/ <
OMG HE HAS A HOSE!! Her nipples might show! That's objectification!
http://www.furaffinity.net/full/2173966/ <
Oh no...no no this won't do. I guess I have to delete this one for sure.
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2127571/ <
Yes! amazing work here-my god this one has womanly objectification fucking smeared all over it. Like...really dude? You find THIS piece insulting?
So, as others have said. Stop creating drama.
If you feel the need to stand for women's rights, please be USEFUL about it. Women still get paid lower wages on average, they get less raises, etc.
So, be useful, stop bitching.
I UNDERSTAND it, but I can't understand how in such a terrible economy, that you can chastise any artist who is making a half decent living off of art.
More specifically, compare them to nazi's and pimps.
You, sir, (if you are, in which case, this is another case of a man putting a woman down) have no more understanding of the world than an infant.
Im not selling underaged hookers, I'm not stripping, I'm not selling myself...
I'm drawing.
You are also talking to someone who wants to open a porn store. As long as no one is getting hurt, why is it bad?
I would love to see what other non sense you feel to lay in my gallery, please, comment away!
But instead of commenting nonsense, offer something productive. There is no reason for your non-sense. You just want to cause trouble and feel justified in your cause, whatever that may be.
More specifically, compare them to nazi's and pimps.
You, sir, (if you are, in which case, this is another case of a man putting a woman down) have no more understanding of the world than an infant.
Im not selling underaged hookers, I'm not stripping, I'm not selling myself...
I'm drawing.
You are also talking to someone who wants to open a porn store. As long as no one is getting hurt, why is it bad?
I would love to see what other non sense you feel to lay in my gallery, please, comment away!
But instead of commenting nonsense, offer something productive. There is no reason for your non-sense. You just want to cause trouble and feel justified in your cause, whatever that may be.
EXCEPT WHAT THE NAZIS DID WERE FUCKING CRIMES WERE PEOPLE DIED
AND THIS CHARACTER IS JUST INNOCENT FUN
YES SHE CAN BE CONSIDERED A SEX ICON BUT WHY SO FUCKING TOUCHY ABOUT IT?
JESUS GROW THE FUCK UP
WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU SO MUCH AND IF IT DOES, WHY DONT YOU RANT ABOUT IT IN A JOURNAL OR BLOG RATHER THAN NEEDLESSLY ATTACK ARTISTS IN THEIR COMMENTS AND MAKE A POMPOUS ASSBAG OUT OF YOURSELF
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE
that's all I got to say
AND THIS CHARACTER IS JUST INNOCENT FUN
YES SHE CAN BE CONSIDERED A SEX ICON BUT WHY SO FUCKING TOUCHY ABOUT IT?
JESUS GROW THE FUCK UP
WHY DOES IT BOTHER YOU SO MUCH AND IF IT DOES, WHY DONT YOU RANT ABOUT IT IN A JOURNAL OR BLOG RATHER THAN NEEDLESSLY ATTACK ARTISTS IN THEIR COMMENTS AND MAKE A POMPOUS ASSBAG OUT OF YOURSELF
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE
that's all I got to say
I am a chick-and itemization of humans is rampant in all media. For example most television objectifies men and women. Men are always womanizers (and it's okay) and women are always the items.(but if women sleep with more men then they are sluts...hmmm) If I had drawn a male super hero clad in a tight suit with enhanced parts-might you have said the same thing?
Even better, lets talk about the objectification of the gay male. They are always pansies, they always small and infantile (or large and hairy >D ) and ESPECIALLY on this website. In television, if someone is homosexual, that is the sole basis of their character. people will joke about it, etc.
And also, half of the art i have is HIGHLY sexual displaying women in well...ya know.
But you chose one that's simply fantasy and at that, a clean piece?
It's entertainment, it's what this country is founded on.
Simply put, SEX SELLS. face it.
I find the argument silly, at best.
Even better, lets talk about the objectification of the gay male. They are always pansies, they always small and infantile (or large and hairy >D ) and ESPECIALLY on this website. In television, if someone is homosexual, that is the sole basis of their character. people will joke about it, etc.
And also, half of the art i have is HIGHLY sexual displaying women in well...ya know.
But you chose one that's simply fantasy and at that, a clean piece?
It's entertainment, it's what this country is founded on.
Simply put, SEX SELLS. face it.
I find the argument silly, at best.
You are a moron.
True equality is women being able to do what they WANT to do. If a woman LIKES wearing skimpy clothes, or being submissive, then to tell her she isn't allowed to be is being more sexist than anything else. Equality isn't about women being big, strong, warriors with a 'fuck you' attitude, no sex drive and no sensuality, its about women being allowed to be WHAT THEY WANT TO BE.
And if they WANT to be submissive, or sexy, or whatever, then its nothing to do with you.
You're so obsessed with trying to be a white knight for women that you've actually gone full circle and come out the other side where you're being more sexist than anyone else here by dictating what roles women should and shouldn't be allowed to have, and patronising girls by claiming they're 'brain washed' if they don't think exactly like you. Its almost as if you think women aren't smart enough to make their own choices on what they want, and need you to help them.
True equality is women being able to do what they WANT to do. If a woman LIKES wearing skimpy clothes, or being submissive, then to tell her she isn't allowed to be is being more sexist than anything else. Equality isn't about women being big, strong, warriors with a 'fuck you' attitude, no sex drive and no sensuality, its about women being allowed to be WHAT THEY WANT TO BE.
And if they WANT to be submissive, or sexy, or whatever, then its nothing to do with you.
You're so obsessed with trying to be a white knight for women that you've actually gone full circle and come out the other side where you're being more sexist than anyone else here by dictating what roles women should and shouldn't be allowed to have, and patronising girls by claiming they're 'brain washed' if they don't think exactly like you. Its almost as if you think women aren't smart enough to make their own choices on what they want, and need you to help them.
Since I have contact with the commissioner, Train, I can say that she's a mammal, not an avian. In fact, I'm not sure if he does have an avian character. And, in reference to your earlier refuting of the previous poster, he does pay for his commissions, as he'd ordered several pieces from my brother, over 20 of which he'd paid for last month. And you are also right when you say he should not be picking on the artist for what the commissioner asked for.
Wow, I ignored the troll after his second reply fearing you wouldn't want all of that crap cluttering up your submission. Looks like I was missing out on a lot after that. Some people's logic, or lack thereof, is almost unbelievable sometimes.
By the way, very nice work on her costume. Being a male 'overlord' who's worked predominantly for women for the past 15 years, I very much approve. The only think I wonder is if that cape might get in the way during hand to hand combat but I suppose the character's trained so that it isn't a factor.
By the way, very nice work on her costume. Being a male 'overlord' who's worked predominantly for women for the past 15 years, I very much approve. The only think I wonder is if that cape might get in the way during hand to hand combat but I suppose the character's trained so that it isn't a factor.
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